New Lottery System

dimitrispearljam

BF89905 wrote:

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Waiting in line early for a couple of hours (or more) at a ticketing location with friends and socializing while seeing tangible progress made in front of you is very different than the solitary, pride-swallowing, frustrating hours that were spent trying to get tickets to shows using the former ticketing system.

Many posts have been written in the past 6 months by fans that claim they had a perfect/near-perfect success rate using the former system - that's great. However, the fact that some fans claim they were virtually guaranteed to get tickets using the old system suggests to most non-selfish people that the system needed to be changed. When purchasing your 10C membership it is clearly stated that you're not guaranteed tickets as the demand often exceeds the supply.

Enjoy the music and shows.

well said

shortstack

BF89905 wrote:

When purchasing your 10C membership it is clearly stated that you're not guaranteed tickets as the demand often exceeds the supply.

but again.... back in the nineties (when a lot of people signed up) it was implied that if you wanted tickets to see the band you should join the fan club - just sayin

MG79478

BF89905 wrote:

Think about it in terms of the "good old days" of waiting in line for tickets. The person who waited the longest should get the best tickets. But the longer you wait the more impact it has on your life. Based on how high of a priority those tickets are to you, you re-arrange your life to wait in line longer. If someone was willing to take off from work all week, and have the grandparents watch the kids, to wait in line, and you didn't because you have other priorities.... you don't deserve the tickets.

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Waiting in line early for a couple of hours (or more) at a ticketing location with friends and socializing while seeing tangible progress made in front of you is very different than the solitary, pride-swallowing, frustrating hours that were spent trying to get tickets to shows using the former ticketing system.

Many posts have been written in the past 6 months by fans that claim they had a perfect/near-perfect success rate using the former system - that's great. However, the fact that some fans claim they were virtually guaranteed to get tickets using the old system suggests to most non-selfish people that the system needed to be changed. When purchasing your 10C membership it is clearly stated that you're not guaranteed tickets as the demand often exceeds the supply.

Enjoy the music and shows.[/quote]

It was rarely "hours" of frustration, but you know that.

You want to talk selfish... it's wanting a lottery because "it works for me, I have a shot at something for nothing". What kind of world do we live in when people could possibly think wanting to put effort out to achieve a goal is selfish?

dimitrispearljam

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BF89905

MG79478 wrote:

BF89905 wrote:

Think about it in terms of the "good old days" of waiting in line for tickets. The person who waited the longest should get the best tickets. But the longer you wait the more impact it has on your life. Based on how high of a priority those tickets are to you, you re-arrange your life to wait in line longer. If someone was willing to take off from work all week, and have the grandparents watch the kids, to wait in line, and you didn't because you have other priorities.... you don't deserve the tickets.

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Waiting in line early for a couple of hours (or more) at a ticketing location with friends and socializing while seeing tangible progress made in front of you is very different than the solitary, pride-swallowing, frustrating hours that were spent trying to get tickets to shows using the former ticketing system.

Many posts have been written in the past 6 months by fans that claim they had a perfect/near-perfect success rate using the former system - that's great. However, the fact that some fans claim they were virtually guaranteed to get tickets using the old system suggests to most non-selfish people that the system needed to be changed. When purchasing your 10C membership it is clearly stated that you're not guaranteed tickets as the demand often exceeds the supply.

Enjoy the music and shows.

It was rarely "hours" of frustration, but you know that.

You want to talk selfish... it's wanting a lottery because "it works for me, I have a shot at something for nothing". What kind of world do we live in when people could possibly think wanting to put effort out to achieve a goal is selfish?[/quote]

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Trying (unsuccessfully) to get 10C tickets for shows in NYC 2010, PJ20, and southern Ontario 2011 Canadian shows were hour(s)-long ordeals.

I have a shot at tickets because I paid for a 10C membership. I don't have a 100% success rate with the current lottery system and that's just fine - so long as hours of my personal time are not wasted refreshing a web page.

I agree with you that merit and effort should be determining factors for earning success in many areas of life.

You and I disagree that trying to get concert tickets through the 10C needs to/may require hours of personal time, computer-savviness unbeknownst to many members, and efforts from other family members and friends. That's fine, no hard feelings. Enjoy

Backspacer_Backer

I the new system.

Merkin Baller

"MG79478 wrote:What type of job prohibits you from taking vacation to get tickets, and from arranging for someone else with computer access to get them for you? "


I never said my job prohibits me from taking vacation time to get tickets, I said I refused to take vacation time after going through 3 sales in 2011 in which the servers crashed and the sales got postponed. (I feel like if you had read it in its entirety you would have got that, apologies if it was unclear)

These were not problems with European concerts, these were right here in North America.
I got my 10c tickets for Eddie Vedder in Hartford CT through the Bushnell theater website. I got my 10c tickets for Montreal in 2011 through Evenko (a Canadian version of Ticketmaster, maybe not as big). These companies (as well as Ticketmaster, and other ticket companies) had to facilitate the sales of numerous 10c tickets in 2011 because the website couldn't handle the traffic. I kind of feel like it was hard to be around here on the forum and not have heard about it, but maybe it wasn't as big a deal as I remember.

I was under the impression the 10c website couldn't handle the traffic anymore. For you to dismiss those server crashes and rescheduled 10c ticket sales as "not worth mentioning" is dismissing what I thought was a huge reason why they felt they had to come up with a new system. This way, they can still put 10c tickets into the hands of 10c members without going through companies like Evenko, Ticketmaster or whomever (for the obvious reasons of cost increase, fees etc.)

Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong in thinking the server crashes were a huge reason for the lottery.


BF89905 also just brought up a great point.
We shouldn't have to put in effort or time to get these tickets. As dues paying members we are guaranteed a chance to buy tickets. The lottery does just that. It guarantees me a chance.

You don't like it, that's your prerogative. If I like it, that's mine. To call people lazy and selfish and "wanting something for nothing" is a bit presumptuous. I don't want something for nothing, I want what I paid for with my dues, a chance to buy 10c tickets.

Good luck getting tickets to the shows you want to go to man, if the day of the show rolls around, and you're still empty-handed stay on Ticketmaster all day (if they handled the original sale)
It's not uncommon for them to release tickets on the day of the show, even for high-demand shows like these.

Peace.

dimitrispearljam

Merkin Baller

what a great post!!!!!
i wish i could write so good English like you!!!

RESPECT!!!

3legged dog

I have been a faithful club member since 2006. Actually was one since 1998 but let me membership slip and re-upped in 2006, anyways, I tried getting 10c tix all these years and never got them til this year (GA Worcester 2) I have seen and experience the old and current system and I believe in my opinion that the new system is fairest. Thank you 10c.

3legged dog

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Get_Right

To suggest that the old f5 system was anything but a failure is a complete denial.

Lottery may not be ideal, but the endless crashing that went on with the f5 system was a complete failure.
I had good luck under the old system but am dealing with the new system. Adapt and overcome. The 10c has always made changes to the system, this is nothing new. Fact is, if you pick smart, lottery is a heck of lot easier.

Beegirl1980

MG79478 wrote:

How many times do we have to go over this? There is no proof that the lottery has gotten tickets in the hands of more fans, and in fact the lottery is more ripe for fraud than F5 due to the ease of entry.

- The lottery has caused:
- More people to enter for shows they wouldn't have under F5 (hail mary for a popular show in the other leg)
- More people to sign up for multiple memberships
- More people who win tickets to trade their extra with other winners
- More people to scalp tickets

How do you figure the lottery has caused all this? You have a point on the first one, but even if people signed up for several shows, the chances of winning decrease significantly with a lower priority number. The tickets are assigned to people who have that particular show as their number 1 priority, and if there are any tickets left after that, they are assigned to the number 2's etc etc. Even if you signed up for 10 shows, the chances of winning tickets to your # 10 priority are pretty slim.

Regarding the multiple memberships: according to the Ten Club FAQ, multiple memberships are not allowed, and since you are required to pick up your tickets with a photo ID, how would you be able to pick up more than two tickets when the Ten Club clearly states that this is not allowed?

- More people who win tickets to trade their extra with other winners How is this a bad thing? If you have an extra and you can help another Tenclubber out, what's not to love?

More people to scalp tickets Scalp tickets how? You can only get tickets with a photo ID on the day of the show. Furthermore, the Ten Club does not allow reselling of tickets above face value. If people are ever caught reselling tickets, they will be banned.

Also, compared to the old system, I don't think there is a difference in the number of fans who are able to get their hands on tickets. If they had a 100,000 tickets with the old system, and 100,000 with the lottery, at the end of the day that's still 100,000 fans with tickets...

Personally, I have never been able to get tickets through the old system. I have spent entire nights hitting F5 to no avail. With the new system, I put in my name and crossed my fingers, and was lucky enough to score tickets to two shows. I am all for the new system

dimitrispearljam

3legged dog wrote:

I have been a faithful club member since 2006. Actually was one since 1998 but let me membership slip and re-upped in 2006, anyways, I tried getting 10c tix all these years and never got them til this year (GA Worcester 2) I have seen and experience the old and current system and I believe in my opinion that the new system is fairest. Thank you 10c.

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dimitrispearljam

Beegirl1980 wrote:

How do you figure the lottery has caused all this? You have a point on the first one, but even if people signed up for several shows, the chances of winning decrease significantly with a lower priority number. The tickets are assigned to people who have that particular show as their number 1 priority, and if there are any tickets left after that, they are assigned to the number 2's etc etc. Even if you signed up for 10 shows, the chances of winning tickets to your # 10 priority are pretty slim.

Regarding the multiple memberships: according to the Ten Club FAQ, multiple memberships are not allowed, and since you are required to pick up your tickets with a photo ID, how would you be able to pick up more than two tickets when the Ten Club clearly states that this is not allowed?

- More people who win tickets to trade their extra with other winners How is this a bad thing? If you have an extra and you can help another Tenclubber out, what's not to love?

More people to scalp tickets Scalp tickets how? You can only get tickets with a photo ID on the day of the show. Furthermore, the Ten Club does not allow reselling of tickets above face value. If people are ever caught reselling tickets, they will be banned.

Also, compared to the old system, I don't think there is a difference in the number of fans who are able to get their hands on tickets. If they had a 100,000 tickets with the old system, and 100,000 with the lottery, at the end of the day that's still 100,000 fans with tickets...

Personally, I have never been able to get tickets through the old system. I have spent entire nights hitting F5 to no avail. With the new system, I put in my name and crossed my fingers, and was lucky enough to score tickets to two shows. I am all for the new system

i love Beegirl1980!!!!

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VIVA MEXICO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MG79478

Merkin Baller wrote:

I never said my job prohibits me from taking vacation time to get tickets, I said I refused to take vacation time after going through 3 sales in 2011 in which the servers crashed and the sales got postponed. (I feel like if you had read it in its entirety you would have got that, apologies if it was unclear)

I was trying to make this point... YOU had refused to take the vacation, it was your choice, because you had other priorities in life to use that vacation for.

Merkin Baller wrote:

BF89905 also just brought up a great point.
We shouldn't have to put in effort or time to get these tickets. As dues paying members we are guaranteed a chance to buy tickets. The lottery does just that. It guarantees me a chance.

You were guaranteed a chance in the F5 system, with better odds! Why shouldn't people have to put in effort to get what they want? Kids study hard in high school to get accepted to a good college, if college admission was left to a lottery, what would happen? Lotteries in all forms are de-motivating. What you lose is the ability to say, "I'm going to get the best tickets, and no one is going to stop me." Just like with venue entry, if you want to be first in line and front fow center for a GA show, YOU can decide to put out more effort than anyone else and achieve that. A lottery for venue entry would ruin that. Many people were perfect or near perfect with F5 because they simply refused to stop refreshing until they got tickets.

Merkin Baller wrote:

Good luck getting tickets to the shows you want to go to man, if the day of the show rolls around, and you're still empty-handed stay on Ticketmaster all day (if they handled the original sale)
It's not uncommon for them to release tickets on the day of the show, even for high-demand shows like these.

Peace.

I have tickets to every show I want to go to... thank god that tickemaster, tickets.com, and comcasttix don't run a lottery!

MG79478

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Merkin Baller

what a great post!!!!!
i wish i could write so good English like you!!!

RESPECT!!!

Now it is clear why your posts are so short and devoid of useful content... you just want to raise your post count!

Get_Right wrote:

To suggest that the old f5 system was anything but a failure is a complete denial.

Lottery may not be ideal, but the endless crashing that went on with the f5 system was a complete failure.
I had good luck under the old system but am dealing with the new system. Adapt and overcome. The 10c has always made changes to the system, this is nothing new. Fact is, if you pick smart, lottery is a heck of lot easier.

The F5 system worked fine hundreds of times, and put the tickets in to the hands of those who wanted them the most. Having 3 rough sales is hardly "endless crashing". I spent more time refreshing my lottery page than nearly all F5 sales.

Of course the lottery is easier... easy ruins our odds.

dimitrispearljam

after all those years!!!!!

members scored tix for the first time!!!!

EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you 10c..!!

NAILED IT!!!

+ 1 post for me..|!!!whooohoooo bitches!!

MG79478

Beegirl1980 wrote:

How do you figure the lottery has caused all this? You have a point on the first one, but even if people signed up for several shows, the chances of winning decrease significantly with a lower priority number. The tickets are assigned to people who have that particular show as their number 1 priority, and if there are any tickets left after that, they are assigned to the number 2's etc etc. Even if you signed up for 10 shows, the chances of winning tickets to your # 10 priority are pretty slim.

Regarding the multiple memberships: according to the Ten Club FAQ, multiple memberships are not allowed, and since you are required to pick up your tickets with a photo ID, how would you be able to pick up more than two tickets when the Ten Club clearly states that this is not allowed?

- More people who win tickets to trade their extra with other winners How is this a bad thing? If you have an extra and you can help another Tenclubber out, what's not to love?

More people to scalp tickets Scalp tickets how? You can only get tickets with a photo ID on the day of the show. Furthermore, the Ten Club does not allow reselling of tickets above face value. If people are ever caught reselling tickets, they will be banned.

Also, compared to the old system, I don't think there is a difference in the number of fans who are able to get their hands on tickets. If they had a 100,000 tickets with the old system, and 100,000 with the lottery, at the end of the day that's still 100,000 fans with tickets...

Personally, I have never been able to get tickets through the old system. I have spent entire nights hitting F5 to no avail. With the new system, I put in my name and crossed my fingers, and was lucky enough to score tickets to two shows. I am all for the new system

If you have your wife, sign up, you doubled your odds. Get your best friend to sign up, you tripled your odds. So on and so forth. Chances are most will get their first or second choice,and the cost of a membership is not that much. Not to mention you can have a fake ID, and the people workign the booths will be none the wiser... they have no way of knowing a fake.

As for trading tickets, the point you are missing is that those who have tickets (won via lottery) trade them to others who have tickest (won via lottery). Those who lost have nothing to trade. The rich get richer. If people really wanted to help, and really wanted to get tickets in to the hands of more fans, they wouldn't trade them for other tickets, they would sell them at face value to fans who got shut out.

Obviously if they have 100,000 tickets, the method of distribution will not change the number given out. The question is WHO are they distributed to? Because the lottery has loopholes and is easy to enter, they are going to people with multiple membership, and scalpers. It certainly doesn't help more different people get tickets as some claim.

dimitrispearljam

+ 1 post for me..|!!!whooohoooo bitches!!

MG79478

dimitrispearljam wrote:

after all those years!!!!!

members scored tix for the first time!!!!

EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you 10c..!!

NAILED IT!!!

+ 1 post for me..|!!!whooohoooo bitches!!

Why stop at one post? You could easily make a couple more worthless posts. Just repeat the same crap you always do, and add a bunch of exclamation points. You'll be writing a setlist for the band in no time if you keep the posting up!