I am not a republican I am a citizen of The United States of America....
I serously would like to know .....
When Obama lies and covers up is incompetence why do some of you bring up Bush or anyone else?
Because your fucken crying about what, 3 people dying on Libyan soil when that fuckface LIED and 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis died and over thousands of American soldiers. That's why Ariel, do you fucken get it now???? Jesus, what's wrong with you? Stop drinking that koolaid they're serving you? Open up your BRAIN, both administrations lied, but your buddy went beyond that, he fucken destroyed a country and ravaged a nation! Wake the fuck up Ariel, stop being so naive..... :fp:
It was American citizens on American soil. Yes, AMERICAN SOIL.
To me, this situation is one of the biggest disgraces in American history.
I am not a republican I am a citizen of The United States of America....
I serously would like to know .....
When Obama lies and covers up is incompetence why do some of you bring up Bush or anyone else?
Because your fucken crying about what, 3 people dying on Libyan soil when that fuckface LIED and 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis died and over thousands of American soldiers. That's why Ariel, do you fucken get it now???? Jesus, what's wrong with you? Stop drinking that koolaid they're serving you? Open up your BRAIN, both administrations lied, but your buddy went beyond that, he fucken destroyed a country and ravaged a nation! Wake the fuck up Ariel, stop being so naive..... :fp:
It was American citizens on American soil. Yes, AMERICAN SOIL.
To me, this situation is one of the biggest disgraces in American history.
To me, this situation is one of the biggest disgraces in American history.
There has been a lot of dumb shit said on this board over the years, by me included, but this may, just in fact, take the cake.
Not slavery
Not the need for a civil war
Not the teapot dome scandal
Not the internment of Japanese Americans
Not Iran Contra
Not the Jim Crow laws and segregation
Not the unjustified wars
To me, this situation is one of the biggest disgraces in American history.
There has been a lot of dumb shit said on this board over the years, by me included, but this may, just in fact, take the cake.
Not slavery
Not the need for a civil war
Not the teapot dome scandal
Not the internment of Japanese Americans
Not Iran Contra
Not the Jim Crow laws and segregation
Not the unjustified wars
Just to name a few of the probably thousands
Nope, this....Gotcha
I was waiting for this. The difference is that people actually cared about those things. The American people don't give a damn about this.
To me, this situation is one of the biggest disgraces in American history.
There has been a lot of dumb shit said on this board over the years, by me included, but this may, just in fact, take the cake.
Not slavery
Not the need for a civil war
Not the teapot dome scandal
Not the internment of Japanese Americans
Not Iran Contra
Not the Jim Crow laws and segregation
Not the unjustified wars
Just to name a few of the probably thousands
Nope, this....Gotcha
I was waiting for this. The difference is that people actually cared about those things. The American people don't give a damn about this.
Shame on you Cliffy
Oh stop, people care and everyone agrees the story should be known but not to the politicization extreme like the right is it making. Let me ask you as well, were you this outraged over Pat Tillman?
Oh stop, people care and everyone agrees the story should be known but not to the politicization extreme like the right is it making. Let me ask you as well, were you this outraged over Pat Tillman?
Actually I was and still am. These are not left or right issues, they are American issues. The party system as a whole disgusts me. There is no use for it in this day in age. It sets the whole country back.
if consistency within a political party about what they get outraged about is what some of you are after, let me know when it happens, because it will be the first fucking time it has ever occurred.
Who cares where the general populace were when, doesn't make Pat Tillman more alive, doesn't bring back those dead at any of the embassies...doesn't bring back all the innocents that have been killed in the war on terror, doesn't bring back any of the innocents killed in Bosnia long ago, innocents killed in South/Central America even longer, doesn't repair the damaged caused by torture at GITMO (which is STILL open)...some of you need to ask yourselves, if the situation currently being puffed up or minimized was done under the other party's watch, where would YOU honestly be?
where were you then? the answer to that question really doesn't matter to the now...where are you now?...from my point of view in looking at the Benghazi shit, it seems to only depend on party affiliation and that is sad, because we should all be on the side that seeks truth, but also on the side that is willing to HEAR it when it is given...
/self-righteous rant...now back to my gimlet
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if consistency within a political party about what they get outraged about is what some of you are after, let me know when it happens, because it will be the first fucking time it has ever occurred.
Who cares where the general populace were when, doesn't make Pat Tillman more alive, doesn't bring back those dead at any of the embassies...doesn't bring back all the innocents that have been killed in the war on terror, doesn't bring back any of the innocents killed in Bosnia long ago, innocents killed in South/Central America even longer, doesn't repair the damaged caused by torture at GITMO (which is STILL open)...some of you need to ask yourselves, if the situation currently being puffed up or minimized was done under the other party's watch, where would YOU honestly be?
where were you then? the answer to that question really doesn't matter to the now...where are you now?...from my point of view in looking at the Benghazi shit, it seems to only depend on party affiliation and that is sad, because we should all be on the side that seeks truth, but also on the side that is willing to HEAR it when it is given...
/self-righteous rant...now back to my gimlet
Exactly my point. Get rid of the D or R next to your name and make the public actually figure out what your values are before voting.
Wow, and there you have it. Not shame on cliffy, BUT shame on you rusty. And for your info, I dnt give a fuck about D or R, just Right and Wrong. And both fucken parties doing a lot of wrong.
if consistency within a political party about what they get outraged about is what some of you are after, let me know when it happens, because it will be the first fucking time it has ever occurred.
Who cares where the general populace were when, doesn't make Pat Tillman more alive, doesn't bring back those dead at any of the embassies...doesn't bring back all the innocents that have been killed in the war on terror, doesn't bring back any of the innocents killed in Bosnia long ago, innocents killed in South/Central America even longer, doesn't repair the damaged caused by torture at GITMO (which is STILL open)...some of you need to ask yourselves, if the situation currently being puffed up or minimized was done under the other party's watch, where would YOU honestly be?
where were you then? the answer to that question really doesn't matter to the now...where are you now?...from my point of view in looking at the Benghazi shit, it seems to only depend on party affiliation and that is sad, because we should all be on the side that seeks truth, but also on the side that is willing to HEAR it when it is given...
/self-righteous rant...now back to my gimlet
Fair enough. And as I said, I obviously want the truth, but I don't see it as a massive political kicked out of office scandal in any way, shape or form.
if consistency within a political party about what they get outraged about is what some of you are after, let me know when it happens, because it will be the first fucking time it has ever occurred.
Who cares where the general populace were when, doesn't make Pat Tillman more alive, doesn't bring back those dead at any of the embassies...doesn't bring back all the innocents that have been killed in the war on terror, doesn't bring back any of the innocents killed in Bosnia long ago, innocents killed in South/Central America even longer, doesn't repair the damaged caused by torture at GITMO (which is STILL open)...some of you need to ask yourselves, if the situation currently being puffed up or minimized was done under the other party's watch, where would YOU honestly be?
where were you then? the answer to that question really doesn't matter to the now...where are you now?...from my point of view in looking at the Benghazi shit, it seems to only depend on party affiliation and that is sad, because we should all be on the side that seeks truth, but also on the side that is willing to HEAR it when it is given...
/self-righteous rant...now back to my gimlet
Exactly my point. Get rid of the D or R next to your name and make the public actually figure out what your values are before voting.
That was clearly not your point at any point in this conversation. If it was, you didn't express it, AT ALL
Oh stop, people care and everyone agrees the story should be known but not to the politicization extreme like the right is it making. Let me ask you as well, were you this outraged over Pat Tillman?
Actually I was and still am. These are not left or right issues, they are American issues. The party system as a whole disgusts me. There is no use for it in this day in age. It sets the whole country back.
here is proof this has nothing to do with Right, Left....
A key Benghazi whistle-blower who has allegedly been punished for speaking out against the administration is a registered Democrat who voted for both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
The lawyer of Gregory Hicks, the former U.S. deputy chief of mission in Libya who testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Wednesday, confirmed the information to The Daily Caller on Saturday.
Hicks voted for Clinton during the 2008 primary, and for then-Illinois Sen. Obama in the 2008 general election. He again voted for Obama in 2012.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
if consistency within a political party about what they get outraged about is what some of you are after, let me know when it happens, because it will be the first fucking time it has ever occurred.
Who cares where the general populace were when, doesn't make Pat Tillman more alive, doesn't bring back those dead at any of the embassies...doesn't bring back all the innocents that have been killed in the war on terror, doesn't bring back any of the innocents killed in Bosnia long ago, innocents killed in South/Central America even longer, doesn't repair the damaged caused by torture at GITMO (which is STILL open)...some of you need to ask yourselves, if the situation currently being puffed up or minimized was done under the other party's watch, where would YOU honestly be?
where were you then? the answer to that question really doesn't matter to the now...where are you now?...from my point of view in looking at the Benghazi shit, it seems to only depend on party affiliation and that is sad, because we should all be on the side that seeks truth, but also on the side that is willing to HEAR it when it is given...
/self-righteous rant...now back to my gimlet
Fair enough. And as I said, I obviously want the truth, but I don't see it as a massive political kicked out of office scandal in any way, shape or form.
Me either
I think some people looked to get out answers as quickly as possible and as the information changed so did the communication from the gov't. I am not sure how they pulled the video out as a reason, that seemed like a stretch, but when you are unwilling to recognize the real reason our interests get attacked in the middle east, videos that 20 people had seen at the time will have to do.
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here is proof this has nothing to do with Right, Left....
That's not really what people are talking about when they argue that this is about politics. You've got it backward - it's the critics (Republicans) and their motives that have us concerned...
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"CNN has obtained an e-mail sent by a top aide to President Barack Obama about White House reaction to the deadly attack last September 11 on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that apparently differs from how sources characterized it to two different media organizations.
The actual e-mail from then-Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes appears to show that whomever leaked it did so in a way that made it appear that the White House was primarily concerned with the State Department's desire to remove references and warnings about specific terrorist groups so as to not bring criticism to the department.
Rhodes, White House communications director Jennifer Palmieri, and White House press secretary Jay Carney, could not be reached for comment.
In the e-mail sent on Friday, September 14, 2012, at 9:34 p.m., obtained by CNN from a U.S. government source, Rhodes wrote:
“All –
“Sorry to be late to this discussion. We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.
“There is a ton of wrong information getting out into the public domain from Congress and people who are not particularly informed. Insofar as we have firmed up assessments that don’t compromise intel or the investigation, we need to have the capability to correct the record, as there are significant policy and messaging ramifications that would flow from a hardened mis-impression.
We can take this up tomorrow morning at deputies.”
ABC News reported that Rhodes wrote: “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting.” The Weekly Standard reported that Rhodes "responded to the group, explaining that Nuland had raised valid concerns and advising that the issues would be resolved at a meeting of the National Security Council’s Deputies Committee the following morning."
Whoever provided those quotes seemingly invented the notion that Rhodes wanted the concerns of the State Department specifically addressed. While Nuland, particularly, had expressed a desire to remove mentions of specific terrorist groups and CIA warnings about the increasingly dangerous assignment, Rhodes put no emphasis at all in his e-mail on the State Department's concerns."
here is proof this has nothing to do with Right, Left....
That's not really what people are talking about when they argue that this is about politics. You've got it backward - it's the critics (Republicans) and their motives that have us concerned...
The democrat's should be critics also as Mr. Hicks is.....but they fail to ask relevant questions...they just come up with excuses.....but most Americans Dem. or Republicans caer what happened and do not like to be lied to....by our administration...
'The only people that don't want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide" Quote by Obama
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
The democrat's should be critics also as Mr. Hicks is.....but they fail to ask relevant questions...they just come up with excuses.....but most Americans Dem. or Republicans caer what happened and do not like to be lied to....by our administration...
'The only people that don't want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide" Quote by Obama
...which is a fine thing to say, but do you or other Republican critics mean it? If we should all be outraged or critical of the Obama administration for this security failure, then what is your take on the dozens of other, similar deadly attacks on American installations during the Bush years? What is your take on Republican critics of Obama who were silent during those times?
For the sake of argument, I agree: we should all be critical of failures or coverups. What does it mean when we pick and choose which events to be outraged by?
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...which is a fine thing to say, but do you or other Republican critics mean it? If we should all be outraged or critical of the Obama administration for this security failure, then what is your take on the dozens of other, similar deadly attacks on American installations during the Bush years? What is your take on Republican critics of Obama who were silent during those times?
For the sake of argument, I agree: we should all be critical of failures or coverups. What does it mean when we pick and choose which events to be outraged by?
I don't know why I'm injected myself further into this thread (bored, i guess), but to be fair I don't think there were any accusations of the Bush admin misleading the public in any of those tragic events.
I don't know why I'm injected myself further into this thread (bored, i guess), but to be fair I don't think there were any accusations of the Bush admin misleading the public in any of those tragic events.
That may or may not be true, but we shouldn't be deciding if this is a legitimate inquiry or a political witchhunt based on whether whether or not accusations have been leveled.
If people are outraged about the loss of American lives overseas (i.e. the Republican critics now), where were they from 2000-2008? If people are outraged about coverups and scandals in the White House now, where were they from 2000-2008?
None of the critics seem to be able to point out what they surmise Obama is covering up, or why he would want to cover something up, or why they believe the testimonials that deflect blame or culpability from the litany of chief conspirators the right loves to hate (i.e. Obama, Clinton) are incorrect.
Instead, they continue to stir the pot without offering any substantive critique or theory about what's going on. It's driven by conservative talking heads and it's extremely sad that it's gotten so much traction.
If you're truly concerned about a coverup, do your fucking homework. What's being covered up? What's the evidence that it's a coverup? Why is a colossal fuck-up on a Democrat's watch different than a colossal fuck-up on a Republican's?
If it's a legitimate inquiry into the deaths of Americans and a possible coverup, fine. But without more and with an inconsistent "outraged" track record on the right, it looks and smells like a politically-motivated witch hunt...
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I don't know why I'm injected myself further into this thread (bored, i guess)
And tell me about it...I find myself on ATM far more when there are no tour dates to speak of...
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I don't know why I'm injected myself further into this thread (bored, i guess), but to be fair I don't think there were any accusations of the Bush admin misleading the public in any of those tragic events.
That may or may not be true, but we shouldn't be deciding if this is a legitimate inquiry or a political witchhunt based on whether whether or not accusations have been leveled.
...
It's both. Because of the word "terror" and how that word could be used in the election. Or future elections.
But it does appear to me that the admin lied about the timeline and mislead the public long enough to get past November 2nd and avoid having to say that word.
It's both. Because of the word "terror" and how that word could be used in the election. Or future elections.
But it does appear to me that the admin lied about the timeline and mislead the public long enough to get past November 2nd and avoid having to say that word.
Is that a coverup? An impeachable offense?
You're right: this is about elections.
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So where does Iraq land on your list?
http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=207579&start=75#p5043866
Not even in the same conversation.
There has been a lot of dumb shit said on this board over the years, by me included, but this may, just in fact, take the cake.
Not slavery
Not the need for a civil war
Not the teapot dome scandal
Not the internment of Japanese Americans
Not Iran Contra
Not the Jim Crow laws and segregation
Not the unjustified wars
Just to name a few of the probably thousands
Nope, this....Gotcha
I was waiting for this. The difference is that people actually cared about those things. The American people don't give a damn about this.
Shame on you Cliffy
Oh stop, people care and everyone agrees the story should be known but not to the politicization extreme like the right is it making. Let me ask you as well, were you this outraged over Pat Tillman?
Actually I was and still am. These are not left or right issues, they are American issues. The party system as a whole disgusts me. There is no use for it in this day in age. It sets the whole country back.
Who cares where the general populace were when, doesn't make Pat Tillman more alive, doesn't bring back those dead at any of the embassies...doesn't bring back all the innocents that have been killed in the war on terror, doesn't bring back any of the innocents killed in Bosnia long ago, innocents killed in South/Central America even longer, doesn't repair the damaged caused by torture at GITMO (which is STILL open)...some of you need to ask yourselves, if the situation currently being puffed up or minimized was done under the other party's watch, where would YOU honestly be?
where were you then? the answer to that question really doesn't matter to the now...where are you now?...from my point of view in looking at the Benghazi shit, it seems to only depend on party affiliation and that is sad, because we should all be on the side that seeks truth, but also on the side that is willing to HEAR it when it is given...
/self-righteous rant...now back to my gimlet
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Exactly my point. Get rid of the D or R next to your name and make the public actually figure out what your values are before voting.
Wow, and there you have it. Not shame on cliffy, BUT shame on you rusty. And for your info, I dnt give a fuck about D or R, just Right and Wrong. And both fucken parties doing a lot of wrong.
Fair enough. And as I said, I obviously want the truth, but I don't see it as a massive political kicked out of office scandal in any way, shape or form.
That was clearly not your point at any point in this conversation. If it was, you didn't express it, AT ALL
Hey Cliffy, do you have selective reading or are you just trying to piss me off?.......
By party system I mean the Democrats and the Republicans.
A key Benghazi whistle-blower who has allegedly been punished for speaking out against the administration is a registered Democrat who voted for both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
The lawyer of Gregory Hicks, the former U.S. deputy chief of mission in Libya who testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Wednesday, confirmed the information to The Daily Caller on Saturday.
Hicks voted for Clinton during the 2008 primary, and for then-Illinois Sen. Obama in the 2008 general election. He again voted for Obama in 2012.
to me sandy hook and the legislative failure following that was one of the biggest disgraces in american history.
the american imperialism of the last 100 years is the absolute biggest disgrace in american history.
yeah, 4 lives > than everything else that has happened that led up to and directly caused the events at benghazi...
i am speechless....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"benghazi" has just secured the republican presidential nomination in 2016. no word yet on running mate selection, because benghazi is all they have.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Finally!
Me either
I think some people looked to get out answers as quickly as possible and as the information changed so did the communication from the gov't. I am not sure how they pulled the video out as a reason, that seemed like a stretch, but when you are unwilling to recognize the real reason our interests get attacked in the middle east, videos that 20 people had seen at the time will have to do.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
That's not really what people are talking about when they argue that this is about politics. You've got it backward - it's the critics (Republicans) and their motives that have us concerned...
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"CNN has obtained an e-mail sent by a top aide to President Barack Obama about White House reaction to the deadly attack last September 11 on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that apparently differs from how sources characterized it to two different media organizations.
The actual e-mail from then-Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes appears to show that whomever leaked it did so in a way that made it appear that the White House was primarily concerned with the State Department's desire to remove references and warnings about specific terrorist groups so as to not bring criticism to the department.
Rhodes, White House communications director Jennifer Palmieri, and White House press secretary Jay Carney, could not be reached for comment.
In the e-mail sent on Friday, September 14, 2012, at 9:34 p.m., obtained by CNN from a U.S. government source, Rhodes wrote:
“All –
“Sorry to be late to this discussion. We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.
“There is a ton of wrong information getting out into the public domain from Congress and people who are not particularly informed. Insofar as we have firmed up assessments that don’t compromise intel or the investigation, we need to have the capability to correct the record, as there are significant policy and messaging ramifications that would flow from a hardened mis-impression.
We can take this up tomorrow morning at deputies.”
ABC News reported that Rhodes wrote: “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting.” The Weekly Standard reported that Rhodes "responded to the group, explaining that Nuland had raised valid concerns and advising that the issues would be resolved at a meeting of the National Security Council’s Deputies Committee the following morning."
Whoever provided those quotes seemingly invented the notion that Rhodes wanted the concerns of the State Department specifically addressed. While Nuland, particularly, had expressed a desire to remove mentions of specific terrorist groups and CIA warnings about the increasingly dangerous assignment, Rhodes put no emphasis at all in his e-mail on the State Department's concerns."
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The democrat's should be critics also as Mr. Hicks is.....but they fail to ask relevant questions...they just come up with excuses.....but most Americans Dem. or Republicans caer what happened and do not like to be lied to....by our administration...
'The only people that don't want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide" Quote by Obama
...which is a fine thing to say, but do you or other Republican critics mean it? If we should all be outraged or critical of the Obama administration for this security failure, then what is your take on the dozens of other, similar deadly attacks on American installations during the Bush years? What is your take on Republican critics of Obama who were silent during those times?
For the sake of argument, I agree: we should all be critical of failures or coverups. What does it mean when we pick and choose which events to be outraged by?
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That may or may not be true, but we shouldn't be deciding if this is a legitimate inquiry or a political witchhunt based on whether whether or not accusations have been leveled.
If people are outraged about the loss of American lives overseas (i.e. the Republican critics now), where were they from 2000-2008? If people are outraged about coverups and scandals in the White House now, where were they from 2000-2008?
None of the critics seem to be able to point out what they surmise Obama is covering up, or why he would want to cover something up, or why they believe the testimonials that deflect blame or culpability from the litany of chief conspirators the right loves to hate (i.e. Obama, Clinton) are incorrect.
Instead, they continue to stir the pot without offering any substantive critique or theory about what's going on. It's driven by conservative talking heads and it's extremely sad that it's gotten so much traction.
If you're truly concerned about a coverup, do your fucking homework. What's being covered up? What's the evidence that it's a coverup? Why is a colossal fuck-up on a Democrat's watch different than a colossal fuck-up on a Republican's?
If it's a legitimate inquiry into the deaths of Americans and a possible coverup, fine. But without more and with an inconsistent "outraged" track record on the right, it looks and smells like a politically-motivated witch hunt...
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And tell me about it...I find myself on ATM far more when there are no tour dates to speak of...
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But it does appear to me that the admin lied about the timeline and mislead the public long enough to get past November 2nd and avoid having to say that word.
Is that a coverup? An impeachable offense?
You're right: this is about elections.
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