New Lottery System

Get_Right

foodboy wrote:

please scrap the lottery. sell them on ticketmaster if you have to. if it costs 10 bucks more per ticket fine do it. even with the crashes it was like a lottery but you were the captain of your own ship. it is going to be very hard to go to multiple shows . remember people who go to multiple shows usually buy multiple merch.

Why put money in TM's pocket? Have you tried getting decent tix to a show on TM recently? Its a shitshow.
Hard enough to get the fan club tickets from TM in the first place.

People just need to accept that the band has chosen a method that will put tickets in more members hands.
And yes that means members will not get 10c tix for as many shows without partnering with another member. Its alright, I will still get to the shows I want to see.

Anyone advocating the f5 system is just looking to hoard more tickets for themselves, because in reality, that system was a complete and total failure.

dimitrispearljam

Get_Right wrote:

foodboy wrote:

please scrap the lottery. sell them on ticketmaster if you have to. if it costs 10 bucks more per ticket fine do it. even with the crashes it was like a lottery but you were the captain of your own ship. it is going to be very hard to go to multiple shows . remember people who go to multiple shows usually buy multiple merch.

Why put money in TM's pocket? Have you tried getting decent tix to a show on TM recently? Its a shitshow.
Hard enough to get the fan club tickets from TM in the first place.

People just need to accept that the band has chosen a method that will put tickets in more members hands.
And yes that means members will not get 10c tix for as many shows without partnering with another member. Its alright, I will still get to the shows I want to see.

Anyone advocating the f5 system is just looking to hoard more tickets for themselves, because in reality, that system was a complete and total failure.

perfectly said..thats exactly what is happening here.

Get_Right

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

foodboy wrote:

please scrap the lottery. sell them on ticketmaster if you have to. if it costs 10 bucks more per ticket fine do it. even with the crashes it was like a lottery but you were the captain of your own ship. it is going to be very hard to go to multiple shows . remember people who go to multiple shows usually buy multiple merch.

Why put money in TM's pocket? Have you tried getting decent tix to a show on TM recently? Its a shitshow.
Hard enough to get the fan club tickets from TM in the first place.

People just need to accept that the band has chosen a method that will put tickets in more members hands.
And yes that means members will not get 10c tix for as many shows without partnering with another member. Its alright, I will still get to the shows I want to see.

Anyone advocating the f5 system is just looking to hoard more tickets for themselves, because in reality, that system was a complete and total failure.

perfectly said..thats exactly what is happening here.

thanks D, its really not that complicated

dimitrispearljam

Get_Right wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

Why put money in TM's pocket? Have you tried getting decent tix to a show on TM recently? Its a shitshow.
Hard enough to get the fan club tickets from TM in the first place.

People just need to accept that the band has chosen a method that will put tickets in more members hands.
And yes that means members will not get 10c tix for as many shows without partnering with another member. Its alright, I will still get to the shows I want to see.

Anyone advocating the f5 system is just looking to hoard more tickets for themselves, because in reality, that system was a complete and total failure.

perfectly said..thats exactly what is happening here.

thanks D, its really not that complicated

i know..at the begging i thought some just dont understand,cos they didnt know,or read how things will work....now i know they just dont want to understand

pjsteelerfan

Sometimes, I think some of you are just stoking the fire with the lottery vs. F5 thing. It is OK to not like the lottery, and to keep posting to argue in favor of it to every post is not really accomplishing anything. Or helping the matter.

demetrios

Zod wrote:

I did like the way the 2011 Canadian Tour as handled. After the website buckled under f5 they contracted tm to handle it. It was really smooth.

It went smooth for me during that F5 day during the Canadian '11 tour. I was 5 for 5 with the 10club store ticket sale. Montreal - Hamilton. When they contracted Ticketmaster for their 10club presale a few day's later, it was really smooth for all my friends who tried & scored.

Final Bow

Get_Right wrote:

foodboy wrote:

please scrap the lottery. sell them on ticketmaster if you have to. if it costs 10 bucks more per ticket fine do it. even with the crashes it was like a lottery but you were the captain of your own ship. it is going to be very hard to go to multiple shows . remember people who go to multiple shows usually buy multiple merch.

Why put money in TM's pocket? Have you tried getting decent tix to a show on TM recently? Its a shitshow.
Hard enough to get the fan club tickets from TM in the first place.

People just need to accept that the band has chosen a method that will put tickets in more members hands.
And yes that means members will not get 10c tix for as many shows without partnering with another member. Its alright, I will still get to the shows I want to see.

Anyone advocating the f5 system is just looking to hoard more tickets for themselves, because in reality, that system was a complete and total failure.

F5 sytem was great. I had no problem to get tix. With the lottery I failed
With F5 I have it in my own hands.
With the lottery I need good luck.

jeffmack22sd

I started this thread and have to say, I got everything I wanted for this upcoming tour GA for San Diego and LA 1 and my reserved tickets for NY 1. Also got my tickets for Wrigley. Thank you 10 club, see you at the shows. Hope everyone else gor what they wanted.

jeffmack22sd

Hope some people got Worchester 2 who didn't the first time.

MG79478

Get_Right wrote:

People just need to accept that the band has chosen a method that will put tickets in more members hands.
And yes that means members will not get 10c tix for as many shows without partnering with another member. Its alright, I will still get to the shows I want to see.

Anyone advocating the f5 system is just looking to hoard more tickets for themselves, because in reality, that system was a complete and total failure.

People just need to accept that many people dislike the lottery, and are free to voice their opinion. We have a lottery now because of YEARS of bitching about F5. Where you on your high horse telling people then "the band has chosen a method"? And as for this fallacy that the lottery puts more tickets in more member’s hands... this is completely BS. First you have an increase in members with multiple membership... that doesn't help. You have an increase in scalpers... that doesn't help. You have people who win tickets colluding with others who won tickets to trade their extras... that doesn't help. People putting in "long shot" entries, and making the trip if they happen to win... that doesn't help. How can anyone believe that the lottery actually helps more members get tickets?

Anyone advocating the lottery is simply looking out for what's best for themselves. They are lazy and don't want to put any effort in to getting tickets. Plain and simple lazy selfishness. Meanwhile the F5 advocates want to put in effort to achieve their tickets... and if someone is hitting F5 long after others have given up... they deserve those damn tickets! So in your world, someone who works more hours than you, or works a harder job, just wants to hoard money for themselves... but in your eyes they don't deserve more money? :fp:

While F5 had one or two bumps, it was a largely successful system. The lottery so far has been a complete and utter failure. If people open their mind, and truly want to understand, it's not that hard to grasp.

dimitrispearljam

dimitrispearljam wrote:

3legged dog wrote:

Amazing !! After 7 years finally got 10c tix. GA!! Thanks 10c. So happy!! It's going to be magical!!

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fuck yeah..thats im talking about...

MayDay10

MG79478 wrote:

First you have an increase in members with multiple membership... that doesn't help. You have an increase in scalpers... that doesn't help. You have people who win tickets colluding with others who won tickets to trade their extras... that doesn't help. People putting in "long shot" entries, and making the trip if they happen to win... that doesn't help.

I agree with this. I feel that the system needs to be ratcheted up a bit if they want to promote fairness.
Multiple memberships are king now. Same with the ticket "trade/upgrade" community. The amount of ticket swapping over the past few weeks is off the charts.

I like the "idea" of the lottery... but it seems like unfair advantages can be leveraged more here than f5. Also, new memberships become very valuable with the addition of GA areas.

pjsteelerfan

MayDay10 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

First you have an increase in members with multiple membership... that doesn't help. You have an increase in scalpers... that doesn't help. You have people who win tickets colluding with others who won tickets to trade their extras... that doesn't help. People putting in "long shot" entries, and making the trip if they happen to win... that doesn't help.

I agree with this. I feel that the system needs to be ratcheted up a bit if they want to promote fairness.
Multiple memberships are king now. Same with the ticket "trade/upgrade" community. The amount of ticket swapping over the past few weeks is off the charts.

These trades all went on in the past as well. Many people had multiple memberships in the past too.

MayDay10

what advantage did multiple memberships really have without lottery "ping pong balls" and without GA? Get a new member number in the 500XXXs and you are better off with the public sale. Now you can get 4 digital accounts in the 500XXXs for $80 and go hogwild on GA tickets, while saving your good number for hitting reserved. Find a buddy here with the same mindset in the same area and you are rolling huge. Sell/trade any extras to finance your tour.

dimitrispearljam

pjsteelerfan wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

I agree with this. I feel that the system needs to be ratcheted up a bit if they want to promote fairness.
Multiple memberships are king now. Same with the ticket "trade/upgrade" community. The amount of ticket swapping over the past few weeks is off the charts.

These trades all went on in the past as well. Many people had multiple memberships in the past too.

and there was no tweet,or anything to let you know tour announcement is coming like the past cos renew membership is automatic now
so that theory that scalpers can buy newmemebrship and more can try for tickets isnt exist..
before,you just buy a memebrship a day before the tour u was suppose you can buy and flip the ticket

dimitrispearljam

MayDay10 wrote:

what advantage did multiple memberships really have without lottery "ping pong balls" and without GA? Get a new member number in the 500XXXs and you are better off with the public sale. Now you can get 4 digital accounts in the 500XXXs for $80 and go hogwild on GA tickets, while saving your good number for hitting reserved. Find a buddy here with the same mindset in the same area and you are rolling huge. Sell/trade any extras to finance your tour.

you just try the same time to score with different acounts..f-5 witrh multiple..so u can flip the extras.
had firefox open to one acount,IE to the other,Chrome to the third etc..
if u want to flip the tickets,you can find the way with every selling system

only with lottery you dont have the power on your hands..

pjsteelerfan

MayDay10 wrote:

what advantage did multiple memberships really have without lottery "ping pong balls" and without GA? Get a new member number in the 500XXXs and you are better off with the public sale. Now you can get 4 digital accounts in the 500XXXs for $80 and go hogwild on GA tickets, while saving your good number for hitting reserved. Find a buddy here with the same mindset in the same area and you are rolling huge. Sell/trade any extras to finance your tour.

I agree it is easier, and maybe 10c will look into it. But I think some of it is being blown out of proportion too.

MayDay10

Thanks for not taking it as a Waaaaaah Lottery! point of view.


I just know how fanatical and adaptable we all are... and how cunning and on their game the scalpers are. It may not be quite as abused this time around, but if/when there is another US tour, I can see a lot of the abuse I mentioned going into practice.

So Im cool with the lottery, but I am hoping the 10c is thinking ahead of ways people will invent to abuse it and are working toward ways to encourage the 1-membership per member/rank your entries straight-up lottery.
I dont even know how to do it. Shooting completely from the hip: No GA? Have to be a member for >1 year? Multiple uses of the same credit card are voided? 1 membership per address? Paperless tickets for 10c tickets? Members only can get 1 show?

incidental immortality

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

I agree with this. I feel that the system needs to be ratcheted up a bit if they want to promote fairness.
Multiple memberships are king now. Same with the ticket "trade/upgrade" community. The amount of ticket swapping over the past few weeks is off the charts.

These trades all went on in the past as well. Many people had multiple memberships in the past too.

and there was no tweet,or anything to let you know tour announcement is coming like the past cos renew membership is automatic now
so that theory that scalpers can buy newmemebrship and more can try for tickets isnt exist..
before,you just buy a memebrship a day before the tour u was suppose you can buy and flip the ticket

To me the lottery coupled with unrestricted GA is a disaster waiting to happen. Sure it may not have hit for this tour but I'm worried about future ones. In the past, the US tours were all reserved seating with senority. Sure there were the 1-2 and 9-10 row lotteries but those were very low probabilities. Its possible that scalpers joined hoping to score these great seats by chance. But the probability of a big payout just wasn't there.

But, with GA all of the tickets have the potential to be great (depending on how long you want to wait in line). And every member has an equal opportunity to win these tickets. So, why wouldn't a scalper buy 10 memberships right before the tour is announced. This would give them at least 20 valid chances (between 1st and 2nd choices). Even if they hit on only 25% that would still yield 10 tickets. That should be more than enough to warrent the $200 for memberships. I understand that the tickets would need to be picked up by the person on the membership. But the opportunity for profit is there.

Don't get me wrong, I like the lottery. I'm not so much of a fan of GA but I'm willing to give it a shot. I just think that the two of them together has the potential to cause real issues.

dimitrispearljam

incidental immortality wrote:

To me the lottery coupled with unrestricted GA is a disaster waiting to happen. Sure it may not have hit for this tour but I'm worried about future ones. In the past, the US tours were all reserved seating with senority. Sure there were the 1-2 and 9-10 row lotteries but those were very low probabilities. Its possible that scalpers joined hoping to score these great seats by chance. But the probability of a big payout just wasn't there.

But, with GA all of the tickets have the potential to be great (depending on how long you want to wait in line). And every member has an equal opportunity to win these tickets. So, why wouldn't a scalper buy 10 memberships right before the tour is announced. This would give them at least 20 valid chances (between 1st and 2nd choices). Even if they hit on only 25% that would still yield 10 tickets. That should be more than enough to warrent the $200 for memberships. I understand that the tickets would need to be picked up by the person on the membership. But the opportunity for profit is there.

Don't get me wrong, I like the lottery. I'm not so much of a fan of GA but I'm willing to give it a shot. I just think that the two of them together has the potential to cause real issues.

what stoped a scalper to buy 10 memebrships before..and WIN always cos he knew to win the f-5 system??
fan club tickets are always better than the rest of the seats..
and how many id a scalper has,to pick up from the box office?
and the scalper from ny,will fly to scopane to pick just a pair to sell them?

the only difference now is the scalpers,cant win the lottery..can put his hands and win instead of other members..has the same chances

its a win win..
10c find the way to kill more than 2 birds with one bullet her..
keep the sale here,than give it to sale company..take power from scalpers and cheaters so they cant score always the same people tix,more different members win tickets cos of priority,with GA secure more ticket at the venue and now has reserved tic and at the floor and at the sides to ALLthe shows,site not crash during sales,people have a week to decide,no need to be at specific time at the internet and alot more reasons.

all reserved seating are still based with senority.nothing change to that so After memebrs scored reserved tix,they rewared with better seats than new member

10c must give to the guy thought the lottery double money