It's both. Because of the word "terror" and how that word could be used in the election. Or future elections.
But it does appear to me that the admin lied about the timeline and mislead the public long enough to get past November 2nd and avoid having to say that word.
Is that a coverup? An impeachable offense?
You're right: this is about elections.
Lying to the public is what politicians do best. Why fire someone for being good at what they do?
Lying to the public is what politicians do best. Why fire someone for being good at what they do?
I don't know that we're ultimately disagreeing. I'm more interested in seeing some consistency. Personally, I think this is 1% critical issue and 99% political witch hunt, with the 1% being, in the end, unrelated to anything that could've saved lives (which is what the focus should be on). But it's just like it always is. I've merely tried to engage the critics on whether they are actually concerned about this issue, or just using it as a means to attack a president they don't like. It's clear to me that it's been the latter this entire time, which is sad, disgusting, and perfectly on-par with Washington and the mass media.
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crap Clinton got in all is trouble over a blooooo....hummer and nobody got killed..nobody had the IRS sicked on them all he did was lie to cover his azz which fails in comparison to this mess. :shock:
crap Clinton got in all is trouble over a blooooo....hummer and nobody got killed..nobody had the IRS sicked on them all he did was lie to cover his azz which fails in comparison to this mess. :shock:
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in either case, what crime was committed?
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I don't know why I'm injected myself further into this thread (bored, i guess), but to be fair I don't think there were any accusations of the Bush admin misleading the public in any of those tragic events.
That may or may not be true, but we shouldn't be deciding if this is a legitimate inquiry or a political witchhunt based on whether whether or not accusations have been leveled.
If people are outraged about the loss of American lives overseas (i.e. the Republican critics now), where were they from 2000-2008? If people are outraged about coverups and scandals in the White House now, where were they from 2000-2008?
None of the critics seem to be able to point out what they surmise Obama is covering up, or why he would want to cover something up, or why they believe the testimonials that deflect blame or culpability from the litany of chief conspirators the right loves to hate (i.e. Obama, Clinton) are incorrect.
Instead, they continue to stir the pot without offering any substantive critique or theory about what's going on. It's driven by conservative talking heads and it's extremely sad that it's gotten so much traction.
If you're truly concerned about a coverup, do your fucking homework. What's being covered up? What's the evidence that it's a coverup? Why is a colossal fuck-up on a Democrat's watch different than a colossal fuck-up on a Republican's?
If it's a legitimate inquiry into the deaths of Americans and a possible coverup, fine. But without more and with an inconsistent "outraged" track record on the right, it looks and smells like a politically-motivated witch hunt...
The reasons we have hearings is to find out what happened....if they would stop lying and be truthful we could fine out....no one is saying one cover up is different....there all colossal fuck ups.....if I had a crystal ball we would not even need hearings....
If Benghazi happened so long ago and is irrelevant as some say 2000-2008 is damned sure irrelevant...
Do you think it is okay for a President to lie to the American people.....
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I don't know why I'm injected myself further into this thread (bored, i guess), but to be fair I don't think there were any accusations of the Bush admin misleading the public in any of those tragic events.
That may or may not be true, but we shouldn't be deciding if this is a legitimate inquiry or a political witchhunt based on whether whether or not accusations have been leveled.
If people are outraged about the loss of American lives overseas (i.e. the Republican critics now), where were they from 2000-2008? If people are outraged about coverups and scandals in the White House now, where were they from 2000-2008?
None of the critics seem to be able to point out what they surmise Obama is covering up, or why he would want to cover something up, or why they believe the testimonials that deflect blame or culpability from the litany of chief conspirators the right loves to hate (i.e. Obama, Clinton) are incorrect.
Instead, they continue to stir the pot without offering any substantive critique or theory about what's going on. It's driven by conservative talking heads and it's extremely sad that it's gotten so much traction.
If you're truly concerned about a coverup, do your fucking homework. What's being covered up? What's the evidence that it's a coverup? Why is a colossal fuck-up on a Democrat's watch different than a colossal fuck-up on a Republican's?
If it's a legitimate inquiry into the deaths of Americans and a possible coverup, fine. But without more and with an inconsistent "outraged" track record on the right, it looks and smells like a politically-motivated witch hunt...
The reasons we have hearings is to find out what happened....if they would stop lying and be truthful we could fine out....no one is saying one cover up is different....there all colossal fuck ups.....if I had a crystal ball we would not even need hearings....
If Benghazi happened so long ago and is irrelevant as some say 2000-2008 is damned sure irrelevant...
Do you think it is okay for a President to lie to the American people.....
Says the person who posts republican lies on a daily basis
Why lie if there was no crime? One crime would be blaming that poor film maker just to cover his ass....why was he covering his ass? That is why we are having hearings.
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Why lie if there was no crime? One crime would be blaming that poor film maker just to cover his ass....why was he covering his ass? That is why we are having hearings.
pray tell, what crime has been committed?
blaming a film maker is NOT a crime.
unethical, yes. despicable, yes. crime, no.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
if no crime was committed, then the hearings are yet another waste of time and american money.
ken starr spent $46 million of your tax dollars for nothing. the same thing might occur here. i want the deficit hawks to condemn it if it happens. but they won't, because they are republicans, and the president is a democrat.
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Why lie if there was no crime? One crime would be blaming that poor film maker just to cover his ass....why was he covering his ass? That is why we are having hearings.
pray tell, what crime has been committed?
blaming a film maker is NOT a crime.
unethical, yes. despicable, yes. crime, no.
Unethical, yes. Did the administration purposefully lie so that the American public wouldn't think this was a planned terrorist attack that would hurt Obama's chances at reelection? You don't care about that? I do and I voted for him. I don't think he should be impeached or anything like that or that it's the "greatest tragedy in my life" as Dick Cheney said, but it is disappointing.
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Unethical, yes. Did the administration purposefully lie so that the American public wouldn't think this was a planned terrorist attack that would hurt Obama's chances at reelection? You don't care about that? I do and I voted for him. I don't think he should be impeached or anything like that or that it's the "greatest tragedy in my life" as Dick Cheney said, but it is disappointing.
yes it concerns me, but after 8 years of the daily shit sandwich of lies from the bush administration i have come to expect lies from every administration going forward. i am not saying that in any sort of flippant or proud manner, but come on. administrations lie. just one of bush's lies cost a million lives. for the republicans to take advantage of these dead in this case is galling. they are using the victims as pawns in the game that they started playing on the day obama was first sworn in. that game is called "damage the president at all costs". mitch mcconnell could not make him a one term president, so issa and boehner are going all in in an attempt to impeach him and damage hillary so badly that she can not run in 2016, and it is fucking disgusting. i am pissed that benghazi happened, but even more pissed at the dog and pony show being put on by the gop.
and for dick cheney of all people to call this the greatest tragedy in his life just goes to show that the man is a fucking sociopath. he can make all kinds of excuses and justifications for sending 4500 american soldiers to their deaths, and with a straight face say that 4 americans dying in libya is a bigger tragedy than that. :fp:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
if no crime was committed, then the hearings are yet another waste of time and american money.
ken starr spent $46 million of your tax dollars for nothing. the same thing might occur here. i want the deficit hawks to condemn it if it happens. but they won't, because they are republicans, and the president is a democrat.
You do remember that Clinton lied to a grand jury right? you know, perjury...the same thing that put Martha Stewart in prison...I don't really think there needed to be an investigation into it in the first place, but I think the Lewinsky thing gets played off too easily sometimes. He committed perjury and didn't even get a fine...why don't you try that and see what happens...
But this isn't about Clinton, Bush or anyone else, it is about President Obama's administration. I think the truth should be found, but not to hang anyone, just to figure out if something could be done differently at our embassies around the world...it would be nice if the Administration had come out and said the real reason terrorist groups keep trying to kill Americans and it has zero to do with videos...but no admin will ever admit to that.
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if no crime was committed, then the hearings are yet another waste of time and american money.
ken starr spent $46 million of your tax dollars for nothing. the same thing might occur here. i want the deficit hawks to condemn it if it happens. but they won't, because they are republicans, and the president is a democrat.
You do remember that Clinton lied to a grand jury right? you know, perjury...the same thing that put Martha Stewart in prison...I don't really think there needed to be an investigation into it in the first place, but I think the Lewinsky thing gets played off too easily sometimes. He committed perjury and didn't even get a fine...why don't you try that and see what happens...
But this isn't about Clinton, Bush or anyone else, it is about President Obama's administration. I think the truth should be found, but not to hang anyone, just to figure out if something could be done differently at our embassies around the world...it would be nice if the Administration had come out and said the real reason terrorist groups keep trying to kill Americans and it has zero to do with videos...but no admin will ever admit to that.
obama called it a terrorist attack in the rose garden the next day. remember when obama pwned romney in the debate??? "proceed governor."
also, clinton was not found guilty in the senate.
witch hunts and political theater are all the republicans are good for these days. while the people's business goes unaddressed.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
if no crime was committed, then the hearings are yet another waste of time and american money.
ken starr spent $46 million of your tax dollars for nothing. the same thing might occur here. i want the deficit hawks to condemn it if it happens. but they won't, because they are republicans, and the president is a democrat.
You do remember that Clinton lied to a grand jury right? you know, perjury...the same thing that put Martha Stewart in prison...I don't really think there needed to be an investigation into it in the first place, but I think the Lewinsky thing gets played off too easily sometimes. He committed perjury and didn't even get a fine...why don't you try that and see what happens...
But this isn't about Clinton, Bush or anyone else, it is about President Obama's administration. I think the truth should be found, but not to hang anyone, just to figure out if something could be done differently at our embassies around the world...it would be nice if the Administration had come out and said the real reason terrorist groups keep trying to kill Americans and it has zero to do with videos...but no admin will ever admit to that.
obama called it a terrorist attack in the rose garden the next day. remember when obama pwned romney in the debate??? "proceed governor."
also, clinton was not found guilty in the senate.
witch hunts and political theater are all the republicans are good for these days. while the people's business goes unaddressed.
you are right, he was found not guilty. Doesn't mean he didn't lie to investigators and the American people..."I did not have sexual relations with that woman" The republicans needed a two thirds majority and had only 55 senators.
in my other comment I was referring to American military presence in the middle east as the reason they continue to attack us, not just calling it a terrorist attack after it happened.
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Never forget and never let Republicans forget that this was their original response to Benghazi.
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The smirk. Romney's campaign looked at Benghazi as a gift. Their response from the very beginning was to politicize the deaths of those Americans. I cannot get too upset with Obama's administration for playing politics when this was what his opposition was up to from the very beginning.
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“But the one advice I give to Republicans is stop calling it a huge scandal,” Krauthammer said. “Stop saying it’s a Watergate. Stop saying it’s Iran-Contra. Let the facts speak for themselves. Have a special committee, a select committee. The facts will speak for themselves. Pile them on but don’t exaggerate. Don’t run ads about Hillary. It feed the narrative for the other side that it’s only a political event. It’s not. Just be quiet and present the facts.”
I don't understand america. a previous govt pulls you into a war based on lies and no one really gives a shit. but this incident has got peoples hair on fire? is it all abut cherry picking your indignation? whats it based on.. the actual incident, your opinion of the people involved or your individual politics?
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I don't understand america. a previous govt pulls you into a war based on lies and no one really gives a shit. but this incident has got peoples hair on fire? is it all abut cherry picking your indignation? whats it based on.. the actual incident, your opinion of the people involved or your individual politics?
Politics has become a spectator sport here. We root for one side and against the other. I am sometimes guilty of it myself. Beyond that it is a combination of everything you mentioned. People cherry pick their indignation based on who is at fault/who can be blamed. There is an irrational hatred of Obama that has existed since he took office. There was also an irrational hatred of Bush in some circles but it was not on this level.
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I don't know that we're ultimately disagreeing. I'm more interested in seeing some consistency. Personally, I think this is 1% critical issue and 99% political witch hunt, with the 1% being, in the end, unrelated to anything that could've saved lives (which is what the focus should be on). But it's just like it always is. I've merely tried to engage the critics on whether they are actually concerned about this issue, or just using it as a means to attack a president they don't like. It's clear to me that it's been the latter this entire time, which is sad, disgusting, and perfectly on-par with Washington and the mass media.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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If Benghazi happened so long ago and is irrelevant as some say 2000-2008 is damned sure irrelevant...
Do you think it is okay for a President to lie to the American people.....
WHAT CRIME WAS COMMITTED?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Says the person who posts republican lies on a daily basis
Why lie if there was no crime? One crime would be blaming that poor film maker just to cover his ass....why was he covering his ass? That is why we are having hearings.
blaming a film maker is NOT a crime.
unethical, yes. despicable, yes. crime, no.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
ken starr spent $46 million of your tax dollars for nothing. the same thing might occur here. i want the deficit hawks to condemn it if it happens. but they won't, because they are republicans, and the president is a democrat.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Unethical, yes. Did the administration purposefully lie so that the American public wouldn't think this was a planned terrorist attack that would hurt Obama's chances at reelection? You don't care about that? I do and I voted for him. I don't think he should be impeached or anything like that or that it's the "greatest tragedy in my life" as Dick Cheney said, but it is disappointing.
and for dick cheney of all people to call this the greatest tragedy in his life just goes to show that the man is a fucking sociopath. he can make all kinds of excuses and justifications for sending 4500 american soldiers to their deaths, and with a straight face say that 4 americans dying in libya is a bigger tragedy than that. :fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Like finding out which baseball players were on the juice.
:fp: :fp: :fp:
You do remember that Clinton lied to a grand jury right? you know, perjury...the same thing that put Martha Stewart in prison...I don't really think there needed to be an investigation into it in the first place, but I think the Lewinsky thing gets played off too easily sometimes. He committed perjury and didn't even get a fine...why don't you try that and see what happens...
But this isn't about Clinton, Bush or anyone else, it is about President Obama's administration. I think the truth should be found, but not to hang anyone, just to figure out if something could be done differently at our embassies around the world...it would be nice if the Administration had come out and said the real reason terrorist groups keep trying to kill Americans and it has zero to do with videos...but no admin will ever admit to that.
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also, clinton was not found guilty in the senate.
witch hunts and political theater are all the republicans are good for these days. while the people's business goes unaddressed.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you are right, he was found not guilty. Doesn't mean he didn't lie to investigators and the American people..."I did not have sexual relations with that woman" The republicans needed a two thirds majority and had only 55 senators.
in my other comment I was referring to American military presence in the middle east as the reason they continue to attack us, not just calling it a terrorist attack after it happened.
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romney embarrassed the hell out of himself there.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You obviously didn't read it.
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The smirk. Romney's campaign looked at Benghazi as a gift. Their response from the very beginning was to politicize the deaths of those Americans. I cannot get too upset with Obama's administration for playing politics when this was what his opposition was up to from the very beginning.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
No?
Still nothing to see here.
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“But the one advice I give to Republicans is stop calling it a huge scandal,” Krauthammer said. “Stop saying it’s a Watergate. Stop saying it’s Iran-Contra. Let the facts speak for themselves. Have a special committee, a select committee. The facts will speak for themselves. Pile them on but don’t exaggerate. Don’t run ads about Hillary. It feed the narrative for the other side that it’s only a political event. It’s not. Just be quiet and present the facts.”
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Politics has become a spectator sport here. We root for one side and against the other. I am sometimes guilty of it myself. Beyond that it is a combination of everything you mentioned. People cherry pick their indignation based on who is at fault/who can be blamed. There is an irrational hatred of Obama that has existed since he took office. There was also an irrational hatred of Bush in some circles but it was not on this level.
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