Gun owner stops rampage

Hugh Freaking Dillon

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

What a person does in their own home, own their own property, is not for me to judge or care. That's what makes this a great country, people have freedom's that most through out the world do not. How a person stores their firearms in their own home is for no one to say but themselves. The whole responsible/irresponsible debate is truly a pointless one because those definitions are different to everyone and it's not the governments place or right to decide. I've been getting more and more fed up when I hear people talk about how the government should be more in control on how we live our lives. Any more liberties get taken away and we'll be just like the majority of the countries in this world which doesn't sound so great to me. I enjoy freedom and I have and would fight for those freedoms again.

i think the vast majority of posters on this forum from countries outside of the us would take issue with your assertion that we have more freedoms than they do. it just is not true.

yeah, being from Canada, that one kinda made me laugh. free countries actually are the norm, not the exception.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Oh it's true. We can go buy an semi-automatic rifle...most of them cannot...

you see that as freedom. most of the rest of the people like me view that as unnecessary, but hey, whatever gets ya aroused i guess. i would probably just buy a hummer or a monster truck or a massive cod piece and call it good...

JonnyPistachio

RustyShackelford wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

But frankly, it is none of your god damn business how i store my firearms in my own house.

You've been level headed through all this discussion and I've appreciated your openness and dialog, so why all of a sudden get so defensive? weird. Its a discussion and the question is relevant. Good grief man.

What a person does in their own home, own their own property, is not for me to judge or care. That's what makes this a great country, people have freedom's that most through out the world do not. How a person stores their firearms in their own home is for no one to say but themselves. The whole responsible/irresponsible debate is truly a pointless one because those definitions are different to everyone and it's not the governments place or right to decide. I've been getting more and more fed up when I hear people talk about how the government should be more in control on how we live our lives. Any more liberties get taken away and we'll be just like the majority of the countries in this world which doesn't sound so great to me. I enjoy freedom and I have and would fight for those freedoms again.

Hey, What a person does in their own home, own their own property, is not for me to judge or care.. I agree. Again, it has to do with the discussion though. If I had guns and someone asked me how I store them in a gun debate, I'd be more than willing to tell them I had a safe and they're locked up, or its under my pillow, etc.. Ok, no big deal.. But personally, I think how people store their weapons is a huge point of contention when it comes to gun safety. I hear way too many stories of law abiding citizens letting their kids kill each other accidentally, so I am concerned, but I know I cannot tell anyone whether or not to put their AR-15 under their pillow or not. I like to hear how people store their guns, and I am sometimes guilty of judging them. I have a very good friend who has several firearms and is NOT very responsible (and he has KIDS!), but its not my place to say shit. But if he wants to debate gun safety with me, he's got another thing coming..

Point is, if you're here in this thread and going to debate guns and safety, dont get all bent out of shape if someone wants to know where you're coming from.

RustyShackelford

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

What a person does in their own home, own their own property, is not for me to judge or care. That's what makes this a great country, people have freedom's that most through out the world do not. How a person stores their firearms in their own home is for no one to say but themselves. The whole responsible/irresponsible debate is truly a pointless one because those definitions are different to everyone and it's not the governments place or right to decide. I've been getting more and more fed up when I hear people talk about how the government should be more in control on how we live our lives. Any more liberties get taken away and we'll be just like the majority of the countries in this world which doesn't sound so great to me. I enjoy freedom and I have and would fight for those freedoms again.

i think the vast majority of posters on this forum from countries outside of the us would take issue with your assertion that we have more freedoms than they do. it just is not true.

yeah, being from Canada, that one kinda made me laugh. free countries actually are the norm, not the exception.

Free countries are the norm and do you know why. Wars. When those freedoms in countries comes into question where do they turn...America. Without American intervention in WWII what would Europe look like today? Egypt doesn't seem to have a problem accepting American money right now. Syria rebels seem to be enjoying our weapons...

gimmesometruth27

RustyShackelford wrote:

Free countries are the norm and do you know why. Wars. When those freedoms in countries comes into question where do they turn...America. Without American intervention in WWII what would Europe look like today? Egypt doesn't seem to have a problem accepting American money right now. Syria rebels seem to be enjoying our weapons...

it always cracks me up when americans spout off about world war II. they always seem to forget that had it not been for france they most likely would still be a collection of colonies.

riotgrl

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Free countries are the norm and do you know why. Wars. When those freedoms in countries comes into question where do they turn...America. Without American intervention in WWII what would Europe look like today? Egypt doesn't seem to have a problem accepting American money right now. Syria rebels seem to be enjoying our weapons...

it always cracks me up when americans spout off about world war II. they always seem to forget that had it not been for france they most likely would still be a collection of colonies.

I wonder if some Libertarians would still prefer to live under the Articles of Confederation? Legitimate question - anybody?

RustyShackelford

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Free countries are the norm and do you know why. Wars. When those freedoms in countries comes into question where do they turn...America. Without American intervention in WWII what would Europe look like today? Egypt doesn't seem to have a problem accepting American money right now. Syria rebels seem to be enjoying our weapons...

it always cracks me up when americans spout off about world war II. they always seem to forget that had it not been for france they most likely would still be a collection of colonies.

And I applaud France for their efforts, since then however...

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

thank you gimme and I agree. I believe once you stood next to me at a bar... at a preparty.
Handsome man, quiet, you ordered a drink. No one would know from here I'm shy, very shy.
I wanted to say hi, I wish I'd had had the guts... story of my life.

Thank you for your kindness ... I'm very sorry about Nash.

Yes guns, round and round it goes but still the basis so important to many on both sides
why the debate will continue.

i rarely talk to anyone at those preparty things. if the guy you saw was getting a drink it was probably me lol... the people i hang out with at shows are not in 10c so we usually don't know anybody at those things. in person i am quiet as well... i would not have recognized you unless you looked like your avatar

All In all, it's the music that brings us together. Gotta keep that in mind as we debate

Music ... Such a powerful and splendid magic

RustyShackelford

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

thank you gimme and I agree. I believe once you stood next to me at a bar... at a preparty.
Handsome man, quiet, you ordered a drink. No one would know from here I'm shy, very shy.
I wanted to say hi, I wish I'd had had the guts... story of my life.

Thank you for your kindness ... I'm very sorry about Nash.

Yes guns, round and round it goes but still the basis so important to many on both sides
why the debate will continue.

i rarely talk to anyone at those preparty things. if the guy you saw was getting a drink it was probably me lol... the people i hang out with at shows are not in 10c so we usually don't know anybody at those things. in person i am quiet as well... i would not have recognized you unless you looked like your avatar

All In all, it's the music that brings us together. Gotta keep that in mind as we debate

Music ... Such a powerful and splendid magic

:thumbup:

gimmesometruth27

Jason P wrote:

All In all, it's the music that brings us together. Gotta keep that in mind as we debate

Music ... Such a powerful and splendid magic

so true.

catefrances

Godfather. wrote:

the anti gun fanaticsjust don't understand if guns were outlawed that would mean ONLY the public would be bared from owning guns NOT the police,CIA etc.(not to mention criminals)...

I fairly sure that as part of the public, criminals would also be barred from owning firearms.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RustyShackelford wrote:

Free countries are the norm and do you know why. Wars. When those freedoms in countries comes into question where do they turn...America. Without American intervention in WWII what would Europe look like today? Egypt doesn't seem to have a problem accepting American money right now. Syria rebels seem to be enjoying our weapons...

You aren't necessarily wrong about some things, but on occasion you tend to dismiss anything that doesn't work for what you are saying as not relevant. I'm not so sure that's a healthy way to approach a discussion.

If America had not joined the fight in WWII... their flag might look a little different today. All the history books I have read and studied speak of an allied force that emerged victorious.

RustyShackelford

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Free countries are the norm and do you know why. Wars. When those freedoms in countries comes into question where do they turn...America. Without American intervention in WWII what would Europe look like today? Egypt doesn't seem to have a problem accepting American money right now. Syria rebels seem to be enjoying our weapons...

You aren't necessarily wrong about some things, but on occasion you tend to dismiss anything that doesn't work for what you are saying as not relevant. I'm not so sure that's a healthy way to approach a discussion.

If America had not joined the fight in WWII... their flag might look a little different today. All the history books I have read and studied speak of an allied force that emerged victorious.

Come on...and who led the Allied Forces....America!

Now I will have to remove myself from discussion for the remainder of the weekend as I am in Houston for the NRA Convention!

dimitrispearljam

bring doctors...alot of them..and pills..lots of the them..

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I am convinced some among us have evolved into the type of people that purposefully seek to irritate and annoy by uttering statements that are in contrast with common sense and logic. The size of the gap that exists between what they present and the logic that they receive likely yields a corresponding intrinsic reward (the more absurd and the more obvious it ticks people off... the happier one is for their efforts).

It's like small children that we have all observed. One might poke another and giggle... then persistently do it again. Inevitably, the one getting poked gets upset. The 'poker' often still persists: trying to get the same reaction over and over.

So, connecting the dots, some have not learned to play well with others.

Oh I get what you are saying here and agree. You mean like when people use another poster
personally in their posts and then tell them they are just messing with them ...
I have seen that as well. Good thing most posters remain positive and don't incessantly pick
on others.

No. No, you definitely don't get what I am saying here.

It's not a good thing most posters remain positive and don't incessantly pick on others... it's a great thing: a real tribute to the level of patience a human is capable of. To illustrate what I mean... look at some of the posts supporting Mitt Romney (he came close to being your president ) and his unbelievably poor address to those graduating college kids. There are some who read some of the posts saying the speech was awesome and this guy is a great guy which, of course, is obviously ridiculous to say. But the overwhelming majority of this community simply sighs when reading these types of comments instead of attacking such a position that is so easy to do.

Your daughter will love Costa Rica. I backpacked there for a month about 20 years ago- one of the best times of my life. A country with healthcare and public education: bordered by two countries which did not provide those services for their citizens and faced brutal civil wars (some say as a result). Lesson: take care of your people and the people will be at peace.

pandora

RustyShackelford wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Free countries are the norm and do you know why. Wars. When those freedoms in countries comes into question where do they turn...America. Without American intervention in WWII what would Europe look like today? Egypt doesn't seem to have a problem accepting American money right now. Syria rebels seem to be enjoying our weapons...

You aren't necessarily wrong about some things, but on occasion you tend to dismiss anything that doesn't work for what you are saying as not relevant. I'm not so sure that's a healthy way to approach a discussion.

If America had not joined the fight in WWII... their flag might look a little different today. All the history books I have read and studied speak of an allied force that emerged victorious.

Come on...and who led the Allied Forces....America!

Now I will have to remove myself from discussion for the remainder of the weekend as I am in Houston for the NRA Convention!

Oh wish I was...
enjoy!

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Your daughter will love Costa Rica. I backpacked there for a month about 20 years ago- one of the best times of my life. A country with healthcare and public education: bordered by two countries which did not provide those services for their citizens and faced brutal civil wars (some say as a result). Lesson: take care of your people and the people will be at peace.

And take care of the rain forest too and all it's creatures

That sounds wonderful thirty and a whole month...
wow I can see how that would be the time of a lifetime!
wonderful memories for you I'll share with her.

She is very excited! She's a biology major with Associate Degrees in Criminal Justice
and Forensics planning to go into those fields. But I keep hoping she will choose life over death
and find a spark on one of these trips to guide her towards a career with animals or the Earth.
This is where she excels from her heart.

Thanks for sharing your story...
I do like your stories though we find ourselves on other sides of debates.
The human factor hopefully comes through anyways, though we don't agree.

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

thank you gimme and I agree. I believe once you stood next to me at a bar... at a preparty.
Handsome man, quiet, you ordered a drink. No one would know from here I'm shy, very shy.
I wanted to say hi, I wish I'd had had the guts... story of my life.

Thank you for your kindness ... I'm very sorry about Nash.

Yes guns, round and round it goes but still the basis so important to many on both sides
why the debate will continue.

i rarely talk to anyone at those preparty things. if the guy you saw was getting a drink it was probably me lol... the people i hang out with at shows are not in 10c so we usually don't know anybody at those things. in person i am quiet as well... i would not have recognized you unless you looked like your avatar

Yes my avatar no help there and though many wish I would change it,
I probably never will, it's connected to my heart.

I've meant some really wonderful people at the pre parties ...
that party no exception.
I'll try to be braver if our paths cross and the drink is on me!
We'll toast to precious loves like Nash and Charlie and probably be cryin in our beers.

My daughter peeked at your sig yesterday at work...
a great big "ahhhhh Charlie" her immediate reaction. The likeness uncanny.

pandora

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

thank you gimme and I agree. I believe once you stood next to me at a bar... at a preparty.
Handsome man, quiet, you ordered a drink. No one would know from here I'm shy, very shy.
I wanted to say hi, I wish I'd had had the guts... story of my life.

Thank you for your kindness ... I'm very sorry about Nash.

Yes guns, round and round it goes but still the basis so important to many on both sides
why the debate will continue.

i rarely talk to anyone at those preparty things. if the guy you saw was getting a drink it was probably me lol... the people i hang out with at shows are not in 10c so we usually don't know anybody at those things. in person i am quiet as well... i would not have recognized you unless you looked like your avatar

All In all, it's the music that brings us together. Gotta keep that in mind as we debate

Music ... Such a powerful and splendid magic

so very true :thumbup: a magic like no other

gimmesometruth27

RustyShackelford wrote:

Come on...and who led the Allied Forces....America!

Now I will have to remove myself from discussion for the remainder of the weekend as I am in Houston for the NRA Convention!

wrong again. if america were calling the shots for the entire allied forces, why did we not take berlin ourselves? why did we keep our armies from going in and taking the city ourselves? why did we divide berlin after the war?

fact is, there were more countries involved in the allied forces, see, it is FORCES...not force..

this revisionist history and america uber alles shit needs to stop. the descendents of those who did the fighting can not take the credit because they had NOTHING to do with it. the right is trying to rewrite the history during the bush years. you can polish a turd all you want but in the end it is still a turd.

i am looking forward to reading the talking points you come back with.