New Lottery System

Paul Andrews

F5 was unfair to the entire membership and unfairly benefited a small number. It is as simple as that.

On big shows more people were shut out of ticket sales than who actually made it through. Skill and effort played absolutely no part in getting tickets, only persistence and luck - many members who missed out tried every bit as hard as those who got tickets. The user experience was terrible. Having to spend hours watching your browser time out and the cart fail is unacceptable. If you think you had some kind of magical system then you are seriously deluded. Sure you can optimise your chances with some careful maintenance of your browser and hitting the right links, but that does not guarantee success.

I have only missed out on tickets to one show (MSG2) through hitting F5 and made it to some pretty amazing shows, but those couple of hours were shithouse and the source of constant bitching on here. It was a classic clusterfuck which not only cause great angst among members, but also countless headaches, costs and anxiety to the poor people trying to keep the site up and store open. It had to end.

Now the system is fair - all members get an equal chance to go to the shows they want.

It appears this is the system they've settled on, a system akin to the early 10 Club ticket system. I like it and I'm, sure, I'm going to miss out on tickets to certain shows from time to time, but fuck it, I'll find one somewhere - and probably a 10c spare. And for the times I have to pay a bit extra from a reseller, too bad, it's still better than wasting a whole lot of time in the F5 lottery.

I think there are somethings that could probably be improved, like:

Giving members priority on their home town/regional shows
A multiple show ticket for those who take in the entire tour or certain legs.
Waitlist - where people unable to use their tickets could return them to be issued to the person next on the list
A plus one register where people could list spare singles and be linked up with those looking for singles from the wait list

Within the confines of the new system, some pretty cool things could be done with the resulting databases of ticket requests. Wouldn't it be far more productive to use the passion and energy people have towards refining the new system so it better suits everyone's needs rather than bloody mindedly call for a return to a system that was broken, unfair and toxic to the 10 Club Brand. If your changes have improved - great - if they have dropped - stiff shit - that's the way things go when fairness is the rule - we all have an equal chance now.

No member is any more or less entitled to tickets than any other. I think people need to think about that for a second.

Get_Right

Paul Andrews wrote:

F5 was unfair to the entire membership and unfairly benefited a small number. It is as simple as that.


Now the system is fair - all members get an equal chance to go to the shows they want.


No member is any more or less entitled to tickets than any other. I think people need to think about that for a second.

f5 was a disaster. Not just because it benefited a small number but because the technology failed miserably. To say otherwise demonstrates a lack of cognitive ability.

I don't agree that the new system allows all members to get an equal chance to go to the shows they want. The new "priority" system will prevent that. Members will need to be selective about which shows they select as first priority as in many cases, the second priority shows will be sold out.

However, the new system, in theory, will put 10c tickets in the hands of MORE members. And Id be willing to bet that is the parameter the band established when they went about revising the system.

It will most likely mean I score 10c tickets to less shows. Big deal. I will probably get more than one show, like they did it in the early days, but less than the multiple shows Ive enjoyed during the past tours. I am OK with that. It works. I send an email and find out later if I got tickets. What could be easier for me? Nothing.

jeffmack22sd

Please no lottery for the new tour if announced.

Wilds

jeffmack22sd wrote:

Please no lottery for the new tour if announced.

I'm loving the new lottery. And for a larger tour it will be even better.

dimitrispearljam

Wilds wrote:

jeffmack22sd wrote:

Please no lottery for the new tour if announced.

I'm loving the new lottery. And for a larger tour it will be even better.

yep..so funny people still dont get it..

1000 pairs 1000 fans want them all score no matter the method
1000 pairs 100.000 want them 1 of 100 fans will score only no matter the method..

lottery fast,easy ,fair,,,..took the "power" from fans hands...
not the same fans now always score...

Gracias 10c

Mike's Side

I feel I had an advantage with F5.

october22

Mike's Side wrote:

I feel I had an advantage with F5.

Because you did. And there was nothing wrong with that.




No matter what dimi says

Zod

Mike's Side wrote:

I feel I had an advantage with F5.

So did I

That's what makes the argument so moot. Some people feel better off on the f5 method, and some people feel better of with the lottery. We will always argue for the system we think works best for us

When you come down to it, the exact same number of fan members get tickets, so I do try to shrug it off.

The problem isn't the allocation method, its the lack of shows and lack of tickets. PJ does tour very much anymore so alot of people have gone mobile to see their favorite band. When PJ keeps tours small it doesn't matter where they play, because the people come to them.

Secondly Ticketing Agencies continue to make it harder for fan clubs to get tickets. IE the 10c probably gets much smaller allocations than they used too. Smaller tour/Less ticket.

The Real Solution: PJ Needs to Tour Even the backspacer tour seems a litle truncated. There has been a decent sized tour since 2006? Gotta deal with the demand. They've never been a band to do a Foo Fighters sized tour, I'm just hoping they'd do a Yield/Binaural 3 legs tour kind of thing. Two N.A. legs and a foreign leg somewhere.

october22

Zod wrote:

Mike's Side wrote:

I feel I had an advantage with F5.

So did I

That's what makes the argument so moot. Some people feel better off on the f5 method, and some people feel better of with the lottery. We will always argue for the system we think works best for us

When you come down to it, the exact same number of fan members get tickets, so I do try to shrug it off.

The problem isn't the allocation method, its the lack of shows and lack of tickets. PJ does tour very much anymore so alot of people have gone mobile to see their favorite band. When PJ keeps tours small it doesn't matter where they play, because the people come to them.

Secondly Ticketing Agencies continue to make it harder for fan clubs to get tickets. IE the 10c probably gets much smaller allocations than they used too. Smaller tour/Less ticket.

The Real Solution: PJ Needs to Tour Even the backspacer tour seems a litle truncated. There has been a decent sized tour since 2006? Gotta deal with the demand. They've never been a band to do a Foo Fighters sized tour, I'm just hoping they'd do a Yield/Binaural 3 legs tour kind of thing. Two N.A. legs and a foreign leg somewhere.

This is all true except what annoys me is not having access to more than one show with 10C in the same market. Yes, it means that tickets will be spread out among more fans and that's not a bad thing but I'm used to having great tix for multiple shows in my area. That was the fun of it. Having a group of friends with 10C tickets and hitting the road together. That will never happen again. And yes, under the old system we all scored tickets so it's complete bs to claim that was luck. Those days were so much fun but sadly they're gone as most of us will get shut out and may not want to shell out for tickets from a third party for shitty seats.

81

where are the saboteur's when you need them to sabotage the lotto

there are companies out there that can handle ticket sales without crashing

october22

81 wrote:

where are the saboteur's when you need them to sabotage the lotto

there are companies out there that can handle ticket sales without crashing

You're opening up another can of worms there, bro. People don't like the idea of outsourcing 10C.

What are you doing up anyway? Isn't it past your bedtime? Unless you're working on securing that date for me. Any pictures of this chick by the way? Do I need to send you a link for Taylor Swift so you don't fuck this up?

81

october22 wrote:

81 wrote:

where are the saboteur's when you need them to sabotage the lotto

there are companies out there that can handle ticket sales without crashing

You're opening up another can of worms there, bro. People don't like the idea of outsourcing 10C.

What are you doing up anyway? Isn't it past your bedtime? Unless you're working on securing that date for me. Any pictures of this chick by the way? Do I need to send you a link for Taylor Swift so you don't fuck this up?

i need to text her and see what she's been up to. we're suppose to do bong rips one of these days

october22

81 wrote:

october22 wrote:

81 wrote:

where are the saboteur's when you need them to sabotage the lotto

there are companies out there that can handle ticket sales without crashing

You're opening up another can of worms there, bro. People don't like the idea of outsourcing 10C.

What are you doing up anyway? Isn't it past your bedtime? Unless you're working on securing that date for me. Any pictures of this chick by the way? Do I need to send you a link for Taylor Swift so you don't fuck this up?

i need to text her and see what she's been up to. we're suppose to do bong rips one of these days

Alright, just don't cause too much brain damage before Wrigley. Cross eyed girls aren't (as) attractive.

Wilds

october22 wrote:

Zod wrote:

Mike's Side wrote:

I feel I had an advantage with F5.

So did I

That's what makes the argument so moot. Some people feel better off on the f5 method, and some people feel better of with the lottery. We will always argue for the system we think works best for us

When you come down to it, the exact same number of fan members get tickets, so I do try to shrug it off.

The problem isn't the allocation method, its the lack of shows and lack of tickets. PJ does tour very much anymore so alot of people have gone mobile to see their favorite band. When PJ keeps tours small it doesn't matter where they play, because the people come to them.

Secondly Ticketing Agencies continue to make it harder for fan clubs to get tickets. IE the 10c probably gets much smaller allocations than they used too. Smaller tour/Less ticket.

The Real Solution: PJ Needs to Tour Even the backspacer tour seems a litle truncated. There has been a decent sized tour since 2006? Gotta deal with the demand. They've never been a band to do a Foo Fighters sized tour, I'm just hoping they'd do a Yield/Binaural 3 legs tour kind of thing. Two N.A. legs and a foreign leg somewhere.

This is all true except what annoys me is not having access to more than one show with 10C in the same market. Yes, it means that tickets will be spread out among more fans and that's not a bad thing but I'm used to having great tix for multiple shows in my area. That was the fun of it. Having a group of friends with 10C tickets and hitting the road together. That will never happen again. And yes, under the old system we all scored tickets so it's complete bs to claim that was luck. Those days were so much fun but sadly they're gone as most of us will get shut out and may not want to shell out for tickets from a third party for shitty seats.

I don't know if this is true. Depending on the market(s), I don't foresee having trouble getting tickets to all the shows.

For this very limited run of shows (Wrigley and London), It has been almost an embarrassment of riches for my two Pearl Jam Ten club buddies who I travel to all the shows together.

We all put in for the London/Wrigley pre-sale. One of us got tickets to Wrigley. The other guy got a single from the Tickemaster (or whomever) in the general sale. I then put in for the Wrigley 2nd chance sale and got a pair, and my other two travelling buds are going. That is five of us with no problems going to this great show.

For London, I got a single from the public sale, my buddy got an extra from another ten club fan, and then two of us just won the London 2nd chance sale.

Being a part of this community means never having to buy scalper tickets. I've acquired or traded, or sold at face value dozens of tickets to all the shows I've ever wanted to get into.

Hit the Euro tour after my wife gave me the Hall Pass, but didn't anticipate it. Me and three of my friends decided to go. We easily secured for face value tickets to Oslo, Norway, and Sweden. Then my one friend couldn't go and hooked up three fans to the shows he was out of.

This is the story all the time on these boards.

I love this community.

october22

Wilds wrote:

I don't know if this is true. Depending on the market(s), I don't foresee having trouble getting tickets to all the shows.

For this very limited run of shows (Wrigley and London), It has been almost an embarrassment of riches for my two Pearl Jam Ten club buddies who I travel to all the shows together.

We all put in for the London/Wrigley pre-sale. One of us got tickets to Wrigley. The other guy got a single from the Tickemaster (or whomever) in the general sale. I then put in for the Wrigley 2nd chance sale and got a pair, and my other two travelling buds are going. That is five of us with no problems going to this great show.

For London, I got a single from the public sale, my buddy got an extra from another ten club fan, and then two of us just won the London 2nd chance sale.

Being a part of this community means never having to buy scalper tickets. I've acquired or traded, or sold at face value dozens of tickets to all the shows I've ever wanted to get into.

Hit the Euro tour after my wife gave me the Hall Pass, but didn't anticipate it. Me and three of my friends decided to go. We easily secured for face value tickets to Oslo, Norway, and Sweden. Then my one friend couldn't go and hooked up three fans to the shows he was out of.

This is the story all the time on these boards.

I love this community.

I'm down with that. Nice work

dimitrispearljam

Mike's Side wrote:

I feel I had an advantage with F5.

yep..thats was the unfair part,and 10c end it..
no one has any advantage now..
the only advantage you have is the same as the rest...need to be current memebr to have a shot..
your money is the same money rest of the fans..
no faster internet,no multiple bronwzers open,no better rooter,no better free time for job ,no need to change yout whole day to buy tickets,no links that lead you to the buy button ticket,no links to secure tickets already your shoping card and all u need to do is to check out,no links lead directly to the check out page,no links to lead you to have in your card multiple shows tickets the same time..nada..end,caput....

same money paid for memebership,same chances..
all in the bucket ,the lucky wins...

end of story..

the f5 method now is the story we will tell to our kids inthe years will follow..you know..
stories from the past...

thank you 10c... now some will feel how is to play the game 50% -50%..and not 100%-0% always for them..

dimitrispearljam

Wilds wrote:

I don't know if this is true. Depending on the market(s), I don't foresee having trouble getting tickets to all the shows.

For this very limited run of shows (Wrigley and London), It has been almost an embarrassment of riches for my two Pearl Jam Ten club buddies who I travel to all the shows together.

We all put in for the London/Wrigley pre-sale. One of us got tickets to Wrigley. The other guy got a single from the Tickemaster (or whomever) in the general sale. I then put in for the Wrigley 2nd chance sale and got a pair, and my other two travelling buds are going. That is five of us with no problems going to this great show.

For London, I got a single from the public sale, my buddy got an extra from another ten club fan, and then two of us just won the London 2nd chance sale.

Being a part of this community means never having to buy scalper tickets. I've acquired or traded, or sold at face value dozens of tickets to all the shows I've ever wanted to get into.

Hit the Euro tour after my wife gave me the Hall Pass, but didn't anticipate it. Me and three of my friends decided to go. We easily secured for face value tickets to Oslo, Norway, and Sweden. Then my one friend couldn't go and hooked up three fans to the shows he was out of.

This is the story all the time on these boards.

I love this community.

oh yeah buddy...oh yeah..

dimitrispearljam

october22 wrote:

Mike's Side wrote:

I feel I had an advantage with F5.

Because you did. And there was nothing wrong with that.




No matter what dimi says

fuck Dimi..

give me a fuck yeah for Chicago !!!

october22

dimitrispearljam wrote:

october22 wrote:

Mike's Side wrote:

I feel I had an advantage with F5.

Because you did. And there was nothing wrong with that.




No matter what dimi says

fuck Dimi..

give me a fuck yeah for Chicago !!!

FUCK YEAH!

Wilds

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Wilds wrote:

I don't know if this is true. Depending on the market(s), I don't foresee having trouble getting tickets to all the shows.

For this very limited run of shows (Wrigley and London), It has been almost an embarrassment of riches for my two Pearl Jam Ten club buddies who I travel to all the shows together.

We all put in for the London/Wrigley pre-sale. One of us got tickets to Wrigley. The other guy got a single from the Tickemaster (or whomever) in the general sale. I then put in for the Wrigley 2nd chance sale and got a pair, and my other two travelling buds are going. That is five of us with no problems going to this great show.

For London, I got a single from the public sale, my buddy got an extra from another ten club fan, and then two of us just won the London 2nd chance sale.

Being a part of this community means never having to buy scalper tickets. I've acquired or traded, or sold at face value dozens of tickets to all the shows I've ever wanted to get into.

Hit the Euro tour after my wife gave me the Hall Pass, but didn't anticipate it. Me and three of my friends decided to go. We easily secured for face value tickets to Oslo, Norway, and Sweden. Then my one friend couldn't go and hooked up three fans to the shows he was out of.

This is the story all the time on these boards.

I love this community.

oh yeah buddy...oh yeah..

I'll give a fuck yeah to London and Wrigley!!! :thumbup: