Freedom

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I see you started a thread on this because of the discussion going on in the locked thread. I do find this interesting, but dont assume or get confused that people against over zealous patriotism do not appreciate the military and/or military technology. I know it's place and appreciate it for what it is..

Just because we appreciate subtle power and diplomacy doesnt mean we think, as you suggested, that "love in's and bong loads" keep us free. Possibly the silliest comment I've seen on here in awhile. But you used a , so its fine I guess..

JP as always you are very well worded and spot on with your comments,thanks'
yes the bongs and love in's was a joke i couldn't hold back

Godfather.

What did you think about my previous question? Was 9/11 considered an attack on our country?
Its an important question I think, because as The Wolf said in a previous post, most would have to be crazy to attack us... so any attack will be unconventional... unless North Korea actually loses its marbles, but that's not gonna happen either (i hope)

yes it was an attack on our country and thats why we went to war,reguardless of what people say about the war or Bush plain and simple we retaliated and killed the man believed to be reponsible for funding and planning the attack, if people think it was wrong or right to retaliate that's up to them.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Smellyman wrote:

This isn't a USA member board only.

I think you would find there are a lot people posting/living freely and in many instances more so.


this Freedom propaganda bullshit is sucked up like a hoover by Fox viewers.

nobody said they couldn't post their views and idea's of freedom in their countries , infact I would like to hear about it,I'm sure they are just as happy in their countries as I am in mine so insted of using the old stand-by of ragging on fox viewers why don't you try something original for yourself and find out what people think about freedom in their countries.

Godfather.

Cosmo

First off... Explain 'Freedom'.
I mean, are we really 'Free''? Are you free to do whatever you want... or are you chained to a 40 hour week job? You are chained to the job in pursuit of money... but, what do you spend your money on? Things you want... or things you need? Unchain yourself from your job and you lose your money and without your money you lose your ability to obtain, not only the things you want, but the things you also need. Are you free to choose to do whatever you want? What is meant by, 'Freedom'?
...
Anyway, besides that... it seems to me that most people confuse freedom and patriotism with militarism and war. There seems to be a failure to understand that a Patriot can believe profoundly in the founding principles of our nation and still be against the corporate machinery that uses our military to enforce our will on other people. There are a lot of people throughout the world living lives similar to ours, but are not paying a ton of taxes in military expenditures... but, i suppose, to the ones that believe killing people solves problems and creates freedom...those 'other' people don't count.

Drowned Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1EyFKmI7to
Mr Freedom - Clutch


Phantoms of the second civil war
You gather them around
And every time you open up your mouth,
A load of horseshit comes flying right back out
Flying right back out

Mr. Freedom big time talker, oh but thank you very much but no
Mr. Freedom big time talker, oh but thank you very much but no

Serious business on your lapel
Let the people, know how you feel
And every bumper sticker on the back of your car
Makes you feel a little more real,
A little more real

Mr. Freedom big time talker, oh but thank you very much but no
Mr. Freedom big time talker, oh but thank you BUT NO!

I bet you would like nothing better
Than for the shit to hit the fan
And from the safety of your arm chair,
Properly lay those plans that no one else but you can possibly understand

Mr. Freedom big time talker, oh but thank you very much but no

Smellyman

Cosmo wrote:

First off... Explain 'Freedom'.
I mean, are we really 'Free''? Are you free to do whatever you want... or are you chained to a 40 hour week job? You are chained to the job in pursuit of money... but, what do you spend your money on? Things you want... or things you need? Unchain yourself from your job and you lose your money and without your money you lose your ability to obtain, not only the things you want, but the things you also need. Are you free to choose to do whatever you want? What is meant by, 'Freedom'?
...
Anyway, besides that... it seems to me that most people confuse freedom and patriotism with militarism and war. There seems to be a failure to understand that a Patriot can believe profoundly in the founding principles of our nation and still be against the corporate machinery that uses our military to enforce our will on other people. There are a lot of people throughout the world living lives similar to ours, but are not paying a ton of taxes in military expenditures... but, i suppose, to the ones that believe killing people solves problems and creates freedom...those 'other' people don't count.

Cosmo always with the words of wisdom.

If I was more eloquent and cared enough to try, this is what I would've written.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

The Pacific, on one side, and the Atlantic, on the other. Just as the English channel saved Britain in WWII.

Byrnzie

JimmyV wrote:

Our military is too often taken for granted. It is too easy to listen to casualty numbers on the news and to become desensitized. Every fallen soldier equals a shattered family that mourns and will never be the same. We think of our freedom as a given. It is not and many have fought and died to protect and preserve it.

At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Our military is too often taken for granted. It is too easy to listen to casualty numbers on the news and to become desensitized. Every fallen soldier equals a shattered family that mourns and will never be the same. We think of our freedom as a given. It is not and many have fought and died to protect and preserve it.

At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.

wow really .....remember Pearl habor...what ? you think they just bombed pearl harbor cause they were bord ? or how about the sbumarines right off the california coast ? wtf do you think they had in mind ? ....a tea party

Godfather.

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

The Pacific, on one side, and the Atlantic, on the other. Just as the English channel saved Britain in WWII.

and you think all that ocean is a protective berrier news flash buddy...the US has the strongest Navy in the friggin world with the best technology to back it up.


Godfather.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

First off... Explain 'Freedom'.
I mean, are we really 'Free''? Are you free to do whatever you want... or are you chained to a 40 hour week job? You are chained to the job in pursuit of money... but, what do you spend your money on? Things you want... or things you need? Unchain yourself from your job and you lose your money and without your money you lose your ability to obtain, not only the things you want, but the things you also need. Are you free to choose to do whatever you want? What is meant by, 'Freedom'?
...
Anyway, besides that... it seems to me that most people confuse freedom and patriotism with militarism and war. There seems to be a failure to understand that a Patriot can believe profoundly in the founding principles of our nation and still be against the corporate machinery that uses our military to enforce our will on other people. There are a lot of people throughout the world living lives similar to ours, but are not paying a ton of taxes in military expenditures... but, i suppose, to the ones that believe killing people solves problems and creates freedom...those 'other' people don't count.

First off... Explain 'Freedom'.[Cosmo]
you just did in a way (one way anyway)

Godfather.

Smellyman

Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

The Pacific, on one side, and the Atlantic, on the other. Just as the English channel saved Britain in WWII.

and you think all that ocean is a protective berrier news flash buddy...the US has the strongest Navy in the friggin world with the best technology to back it up.


Godfather.

Woot! America Fuck Yeah!

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Our military is too often taken for granted. It is too easy to listen to casualty numbers on the news and to become desensitized. Every fallen soldier equals a shattered family that mourns and will never be the same. We think of our freedom as a given. It is not and many have fought and died to protect and preserve it.

At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.

wow really .....remember Pearl habor...what ? you think they just bombed pearl harbor cause they were bord ? or how about the sbumarines right off the california coast ? wtf do you think they had in mind ? ....a tea party

Godfather.

You know how far away Pearl Harbour is from the Californian coast? Like I said, at what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion?

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

'Freedom'. Is this the freedom to buy as much shit as you want, and choose between 100 channels on the t.v?

catefrances

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

was 9/11 considered an attack on our country?

i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology.. which may or may not be seen as being the sae thing as being an attack on your country. but then the question becomes can you separate a country from its ideology and does that best represent said country?

JimmyV

catefrances wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

was 9/11 considered an attack on our country?

i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology.. which may or may not be seen as being the sae thing as being an attack on your country. but then the question becomes can you separate a country from its ideology and does that best represent said country?

Ideology wasn't murdered that day. 3,000 people were. Yes, it was an attack on this country.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology..

How so?

I'd say it was an attack on the U.S in revenge for decades of interference in the Middle East, including the propping up of the Israeli occupation.

mikepegg44

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

with no macho slanders or anti gun statements what do you think keeps our country free from military attacks or take overs, the simple answer is "military Tech" and the Men and Women who invent and serve.

Godfather.

'Freedom'. Is this the freedom to buy as much shit as you want, and choose between 100 channels on the t.v?

yes.

catefrances

JimmyV wrote:

catefrances wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

was 9/11 considered an attack on our country?

i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology.. which may or may not be seen as being the sae thing as being an attack on your country. but then the question becomes can you separate a country from its ideology and does that best represent said country?

Ideology wasn't murdered that day. 3,000 people were. Yes, it was an attack on this country.

ask yourself why your country was attacked. what it purely because your country is America? or was it attacked because the enemy saw that America was representative of something? do not forget that it wasn't only americans that were killed that day.

JimmyV

Byrnzie wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Our military is too often taken for granted. It is too easy to listen to casualty numbers on the news and to become desensitized. Every fallen soldier equals a shattered family that mourns and will never be the same. We think of our freedom as a given. It is not and many have fought and died to protect and preserve it.

At what point in history was the U.S ever threatened with invasion? Answer = never. Therefore, who fought and died to protect your 'freedom'? I must have missed that.

The answer is far from never.

The Germans, after conquering Europe, would have just stopped?

The Japanese, after conquering the Pacific, would have just stopped?

The Soviets, after conquering everything, would have just stopped?

No. None of them would have.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i believe that 9/11 was an attack on your country's ideology..

How so?

I'd say it was an attack on the U.S in revenge for decades of interference in the Middle East, including the propping up of the Israeli occupation.

can not that be encompassed within the USs ideology?