with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.
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The Pacific, on one side, and the Atlantic, on the other. Just as the English channel saved Britain in WWII.
and you think all that ocean is a protective berrier news flash buddy...the US has the strongest Navy in the friggin world with the best technology to back it up.
Our military is too often taken for granted. It is too easy to listen to casualty numbers on the news and to become desensitized. Every fallen soldier equals a shattered family that mourns and will never be the same. We think of our freedom as a given. It is not and many have fought and died to protect and preserve it.
At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.
wow really .....remember Pearl habor...what ? you think they just bombed pearl harbor cause they were bord ? or how about the sbumarines right off the california coast ? wtf do you think they had in mind ? ....a tea party
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You know how far away Pearl Harbour is from the Californian coast? Like I said, at what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion?
with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.
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'Freedom'. Is this the freedom to buy as much shit as you want, and choose between 100 channels on the t.v?
with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.
Godfather.
was 9/11 considered an attack on our country?
i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology.. which may or may not be seen as being the sae thing as being an attack on your country. but then the question becomes can you separate a country from its ideology and does that best represent said country?
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with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.
Godfather.
was 9/11 considered an attack on our country?
i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology.. which may or may not be seen as being the sae thing as being an attack on your country. but then the question becomes can you separate a country from its ideology and does that best represent said country?
Ideology wasn't murdered that day. 3,000 people were. Yes, it was an attack on this country.
with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.
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'Freedom'. Is this the freedom to buy as much shit as you want, and choose between 100 channels on the t.v?
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i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology.. which may or may not be seen as being the sae thing as being an attack on your country. but then the question becomes can you separate a country from its ideology and does that best represent said country?
Ideology wasn't murdered that day. 3,000 people were. Yes, it was an attack on this country.
ask yourself why your country was attacked. what it purely because your country is America? or was it attacked because the enemy saw that America was representative of something? do not forget that it wasn't only americans that were killed that day.
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Our military is too often taken for granted. It is too easy to listen to casualty numbers on the news and to become desensitized. Every fallen soldier equals a shattered family that mourns and will never be the same. We think of our freedom as a given. It is not and many have fought and died to protect and preserve it.
At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.
The answer is far from never.
The Germans, after conquering Europe, would have just stopped?
The Japanese, after conquering the Pacific, would have just stopped?
The Soviets, after conquering everything, would have just stopped?
Ideology wasn't murdered that day. 3,000 people were. Yes, it was an attack on this country.
ask yourself why your country was attacked. what it purely because your country is America? or was it attacked because the enemy saw that America was representative of something? do not forget that it wasn't only americans that were killed that day.
America was attacked on 9/11 by radical madmen. There are the reasons and excuses they give - that America is the great Satan and she has polluted the holy land and so on and so forth. But I do not believe that if we were not engaged in the Middle East that we would be any less hated there by the kinds of people willing to crash airplanes into buildings in the hopes of murdering thousands of people.
I am quite aware that it was not only Americans who were killed that day, thanks.
Ideology wasn't murdered that day. 3,000 people were. Yes, it was an attack on this country.
ask yourself why your country was attacked. what it purely because your country is America? or was it attacked because the enemy saw that America was representative of something? do not forget that it wasn't only americans that were killed that day.
America was attacked on 9/11 by radical madmen. There are the reasons and excuses they give - that America is the great Satan and she has polluted the holy land and so on and so forth. But I do not believe that if we were not engaged in the Middle East that we would be any less hated there by the kinds of people willing to crash airplanes into buildings in the hopes of murdering thousands of people.
I am quite aware that it was not only Americans who were killed that day, thanks.
so you are saying that had/if the US not been as engaged as she was/is within the world sphere that she still would've been targeted on 9/11?
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so you are saying that had/if the US not been as engaged as she was/is within the world sphere that she still would've been targeted on 9/11?
I am saying that if America had no troops or presence in Saudi Arabia - which is the justification that bin Laden repeatedly gave - that we still would have been hated by him and his followers and been attacked by them whenever and wherever possible.
so you are saying that had/if the US not been as engaged as she was/is within the world sphere that she still would've been targeted on 9/11?
I am saying that if America had no troops or presence in Saudi Arabia - which is the justification that bin Laden repeatedly gave - that we still would have hated by him and his followers and attacked whenever and wherever possible.
so you think that bin laden is crazy enough in his beliefs that had he not had the reason he gave to attack the US he would've attacked them anyways without any other reason or provocation???
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Our military is too often taken for granted. It is too easy to listen to casualty numbers on the news and to become desensitized. Every fallen soldier equals a shattered family that mourns and will never be the same. We think of our freedom as a given. It is not and many have fought and died to protect and preserve it.
At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.
The answer is far from never.
The Germans, after conquering Europe, would have just stopped?
The Japanese, after conquering the Pacific, would have just stopped?
The Soviets, after conquering everything, would have just stopped?
No. None of them would have.
All mere conjecture. Has the U.S ever been threatened with invasion? No. And no, Grenada weren't going to invade you, despite what the media, and Clint Eastwood would have you believe. And Nicaragua was also not going to invade the U.S.
so you are saying that had/if the US not been as engaged as she was/is within the world sphere that she still would've been targeted on 9/11?
I am saying that if America had no troops or presence in Saudi Arabia - which is the justification that bin Laden repeatedly gave - that we still would have hated by him and his followers and attacked whenever and wherever possible.
so you think that bin laden is crazy enough in his beliefs that had he not had the reason he gave to attack the US he would've attacked them anyways without any other reason or provocation???
I am saying he would have found a provocation. If it wasn't Saudi Arabia, if it wasn't the US presence in the middle east it would have been something else.
I am saying that if America had no troops or presence in Saudi Arabia - which is the justification that bin Laden repeatedly gave - that we still would have hated by him and his followers and attacked whenever and wherever possible.
so you think that bin laden is crazy enough in his beliefs that had he not had the reason he gave to attack the US he would've attacked them anyways without any other reason or provocation???
I am saying he would have found a provocation. If it wasn't Saudi Arabia, if it wasn't the US presence in the middle east it would have been something else.
what do you think that might have been?
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At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.
The answer is far from never.
The Germans, after conquering Europe, would have just stopped?
The Japanese, after conquering the Pacific, would have just stopped?
The Soviets, after conquering everything, would have just stopped?
No. None of them would have.
All mere conjecture. Has the U.S ever been threatened with invasion? No. And no, Grenada weren't going to invade you, despite what the media, and Clint Eastwood would have you believe. And Nicaragua was also not going to invade the U.S.
Not mere conjecture at all and deep down you know it. Much easier to argue a Nicaraguan point I did not make than the point I did. :roll:
I am saying he would have found a provocation. If it wasn't Saudi Arabia, if it wasn't the US presence in the middle east it would have been something else.
what do you think that might have been?
I have no idea. He was a madman and it could have been anything.
I am saying he would have found a provocation. If it wasn't Saudi Arabia, if it wasn't the US presence in the middle east it would have been something else.
what do you think that might have been?
I have no idea. He was a madman and it could have been anything.
why do you label bin laden a madman for his actions? do you label those who invade a country without provocation the same?
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the germans over extended themselves therefore them conquering Europe is a moot point.
the japanese didn't conquer the pacific nor would they have so again your point is moot.
And both of those things happened in part because of the American military. The Germans would not have been so overextended and the Japanese would have conquered the Pacific if neither had to fight America too. The point being rebutted was that the US has never been threatened by invasion and that because of that no American soldier has ever died defending American freedom. I say that is wrong for many reasons, not the least of which is that without the American military we absolutely would have been invaded.
beings you & i & others do enjoy being kind of free. why do you give marijuana users such a rashin of shit? i mean, in your mind we are totally free yet you poke sticks at people smoking marijuana which is not legal in most states. why do you hammer hammer hammer & hammer the marijuana user? this is not freedom & you are not free. you are actually bound to your job like a fly stuck on fly tape hanging from the ceiling & you are upset people use a plant
what i'm saying is if you (we) were truly 100% free you wouldn't worry about it ("it", the plant you condemn everyday on pearl jam)
I don't mind that people smoke pot if that's what they want, I really don't,my real concern is the dangers conected to pot, I can tell you with first hand knoledge that there are some real dangers that come with pot, the dealers,the suppliers,the shoot out's over turf and product,dead friends,friends in prison or have been to prison because they did something stupid to protect their investment.
I'm not some old time cowboy who dislikes pot because it's hippie bullshit I've seen things and experianced thing's I wish I had not and over what ? a stupid bag of friggin weed ?
the world of weed and drugs is a very scary world once you've entered into the dealers and drug lords world you become locked in and used for what ever you're worth be it money,resourses,your home or your family.
weed itself is harmless enough but if you know the story from the begining all the way to the dime bag in your pocket you'll know what it took to get there,the people that died or went to prison for the cash and terf that they operated.
I know that sounds a little extreme but those are the facts and Ijust don't want anything to do with it and maybe my opinion on weed might be agressive but I have earned it, I have been clean over 20 years, I know a guy who just got out of prison he is my age now (early 50's) and went into prison for drug related crimes at 19 years old and I think back and have to ask myself why ?...money,drugs, weed ??? over 30 years of wasted time he will never get back.
:fp: sorry for the story but you asked bro.
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you make me laugh. not like out loud but like in my soul. mostly i am amazed. i just wrote up a rather large couple paragraphs for you but then elected on deleting them. one day i'll write the book & send you a free copy.
All mere conjecture. Has the U.S ever been threatened with invasion? No. And no, Grenada weren't going to invade you, despite what the media, and Clint Eastwood would have you believe. And Nicaragua was also not going to invade the U.S.
I am no WWII scholar, but didn't Germany declare war on the US before we got involved in anything other than protecting our merchant ships from U-boats? I suppose it could be argued that they did it simply to beat us to the punch, but it sure seems like they threatened America. Now was invasion imminent? no, but their Axis partner did just attack the US.
I am no fan of war, but that seems like a threat to me.
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All mere conjecture. Has the U.S ever been threatened with invasion? No. And no, Grenada weren't going to invade you, despite what the media, and Clint Eastwood would have you believe. And Nicaragua was also not going to invade the U.S.
I am no WWII scholar, but didn't Germany declare war on the US before we got involved in anything other than protecting our merchant ships from U-boats? I suppose it could be argued that they did it simply to beat us to the punch, but it sure seems like they threatened America. Now was invasion imminent? no, but their Axis partner did just attack the US.
I am no fan of war, but that seems like a threat to me.
But it can be argued that if we were ever truly neutral then even our merchant ships wouldn't have been in hostile waters. We were intent on protecting our economic interests by protecting trade with our largest economic partners (GB and France) whilst not trading with Germany at all. Couldn't that be consider provocation on the part of the US?
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
All mere conjecture. Has the U.S ever been threatened with invasion? No. And no, Grenada weren't going to invade you, despite what the media, and Clint Eastwood would have you believe. And Nicaragua was also not going to invade the U.S.
I am no WWII scholar, but didn't Germany declare war on the US before we got involved in anything other than protecting our merchant ships from U-boats? I suppose it could be argued that they did it simply to beat us to the punch, but it sure seems like they threatened America. Now was invasion imminent? no, but their Axis partner did just attack the US.
I am no fan of war, but that seems like a threat to me.
But it can be argued that if we were ever truly neutral then even our merchant ships wouldn't have been in hostile waters. We were intent on protecting our economic interests by protecting trade with our largest economic partners (GB and France) whilst not trading with Germany at all. Couldn't that be consider provocation on the part of the US?
It could be, but given what the Germans were up to should we have been neutral? I say no.
But it can be argued that if we were ever truly neutral then even our merchant ships wouldn't have been in hostile waters. We were intent on protecting our economic interests by protecting trade with our largest economic partners (GB and France) whilst not trading with Germany at all. Couldn't that be consider provocation on the part of the US?
Probably by Germany, but they still declared war on US before our military joined the war effort against them. And that doesn't really change the fact that they did declare war on America. I was answering the point about never having been threatened with invasion. Again they weren't at our shores, but by formally declaring war against us, they implied that when they had the power it is exactly what they would do, didn't they?
Lend/lease program certainly helped the allied effort, but if Germany hadn't declared war it would have been hard for the president to convince people to fight in a European theater again after the cost of WWI... I think anyway, but that part is simply opinion.
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I am no WWII scholar, but didn't Germany declare war on the US before we got involved in anything other than protecting our merchant ships from U-boats? I suppose it could be argued that they did it simply to beat us to the punch, but it sure seems like they threatened America. Now was invasion imminent? no, but their Axis partner did just attack the US.
I am no fan of war, but that seems like a threat to me.
But it can be argued that if we were ever truly neutral then even our merchant ships wouldn't have been in hostile waters. We were intent on protecting our economic interests by protecting trade with our largest economic partners (GB and France) whilst not trading with Germany at all. Couldn't that be consider provocation on the part of the US?
It could be, but given what the Germans were up to should we have been neutral? I say no.
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Are you speaking of the Holocaust? If so, we could have helped by temporarily suspending our immigration quotas and allow German Jews to migrate to the US as the American Jews were lobbying for but our political leaders chose not to do that.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
Are you speaking of the Holocaust? If so, we could have helped by temporarily suspending our immigration quotas and allow German Jews to migrate to the US as the American Jews were lobbying for but our political leaders chose not to do that.
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You know how far away Pearl Harbour is from the Californian coast? Like I said, at what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion?
'Freedom'. Is this the freedom to buy as much shit as you want, and choose between 100 channels on the t.v?
i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology.. which may or may not be seen as being the sae thing as being an attack on your country. but then the question becomes can you separate a country from its ideology and does that best represent said country?
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Ideology wasn't murdered that day. 3,000 people were. Yes, it was an attack on this country.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
How so?
I'd say it was an attack on the U.S in revenge for decades of interference in the Middle East, including the propping up of the Israeli occupation.
yes.
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ask yourself why your country was attacked. what it purely because your country is America? or was it attacked because the enemy saw that America was representative of something? do not forget that it wasn't only americans that were killed that day.
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The answer is far from never.
The Germans, after conquering Europe, would have just stopped?
The Japanese, after conquering the Pacific, would have just stopped?
The Soviets, after conquering everything, would have just stopped?
No. None of them would have.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
can not that be encompassed within the USs ideology?
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America was attacked on 9/11 by radical madmen. There are the reasons and excuses they give - that America is the great Satan and she has polluted the holy land and so on and so forth. But I do not believe that if we were not engaged in the Middle East that we would be any less hated there by the kinds of people willing to crash airplanes into buildings in the hopes of murdering thousands of people.
I am quite aware that it was not only Americans who were killed that day, thanks.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
so you are saying that had/if the US not been as engaged as she was/is within the world sphere that she still would've been targeted on 9/11?
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I am saying that if America had no troops or presence in Saudi Arabia - which is the justification that bin Laden repeatedly gave - that we still would have been hated by him and his followers and been attacked by them whenever and wherever possible.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
so you think that bin laden is crazy enough in his beliefs that had he not had the reason he gave to attack the US he would've attacked them anyways without any other reason or provocation???
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All mere conjecture. Has the U.S ever been threatened with invasion? No. And no, Grenada weren't going to invade you, despite what the media, and Clint Eastwood would have you believe. And Nicaragua was also not going to invade the U.S.
I am saying he would have found a provocation. If it wasn't Saudi Arabia, if it wasn't the US presence in the middle east it would have been something else.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
what do you think that might have been?
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Not mere conjecture at all and deep down you know it. Much easier to argue a Nicaraguan point I did not make than the point I did. :roll:
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I have no idea. He was a madman and it could have been anything.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
the germans over extended themselves therefore them conquering Europe is a moot point.
the japanese didn't conquer the pacific nor would they have so again your point is moot.
as for the russians...
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why do you label bin laden a madman for his actions? do you label those who invade a country without provocation the same?
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And both of those things happened in part because of the American military. The Germans would not have been so overextended and the Japanese would have conquered the Pacific if neither had to fight America too. The point being rebutted was that the US has never been threatened by invasion and that because of that no American soldier has ever died defending American freedom. I say that is wrong for many reasons, not the least of which is that without the American military we absolutely would have been invaded.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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I label anyone who uses suicide attacks to deliberately target civilians as a madman.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I am no WWII scholar, but didn't Germany declare war on the US before we got involved in anything other than protecting our merchant ships from U-boats? I suppose it could be argued that they did it simply to beat us to the punch, but it sure seems like they threatened America. Now was invasion imminent? no, but their Axis partner did just attack the US.
I am no fan of war, but that seems like a threat to me.
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But it can be argued that if we were ever truly neutral then even our merchant ships wouldn't have been in hostile waters. We were intent on protecting our economic interests by protecting trade with our largest economic partners (GB and France) whilst not trading with Germany at all. Couldn't that be consider provocation on the part of the US?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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It could be, but given what the Germans were up to should we have been neutral? I say no.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Probably by Germany, but they still declared war on US before our military joined the war effort against them. And that doesn't really change the fact that they did declare war on America. I was answering the point about never having been threatened with invasion. Again they weren't at our shores, but by formally declaring war against us, they implied that when they had the power it is exactly what they would do, didn't they?
Lend/lease program certainly helped the allied effort, but if Germany hadn't declared war it would have been hard for the president to convince people to fight in a European theater again after the cost of WWI... I think anyway, but that part is simply opinion.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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Are you speaking of the Holocaust? If so, we could have helped by temporarily suspending our immigration quotas and allow German Jews to migrate to the US as the American Jews were lobbying for but our political leaders chose not to do that.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
OK, but should we have remained neutral?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."