Boston Marathon - explosion

dimitrispearljam

JimmyV wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

how??i would love to see people posting how..who has a better plan??

The question has been asked repeatedly. No one has an answer. That says it all.

cos no one is responsible for the safety of the town..
when you seating in your pc its all easy..but when you are a leader for the safety of people and solve a situation that has to do with public safety,..with terorist attacks that dont know if they strike again,
when you have dead kids, people without legs,a city feel fear
well,you must have the balls to make the difficult calls..

unsung

Yeah, it's ok to drag people out of their homes by gunpoint, that they were ordered to stay in. All in the name of keeping them safe. I know what Ben Franklin would say, he would say "fuck that".

lukin2006

Do you people realize that it was a guy who left his house after the lock down ended and noticed his boat cover disturbed and investigated and discovered the guy in his boat? not the authorities ... just saying... you do realize it was the authorities who allow backpacks into places like this? the authorities who are responsible for people safety never considered that someone with a backpack could cause problems?

So as so often happens in these type of events it's civilians who provide the tip that leads to an arrest. So maybe its in societies best interest to avoid lock downs, avoid treating the innocent like criminals and just ask them "to vigilante and report anything suspicious".

After the initial chaos it was also the civilians who are very real hero's here as well ... in most cases it was civilians who were helping/comforting the injured first ... they are the first responders, they choose to stay and help, not because it's their job but because it was the human thing to do.

so I'll reserve my for the civilians ... the one's who selflessly helped injured people and the civilian that noticed that something was not right with his boat and notified the authorities after the lock down ended.

I'll also give to the the police, ems, fire, doctors, nurses who conducted themselves professionally.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Once again, Hugh, while I'm happy we agree strongly with some other things... I'm sorry we cannot see eye-to-eye on this one. It makes no difference to me though. As much as you spoke down to me with this post I have quoted, I still value your thoughts and contributions even though they might be in contrast with mine. I hope we can find each other on more agreeable terms soon.

I don't feel I ever spoke down to you or anyone.

I think marijuana shoud be legalized, yes. Not all drugs. Check again. I never said, nor would I ever say that. And what exactly did I say in the Black Sabbath thread that was "irresponsible"?

edit: oh my god I said "bring loads of weed" to the gorge! oh my god! lock me up! I'm so irresponsible!!

rival.

DPrival78 wrote:

didnt he shoot himself in the throat? here he is, climbing out of the boat without help. i thought he was dying from his wounds.

that is a still shot from a home surveillance camera of him getting in, not out.

mydogmookieblaylock

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

there is a guy in a tank with a machine gun - i should go to my window and take a picture.
:roll:

And now the guy in the tank, with a machine gun, is pointing that gun at me.

HEY! He is violating my rights!
How dare he!

Its like the old saying - "Don't bring an iphone to a gun fight"

mydogmookieblaylock

unsung wrote:

Yeah, it's ok to drag people out of their homes by gunpoint, that they were ordered to stay in. All in the name of keeping them safe. I know what Ben Franklin would say, he would say "fuck that".

I think Ben would say fuck that to most things going on today

....and i think we would say fuck that about most shit going on back then.

2 completely different worlds

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

Yeah, it's ok to drag people out of their homes by gunpoint, that they were ordered to stay in. All in the name of keeping them safe. I know what Ben Franklin would say, he would say "fuck that".

but if he was critical of what was done, he would have actually followed it up with a logical explanation of how he thought it should have gone down, instead of just quoting your bible/constitution.

hedonist

Wait.

What exactly is being argued here?

dignin

dimitrispearljam wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

how??i would love to see people posting how..who has a better plan??

The question has been asked repeatedly. No one has an answer. That says it all.

cos no one is responsible for the safety of the town..
when you seating in your pc its all easy..but when you are a leader for the safety of people and solve a situation that has to do with public safety,..with terorist attacks that dont know if they strike again,
when you have dead kids, people without legs,a city feel fear
well,you must have the balls to make the difficult calls..

I'm sorry but I feel you are being over dramatic. It takes more courage to face the "enemy" under the rules of the law.

Your question about how it could have been done better has been answered many times. If you don't like the answer that's fine.

I personally feel that bending and breaking the law to catch perps is wrong. We have laws and rights for a reason. As scary as things got (much hyped by the media and the police imo) I don't think there was the justification to suspend those rights to catch this 19 year old wounded suspected terrorist.

Out of fear you may be willing to give up your rights, I am not.

I don't agree with unsung about very much, but I'm with him/her on this one.

JonnyPistachio

hedonist wrote:

Wait.

What exactly is being argued here?

Get back in your house and be quiet!

:P
Did the authorities over-do it. I think that's whats being argued.

Godfather.

(CNN) -- Unable to speak, the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings has been communicating with authorities in writing, a senior federal official briefed on the investigation told CNN Monday

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/us/boston ... ?hpt=hp_t1

Godfather.

dignin

lukin2006 wrote:

Do you people realize that it was a guy who left his house after the lock down ended and noticed his boat cover disturbed and investigated and discovered the guy in his boat? not the authorities ... just saying... you do realize it was the authorities who allow backpacks into places like this? the authorities who are responsible for people safety never considered that someone with a backpack could cause problems?

So as so often happens in these type of events it's civilians who provide the tip that leads to an arrest. So maybe its in societies best interest to avoid lock downs, avoid treating the innocent like criminals and just ask them "to vigilante and report anything suspicious".

After the initial chaos it was also the civilians who are very real hero's here as well ... in most cases it was civilians who were helping/comforting the injured first ... they are the first responders, they choose to stay and help, not because it's their job but because it was the human thing to do.

so I'll reserve my for the civilians ... the one's who selflessly helped injured people and the civilian that noticed that something was not right with his boat and notified the authorities after the lock down ended.

I'll also give to the the police, ems, fire, doctors, nurses who conducted themselves professionally.

thank you, thank you, thank you

JimmyV

dignin wrote:

Your question about how it could have been done better has been answered many times. If you don't like the answer that's fine.

Can you point me to where it has been answered? I continue to read about what should not have been done, not what should have been done.

dimitrispearljam

lukin2006 wrote:

Do you people realize that it was a guy who left his house after the lock down ended and noticed his boat cover disturbed and investigated and discovered the guy in his boat? not the authorities ... just saying... you do realize it was the authorities who allow backpacks into places like this? the authorities who are responsible for people safety never considered that someone with a backpack could cause problems?

So as so often happens in these type of events it's civilians who provide the tip that leads to an arrest. So maybe its in societies best interest to avoid lock downs, avoid treating the innocent like criminals and just ask them "to vigilante and report anything suspicious".

After the initial chaos it was also the civilians who are very real hero's here as well ... in most cases it was civilians who were helping/comforting the injured first ... they are the first responders, they choose to stay and help, not because it's their job but because it was the human thing to do.

so I'll reserve my for the civilians ... the one's who selflessly helped injured people and the civilian that noticed that something was not right with his boat and notified the authorities after the lock down ended.

I'll also give to the the police, ems, fire, doctors, nurses who conducted themselves professionally.

=so both civilians and police should work together for the safety..i think we all agree..
2 things to add to your post about the backpacks..after a few days London has marathon as well..
you know how crazy was the whole??you couldnt even open a bottle of water or put your hand in your pocket without a policeman look at you..
the check points was unreal..
no one at london could take the risk to happen what happens to london..
is that against people freedom??sure..but what can authorities do??

and yes..the heroes are exactly the ones you mention

dimitrispearljam

JimmyV wrote:

dignin wrote:

Your question about how it could have been done better has been answered many times. If you don't like the answer that's fine.

Can you point me to where it has been answered? I continue to read about what should not have been done, not what should have been done.

JimmyV

lukin2006 wrote:

Do you people realize that it was a guy who left his house after the lock down ended and noticed his boat cover disturbed and investigated and discovered the guy in his boat? not the authorities ... just saying... you do realize it was the authorities who allow backpacks into places like this? the authorities who are responsible for people safety never considered that someone with a backpack could cause problems?

So as so often happens in these type of events it's civilians who provide the tip that leads to an arrest. So maybe its in societies best interest to avoid lock downs, avoid treating the innocent like criminals and just ask them "to vigilante and report anything suspicious".

After the initial chaos it was also the civilians who are very real hero's here as well ... in most cases it was civilians who were helping/comforting the injured first ... they are the first responders, they choose to stay and help, not because it's their job but because it was the human thing to do.

so I'll reserve my for the civilians ... the one's who selflessly helped injured people and the civilian that noticed that something was not right with his boat and notified the authorities after the lock down ended.

I'll also give to the the police, ems, fire, doctors, nurses who conducted themselves professionally.

Just to clarify, the authorities did not allow backpacks into a place like this because there was no place to enter. The finish line is accessible from any side street off of Boylston. People walk up and stake out their position, as they have for 117 years. There was no security checkpoint to pass through. There will be next year I am sure but there never has been before.

And up until Monday the most dangerous thing anyone had in a backpack was probably beer.

JimmyV

Outside Krystle Campbell's funeral in Medford, MA...

dimitrispearljam

dignin wrote:

I personally feel that bending and breaking the law to catch perps is wrong. We have laws and rights for a reason. As scary as things got (much hyped by the media and the police imo) I don't think there was the justification to suspend those rights to catch this 19 year old wounded suspected terrorist.

Out of fear you may be willing to give up your rights, I am not.

my rights???what to do my rights if im dead after a terrorist blow the shit out of me??
someone please post how they could search 40-50 blocks for a man he want to kill people,.man he did it already without give a shit about innocent going to die..

someone knows,police tactics without block areas,communication,search house and boats,dog houses,, block roads,or whatever..
anyone knows another method,i would be happy to read it

dignin

JimmyV wrote:

dignin wrote:

Your question about how it could have been done better has been answered many times. If you don't like the answer that's fine.

Can you point me to where it has been answered? I continue to read about what should not have been done, not what should have been done.

I am no expert in law or policing but successful manhunts happen all the time, without locking down a city, violating the rights of civilians and acting like a military force. We could look at any of these cases and get a road map of how it should have been done.

I have no illusions that a manhunt can be done perfectly, we are all human after all, even the police. But I do think it could have been done much better, within the boundaries of the law.