Family Pit Bulls Kill Child

pandora

http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-p ... -pit-bulls

if you are interested in learning more, becoming educated on the breed, this is a great article
some of the facts will surprise you and maybe the truth will keep some from their bias

there is also a fun game of identifying a Pit ... I got it on one try

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

if you are interested in learning more, becoming educated on the breed, this is a great article
some of the facts will surprise you and maybe the truth will keep some from their bias

there is also a fun game of identifying a Pit ... I got it on one try

Thank you.
I already knew all the facts - they don't change my opinion at all, because i also know all the other facts that aren't included there, and think that the separation of the results of ownership and the theoretical possibilities of pit bulls is irrelevant. However, everyone should definately know as much as they can before forming their opinions.

chadwick

I've seen a pitbull run straight up a tree as if a cat, latch onto a pair of old ass blue jeans & hang there some 12 feet or higher off the ground by its darn mouth. this same dog charged me in the dark & all I saw was a opened mouth & teeth. luckily I cleared a wooden privacy fence before I was bit & eaten.

this dog knew I wasn't a stranger because I got pot marijuana off the owner of the place more than once a week.

when you watch a dog run up a vertical tree trunk quite some distance & hang from a pair of jeans by its mouth you'll crap in your drawers

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

if you are interested in learning more, becoming educated on the breed, this is a great article
some of the facts will surprise you and maybe the truth will keep some from their bias

there is also a fun game of identifying a Pit ... I got it on one try

This 'Pit Bull' friendly site does its best to try and debunk or minimize the 'myths' they speak of regarding pit bulls, but in the event you even bothered to read it... the site does not exactly promote pit bulls as a loving, friendly and safe pets that you can just go purchase and then reap the social and emotional benefits. In short, the site is saying, "If getting one, you can pull this off; but you better be really careful and take precautions!"

For example... interspersed with the 'they're not all bad' and 'you might be surprised' anecdotes... they offer the following helpful information among a bunch of other stuff:

1. Bred for blood sport which has led to their rough disposition.
2. Easily encouraged to fight with other dogs. Early intervention and socialization with other dogs is critical.
3. The slightest aggravation and they can turn nasty quickly.
4. Owners looking to present a tough image encourage their dogs to be aggressive.
5. Many pitbulls should not be left alone with other cats, dogs, and other pets- they have been bred for fighting and they are really good at it.
6. The dog park is not a good place to take your pitbull.
7. Insensitive to pain which sometimes makes the dog difficult to handle.

Hmmm. Not exactly a glowing recommendation. So much risk for a dog. What's the upside? There are other dogs out there that one would not have to worry about so much and would love you as much if not more. Begs the question... why choose a pit bull?

donnaruhl

Why choose a Chiwawa. I have a Toy Fox-Chiwawa mix,And I've had my mail taken away,because he's gotten out and harassed the mail carrier. He was labeled a nuisance. I had one years ago,that did the same thing.Only they took everyone's mail away for a week,and we had to get a P.O Box.Mine is a wanna-be Pit Bull.

chadwick

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

if you are interested in learning more, becoming educated on the breed, this is a great article
some of the facts will surprise you and maybe the truth will keep some from their bias

there is also a fun game of identifying a Pit ... I got it on one try

This 'Pit Bull' friendly site does its best to try and debunk or minimize the 'myths' they speak of regarding pit bulls, but in the event you even bothered to read it... the site does not exactly promote pit bulls as a loving, friendly and safe pets that you can just go purchase and then reap the social and emotional benefits. In short, the site is saying, "If getting one, you can pull this off; but you better be really careful and take precautions!"

For example... interspersed with the 'they're not all bad' and 'you might be surprised' anecdotes... they offer the following helpful information among a bunch of other stuff:

1. Bred for blood sport which has led to their rough disposition.
2. Easily encouraged to fight with other dogs. Early intervention and socialization with other dogs is critical.
3. The slightest aggravation and they can turn nasty quickly.
4. Owners looking to present a tough image encourage their dogs to be aggressive.
5. Many pitbulls should not be left alone with other cats, dogs, and other pets- they have been bred for fighting and they are really good at it.
6. The dog park is not a good place to take your pitbull.
7. Insensitive to pain which sometimes makes the dog difficult to handle.

Hmmm. Not exactly a glowing recommendation. So much risk for a dog. What's the upside? There are other dogs out there that one would not have to worry about so much and would love you as much if not more. Begs the question... why choose a pit bull?

thank you, thirty bills unpaid

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

if you are interested in learning more, becoming educated on the breed, this is a great article
some of the facts will surprise you and maybe the truth will keep some from their bias

there is also a fun game of identifying a Pit ... I got it on one try [/quot

This 'Pit Bull' friendly site does its best to try and debunk or minimize the 'myths' they speak of regarding pit bulls, but in the event you even bothered to read it... the site does not exactly promote pit bulls as a loving, friendly and safe pets that you can just go purchase and then reap the social and emotional benefits. In short, the site is saying, "If getting one, you can pull this off; but you better be really careful and take precautions!"

For example... interspersed with the 'they're not all bad' and 'you might be surprised' anecdotes... they offer the following helpful information among a bunch of other stuff:

1. Bred for blood sport which has led to their rough disposition.
2. Easily encouraged to fight with other dogs. Early intervention and socialization with other dogs is critical.
3. The slightest aggravation and they can turn nasty quickly.
4. Owners looking to present a tough image encourage their dogs to be aggressive.
5. Many pitbulls should not be left alone with other cats, dogs, and other pets- they have been bred for fighting and they are really good at it.
6. The dog park is not a good place to take your pitbull.
7. Insensitive to pain which sometimes makes the dog difficult to handle.

Hmmm. Not exactly a glowing recommendation. So much risk for a dog. What's the upside? There are other dogs out there that one would not have to worry about so much and would love you as much if not more. Begs the question... why choose a pit bull?

Excellent post

PJ_Soul

donnaruhl wrote:

Why choose a Chiwawa. I have a Toy Fox-Chiwawa mix,And I've had my mail taken away,because he's gotten out and harassed the mail carrier. He was labeled a nuisance. I had one years ago,that did the same thing.Only they took everyone's mail away for a week,and we had to get a P.O Box.Mine is a wanna-be Pit Bull.

They do not tend to kill people.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

donnaruhl wrote:

Why choose a Chiwawa. I have a Toy Fox-Chiwawa mix,And I've had my mail taken away,because he's gotten out and harassed the mail carrier. He was labeled a nuisance. I had one years ago,that did the same thing.Only they took everyone's mail away for a week,and we had to get a P.O Box.Mine is a wanna-be Pit Bull.

Because if a chihuaua decides to go bite someone... the person won't have to undergo reconstructive surgery to repair tissue damage.

I guess the choice you have to make when deciding on a chihuahua is if you want to run the risk of having to go claim your mail... not the choice potential pit bull owners might have to make if you want to run the risk of your pet maiming or killing a neighbourhood toddler.

chadwick

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

donnaruhl wrote:

Why choose a Chiwawa. I have a Toy Fox-Chiwawa mix,And I've had my mail taken away,because he's gotten out and harassed the mail carrier. He was labeled a nuisance. I had one years ago,that did the same thing.Only they took everyone's mail away for a week,and we had to get a P.O Box.Mine is a wanna-be Pit Bull.

Because if a chihuaua decides to go bite someone... the person won't have to undergo reconstructive surgery to repair tissue damage.

I guess the choice you have to make when deciding on a chihuahua is if you want to run the risk of having to go claim your mail... not the choice potential pit bull owners might have to make if you want to run the risk of your pet maiming or killing a neighbourhood toddler.

or a grown ass man or woman

rollings

chadwick wrote:

when you watch a dog run up a vertical tree trunk quite some distance & hang from a pair of jeans by its mouth you'll crap in your drawers

your utensil drawer?

ewww

Jeanwah

How ironic is this - I was talking to my mother in law earlier and her hand was bandaged up. I asked her what happened and she said that her 16 year old cat bit her twice while she casually was moving something near her. The bite wasn't deep enough for stitches but got infected the next day and swollen. She had to go to the ER and has to go back tomorrow. This is an indoor cat that's always been an indoor cat. Because my daughter gets near the cat a lot they're going to put the cat down as a result of the bites.

So there you have it; you can't trust any domestic animal 100%. All of the pit haters have one thing in common - hate. And looking towards pushing for more legislation to handle the attacks.

chadwick

Jeanwah wrote:

How ironic is this - I was talking to my mother in law earlier and her hand was bandaged up. I asked her what happened and she said that her 16 year old cat bit her twice while she casually was moving something near her. The bite wasn't deep enough for stitches but got infected the next day and swollen. She had to go to the ER and has to go back tomorrow. This is an indoor cat that's always been an indoor cat. Because my daughter gets near the cat a lot they're going to put the cat down as a result of the bites.

So there you have it; you can't trust any domestic animal 100%. All of the pit haters have one thing in common - hate. And looking towards pushing for more legislation to handle the attacks.

that is bullshit that they are having the cat killed. wtf is wrong with them? my mom's cat has fangs & claws & she scratches & bites often to get mom's attention like when mom is reading or whatever. yes the bites have drawl blood. you stroke a cat's fur against the grain so to speak and or have the cat on its back and rubbing its tummy often enough the cats take their fangs, grab your forearm & take their back legs & start ripping you up. this is no grounds for murdering cats.

I've really never known a cat that never did not bite or scratch the hell out of ppl. I feel you & your husband should do all you can to save that poor cat from death by mother in law. that is one unreal deal

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Jeanwah wrote:

How ironic is this - I was talking to my mother in law earlier and her hand was bandaged up. I asked her what happened and she said that her 16 year old cat bit her twice while she casually was moving something near her. The bite wasn't deep enough for stitches but got infected the next day and swollen. She had to go to the ER and has to go back tomorrow. This is an indoor cat that's always been an indoor cat. Because my daughter gets near the cat a lot they're going to put the cat down as a result of the bites.

So there you have it; you can't trust any domestic animal 100%. All of the pit haters have one thing in common - hate. And looking towards pushing for more legislation to handle the attacks.

It's not the cat's fault... don't do it! It's the owner's fault.

Look... you are no longer speaking to the points being made. You have shifted your comments towards the people making those points- calling them 'haters'. I realize it is very difficult to respond credibly to the weight of the argument placed before you... but as difficult as it might be... try to stick to the points.

There's a certain level of risk people are prepared to put up with. A cat bite and scratch are not so significant that they should ring any warning bells. The crazy, psychotic, ankle-biting pomeranian is an acceptable risk as well. Labradors and various other larger dogs are an acceptable risk given their somewhat gentler disposition- although by all means we have our exceptions with these breeds as well!

There is no sound argument that one could make to own a pit bull as a pet in an urban setting. The risk far outweighs the level of enjoyment one could ever hope to get... especially when one can get the same level of enjoyment from a variety of other, calmer, and gentler breeds.

Given the options an owner has before they make their choice... one really has to scratch their head and wonder why someone would choose a pit bull? I don't really care to surmise, but I cannot get my head around the idea of acquiring a dog that you would continually have to keep an eye on and could never fully trust.

Now... if I lived on a range or in the mountains... I could understand the need for such a formidable dog as a partner. Does it make any sense to own an Siberian Husky when you live in Arizona? It's built for the cold regions. It would be miserable. Pit bulls are built for running all day and performing vigorous tasks as well as sinking their teeth into things (kind of like working with your hands). Do you think it is truly happy being converted to a lap dog? This is another significant reason why they go psycho.

hedonist

Topic aside - I'm really sorry about the cat, Jeanwah. I hope there's another way to go.

Jeanwah

chadwick wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

How ironic is this - I was talking to my mother in law earlier and her hand was bandaged up. I asked her what happened and she said that her 16 year old cat bit her twice while she casually was moving something near her. The bite wasn't deep enough for stitches but got infected the next day and swollen. She had to go to the ER and has to go back tomorrow. This is an indoor cat that's always been an indoor cat. Because my daughter gets near the cat a lot they're going to put the cat down as a result of the bites.

So there you have it; you can't trust any domestic animal 100%. All of the pit haters have one thing in common - hate. And looking towards pushing for more legislation to handle the attacks.

that is bullshit that they are having the cat killed. wtf is wrong with them? my mom's cat has fangs & claws & she scratches & bites often to get mom's attention like when mom is reading or whatever. yes the bites have drawl blood. you stroke a cat's fur against the grain so to speak and or have the cat on its back and rubbing its tummy often enough the cats take their fangs, grab your forearm & take their back legs & start ripping you up. this is no grounds for murdering cats.

I've really never known a cat that never did not bite or scratch the hell out of ppl. I feel you & your husband should do all you can to save that poor cat from death by mother in law. that is one unreal deal

What is it with people telling others what they should do with their pets? I don't tell anyone what they should do with their animals, so keep the personal comments away from me. It's not my cat, and since the owners have top responsibility, they act accordingly. This whole thread is nothing but a total judgment call on pit bulls, their owners, and the owners of any pet at all (as well as all dogs and pets, for that matter).

I've stood by my point the entire time, that all dogs are unpredictable, like to bite, and now, that cats are unpredictable and like to bite as well. People should know what they get into, and RESPECT that no dog, wolf, or cat is ever 100% tame. Thirty Bills - you obviously have an issue with pitbulls. In my opinion, that would be a hater. I'm sorry that you don't like the term, but that's how you come off. And I'm done here.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Jeanwah wrote:

What is it with people telling others what they should do with their pets? I don't tell anyone what they should do with their animals, so keep the personal comments away from me. It's not my cat, and since the owners have top responsibility, they act accordingly. This whole thread is nothing but a total judgment call on pit bulls, their owners, and the owners of any pet at all (as well as all dogs and pets, for that matter).

I've stood by my point the entire time, that all dogs are unpredictable, like to bite, and now, that cats are unpredictable and like to bite as well. People should know what they get into, and RESPECT that no dog, wolf, or cat is ever 100% tame. Thirty Bills - you obviously have an issue with pitbulls. In my opinion, that would be a hater. I'm sorry that you don't like the term, but that's how you come off. And I'm done here.

Jeanwah... you obviously seek to ignore the disturbing incidents we continually hear of involving pit bulls and their assaults on people by making lame rationalizations such as this most recent one: other dogs and cats bite too. Such a comparison, to my way of thinking, is as poor as the "cars kill people too" defence gun enthusiasts use to defend assault weapons. You seem to wish to ignore the degree of damage a dog such as a pit bull is capable of delivering compared to the other animals you make reference to: a cat attack is a far cry from a pit bull attack. Let's get serious.

I am not sure you have read my posts in their entirety. I would suggest not skimming to draw your conclusions. I have no problem with pit bulls in their proper element. They need space and they need activity- not to mention very good training. If an owner cannot provide these... they really have no business owning one. If they are trying to make their pit bull a lap dog... why not just buy a lap dog and eliminate the stress on the dog (cooped up all the time and unable to run) as well as the risk for others.

So... in the event I haven't been clear enough for you: I don't really have an issue with the breed as much as I do poor owners. When I promote legal liability with poor ownership, I do so to hold owners fully accountable for their choices. When I promote a ban... it is because I have little to no confidence that every person seeking the companionship of a pit bull will raise it properly; hence, we will continue to read of these tragic stories.

But... let's not get too personal. I have friends that own pit bulls and, while I do not agree with their choice for pets... they are great guys and great friends. I try my best to like the dogs and in all honesty... the dogs are pretty cool... but I still don't trust them and I watch them carefully. It's more a case of being proactive- bonding with the dog so that it knows damn well who I am, but as wise as this might be on my part... why should I feel the need to be so? I won't let my kids around them unless I am right there. Some of the people on here- including yourself- sound like great people too. Our positions might differ, but I am still okay with you and wish you very well.

Life would be very boring if everyone mutely ambled through life without so much as a whimper when issues presented themselves. Give us your best... it's appreciated.

goingtoverona

who cares about the tens of thousands of pits that you don't hear about in the news because they are just regular dogs living with their owners? let's ban em all. i've looked into two or three pit bulls eyes and saw true evil. i also saw a news story on tv that said pit bulls are bad. that's all i need to sterotype a whole breed. anyone got a petition or something going to really get this ball rolling?

JimmyV

Once the pitbulls are gone what breed do we eliminate next?

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

if you are interested in learning more, becoming educated on the breed, this is a great article
some of the facts will surprise you and maybe the truth will keep some from their bias

there is also a fun game of identifying a Pit ... I got it on one try

Thank you.
I already knew all the facts - they don't change my opinion at all, because i also know all the other facts that aren't included there, and think that the separation of the results of ownership and the theoretical possibilities of pit bulls is irrelevant. However, everyone should definately know as much as they can before forming their opinions.

My Lucy... gentle Shep-pit

you know all the facts... really :?
Did you read it? the facts on the breed? Nothing was omitted.Takes but a few moments to read.
It is very unbiased not in favor of ownership or banning just honest facts by an organization
we can trust. It touches on who should be an owner, what to expect and provide,
myths ...some of which people are siting here,
perhaps even you though I have not read all your posts. Maybe at least read the myths.

Who is negligent here? Horribly so.
The family here with 7 pit bulls in the back yard do we think they were knowledgable owners?
respected the breed and the present danger of any breed pack of that size with a 2 year old?

Do we think that a dog door should be locked so a 2 yr old can not leave the house
to any number of dangers? As I mentioned my son's nose was bitten badly
as a 3 year old by a Beagle.

Do we think a home with a small child any pack of dogs that size should be kept?

Life experience teaches much. I love pit bulls because I have known many who have been
raised by wonderfully responsible educated owners. They are no different than any other breed.

But as the article mentions pits and other aggressive breeds have attracted
a certain type of owner for all the wrong reasons.
Here in Georgia many buy an aggressive breed, dump it in the backyard
fenced or sadly chained, and literally forget about it. Life on a fucking leash.
No socialization as the article mentions. No love, no bonding.
Fortunately through education, this is very slowly improving.

One day people will recognize what dogs were put here for.
They have a job and they deserve love.


Lucy's job is to look adorable and let me give her full length hugs
I hope everyone one day gets to know this kind of love. Different than all others.