Freedom

riotgrl

JimmyV wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

Are you speaking of the Holocaust? If so, we could have helped by temporarily suspending our immigration quotas and allow German Jews to migrate to the US as the American Jews were lobbying for but our political leaders chose not to do that.

OK, but should we have remained neutral?

Based on events as they occurred, no. Was war the ONLY way to stop the Germans and Japanese?

riotgrl

This partial quote came across my FB feed this morning and I found it relevant and similar to something Cosmo said earlier.

"The sociopaths who run this country realized people work much better when given the "illusion" of freedom rather than outright slavery or an outright dictatorship. Literally the entire system that has been imposed on us by the ruling class reflects this fact. And we have been indoctrinated for many generations to accept it and be participants in it. But not only that, we are the enforcers of it."

JimmyV

riotgrl wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

Are you speaking of the Holocaust? If so, we could have helped by temporarily suspending our immigration quotas and allow German Jews to migrate to the US as the American Jews were lobbying for but our political leaders chose not to do that.

OK, but should we have remained neutral?

Based on events as they occurred, no. Was war the ONLY way to stop the Germans and Japanese?

To stop them? Yes, probably. Hitler was going to keep going as far as he could. I don't know where the Japanese would have stopped. I do think war was inevitable.

That is not to say, as you suggested earlier, that there were not things the US gov't could and should have done differently. There certainly were.

Godfather.

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josevolution

Godfather. wrote:

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I smoked a big fatty last night GF in your honor and it was so tasty and guess what the smoke came from a very good friend of mine who grows hi's own ahhh freedom it taste so good ....

ed243421

Let's hear how Ben feels about this




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Cosmo

riotgrl wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

I am no WWII scholar, but didn't Germany declare war on the US before we got involved in anything other than protecting our merchant ships from U-boats? I suppose it could be argued that they did it simply to beat us to the punch, but it sure seems like they threatened America. Now was invasion imminent? no, but their Axis partner did just attack the US.

I am no fan of war, but that seems like a threat to me.

But it can be argued that if we were ever truly neutral then even our merchant ships wouldn't have been in hostile waters. We were intent on protecting our economic interests by protecting trade with our largest economic partners (GB and France) whilst not trading with Germany at all. Couldn't that be consider provocation on the part of the US?

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Germany declard war on the United States right after the U.S. declared war on Japan. I think it might have been on December 8, 1941.
Their reasoning was that attack on U.S. Merchant ships carrying war supplies to Great Britian could now be sunk by German U-Boats as 'acts of War'. Prior to that, those attacks on merchant ships would be considered acts of Piracy. The idea was to starve, then invade/occupy Great Britian.
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Finally, the U.S. played a large role in the defeat of Germany during WWII... but, had Hitler not decided to open the Eastern Front, they would have been a more formidible force on the Western Front and possibly may have been able to repel the Allied Forces from Normandy in 1944.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.

wow really .....remember Pearl habor...what ? you think they just bombed pearl harbor cause they were bord ? or how about the sbumarines right off the california coast ? wtf do you think they had in mind ? ....a tea party

Godfather.

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Pearl Harbor is in Hawaii. When did Hawaii become a state?
The strategic idea was to cripple U.S. Naval power that had been projected into the Pacific. The goal was never to 'take over the U.S.'... it was to keep the U.S. Naval Forces from interferring with their goal of taking over China and the Soviet Union. They absolutely hated the Communists.
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Didn't you ever watch the History Channel when it was nicknamed the Hitler Channel?
If not... there are TONS of books writen about World War 2. You might want to check one out.

aerial

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

riotgrl

Cosmo wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

I am no WWII scholar, but didn't Germany declare war on the US before we got involved in anything other than protecting our merchant ships from U-boats? I suppose it could be argued that they did it simply to beat us to the punch, but it sure seems like they threatened America. Now was invasion imminent? no, but their Axis partner did just attack the US.

I am no fan of war, but that seems like a threat to me.

But it can be argued that if we were ever truly neutral then even our merchant ships wouldn't have been in hostile waters. We were intent on protecting our economic interests by protecting trade with our largest economic partners (GB and France) whilst not trading with Germany at all. Couldn't that be consider provocation on the part of the US?

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Germany declard war on the United States right after the U.S. declared war on Japan. I think it might have been on December 8, 1941.
Their reasoning was that attack on U.S. Merchant ships carrying war supplies to Great Britian could now be sunk by German U-Boats as 'acts of War'. Prior to that, those attacks on merchant ships would be considered acts of Piracy. The idea was to starve, then invade/occupy Great Britian.
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Finally, the U.S. played a large role in the defeat of Germany during WWII... but, had Hitler not decided to open the Eastern Front, they would have been a more formidible force on the Western Front and possibly may have been able to repel the Allied Forces from Normandy in 1944.

Very true. I was thinking about how the US maintained 'neutrality' from 1939 until the attack at Pearl Harbor even though we had merchant ships in hostile shipping lanes to help out the Allies which also helped us out especially after the war.

JimmyV

aerial wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

Oh boy...

What of Americans who worship a different God than did Mr. Jefferson? What of Americans who worship no God at all?

josevolution

aerial wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

who has forced you into anything ? If anything the preist of your so called God are the one's who are forcing themselves onto all those young kids they prey on ....

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

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Since you are quoting Jefferson... Read the Jeffersonian Bible.
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you're welcome.

riotgrl

aerial wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

The god of our forefathers is not the god that fundamentalists worship today. Many of our founding fathers were either not religious, Ben Franklin was a deist, or were religious in name only, i.e., regular church attendance as a function of cultural expectations, like Thomas Jefferson. The only rewriting of history occurs by those who don't understand the religious and cultural times of the founding fathers. A good book on this very subject is "Faith of the Founding Fathers" by David Holmes.

http://www.amazon.com/Faiths-Founding-Fathers-David-Holmes/dp/0195300920

He does a fantastic job of explaining how the fundamentalist religions of this era are far different than the religous beliefs of people today espcially since many of the Protestant denominations that many follow today didn't even exist during this time.

aerial

josevolution wrote:

aerial wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

who has forced you into anything ? If anything the preist of your so called God are the one's who are forcing themselves onto all those young kids they prey on ....

I do not hold those Priest as Godly....Along with the Muslims and there pedophile beliefs....
God does not praise pedophilia...

aerial

josevolution wrote:

aerial wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

who has forced you into anything ? If anything the preist of your so called God are the one's who are forcing themselves onto all those young kids they prey on ....

I do not understand how you can laugh about pedophilia.
I feel God is the reason we have been protected.... actually God , Guns and Guts......I did not add that out of respect for Godfathers request to not start a gun thread......I have a right to answers Godfathers post as I feel....not looking for condemnation...

JonnyPistachio

aerial wrote:

josevolution wrote:

aerial wrote:

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

who has forced you into anything ? If anything the preist of your so called God are the one's who are forcing themselves onto all those young kids they prey on ....

I do not understand how you can laugh about pedophilia.
I feel God is the reason we have been protected.... actually God , Guns and Guts......I did not add that out of respect for Godfathers request to not start a gun thread......I have a right to answers Godfathers post as I feel....not looking for condemnation...

I dont think he's laughing at pedophelia...
You really think the USA has been safe(er) because of God? :?
and if God is protecting us, why cant she protect the kids that are abused too? :idea: Now there's an idea!!!

aerial

riotgrl wrote:

aerial wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

" . . . and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
— II Corinthians 3:17

Without God, there is no America.

Thomas Jefferson stated in a tract in which he laid out the justifications for the American Revolution, "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Today, in the name of "equality" and "political correctness" the basic liberty to love and worship God — the God of the Holy Bible — is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God granted us.

The god of our forefathers is not the god that fundamentalists worship today. Many of our founding fathers were either not religious, Ben Franklin was a deist, or were religious in name only, i.e., regular church attendance as a function of cultural expectations, like Thomas Jefferson. The only rewriting of history occurs by those who don't understand the religious and cultural times of the founding fathers. A good book on this very subject is "Faith of the Founding Fathers" by David Holmes.

http://www.amazon.com/Faiths-Founding-Fathers-David-Holmes/dp/0195300920

He does a fantastic job of explaining how the fundamentalist religions of this era are far different than the religous beliefs of people today espcially since many of the Protestant denominations that many follow today didn't even exist during this time.

Of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, at least 51 belonged to orthodox Christian churches and expressed clear Christian convictions. These include 28 Anglicans, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Lutherans, 2 Methodists, and 2 Roman Catholics

aerial

JonnyPistachio......God is condemned in this country now....all the tolerance that is now preached does not cover Christians, have you notices? It's the new cool thing to do mock and condemn Christians...This country is turning it's back on God and there will be Hell to pay....no pun intended...

josevolution

aerial i was not laughing at Pedophilia at all but at your " All america being forced to not believe in your God "