I never considered other Americans as my enemy but since being on TMT I see how that could be. When I first came on here I was shocked by the post on here. I had never been on a political forum till this one and have never heard such disrespectful discussions. The name calling and the rudeness is sometime just plain evil. The only reason I stay on here I hate to admitted is I have developed a very bad habit
See but that's exactly what this issue has devolved into. You personally have said this isn't about politics, but many of your posts could lead one to reasonably conclude otherwise (that Benghazi IS really just about politics, not human lives) which is precisely why I challenged you on that statement. If it's not about politics, people need to stop making it about politics...
I hope that your comments are meant sincerely, and that you do in fact view this issue as being about human lives and not about politics. Too many on the right and left have failed and are failing to do that, on this and many, many other issues.
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I never considered other Americans as my enemy but since being on TMT I see how that could be. When I first came on here I was shocked by the post on here. I had never been on a political forum till this one and have never heard such disrespectful discussions. The name calling and the rudeness is sometime just plain evil. The only reason I stay on here I hate to admitted is I have developed a very bad habit
See but that's exactly what this issue has devolved into. You personally have said this isn't about politics, but many of your posts could lead one to reasonably conclude otherwise (that Benghazi IS really just about politics, not human lives) which is precisely why I challenged you on that statement. If it's not about politics, people need to stop making it about politics...
I hope that your comments are meant sincerely, and that you do in fact view this issue as being about human lives and not about politics. Too many on the right and left have failed and are failing to do that, on this and many, many other issues.
I may sound out of line here but how could anybody say politics is not an issue in this ?
to me it sounds like a political statement from start to finish....maybe I'm wrong but it's just how I see the whole mess.
yesterday huckabee said that he believes that obama will not serve out his entire term because of benghazi.
we shall see.
this is all about hamstringing hillary because no republican can beat her in an election.
and the funny thing is, this is not going to damage hillary because most reasonable people see these hearings for the farce that they are.
nothing sticks to Clintons anyway...blue dresses on the other hand...
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yesterday huckabee said that he believes that obama will not serve out his entire term because of benghazi.
we shall see.
this is all about hamstringing hillary because no republican can beat her in an election.
and the funny thing is, this is not going to damage hillary because most reasonable people see these hearings for the farce that they are.
he's our first black president he will finish his term but history will tell of this mess and he will have that to live with if is wrong or wright, his and Hillary's cross to bare.
I'm not reading all this.....all I know as a Utahn is.....jason chaffetz is a pussy ass chicken hawk who has no business nor credentials to be grilling anybody on anything.....except for maybe pyramid schemes....because that's what he did before he went to DC.
If I had known then what I know now...
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They've caught and charged those responsible for setting that fire that killed the ambassador and his aide?
Wow , I thought this would have been ALL OVER The news.
Where the fuck are these guys when it comes to THIS issue?
As far as I'm concerned, this is the only real issue in this. Are these guys caught and being tried. Anything else is political bullshit.
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yesterday huckabee said that he believes that obama will not serve out his entire term because of benghazi.
we shall see.
this is all about hamstringing hillary because no republican can beat her in an election.
and the funny thing is, this is not going to damage hillary because most reasonable people see these hearings for the farce that they are.
he's our first black president he will finish his term but history will tell of this mess and he will have that to live with if is wrong or wright, his and Hillary's cross to bare.
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i am sorry, they are not going to hang the deaths of 4 people around obama's neck. people are gonna forget this because in the end it does not matter. people can not equate the deaths of 4 people to the hundreds of thousands caused by the former president. bushco lied about pat tillman's death. i am pissed about that, but i am not calling for an investigation into it.
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yesterday huckabee said that he believes that obama will not serve out his entire term because of benghazi.
we shall see.
this is all about hamstringing hillary because no republican can beat her in an election.
and the funny thing is, this is not going to damage hillary because most reasonable people see these hearings for the farce that they are.
he's our first black president he will finish his term but history will tell of this mess and he will have that to live with if is wrong or wright, his and Hillary's cross to bare.
Godfather.
i am sorry, they are not going to hang the deaths of 4 people around obama's neck. people are gonna forget this because in the end it does not matter. people can not equate the deaths of 4 people to the hundreds of thousands caused by the former president. bushco lied about pat tillman's death. i am pissed about that, but i am not calling for an investigation into it.
I see your point but it happened on obama's watch and that's what history will tell, and you're right people do forget quickly but if Hillary runs for the big house I'm sure her oppenets will use this aginst here but like you say in time this will all be forgotton by most.
I may sound out of line here but how could anybody say politics is not an issue in this ?
to me it sounds like a political statement from start to finish....maybe I'm wrong but it's just how I see the whole mess.
Godfather.
What I'm getting at is: if people believe that there is something unique about liberal politicians (i.e. Obama, Clinton etc) or liberalism/DFL politics (i.e. some ideological flaw in their thinking that leads to specific features of their governance) that led to this tragedy, then they need to start saying so.
I've pressed certain posters about this, because I suspect that this is "about politics" in the sense that it's really just about who's watch this tragedy happened on. Republican critics continue to string about arguments that this is somehow Obama or Clinton's fault, which is shorthand for saying, "there's some deficiency about Democrats and while Democrats are in office, this type of thing will happen" (which is a corollary of the GOP's re-election campaigns over the years, which have suggested that terrorists would be happy if Democrats win). If there is something about Obama or Clinton or Democrats that led to this incident, then the critics need to start filling in the blanks so we can move past unwarranted insinuation and suggestion, and start having a meaningful debate about the merits or demerits of a given political persuasion.
As it stands, the right is taking potshots at a tragedy and using four dead Americans as a means to attack a president they don't like, while failing to do or, worse, refusing to do the heavy lifting of explaining why this tragedy results from that president's traits of leadership or acts in office. In short, it's the worst, laziest kind of arm-chair politicking, and bad for a country already too entrenched against one another.
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I may sound out of line here but how could anybody say politics is not an issue in this ?
to me it sounds like a political statement from start to finish....maybe I'm wrong but it's just how I see the whole mess.
Godfather.
What I'm getting at is: if people believe that there is something unique about liberal politicians (i.e. Obama, Clinton etc) or liberalism/DFL politics (i.e. some ideological flaw in their thinking that leads to specific features of their governance) that led to this tragedy, then they need to start saying so.
I've pressed certain posters about this, because I suspect that this is "about politics" in the sense that it's really just about who's watch this tragedy happened on. Republican critics continue to string about arguments that this is somehow Obama or Clinton's fault, which is shorthand for saying, "there's some deficiency about Democrats and while Democrats are in office, this type of thing will happen" (which is a corollary of the GOP's re-election campaigns over the years, which have suggested that terrorists would be happy if Democrats win). If there is something about Obama or Clinton or Democrats that led to this incident, then the critics need to start filling in the blanks so we can move past unwarranted insinuation and suggestion, and start having a meaningful debate about the merits or demerits of a given political persuasion.
As it stands, the right is taking potshots at a tragedy and using four dead Americans as a means to attack a president they don't like, while failing to do or, worse, refusing to do the heavy lifting of explaining why this tragedy results from that president's traits of leadership or acts in office. In short, it's the worst, laziest kind of arm-chair politicking, and bad for a country already too entrenched against one another.
thank you for the great reply, I wish I could say who's fault this was if was anybodys,many people in the middle east hate Americans and I honestly don't know if because of the actions of Obama and Hillary(what ever those may have been ?) or just a long standing hate that goes back for generations ? do any of us really know ? and as far as the pot shots from the right using this as a means to attack Obama and Hillary it's all part of the political game for one side or the other to gain some kind of advantage with voters or just a good excuse to try and oust Obama...politions on both side do the same thing and all it does is cheapin the political arena in my opinion (now who do we trust ?) but as I said in an earlier post this will be said by history as happening on Obama's watch and when backed into a corner I'll bet even Hillary would point the finger of blame at Obama to clear herself ,not saying that would be true but I think she would throw him under the bus to save herself but not until after his term has ended, my guess at it anyway.
The President brought this on himself when he let Rice lie and say there was a protest.....knowing along it was not....then the lies snowballed...and watching the hearings .... now we find out the higher ups did not want us to know any truth as they told some not to talk......and they demoted a guy they had commended until he questioned the tactics Obama and Hilary were using to investigate this tragedy...how do you get answers when no one is allowed to testify...this President will not take responsibility for his action and neither will Hilary.....no integrity at all......I am surprised he didn't try to blame it on Bush....it might surprise people but the families of those that died want answers and they deserve them........eight months is not long enough for them to forget about there loved ones.....
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The President brought this on himself when he let Rice lie and say there was a protest.....knowing along it was not....then the lies snowballed...and watching the hearings .... now we find out the higher ups did not want us to know any truth as they told some not to talk......and they demoted a guy they had commended until he questioned the tactics Obama and Hilary were using to investigate this tragedy...how do you get answers when no one is allowed to testify...this President will not take responsibility for his action and neither will Hilary.....no integrity at all......I am surprised he didn't try to blame it on Bush....it might surprise people but the families of those that died want answers and they deserve them........eight months is not long enough for them to forget about there loved ones.....
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I don't know... but, it sounds like someone has a real boner for Benghazi.
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The President brought this on himself when he let Rice lie and say there was a protest.....knowing along it was not....then the lies snowballed...and watching the hearings .... now we find out the higher ups did not want us to know any truth as they told some not to talk......and they demoted a guy they had commended until he questioned the tactics Obama and Hilary were using to investigate this tragedy...how do you get answers when no one is allowed to testify...this President will not take responsibility for his action and neither will Hilary.....no integrity at all......I am surprised he didn't try to blame it on Bush....it might surprise people but the families of those that died want answers and they deserve them........eight months is not long enough for them to forget about there loved ones.....
So let me ask you Ariel and godfather, what did bush do WRONG? Did he do ANYTHING wrong? He had 8 years in office, I'd really love to hear what you 2 bush lovers think he did wrong.... :corn:
The President brought this on himself when he let Rice lie and say there was a protest.....knowing along it was not....then the lies snowballed...and watching the hearings .... now we find out the higher ups did not want us to know any truth as they told some not to talk......and they demoted a guy they had commended until he questioned the tactics Obama and Hilary were using to investigate this tragedy...how do you get answers when no one is allowed to testify...this President will not take responsibility for his action and neither will Hilary.....no integrity at all......I am surprised he didn't try to blame it on Bush....it might surprise people but the families of those that died want answers and they deserve them........eight months is not long enough for them to forget about there loved ones.....
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I don't know... but, it sounds like someone has a real boner for Benghazi.
The Republican inquisition over the attacks against Americans in Benghazi has never really gone away, but it appears as though in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing and the House Oversight Committee's Benghazi hearings this week there are renewed psycho-histrionics over Benghazi.
Lindsey Graham and Fox News Channel in particular are each crapping their cages over new allegations from an alleged whistleblower, while they continue to deal in previously debunked falsehoods about the sequence of events during and following the attacks. Fox News is predictably helming the biggest raft of hooey on the situation -- turning its attention to Hillary Clinton in an abundantly obvious early move to stymie her presidential run before it even begins.
So I thought I'd revisit some territory I covered back in October as a bit of a refresher -- especially since it appears as if no one, including and especially the traditional press, intends to ask any of these obnoxious, opportunistic liars about why they're so obsessed by this one attack yet they entirely ignored the dozen-plus consulate/embassy attacks that occurred when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were allegedly "keeping us safe."
The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they're being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.
June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.
October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.
February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.
May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.
July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.
December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.
March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)
September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.
January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.
March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.
July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.
September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
A few observations about this timeline. My initial list was quoted from an article on the Daily Kos which actually contained several errors and only 11 attacks (the above timeline contains all 13 attacks). Also, my list above doesn't include the numerous and fatal attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad during the Iraq war -- a war that was vocally supported by Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Fox News Channel.
Speaking of Graham, I ran a search on each attack along with the name "Lindsey Graham" in the hopes of discovering that Graham had perhaps commented about the attacks or raised some questions about why the administration didn't prevent the attacks or respond accordingly to prevent additional embassy attacks. No results. Of course. Now, this could mean the search wasn't exhaustive enough. But one thing's for sure: neither Graham nor any of his cohorts launched a crusade against the Bush administration and the State Department in any of those cases -- no one did, including the congressional Democrats, by the way.
This leads us to the ultimate point here. Not only have numerous sources previously debunked the Benghazi information being peddled by the Republicans and Fox News (for example, contrary to what the Republicans are saying, yes, reinforcements did in fact arrive before the attack on the CIA compound), but none of these people raised a single word of protest when, for example, American embassies in Yemen and Pakistan were attacked numerous times. Why didn't the Bush administration do something to secure the compounds after the first attacks? Why didn't he provide additional security?
Where was your inquest after the Karachi attacks, Mr. Graham? Where were you after the Sana'a attacks, Mr. Hannity? What about all of the embassy attacks in Iraq that I didn't even list here, Mr. McCain? Do you realize how many people died in attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates when Bush was supposedly keeping us safe, Mr. Ailes? Just once I'd like to hear David Gregory or George Stephanopoulos or Wolf Blitzer ask a Republican member of Congress about the above timeline and why they said nothing at the time of each attack. Just once.
Nearly every accusation being issued about Benghazi could've been raised about the Bush-era attacks, and yet these self-proclaimed truth-seekers refused to, in their words, undermine the commander-in-chief while troops were in harm's way (a line they repeated over and over again during those years).
So we're only left to conclude the obvious. The investigations and accusations and conspiracy theories are entirely motivated by politics and a strategy to escalate this to an impeachment trial. In doing so, the Republicans have the opportunity not only to crush the president's second term, but also to sabotage the potential for a Hillary Clinton presidency.
Even if they never arrive at that goal, they have in their possession a cudgel formed of horseshit -- a means of flogging the current administration with the singularly effective Republican marketing/noise machine, including the conservative entertainment complex. Very seldom does this machine fail to revise history and distort the truth. Ultimately, they don't even need a full-blown impeachment proceeding when they have a population of way too many truthers and automatons who take all of these lies at face value -- not to mention dubiously sourced chunks of "truth" proffered by radio and cable news conspiracy theorists who, if nothing else, are masters at telling angry conservatives precisely what they want to hear: that the probably-Muslim president is weak on terrorism. And so they'll keep repeating "Benghazi-Gate, Benghazi-Gate, Benghazi-Gate!" without any regard for history or reality. Like always.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The Republican inquisition over the attacks against Americans in Benghazi has never really gone away, but it appears as though in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing and the House Oversight Committee's Benghazi hearings this week there are renewed psycho-histrionics over Benghazi.
Lindsey Graham and Fox News Channel in particular are each crapping their cages over new allegations from an alleged whistleblower, while they continue to deal in previously debunked falsehoods about the sequence of events during and following the attacks. Fox News is predictably helming the biggest raft of hooey on the situation -- turning its attention to Hillary Clinton in an abundantly obvious early move to stymie her presidential run before it even begins.
So I thought I'd revisit some territory I covered back in October as a bit of a refresher -- especially since it appears as if no one, including and especially the traditional press, intends to ask any of these obnoxious, opportunistic liars about why they're so obsessed by this one attack yet they entirely ignored the dozen-plus consulate/embassy attacks that occurred when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were allegedly "keeping us safe."
The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they're being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.
June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.
October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.
February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.
May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.
July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.
December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.
March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)
September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.
January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.
March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.
July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.
September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
A few observations about this timeline. My initial list was quoted from an article on the Daily Kos which actually contained several errors and only 11 attacks (the above timeline contains all 13 attacks). Also, my list above doesn't include the numerous and fatal attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad during the Iraq war -- a war that was vocally supported by Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Fox News Channel.
Speaking of Graham, I ran a search on each attack along with the name "Lindsey Graham" in the hopes of discovering that Graham had perhaps commented about the attacks or raised some questions about why the administration didn't prevent the attacks or respond accordingly to prevent additional embassy attacks. No results. Of course. Now, this could mean the search wasn't exhaustive enough. But one thing's for sure: neither Graham nor any of his cohorts launched a crusade against the Bush administration and the State Department in any of those cases -- no one did, including the congressional Democrats, by the way.
This leads us to the ultimate point here. Not only have numerous sources previously debunked the Benghazi information being peddled by the Republicans and Fox News (for example, contrary to what the Republicans are saying, yes, reinforcements did in fact arrive before the attack on the CIA compound), but none of these people raised a single word of protest when, for example, American embassies in Yemen and Pakistan were attacked numerous times. Why didn't the Bush administration do something to secure the compounds after the first attacks? Why didn't he provide additional security?
Where was your inquest after the Karachi attacks, Mr. Graham? Where were you after the Sana'a attacks, Mr. Hannity? What about all of the embassy attacks in Iraq that I didn't even list here, Mr. McCain? Do you realize how many people died in attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates when Bush was supposedly keeping us safe, Mr. Ailes? Just once I'd like to hear David Gregory or George Stephanopoulos or Wolf Blitzer ask a Republican member of Congress about the above timeline and why they said nothing at the time of each attack. Just once.
Nearly every accusation being issued about Benghazi could've been raised about the Bush-era attacks, and yet these self-proclaimed truth-seekers refused to, in their words, undermine the commander-in-chief while troops were in harm's way (a line they repeated over and over again during those years).
So we're only left to conclude the obvious. The investigations and accusations and conspiracy theories are entirely motivated by politics and a strategy to escalate this to an impeachment trial. In doing so, the Republicans have the opportunity not only to crush the president's second term, but also to sabotage the potential for a Hillary Clinton presidency.
Even if they never arrive at that goal, they have in their possession a cudgel formed of horseshit -- a means of flogging the current administration with the singularly effective Republican marketing/noise machine, including the conservative entertainment complex. Very seldom does this machine fail to revise history and distort the truth. Ultimately, they don't even need a full-blown impeachment proceeding when they have a population of way too many truthers and automatons who take all of these lies at face value -- not to mention dubiously sourced chunks of "truth" proffered by radio and cable news conspiracy theorists who, if nothing else, are masters at telling angry conservatives precisely what they want to hear: that the probably-Muslim president is weak on terrorism. And so they'll keep repeating "Benghazi-Gate, Benghazi-Gate, Benghazi-Gate!" without any regard for history or reality. Like always.
Thanks for the posting Rod. I'm gonna go look for all those posts Ariel and godfather started involving ALL these things that happened under Bush. :roll:
Thanks for the posting Rod. I'm gonna go look for all those posts Ariel and godfather started involving ALL these things that happened under Bush. :roll:
save your time. there weren't any.
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The President brought this on himself when he let Rice lie and say there was a protest.....knowing along it was not....then the lies snowballed...and watching the hearings .... now we find out the higher ups did not want us to know any truth as they told some not to talk......and they demoted a guy they had commended until he questioned the tactics Obama and Hilary were using to investigate this tragedy...how do you get answers when no one is allowed to testify...this President will not take responsibility for his action and neither will Hilary.....no integrity at all......I am surprised he didn't try to blame it on Bush....it might surprise people but the families of those that died want answers and they deserve them........eight months is not long enough for them to forget about there loved ones.....
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I don't know... but, it sounds like someone has a real boner for Benghazi.
And a boner for Bush.....
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I don't know... Benghazi in a tight pencil skirt... sooooo sexy.
George W. Bush in a tight pencil skirt... hmmmm...
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Okay... Point taken.
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Benghazi is purely a Partisan Political Bullshit-A-Palooza.
Here's proof:
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
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No one said a word about it.
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Benghazi is purely a Partisan Political Bullshit-A-Palooza.
Here's proof:
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
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No one said a word about it.
sure they did, they called it the war on terror and it encompassed every single bad thing that happened for those 6 years.
That's some of what the republicans wanted. Call it terrorism, not a spontaneous attack based on a video.
but chasing after denied security and all that is silly, you can do it every where all the time...that is where the saying hind sight is 20/20 comes from.
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sure they did, they called it the war on terror and it encompassed every single bad thing that happened for those 6 years.
That's some of what the republicans wanted. Call it terrorism, not a spontaneous attack based on a video.
but chasing after denied security and all that is silly, you can do it every where all the time...that is where the saying hind sight is 20/20 comes from.
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Point taken.
The thing I see with Benghazi is the fanaticism taken on by some. Granted, that 'some' are the ones out there in the fringe, but the wild-eyed, 'Take up your pitchforks and torches and march to the monsters house and kill him' is kind of ridiculous.
The fact is, bad shit happens in fucked up places. Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen... bad shit happens at those places. Does it mean we spend millions of tax dollars to make those embassies and consulates fortresses?
Let the Congressional hearing take place... gather the facts and give us the truth.
Yes... it is a terrible tragedy and probably based upon a series of events that define the fucked-upped-ness of Washington, in general. But, we have endured greater tragedies... and in recent history.
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sure they did, they called it the war on terror and it encompassed every single bad thing that happened for those 6 years.
That's some of what the republicans wanted. Call it terrorism, not a spontaneous attack based on a video.
but chasing after denied security and all that is silly, you can do it every where all the time...that is where the saying hind sight is 20/20 comes from.
...
Point taken.
The thing I see with Benghazi is the fanaticism taken on by some. Granted, that 'some' are the ones out there in the fringe, but the wild-eyed, 'Take up your pitchforks and torches and march to the monsters house and kill him' is kind of ridiculous.
The fact is, bad shit happens in fucked up places. Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen... bad shit happens at those places. Does it mean we spend millions of tax dollars to make those embassies and consulates fortresses?
Let the Congressional hearing take place... gather the facts and give us the truth.
Yes... it is a terrible tragedy and probably based upon a series of events that define the fucked-upped-ness of Washington, in general. But, we have endured greater tragedies... and in recent history.
I just wish people would put their obvious overflowing wealth of energy into American self examination (evaluation). If people really wanted the truth about this, I cannot imagine they don't want the truth about how bills get passed that basically take away the right to sue a company (looking at you monsanto) Know one wants to find out that truth...unless of course it is the other teams player
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I just wish people would put their obvious overflowing wealth of energy into American self examination (evaluation). If people really wanted the truth about this, I cannot imagine they don't want the truth about how bills get passed that basically take away the right to sue a company (looking at you monsanto) Know one wants to find out that truth...unless of course it is the other teams player
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Which explains the fevered pitch that some people are bulldogging this Benghazi thing... it is completely motivated by political partisanship.
For example, had this happened on President Mitt Romney's watch... does anyone really believe that Benghazi would as be a big thing as it is?
Only those wacko leftists out on the fringes would be acting all crazy and shit. The rest of us would prioritize our countries problems and understand that Benghazi is in motherfucking Libya... an all around fucked up place that is even more fucked up because there is currently an internal power vaccuum going on.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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See but that's exactly what this issue has devolved into. You personally have said this isn't about politics, but many of your posts could lead one to reasonably conclude otherwise (that Benghazi IS really just about politics, not human lives) which is precisely why I challenged you on that statement. If it's not about politics, people need to stop making it about politics...
I hope that your comments are meant sincerely, and that you do in fact view this issue as being about human lives and not about politics. Too many on the right and left have failed and are failing to do that, on this and many, many other issues.
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I may sound out of line here but how could anybody say politics is not an issue in this ?
to me it sounds like a political statement from start to finish....maybe I'm wrong but it's just how I see the whole mess.
Godfather.
we shall see.
this is all about hamstringing hillary because no republican can beat her in an election.
and the funny thing is, this is not going to damage hillary because most reasonable people see these hearings for the farce that they are.
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nothing sticks to Clintons anyway...blue dresses on the other hand...
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he's our first black president he will finish his term but history will tell of this mess and he will have that to live with if is wrong or wright, his and Hillary's cross to bare.
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They've caught and charged those responsible for setting that fire that killed the ambassador and his aide?
Wow , I thought this would have been ALL OVER The news.
Where the fuck are these guys when it comes to THIS issue?
As far as I'm concerned, this is the only real issue in this. Are these guys caught and being tried. Anything else is political bullshit.
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I see your point but it happened on obama's watch and that's what history will tell, and you're right people do forget quickly but if Hillary runs for the big house I'm sure her oppenets will use this aginst here but like you say in time this will all be forgotton by most.
Godfather.
What I'm getting at is: if people believe that there is something unique about liberal politicians (i.e. Obama, Clinton etc) or liberalism/DFL politics (i.e. some ideological flaw in their thinking that leads to specific features of their governance) that led to this tragedy, then they need to start saying so.
I've pressed certain posters about this, because I suspect that this is "about politics" in the sense that it's really just about who's watch this tragedy happened on. Republican critics continue to string about arguments that this is somehow Obama or Clinton's fault, which is shorthand for saying, "there's some deficiency about Democrats and while Democrats are in office, this type of thing will happen" (which is a corollary of the GOP's re-election campaigns over the years, which have suggested that terrorists would be happy if Democrats win). If there is something about Obama or Clinton or Democrats that led to this incident, then the critics need to start filling in the blanks so we can move past unwarranted insinuation and suggestion, and start having a meaningful debate about the merits or demerits of a given political persuasion.
As it stands, the right is taking potshots at a tragedy and using four dead Americans as a means to attack a president they don't like, while failing to do or, worse, refusing to do the heavy lifting of explaining why this tragedy results from that president's traits of leadership or acts in office. In short, it's the worst, laziest kind of arm-chair politicking, and bad for a country already too entrenched against one another.
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thank you for the great reply, I wish I could say who's fault this was if was anybodys,many people in the middle east hate Americans and I honestly don't know if because of the actions of Obama and Hillary(what ever those may have been ?) or just a long standing hate that goes back for generations ? do any of us really know ? and as far as the pot shots from the right using this as a means to attack Obama and Hillary it's all part of the political game for one side or the other to gain some kind of advantage with voters or just a good excuse to try and oust Obama...politions on both side do the same thing and all it does is cheapin the political arena in my opinion (now who do we trust ?) but as I said in an earlier post this will be said by history as happening on Obama's watch and when backed into a corner I'll bet even Hillary would point the finger of blame at Obama to clear herself ,not saying that would be true but I think she would throw him under the bus to save herself but not until after his term has ended, my guess at it anyway.
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I don't know... but, it sounds like someone has a real boner for Benghazi.
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So let me ask you Ariel and godfather, what did bush do WRONG? Did he do ANYTHING wrong? He had 8 years in office, I'd really love to hear what you 2 bush lovers think he did wrong.... :corn:
And a boner for Bush.....
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The Republican inquisition over the attacks against Americans in Benghazi has never really gone away, but it appears as though in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing and the House Oversight Committee's Benghazi hearings this week there are renewed psycho-histrionics over Benghazi.
Lindsey Graham and Fox News Channel in particular are each crapping their cages over new allegations from an alleged whistleblower, while they continue to deal in previously debunked falsehoods about the sequence of events during and following the attacks. Fox News is predictably helming the biggest raft of hooey on the situation -- turning its attention to Hillary Clinton in an abundantly obvious early move to stymie her presidential run before it even begins.
So I thought I'd revisit some territory I covered back in October as a bit of a refresher -- especially since it appears as if no one, including and especially the traditional press, intends to ask any of these obnoxious, opportunistic liars about why they're so obsessed by this one attack yet they entirely ignored the dozen-plus consulate/embassy attacks that occurred when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were allegedly "keeping us safe."
The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they're being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.
June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.
October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.
February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.
May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.
July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.
December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.
March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)
September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.
January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.
March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.
July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.
September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
A few observations about this timeline. My initial list was quoted from an article on the Daily Kos which actually contained several errors and only 11 attacks (the above timeline contains all 13 attacks). Also, my list above doesn't include the numerous and fatal attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad during the Iraq war -- a war that was vocally supported by Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Fox News Channel.
Speaking of Graham, I ran a search on each attack along with the name "Lindsey Graham" in the hopes of discovering that Graham had perhaps commented about the attacks or raised some questions about why the administration didn't prevent the attacks or respond accordingly to prevent additional embassy attacks. No results. Of course. Now, this could mean the search wasn't exhaustive enough. But one thing's for sure: neither Graham nor any of his cohorts launched a crusade against the Bush administration and the State Department in any of those cases -- no one did, including the congressional Democrats, by the way.
This leads us to the ultimate point here. Not only have numerous sources previously debunked the Benghazi information being peddled by the Republicans and Fox News (for example, contrary to what the Republicans are saying, yes, reinforcements did in fact arrive before the attack on the CIA compound), but none of these people raised a single word of protest when, for example, American embassies in Yemen and Pakistan were attacked numerous times. Why didn't the Bush administration do something to secure the compounds after the first attacks? Why didn't he provide additional security?
Where was your inquest after the Karachi attacks, Mr. Graham? Where were you after the Sana'a attacks, Mr. Hannity? What about all of the embassy attacks in Iraq that I didn't even list here, Mr. McCain? Do you realize how many people died in attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates when Bush was supposedly keeping us safe, Mr. Ailes? Just once I'd like to hear David Gregory or George Stephanopoulos or Wolf Blitzer ask a Republican member of Congress about the above timeline and why they said nothing at the time of each attack. Just once.
Nearly every accusation being issued about Benghazi could've been raised about the Bush-era attacks, and yet these self-proclaimed truth-seekers refused to, in their words, undermine the commander-in-chief while troops were in harm's way (a line they repeated over and over again during those years).
So we're only left to conclude the obvious. The investigations and accusations and conspiracy theories are entirely motivated by politics and a strategy to escalate this to an impeachment trial. In doing so, the Republicans have the opportunity not only to crush the president's second term, but also to sabotage the potential for a Hillary Clinton presidency.
Even if they never arrive at that goal, they have in their possession a cudgel formed of horseshit -- a means of flogging the current administration with the singularly effective Republican marketing/noise machine, including the conservative entertainment complex. Very seldom does this machine fail to revise history and distort the truth. Ultimately, they don't even need a full-blown impeachment proceeding when they have a population of way too many truthers and automatons who take all of these lies at face value -- not to mention dubiously sourced chunks of "truth" proffered by radio and cable news conspiracy theorists who, if nothing else, are masters at telling angry conservatives precisely what they want to hear: that the probably-Muslim president is weak on terrorism. And so they'll keep repeating "Benghazi-Gate, Benghazi-Gate, Benghazi-Gate!" without any regard for history or reality. Like always.
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Thanks for the posting Rod. I'm gonna go look for all those posts Ariel and godfather started involving ALL these things that happened under Bush. :roll:
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I don't know... Benghazi in a tight pencil skirt... sooooo sexy.
George W. Bush in a tight pencil skirt... hmmmm...
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Okay... Point taken.
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Benghazi is purely a Partisan Political Bullshit-A-Palooza.
Here's proof:
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
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No one said a word about it.
Hail, Hail!!!
sure they did, they called it the war on terror and it encompassed every single bad thing that happened for those 6 years.
That's some of what the republicans wanted. Call it terrorism, not a spontaneous attack based on a video.
but chasing after denied security and all that is silly, you can do it every where all the time...that is where the saying hind sight is 20/20 comes from.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Point taken.
The thing I see with Benghazi is the fanaticism taken on by some. Granted, that 'some' are the ones out there in the fringe, but the wild-eyed, 'Take up your pitchforks and torches and march to the monsters house and kill him' is kind of ridiculous.
The fact is, bad shit happens in fucked up places. Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen... bad shit happens at those places. Does it mean we spend millions of tax dollars to make those embassies and consulates fortresses?
Let the Congressional hearing take place... gather the facts and give us the truth.
Yes... it is a terrible tragedy and probably based upon a series of events that define the fucked-upped-ness of Washington, in general. But, we have endured greater tragedies... and in recent history.
Hail, Hail!!!
I just wish people would put their obvious overflowing wealth of energy into American self examination (evaluation). If people really wanted the truth about this, I cannot imagine they don't want the truth about how bills get passed that basically take away the right to sue a company (looking at you monsanto) Know one wants to find out that truth...unless of course it is the other teams player
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I am sure Aerial and Godfather want to get to the TRUTH!
Which explains the fevered pitch that some people are bulldogging this Benghazi thing... it is completely motivated by political partisanship.
For example, had this happened on President Mitt Romney's watch... does anyone really believe that Benghazi would as be a big thing as it is?
Only those wacko leftists out on the fringes would be acting all crazy and shit. The rest of us would prioritize our countries problems and understand that Benghazi is in motherfucking Libya... an all around fucked up place that is even more fucked up because there is currently an internal power vaccuum going on.
Hail, Hail!!!
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