New Lottery System

dimitrispearljam

Merkin Baller wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

My buddy Billy is a high school teacher. A few of you have met him at shows. Fan since the beginning, in and out of the club since the nineties. Because of his profession he has never before been able to score tickets. That is, until the recently concluded Second Chance lottery for Worcester 2. For the first time he will be the one picking up tickets at will call. I love the lottery for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is succeeding at spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible. It is not perfect and it can be improved, for sure, but so far it is a success.

Thank you for bringing this up. . . . I also work a job that doesn't allow for me to sit at a PC hitting F5 for as long as it takes. That doesn't mean I'm lazy like other people have suggested, nor does it make me less of a fan, it flat out means that the F5 system doesn't work for me when the sales are on weekdays, which they traditionally have been. If it was on a Saturday, I would be fine with it, but on a Tuesday or other weekday, it's an issue for me, period. (please don't tell me a big enough fan would take the day off. . . what happens when the servers crash & the sale is postponed 24 hours? Then I'm out a vacation day & STILL didn't get tickets - that's a lousy scenario too)

I've had more success getting 10c tickets with the lottery than I ever had with the F5 system, so why shouldn't I like the lottery more? I don't have to take time away from work to have a chance to get tickets, and that's the most important thing for me. At some point the lottery won't choose me, then I'll go to ticketmaster. Or I just won't go to the show. I've missed shows before, and will miss them in the future. Life will go on.

FWIW, I think the whole scalper argument is blown way out of proportion. I understand that scalpers can get multiple accounts etc, but I don't see how any of that is beneficial when they can't get their hands on the tickets until the day of the show. I looked through Stubhub a few nights ago, and found a total of 6 pairs of GA tickets for shows on the 1st leg. All of those tickets will be delivered to the buyer in advance of the show date. How could those be 10c tickets? Someone on the inside at the venue is doing that, not someone buying 10c tickets through the lottery, I would think. I know GA is supposed to be all 10c, but how would a person explain the whole tickets in advance?
I also don't know too many people willing to pay resale prices for tickets they can't pick up until the day of the show, never mind reserved seats: the locations of which are unknown, also until the day of the show. I DEFINITELY don't see people dropping hundreds of dollars if they don't know where their seats are. Sure, plenty of scalpers will still buy, go there on the day of the show & sell them outside on the sidewalk, but that's the old tried & true method, that has always happened, and always will. If anything, PJ does cut back on scalpers, since only local agencies, who can go to the venue on the day of the show & sell there will try for it. (Scalpers had a leg up on me with the F5 system too, they can sit there on a Tuesday hitting F5 for 6 hours, I can't)

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, that's mine.

Congrats to those who scored, sorry for those who didn't, I hope the lottery picks you next time.

nicely said...and as for GA you saw..no legit,the first day of the sale was 17 venues had GA tikes,not are like 4?
scalpers start learning their lessons..cant access GA tix..10c has all
not to mention,the fine print has delivery the day before the show...10c pick up is the day of the shoiw
and,we all saw whay happen to wrigley..
no 10c Wristband,no GA...cant get in the pit with out 10c wristband even if u have a tix says GA
you have to have both...
no 10C wristband..no GA...

dimitrispearljam

JimmyV wrote:

My buddy Billy is a high school teacher. A few of you have met him at shows. Fan since the beginning, in and out of the club since the nineties. Because of his profession he has never before been able to score tickets. That is, until the recently concluded Second Chance lottery for Worcester 2. For the first time he will be the one picking up tickets at will call. I love the lottery for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is succeeding at spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible. It is not perfect and it can be improved, for sure, but so far it is a success.

that was the plan....spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible.

bootlegger10

dimitrispearljam wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

My buddy Billy is a high school teacher. A few of you have met him at shows. Fan since the beginning, in and out of the club since the nineties. Because of his profession he has never before been able to score tickets. That is, until the recently concluded Second Chance lottery for Worcester 2. For the first time he will be the one picking up tickets at will call. I love the lottery for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is succeeding at spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible. It is not perfect and it can be improved, for sure, but so far it is a success.

that was the plan....spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible.

Probably, but I bet a big part was the fact that they couldn't get a sale done for popular shows on this website or with partners without it turning into a trainwreck or getting sabotaged.

dimitrispearljam

bootlegger10 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

My buddy Billy is a high school teacher. A few of you have met him at shows. Fan since the beginning, in and out of the club since the nineties. Because of his profession he has never before been able to score tickets. That is, until the recently concluded Second Chance lottery for Worcester 2. For the first time he will be the one picking up tickets at will call. I love the lottery for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is succeeding at spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible. It is not perfect and it can be improved, for sure, but so far it is a success.

that was the plan....spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible.

Probably, but I bet a big part was the fact that they couldn't get a sale done for popular shows on this website or with partners without it turning into a trainwreck or getting sabotaged.

true..so instead to give their product to ticketsale company,find lottery method and solve the problem..the ticket will be sold anyway..now more different fans get them,they keep the sale in their store and the lottery went smotth,no crasing no nothing..

fcbittenca

I never participated on the old system, I can't argument.

(A litle off topic I know)
I am a little disappointed on the GA thing. I know a lot of people in the US will love it. But I am was hoping to have that front row experience. I always has that curiosity on how people have SEATS?!?! in front of a Rock Concert.

It's like ALIVE's jacket back photo. People are about to see Kiss and everybody is comfy on their chairs. Always thought that was amazing. The notion to arrive 15 minutes prior to the start and have a chair there, marking your spot.

Now I am going to Worcester and will have to stay in like for hours and hours if I want to get close to the rail.
That's life. :(

Merkin Baller

fcbittenca wrote:

I never participated on the old system, I can't argument.

(A litle off topic I know)
I am a little disappointed on the GA thing. I know a lot of people in the US will love it. But I am was hoping to have that front row experience. I always has that curiosity on how people have SEATS?!?! in front of a Rock Concert.

It's like ALIVE's jacket back photo. People are about to see Kiss and everybody is comfy on their chairs. Always thought that was amazing. The notion to arrive 15 minutes prior to the start and have a chair there, marking your spot.

Now I am going to Worcester and will have to stay in like for hours and hours if I want to get close to the rail.
That's life. :(

I see your point, but if you think about it, your chances of getting up to the rail, or at least 2-3 people removed from the rail are that much higher as a result of a GA section. Granted, it will be much less comfortable conditions, but your chances of getting closer to the band are increased greatly with GA tickets, obviously depending on on how much unwanted physical contact you are willing to put up with. If you don't mind being SUPER close to a bunch of other people, you have a good chance of getting close to the stage by the end of the show.

I have GA tix for Worcester 2, I bet I will get closer to the stage that night than I ever would have if it was reserved seats.

fcbittenca

Merkin Baller wrote:

fcbittenca wrote:

I never participated on the old system, I can't argument.

(A litle off topic I know)
I am a little disappointed on the GA thing. I know a lot of people in the US will love it. But I am was hoping to have that front row experience. I always has that curiosity on how people have SEATS?!?! in front of a Rock Concert.

It's like ALIVE's jacket back photo. People are about to see Kiss and everybody is comfy on their chairs. Always thought that was amazing. The notion to arrive 15 minutes prior to the start and have a chair there, marking your spot.

Now I am going to Worcester and will have to stay in like for hours and hours if I want to get close to the rail.
That's life. :(

I see your point, but if you think about it, your chances of getting up to the rail, or at least 2-3 people removed from the rail are that much higher as a result of a GA section. Granted, it will be much less comfortable conditions, but your chances of getting closer to the band are increased greatly with GA tickets, obviously depending on on how much unwanted physical contact you are willing to put up with. If you don't mind being SUPER close to a bunch of other people, you have a good chance of getting close to the stage by the end of the show.

I have GA tix for Worcester 2, I bet I will get closer to the stage that night than I ever would have if it was reserved seats.

I have been to over 100 GA shows in South America... If you have seen any videos, you know we don't mind been close to one another... all the heat, the sweat, the smells... HAHAHAHAHA It's not like we are going to a fancing restaurant after the show. We go home for a shower HAHAHAHA

I just wanted the experience, you see? That All American way of doing stuff... but it's OK. I can get that in another band in a different time.

See you in Worcester, man... will be flying from Brazil to Boston on Oct, 13rd.

Merkin Baller

@fcbittenca, I 100% know what you're talking about. If I had a choice of having a front row seat, with my personal area clearly defined, or be pushed up against the rail with upwards of 1000 people pushing against me, well that's not a decision at all for me. Obviously I would take the seat.

Safe travels bro, see you in the pit in Worcester!

MayDay10

I would love a front row seat.

Never happened in about 20 shows...

If/when I do get GA... I plan on doing it right and showing up in the early AM.

MG79478

Merkin Baller wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

My buddy Billy is a high school teacher. A few of you have met him at shows. Fan since the beginning, in and out of the club since the nineties. Because of his profession he has never before been able to score tickets. That is, until the recently concluded Second Chance lottery for Worcester 2. For the first time he will be the one picking up tickets at will call. I love the lottery for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is succeeding at spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible. It is not perfect and it can be improved, for sure, but so far it is a success.

Thank you for bringing this up. . . . I also work a job that doesn't allow for me to sit at a PC hitting F5 for as long as it takes. That doesn't mean I'm lazy like other people have suggested, nor does it make me less of a fan, it flat out means that the F5 system doesn't work for me when the sales are on weekdays, which they traditionally have been. If it was on a Saturday, I would be fine with it, but on a Tuesday or other weekday, it's an issue for me, period. (please don't tell me a big enough fan would take the day off. . . what happens when the servers crash & the sale is postponed 24 hours? Then I'm out a vacation day & STILL didn't get tickets - that's a lousy scenario too)

I've had more success getting 10c tickets with the lottery than I ever had with the F5 system, so why shouldn't I like the lottery more? I don't have to take time away from work to have a chance to get tickets, and that's the most important thing for me.

What type of job prohibits you from taking vacation to get tickets, and from arranging for someone else with computer access to get them for you? (As for the "server crash" excuse, that was the exception, not the norm... and isn't a big enough factor to be worthy of mention.) And if such a job exists (it doesn't), why do you keep it? And why do you want to punish those who aren't stuck in such crappy jobs?

dimitrispearljam wrote:

that was the plan....spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible.

It doesn't work that way, in fact now less fans get tickets. But hey... at least that was the plan!

dimitrispearljam

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

that was the plan....spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible.

It doesn't work that way, in fact now less fans get tickets. But hey... at least that was the plan!

you dont have a clue..but who cares..10c knows better

eddiec

dimitrispearljam wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

that was the plan....spreading tickets around to as many fans as possible.

It doesn't work that way, in fact now less fans get tickets. But hey... at least that was the plan!

you dont have a clue..but who cares..10c knows better

I'm baffled by this. How do less fans get tickets?

EdsonNascimento

eddiec wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

It doesn't work that way, in fact now less fans get tickets. But hey... at least that was the plan!

you dont have a clue..but who cares..10c knows better

I'm baffled by this. How do less fans get tickets?

He didn't get. So, that's 1 less. That's all that matters. Do you even exist?

MG79478

dimitrispearljam wrote:

you dont have a clue..but who cares..10c knows better

Wow, another incredibly insightful and intelligent response filled with facts and counterpoints. But hey, I guess with such a quantity of posts, you can't focus on quality.

eddiec wrote:

I'm baffled by this. How do less fans get tickets?

How many times do we have to go over this? There is no proof that the lottery has gotten tickets in the hands of more fans, and in fact the lottery is more ripe for fraud than F5 due to the ease of entry.

- The lottery has caused:
- More people to enter for shows they wouldn't have under F5 (hail mary for a popular show in the other leg)
- More people to sign up for multiple memberships
- More people who win tickets to trade their extra with other winners
- More people to scalp tickets

EdsonNascimento

MG79478 wrote:

How many times do we have to go over this? There is no proof that the lottery has gotten tickets in the hands of more fans, and in fact the lottery is more ripe for fraud than F5 due to the ease of entry.

- The lottery has caused:
- More people to enter for shows they wouldn't have under F5 (hail mary for a popular show in the other leg)
- More people to sign up for multiple memberships
- More people who win tickets to trade their extra with other winners
- More people to scalp tickets

That's a lot of MORE's to support your argument that LESS people got tickets.

dimitrispearljam

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

you dont have a clue..but who cares..10c knows better

Wow, another incredibly insightful and intelligent response filled with facts and counterpoints. But hey, I guess with such a quantity of posts, you can't focus on quality.

you still dont have a clue,thats why more different fans scored tix with lottery and not the usual ones who scored always,and many of the fans scored tix for the 1st time after years at the club!!awesome..
its time to learn the "tricks" of the lottery to score..
oh wait..there is no tricks..no power..that crap ends..

and keep talking about me personally,like you think bringing the number of my post to the conversation will make your argument stronger..
i dont give a fuck....i I've seen -heard all before..Bring it on cause I'm no victim...
new sherriff in town..and you cant do anything about it...

Merkin Baller

@MG79478, please reread my post. I clearly stated my job doesn't allow me to sit at a PC hitting F5 for as long as it takes to get tickets, I have duties to attend to at work, it's not that complicated.

I can schedule vacation time whenever I want, I just won't do it when 3 sales in 2011 had to be postponed / rescheduled due to servers crashing. (EV solo, PJ20, and Canada). Were there any other ticket sales that year that went smoothly? If the answer is no, I would be inclined to think that was the new norm, not the exception. I have no interest in punishing people with "less crappy jobs", I was just stating the reasons why the lottery works for me.

While on the subject, isn't the server issue the main reason they went to the lottery in the first place?

MG79478

EdsonNascimento wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

How many times do we have to go over this? There is no proof that the lottery has gotten tickets in the hands of more fans, and in fact the lottery is more ripe for fraud than F5 due to the ease of entry.

- The lottery has caused:
- More people to enter for shows they wouldn't have under F5 (hail mary for a popular show in the other leg)
- More people to sign up for multiple memberships
- More people who win tickets to trade their extra with other winners
- More people to scalp tickets

That's a lot of MORE's to support your argument that LESS people got tickets.

Sigh... Did you read anything beyond the word "more"? How would someone with multiple memberships, help get tickets in to hands of other fans? How would an increase in scalping help get the tickets in to the hands of other fans? How does lottery winners trading with other lottery winners help get the tickets in to the hands of other fans? How does someone who already got a first priority show on one leg, throwing a "hail mary" first priority for the other leg help get tickets in to the hands of other fans?

dimitrispearljam wrote:

you still dont have a clue,thats why more different fans scored tix with lottery and not the usual ones who scored always,and many of the fans scored tix for the 1st time after years at the club!!awesome..
its time to learn the "tricks" of the lottery to score..
oh wait..there is no tricks..no power..that crap ends..

and keep talking about me personally,like you think bringing the number of my post to the conversation will make your argument stronger..
i dont give a fuck....i I've seen -heard all before..Bring it on cause I'm no victim...
new sherriff in town..and you cant do anything about it...

Haha... there are more tricks to the lottery! That's the irony of the situation.

I'm sorry you consider your post count to be something personal about you. That says a lot about what's important to you. I don't need to make my argument any stronger, unlike your close minded emotional responses, I post facts and counterpoints. It's like taking candy from a baby!

And yes, there is something that I and all the other lottery haters can do, and it is the EXACT same thing the F5 haters did for years... complain and hope for change. The lottery in it's current form is a failure, and at least needs to be fixed, if not eliminated.

MG79478

Merkin Baller wrote:

@MG79478, please reread my post. I clearly stated my job doesn't allow me to sit at a PC hitting F5 for as long as it takes to get tickets, I have duties to attend to at work, it's not that complicated.

I can schedule vacation time whenever I want, I just won't do it when 3 sales in 2011 had to be postponed / rescheduled due to servers crashing. (EV solo, PJ20, and Canada). Were there any other ticket sales that year that went smoothly? If the answer is no, I would be inclined to think that was the new norm, not the exception. I have no interest in punishing people with "less crappy jobs", I was just stating the reasons why the lottery works for me.

While on the subject, isn't the server issue the main reason they went to the lottery in the first place?

@Merkin Baller, please reread my post. I clearly never ask why you can't sit at a PC all day hitting F5, or get anywhere near talking about hitting F5 all day at work. Here, will quote it for you:

MG79478 wrote:

What type of job prohibits you from taking vacation to get tickets, and from arranging for someone else with computer access to get them for you? (As for the "server crash" excuse, that was the exception, not the norm... and isn't a big enough factor to be worthy of mention.) And if such a job exists (it doesn't), why do you keep it? And why do you want to punish those who aren't stuck in such crappy jobs?

So there were problems with 3 sales out of how many hundred? (Every lottery so far 1/1 has been a mess.) PJ20 was bad, but I still got reserved tickets on the original on sale date. I think the EV problems were in Europe, and the Canadian show were obviously in Canada. Having all 3 of those problems affect you had to be an extremely rare occurrence. And if you go to so many shows that all 3 of those did affect you, then chances are it is still 3 out of hundreds. That's not bad!

So if you can schedule vacation whenever you want, I don't see the problem. Other people thought that it was important enough to take vacation. With F5 and enough time and effort, you could guarantee yourself tickets, that was totally worth a day off.

Do you really think that even people who sit in front of a PC all day, that their job "allows" them to buy tickets? They have to take a risk to move around their work schedule, and do it on company time. So maybe it's harder for you to get away with than others, but that is your choice. No job really allows their employees to do something like that, that's not why they pay you.

What about getting someone else to help? You didn't address that. Is there no friend, or relative that would have helped you get tickets? Or could you buy on a smart phone? If it wasn't for these methods, I wouldn't have been 100% with the F5 system. But some people see dead ends, others see minor obstacles. Think about it in terms of the "good old days" of waiting in line for tickets. The person who waited the longest should get the best tickets. But the longer you wait the more impact it has on your life. Based on how high of a priority those tickets are to you, you re-arrange your life to wait in line longer. If someone was willing to take off from work all week, and have the grandparents watch the kids, to wait in line, and you didn't because you have other priorities.... you don't deserve the tickets.

BF89905

Think about it in terms of the "good old days" of waiting in line for tickets. The person who waited the longest should get the best tickets. But the longer you wait the more impact it has on your life. Based on how high of a priority those tickets are to you, you re-arrange your life to wait in line longer. If someone was willing to take off from work all week, and have the grandparents watch the kids, to wait in line, and you didn't because you have other priorities.... you don't deserve the tickets.[/quote]

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Waiting in line early for a couple of hours (or more) at a ticketing location with friends and socializing while seeing tangible progress made in front of you is very different than the solitary, pride-swallowing, frustrating hours that were spent trying to get tickets to shows using the former ticketing system.

Many posts have been written in the past 6 months by fans that claim they had a perfect/near-perfect success rate using the former system - that's great. However, the fact that some fans claim they were virtually guaranteed to get tickets using the old system suggests to most non-selfish people that the system needed to be changed. When purchasing your 10C membership it is clearly stated that you're not guaranteed tickets as the demand often exceeds the supply.

Enjoy the music and shows.