Gun owner stops rampage

gimmesometruth27

RustyShackelford wrote:

I will never register any of my firearms.

had the law that the senate killed would have passed it would have been a felony to create a gun registry.

now i am all for a national gun registry.

RustyShackelford

riotgrl wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

The only slippery slope I am seeing in regards to guns is not that the guns will be taken away but that we will all become armed without proper training and without proper safety precautions being taken. It is now acceptable in many areas to arm our children to the teeth in order to protect and in order to prove to the government and to the 'anti-gunners' that we are indeed entitled to own whatever gun we want, to take that gun wherever we want and all of this can be done without providing all of the non-criminal, law abiding, non gun owning FELLOW citizens the basic courtesy of showing that you are a responsible gun owner. There is your slippery slope. Not one person on this forum, and from what I have seen many of these fellow forum members would describe themselves as liberals, has said they want a ban on guns. Instead what we are calling for is safe, responsible gun owners that will register their guns that they use for protection or for hunting, to take a class on safe ways to store their guns, and the proper handling of said guns. And we are being unreasonable. No, in fact, it is the pro-gunners that are being unreasonable. Time to quit talking the talk and walk the walk.

I will never register any of my firearms.

Ok, have you taken a gun safety class? Do you properly store your guns? Do you teach your kids (if you have kids) proper gun safety techniques?

Also, do you register your car? Do you get your drivers license? What about your boat, motorcycle, etc? Where is your willingness to compromise? I think most gun control advocates have proven they are willing to compromise what about those of you that are pro-gun?

I've taken safety classes. I was brought up with guns and was taught at a very young age about the dangers of guns and how to properly use and store guns. But frankly, it is none of your god damn business how i store my firearms in my own house. I have no children. I have no reason to make it difficult for myself or my wife to grab a gun in the case of emergency. The last thing I want her to be doing is trying to open the safe when their is an intruder in our home.

You want compromise, fine, make the background checks stronger, doesn't matter to me. I live in a state with a very good and strong background check system. But I will say it again, I will not register my firearms. No compromise on that issue.

riotgrl

RustyShackelford wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

I will never register any of my firearms.

Ok, have you taken a gun safety class? Do you properly store your guns? Do you teach your kids (if you have kids) proper gun safety techniques?

Also, do you register your car? Do you get your drivers license? What about your boat, motorcycle, etc? Where is your willingness to compromise? I think most gun control advocates have proven they are willing to compromise what about those of you that are pro-gun?

I've taken safety classes. I was brought up with guns and was taught at a very young age about the dangers of guns and how to properly use and store guns. But frankly, it is none of your god damn business how i store my firearms in my own house. I have no children. I have no reason to make it difficult for myself or my wife to grab a gun in the case of emergency. The last thing I want her to be doing is trying to open the safe when their is an intruder in our home.

You want compromise, fine, make the background checks stronger, doesn't matter to me. I live in a state with a very good and strong background check system. But I will say it again, I will not register my firearms. No compromise on that issue.

I see no need for you to be hateful. If you don't have kids or don't have kids that visit your house then good on you to sleep with it on your bedside table. There is no where in the 2nd that says we can't have a national registry. The Constitution is vague in many places for a reason. So glad you live in a state with stronger background checks but I do not. In my state, it is legal for my neighbor to take his AR-15 and shoot a fucking mole that is digging holes in his backyard. Glad you are safety minded but not everyone is and this law is not about YOU, it is about all of us. It's called the common good and it is just as important as the 2nd Amendment. You seem to only favor compromise on the behalf of others and not yourself, why is that?

Godfather.

back in the 80's i slept with a 357. mag. long barrel under my pillow..... :shock: yea that was a little extreme

Godfather.

redrock

RustyShackelford wrote:

I have no reason to make it difficult for myself or my wife to grab a gun in the case of emergency. The last thing I want her to be doing is trying to open the safe when their is an intruder in our home. .

So one can assume it is not safely stored: unloaded, under lock and key with ammunition stored separately (general advice on safe storage - even from the NRA). It would seem that this, together with training are essential to be a 'responsible' gun owner.

I understand what you're saying about having to fiddle with two different locked devices to first get gun, then ammo, then needing to load gun when you are confronted with an intruder and you have your guns for 'protection'. Not that much use then... But what you say seems to be a recurrent theme amongst those that need guns for their protection.

Are we to assume then, since these guns that need to be readily available in case of emergency, they are held by irresponsible gun owners as they are not stored safely?? Not having a dig a you personally... just asking in general. We hear so much about being 'responsible' and that seems to be the key of gun ownership.

How does one reconcile 'responsible' with 'gun immediately accessible (and 'ready') in case of emergency?

redrock

Godfather. wrote:

back in the 80's i slept with a 357. mag. long barrel under my pillow..... :shock: yea that was a little extreme

Godfather.

Must have been a bit uncomfortable. Or you had a very thick and fluffy pillow!

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

seriously, legos have restrictions saying not appropriate for kids 3 or under. no such thing with guns.

This is a great point and something that would be a positive law to encourage to be passed.
As I said 5 seemed to young to me... 3 yes there are warnings on toys of all ages.
Guns never a toy, yes, a child must be able to tell the difference.

Your sig now I have mentioned but I haven't said looks so much like our Charlie.
I'm afraid to show it to JB, he'll cry. That is an amazing photo and everything you say
I listen to differently now. The power of positive psychology, I guess. My heart melts.

it is funny how seeing a photo can change an opinion.
i think things would be a lot different around here if we were all debating face to face instead of sitting behind keyboards and avatars.

sorry for your loss of Charlie.

now back to debating guns

Godfather.

redrock wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

back in the 80's i slept with a 357. mag. long barrel under my pillow..... :shock: yea that was a little extreme

Godfather.

Must have been a bit uncomfortable. Or you had a very thick and fluffy pillow!

to this day I can't sleep without 2 pillows.

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I have to say that I have to agree with those that keep their guns loaded and close to them when they sleep. Seriously, what's the point of having one for protection, which I am fine with, if you can't get to it fast enough to protect anyone? I personally wouldn't have one EVER, never mind by my bed side or close by, since I have small kids that can surprise us at any moment during the night, and what if one of them came to us after having a nightmare/needing to pee/etc, saw the gun, picked it up thinking it was a toy, and blew their own head off?

serious non-confrontational question: what do gun owners who keep for protection do with small children in the house? Lock your bedroom door? put it up somewhere they can't reach it?

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I have to say that I have to agree with those that keep their guns loaded and close to them when they sleep. Seriously, what's the point of having one for protection, which I am fine with, if you can't get to it fast enough to protect anyone? I personally wouldn't have one EVER, never mind by my bed side or close by, since I have small kids that can surprise us at any moment during the night, and what if one of them came to us after having a nightmare/needing to pee/etc, saw the gun, picked it up thinking it was a toy, and blew their own head off?

serious non-confrontational question: what do gun owners who keep for protection do with small children in the house? Lock your bedroom door? put it up somewhere they can't reach it?

ammo in one area locked up and hidden and gun locked up and hidden......but a baseball bat right beside my bed. your point with small children is very valid IMO,sense my son was very young my guns were always locked and some sold to gun shop.

Godfather.

redrock

Godfather. wrote:

ammo in one area locked up and hidden and gun locked up and hidden......but a baseball bat right beside my bed. your point with small children is very valid IMO,sense my son was very young my guns were always locked and some sold to gun shop.

Godfather.

Responsible! As long as you don't go mental and run rampage....

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

seriously, legos have restrictions saying not appropriate for kids 3 or under. no such thing with guns.

This is a great point and something that would be a positive law to encourage to be passed.
As I said 5 seemed to young to me... 3 yes there are warnings on toys of all ages.
Guns never a toy, yes, a child must be able to tell the difference.

Your sig now I have mentioned but I haven't said looks so much like our Charlie.
I'm afraid to show it to JB, he'll cry. That is an amazing photo and everything you say
I listen to differently now. The power of positive psychology, I guess. My heart melts.

it is funny how seeing a photo can change an opinion.
i think things would be a lot different around here if we were all debating face to face instead of sitting behind keyboards and avatars.

sorry for your loss of Charlie.

now back to debating guns

thank you gimme and I agree. I believe once you stood next to me at a bar... at a preparty.
Handsome man, quiet, you ordered a drink. No one would know from here I'm shy, very shy.
I wanted to say hi, I wish I'd had had the guts... story of my life.

Thank you for your kindness ... I'm very sorry about Nash.

Yes guns, round and round it goes but still the basis so important to many on both sides
why the debate will continue.

JonnyPistachio

RustyShackelford wrote:

But frankly, it is none of your god damn business how i store my firearms in my own house.

You've been level headed through all this discussion and I've appreciated your openness and dialog, so why all of a sudden get so defensive? weird. Its a discussion and the question is relevant. Good grief man.

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

back in the 80's i slept with a 357. mag. long barrel under my pillow..... :shock: yea that was a little extreme

Godfather.

a little? :P

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

back in the 80's i slept with a 357. mag. long barrel under my pillow..... :shock: yea that was a little extreme

Godfather.

a little? :P

the 80's in lakeside ca. were crazy


Godfather.

RustyShackelford

JonnyPistachio wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

But frankly, it is none of your god damn business how i store my firearms in my own house.

You've been level headed through all this discussion and I've appreciated your openness and dialog, so why all of a sudden get so defensive? weird. Its a discussion and the question is relevant. Good grief man.

What a person does in their own home, own their own property, is not for me to judge or care. That's what makes this a great country, people have freedom's that most through out the world do not. How a person stores their firearms in their own home is for no one to say but themselves. The whole responsible/irresponsible debate is truly a pointless one because those definitions are different to everyone and it's not the governments place or right to decide. I've been getting more and more fed up when I hear people talk about how the government should be more in control on how we live our lives. Any more liberties get taken away and we'll be just like the majority of the countries in this world which doesn't sound so great to me. I enjoy freedom and I have and would fight for those freedoms again.

gimmesometruth27

RustyShackelford wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

But frankly, it is none of your god damn business how i store my firearms in my own house.

You've been level headed through all this discussion and I've appreciated your openness and dialog, so why all of a sudden get so defensive? weird. Its a discussion and the question is relevant. Good grief man.

What a person does in their own home, own their own property, is not for me to judge or care. That's what makes this a great country, people have freedom's that most through out the world do not. How a person stores their firearms in their own home is for no one to say but themselves. The whole responsible/irresponsible debate is truly a pointless one because those definitions are different to everyone and it's not the governments place or right to decide. I've been getting more and more fed up when I hear people talk about how the government should be more in control on how we live our lives. Any more liberties get taken away and we'll be just like the majority of the countries in this world which doesn't sound so great to me. I enjoy freedom and I have and would fight for those freedoms again.

i think the vast majority of posters on this forum from countries outside of the us would take issue with your assertion that we have more freedoms than they do. it just is not true.

RustyShackelford

Oh it's true. We can go buy an semi-automatic rifle...most of them cannot...

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

thank you gimme and I agree. I believe once you stood next to me at a bar... at a preparty.
Handsome man, quiet, you ordered a drink. No one would know from here I'm shy, very shy.
I wanted to say hi, I wish I'd had had the guts... story of my life.

Thank you for your kindness ... I'm very sorry about Nash.

Yes guns, round and round it goes but still the basis so important to many on both sides
why the debate will continue.

i rarely talk to anyone at those preparty things. if the guy you saw was getting a drink it was probably me lol... the people i hang out with at shows are not in 10c so we usually don't know anybody at those things. in person i am quiet as well... i would not have recognized you unless you looked like your avatar

gimmesometruth27

RustyShackelford wrote:

Oh it's true. We can go buy an semi-automatic rifle...most of them cannot...

you see that as freedom. most of the rest of the people like me view that as unnecessary, but hey, whatever gets ya aroused i guess. i would probably just buy a hummer or a monster truck or a massive cod piece and call it good...