According to The Associated Press, a 14-year-old Phoenix boy shot an armed intruder who broke into his home at approximately 4:30 p.m. Saturday, June 23. At that time, the boy was babysitting his younger siblings, ages eight, 12 and 12.
The incident started with a woman ringing the doorbell to the residence. Since the boy didn’t recognize the woman, he refused to open the door.
A short time later, the boy heard a loud bang, which he correctly assumed was someone attempting to force entry through the door. The boy gathered his siblings and hurried them upstairs as he armed himself with a handgun from his parent’s bedroom.
From the top of the stairs, the boy saw a man break open the front door. When the man pointed a gun at the boy, the boy shot the man. The man did not fire his weapon.
The 53-year-old woman, who is also a veteran private school counselor, was alone at the time of the Wednesday morning attack. She lives on East Mount Tabor Circle in Duluth.
The woman was getting out of the shower when she was met by a strange man with a kitchen knife, police said. They said there was a struggle in the bathroom, and she fell in the tub. Police later identified the man as Israel Perez Puentes, a Cuban national who lived in Alpharetta.
"The male was armed with a kitchen knife, a struggle ensued between the two of them. She fell in the bathtub injuring herself," Gwinnett police spokesman Edwin Ritter said.
The woman tried to fight the man off with a shower rod, and he forced her into her bedroom, police said. They said she told her attacker she had money in the room. But she grabbed a .22-caliber handgun and shot the man nine times, police said.
Police said the man ran out of a back door and collapsed in the yard. He later died at the Gwinnett Medical Center. The victim, who was injured in the scuffle, was also taken to the hospital for treatment of non-life-threatening injuries. Police have not released her name.
Monica Jones said Thursday she was more angry than afraid when she rushed to the aid of a screaming neighbor girl, pointed a shotgun at a man who had allegedly ripped off the youngster's clothes, and warned: ''Stay put or I'll shoot.''
''You don't think about getting hurt,'' Ms. Jones, a mother of three, said in an interview. ''If someone is getting hurt, I can't close my door.''
Police credit Ms. Jones' quick action with preventing the 12-year-old girl from being raped.
''She's a heroine,'' said police Capt. Robert Richters. ''She did an outstanding job - simply outstanding.''
But Ms. Jones, 28, said her actions under the circumstances were only normal.
''I wasn't going to stand back and let this man take this child and do awful things to her,'' she said. ''She wasn't nothing but a baby. If she were my child, I would hope somebody would be there to save her.''
So must everyone be like you? I enjoy guns and I enjoy collecting them, and I enjoy knowing that if anyone breaks into my home to cause us any harm I will be able to protect my family. Maybe things like that don't happen in your country but here we have thousands of stories of people protecting their families because they had a gun. But of course, you don't hear those stories on the news.
nope. never said anyone had to be like me. But I resent someone telling me that I'm a pussy for not wanting to own a gun, or not "understanding" my need to own one, or fearing a gun.
I live in Canada, not Neverland. Winnipeg is the murder capital of Canada. So yeah, things like that happen here all the time. I live my life as most other Canadians do.
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keep posting random articles about people defending themselves with handguns or rifles. that's not the main issue here, but you gun folks tend to ignore that. no one cares about your one gun you have in the house.
we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
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So must everyone be like you? I enjoy guns and I enjoy collecting them, and I enjoy knowing that if anyone breaks into my home to cause us any harm I will be able to protect my family. Maybe things like that don't happen in your country but here we have thousands of stories of people protecting their families because they had a gun. But of course, you don't hear those stories on the news.
nope. never said anyone had to be like me. But I resent someone telling me that I'm a pussy for not wanting to own a gun, or not "understanding" my need to own one, or fearing a gun.
I live in Canada, not Neverland. Winnipeg is the murder capital of Canada. So yeah, things like that happen here all the time. I live my life as most other Canadians do.
Ok. But just for the record, I didn't call you a pussy. If you don't want a gun then don't have one. And that goes for every anti gun liberal out there. Why would I care? But on another note, I don't want them telling me I can't. As far as registering, I'm undecided I guess. Part of me says well maybe it might do some good if they got stolen. But a whole lot of me says I don't trust these government fucking crooks that are trying to control my life. You live in Canada......so you're used to it (little sarcastic joke)
keep posting random articles about people defending themselves with handguns or rifles. that's not the main issue here, but you gun folks tend to ignore that. no one cares about your one gun you have in the house.
we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
these are guns that were around at the drafting of the 2nd amendment. these are the "arms" they were referring to. how many massacres were committed by one person using these guns?
anyone care to address my question?
I don't know but i'd love to have some of those.
your reply, which was complete deflection by the way, demonstrates that you do not want to discuss the 2nd amendment in the context that it was written, because you can't tell me that some dude walked into a public place and massacred a bunch of people with a single shot gun, which was all that existed back then. in the time that it takes to load one of them, he could have been tackled. the same argument can be made for limiting the number of rounds in a clip. you should stop wasting all of our time if you do not want to have an actual productive discussion.
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"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
keep posting random articles about people defending themselves with handguns or rifles. that's not the main issue here, but you gun folks tend to ignore that. no one cares about your one gun you have in the house.
we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
for every one of those stories he posted i can post 10 different articles detailing mass shootings.
none of that solves the problem, so it is pointless.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
keep posting random articles about people defending themselves with handguns or rifles. that's not the main issue here, but you gun folks tend to ignore that. no one cares about your one gun you have in the house.
we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
for every one of those stories he posted i can post 10 different articles detailing mass shootings.
none of that solves the problem, so it is pointless.
An ill-conceived effort. He had obviously forgotten about Sandy Hook et al. When the blinders are on... they are on!
Nobody wants to take away shotguns and hunting rifles. These can easily assist the homeowner with home defence. The pro gun crowd isn't satisfied with these though- leading one to think it's really about the cool hobby versus protecting classrooms, campuses and movie theaters.
"Fuk public safety! Did you see me shoot that shit? Yee haw!"
Ok. But just for the record, I didn't call you a pussy. If you don't want a gun then don't have one. And that goes for every anti gun liberal out there. Why would I care? But on another note, I don't want them telling me I can't. As far as registering, I'm undecided I guess. Part of me says well maybe it might do some good if they got stolen. But a whole lot of me says I don't trust these government fucking crooks that are trying to control my life. You live in Canada......so you're used to it (little sarcastic joke)
Why not trust those government crooks? I mean... you're all in on the men in robes and, well, it's not as if their track record is squeaky clean.
And on that note... I find your views just a bit in opposition with each other: "Praise the Lord and pass me my machine gun." Aren't these even slightly in contradiction with each other?
Let's say it became a legal requirement to register your guns, and some of you in here failed to do so, meaning you would be now in breach of the law.
This would make you law breakers, or as Bush would say, "Evil Doers", or as the NRA would say "Bad Guys". Many of you pro gun peeps have gone to great lengths to assert that people who break the law should be targeted in the event of any gun ban.
Would you therefore accept that as bad guys, law breakers etc... it would be perfectly reasonable for the law to come and cart your guns away? Hasn't this been the argument of the pro gun lobby all along, I wonder how this would play out with some of you in here - actually getting what you have been crying about.
Would this be a reasonable compromise for those of you who refuse to compromise to/for anything?
keep posting random articles about people defending themselves with handguns or rifles. that's not the main issue here, but you gun folks tend to ignore that. no one cares about your one gun you have in the house.
we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
Let's say it became a legal requirement to register your guns, and some of you in here failed to do so, meaning you would be now in breach of the law.
This would make you law breakers, or as Bush would say, "Evil Doers", or as the NRA would say "Bad Guys". Many of you pro gun peeps have gone to great lengths to assert that people who break the law should be targeted in the event of any gun ban.
Would you therefore accept that as bad guys, law breakers etc... it would be perfectly reasonable for the law to come and cart your guns away? Hasn't this been the argument of the pro gun lobby all along, I wonder how this would play out with some of you in here - actually getting what you have been crying about.
Would this be a reasonable compromise for those of you who refuse to compromise to/for anything?
You ask if its a reasonable compromise right after you accuse us of crying. Hard to take your hypothetical seriously after the insult.
bad guys are not good guys ... I guess you guys have not met some of the bad guys
we got here in Atlanta. :fp: How clueless can people be?
72 year proprietor on his way to his own business long before sunrise to start his day,
could have been my husband, anyone's husband.
Elderly gentleman married a lifetime, grown children, is jumped by 4 young men
and forced back into his car.
He is forced to withdraw money from his business and personal accounts,
held at gunpoint, pistal whipped, wedding ring taken. He thought his life was over
he thought of his wife of 50+ years, he would never see his grandchildren again.
He thought he was just another Atlanta statistic.
After getting all the ATM's would allow they debated where to take him to kill him.
They arrived at a secluded place and beat him severely. Beat him 4 young men on an elderly man.
Leaving him for dead.
But by God's grace he was lucky to live to tell about it.
On the evening news, in the arms of his elderly wife, he cried at the world
he now lives in until his days are over. A new horrible world.
Repeat this by too many others we hear about every week. The new attack, not a car jack,
a people jack. Cruel and horrible game for profit.
Young mother home with her two children. A man is breaking into the home.
She grabs her gun, her children and runs through the home locking doors behind her.
She ends up hiding in a crawlspace. Man breaks through 3 locked doors to come and find her.
Why? there to rob the house? rob it and get out.
He finds her and her frightened preschool children. She defends herself
and puts 4 bullets in him. Man months later goes before judge begging for forgiveness.
He has 6 children and needed money. But a father of 6 children could terrorize two more? why?
His rap sheet longer than my arm but he meant no harm he says ... right.
Young females beaten beyond recognition, a string of rapes, robberies,
people who's lives are changed forever, now victims in a horrible new world.
Sadistic, unconscionable behavior has brought people to say no more.
No more, we will fight back.
Those fighting back are the good guys. Don't ever confuse the two.
If guns are registered that is the first step to confiscation. If guns are banned that is the first
step to making it a crime to protect oneself with any gun.
One thing we can count on is agenda. There is always an agenda.
Give an inch take a mile. Gunowners aren't willing to take that chance and give an inch.
Too much at stake. To ridiculous to allow guns only for the criminal minded, only
for those we must rely on. We rely on ourselves.
We will remain self reliant, prepared for whatever comes our way.
As it should be, as we have the right given to us long ago for many reasons
all of which ring true today.
keep posting random articles about people defending themselves with handguns or rifles. that's not the main issue here, but you gun folks tend to ignore that. no one cares about your one gun you have in the house.
we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
But you see.....I don't care that you care.
yeah, this is a real shocking statement coming from the constitutionuts in the US. REAL shocking. me me me.
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keep posting random articles about people defending themselves with handguns or rifles. that's not the main issue here, but you gun folks tend to ignore that. no one cares about your one gun you have in the house.
we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
You don't have the right to tell me what I need.
actually, when it comes to public safety, I certainly do.
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bad guys are not good guys ... I guess you guys have not met some of the bad guys
we got here in Atlanta. :fp: How clueless can people be?
you really gotta stop potraying Atlanta as if it's some post apocalyptic war zone. the crime rate is above the national median, but it's also the city with one of the quickest crime declines, and has been declining for TWO DECADES. maybe you live in Bankhead, a suggestion for which is to move.
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Let's say it became a legal requirement to register your guns, and some of you in here failed to do so, meaning you would be now in breach of the law.
This would make you law breakers, or as Bush would say, "Evil Doers", or as the NRA would say "Bad Guys". Many of you pro gun peeps have gone to great lengths to assert that people who break the law should be targeted in the event of any gun ban.
Would you therefore accept that as bad guys, law breakers etc... it would be perfectly reasonable for the law to come and cart your guns away? Hasn't this been the argument of the pro gun lobby all along, I wonder how this would play out with some of you in here - actually getting what you have been crying about.
Would this be a reasonable compromise for those of you who refuse to compromise to/for anything?
You ask if its a reasonable compromise right after you accuse us of crying. Hard to take your hypothetical seriously after the insult.
In the face of potential legislation that seeks to safeguard the nation, these people are more than a little compromised. They are the most patriotic and law abiding citizens armed and prepared to uphold the constitution for the laws that work for them. The laws that do not though... well... then they aren't so much. A buffet of laws- if you may- where they feel the 'right' to pick and choose.
Ridiculous. And they can't even see this for what it is worth. This is the mentality that one is forced to deal with when suggesting methods of gun reform. Paranoid, rebellious, self serving, and most notably spoiled adults acting poorly when their fancy toys might be recalled.
keep posting random articles about people defending themselves with handguns or rifles. that's not the main issue here, but you gun folks tend to ignore that. no one cares about your one gun you have in the house.
we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
You don't have the right to tell me what I need.
And this mentality is the problem with a democracy. Regardless of how much sense something makes... there are people that are going to think differently. In some instances, the voice of opposition tends to stymie progression.
Our staff recently voted on something that was a 'no brainer'. I'm not going to provide details- you'll have to trust me that there was a vote for something that would have been progression. We sought a two-thirds majority to move forward with the initiative. Wouldn't you know it: we only had 63%. Wow. 37% pulls the strings. And bigger yet... the initiative, which was an excellent one, gets defeated. The victorious clasped their hands in delight and smiled broadly with the decision. The defeated simply shook their heads and walked away feeling a little hollow.
I'm not saying absolute rule would be the way to go... but let's at least acknowledge that democracies aren't always the greatest things when individuals within them seek to preserve agendas that serve them versus serve the greater good. Some are prepared to make sacrifices... while others will not given their narcissistic propensity.
Is that a symptom of a pompous attitude? Being dismissive of real life tragic stories?
Ignoring everyday victims? not even having a tug of a heart string,
for an old guy beaten left for dead. Crying on his sofa with his wife.
I get it ...unfortunately....
Sorry Atlanta doesn't have enough violent crime for some. We are working on it though,
how to terrorize law abiding citizens 101 :twisted:
Don't forget to feel amongst all the hate, it might actually direct the anger to where
it should be directed ... at those who victimize good people.
bad guys are not good guys ... I guess you guys have not met some of the bad guys
we got here in Atlanta. :fp: How clueless can people be?
you really gotta stop potraying Atlanta as if it's some post apocalyptic war zone. the crime rate is above the national median, but it's also the city with one of the quickest crime declines, and has been declining for TWO DECADES. maybe you live in Bankhead, a suggestion for which is to move.
and, just to update and educate, as of 2008, with cities with a population of 100,000 or more, the top 15 cities in north america for crime (homicide, robbery, theft, aggravated assault, B&E, etc), my city was listed 12th. Your city wasn't even listed.
so, in your terms, my city has more "bad guys" than your city does. so your rationale of Canadians not even being able to compare our crime to yours is terribly flawed and shows your skewed perception. Winnipeg, Vancouver, Hamilton, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Quebec, and Toronto all made the list. Atlanta did NOT.
Sources: Statistics Canada; US Federal Bureau of Investigation; Marie Gannon, Crime Comparisons Between Canada and The United States, Juristat, Vol. 21, no. 11, Statistics Canada cat. 85-002-XPE
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I guess you could call me one of those "gun nuts" based on the definition of half of this crowd. I have been hunting and target shooting my whole life and believe that any laws that move in the direction of disarming the people are a bad idea. Me and several people I know have had to deal with feral hogs, badgers, coyotes, and other occasional rabid varmits while growing up in a family that chose agriculture as their way of life. I'm sure that my perspectives are hard to imagine by people that sit in an office the majority of their lifes. In a perfect hunting situation where you're sitting in a blind, I'm sure a bolt action rifle or pump shotgun would be sufficient. When you're busting through mesquite trees trying to find a downed cow or lost calf...you want something that you can depend on if you walk up on a 250lb hog with about five little teammates. I love the crowd that says "no we're not trying to take your guns, you're just paranoid". Well it's people like Bloomberg, Biden, Feinstein and a select few others that are creating that kind of paranoia. There are definitely some politicians and people on this forum for that matter that would like nothing better than for everyone to have to turn in all of their guns. Some of them do not even hide that agenda. The natural reaction to a threat like that is to get on the defensive. "Background checks" would have done NOTHING to stop the recent incidents. What's the point in creating laws that do nothing...just to make people feel better? The reality of the world is that there are some truly bat shit crazy people out there that are going to do some truly crazy shit from time to time...You can make it as hard as you want, but they are still going to find a way of doing their crazy shit.
I love how the states that are pushing these agendas are confused when firearm manufactures move away and hunters decide to boycott them...causing them to lose tons of tax revenue. Equal and opposite reaction...
"Background checks" would have done NOTHING to stop the recent incidents. What's the point in creating laws that do nothing...just to make people feel better? The reality of the world is that there are some truly bat shit crazy people out there that are going to do some truly crazy shit from time to time...You can make it as hard as you want, but they are still going to find a way of doing their crazy shit.
Because a lot of people tend to disagree with this ^^^
Background checks could slow the process, allowing for time for these nutcases to become exposed. Actually I think I read somewhere that the Ct shooter went to buy a gun, and didnt want to wait, so he found a way to get his hands on his moms guns. But not every person is going to know how to get a gun otherwise, or illegally. I think its very bad form to just assume the person who wants to go on a shooting spree is going to do it no matter what.
A lot of times, these people who go on shooting sprees do not have a lot of friends or contacts, so it may not be as easy for them to get a gun on the streets as an alternative.
And if you think about how we got to this point, where there are a disturbing amount of illegal firearms out there in the US, perhaps if we had stricter background checks decades ago, many of the irresponsible people who let their guns slip into the wrong hands might not have been able to buy a gun in the first place. This is why I cant for the life of me understand why anyone would have a problem with background checks or registering your gun. If you're extremely responsible and without a sketchy past, there shouldnt be any problems.
I do not think anyone would fear background checks if, once again, it were not for people like Bloomberg, Feinstein, Biden having far more intrusive agendas. People fear that background checks will lead to a registry which will lead to government confiscation of all firearms. Again, as I pointed out in my earlier post, there are a select number of politicians that would back an agenda to confiscate all firearms...get rid of those agendas and politicians and I'm sure people would be a "little" more open to background checks. I find it in bad form to create "laws" that infringe on lives of healthy, law abiding citizens just because it "may have some kind of effect". There are plenty of laws that are not being enforced...maybe we should start there!
how the hell does anyone know that new laws will not help to reduce gun violence? look at australia.
and don't point to chicago. you can drive outside of the chicago city limits and easily pick up a gun and take it into chicago.
to patently dismiss the notion is just being stubborn. it would have to be nationwide to be effective.
I can find PLENTY of resources pointing to Australia experiencing a rise in violent crimes since their gun ban...I would not consider them an great place to start an argument about gun control...
Edit: I just wanted to add a little onto your point. USA is more like Chicago than it is Australia. We do not sit on an island out in the middle of nowhere. To be effective, don't you mean that it would have to be "continent" wide? Otherwise, wouldn't people just go outside country borders to get their guns and bring them into the USA? How do you propose getting rid of all guns in South America and Mexico and prevent an illegal market from forming if you just make them illegal in the USA?
actually, when it comes to public safety, I certainly do.
No, you don't. If my actions are not harming another individual then I should be able to do what I want and determine my own needs. Besides the practice of a person owning a firearm does not threaten public safety.
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CBS Atlanta News has uncovered new details regarding a home invasion in Loganville on Friday.
Walton County investigators said the homeowner involved wasn't the only target and released the chilling 911 call from the incident.
A mom and her twin 9-year-old children tried hiding near the attic - but the crook wouldn't back down.
Police say the crook was armed with a crow bar and the terrified woman inside the home opened fire on the crook, striking him five times.
The incident started with a woman ringing the doorbell to the residence. Since the boy didn’t recognize the woman, he refused to open the door.
A short time later, the boy heard a loud bang, which he correctly assumed was someone attempting to force entry through the door. The boy gathered his siblings and hurried them upstairs as he armed himself with a handgun from his parent’s bedroom.
From the top of the stairs, the boy saw a man break open the front door. When the man pointed a gun at the boy, the boy shot the man. The man did not fire his weapon.
The woman was getting out of the shower when she was met by a strange man with a kitchen knife, police said. They said there was a struggle in the bathroom, and she fell in the tub. Police later identified the man as Israel Perez Puentes, a Cuban national who lived in Alpharetta.
"The male was armed with a kitchen knife, a struggle ensued between the two of them. She fell in the bathtub injuring herself," Gwinnett police spokesman Edwin Ritter said.
The woman tried to fight the man off with a shower rod, and he forced her into her bedroom, police said. They said she told her attacker she had money in the room. But she grabbed a .22-caliber handgun and shot the man nine times, police said.
Police said the man ran out of a back door and collapsed in the yard. He later died at the Gwinnett Medical Center. The victim, who was injured in the scuffle, was also taken to the hospital for treatment of non-life-threatening injuries. Police have not released her name.
''You don't think about getting hurt,'' Ms. Jones, a mother of three, said in an interview. ''If someone is getting hurt, I can't close my door.''
Police credit Ms. Jones' quick action with preventing the 12-year-old girl from being raped.
''She's a heroine,'' said police Capt. Robert Richters. ''She did an outstanding job - simply outstanding.''
But Ms. Jones, 28, said her actions under the circumstances were only normal.
''I wasn't going to stand back and let this man take this child and do awful things to her,'' she said. ''She wasn't nothing but a baby. If she were my child, I would hope somebody would be there to save her.''
nope. never said anyone had to be like me. But I resent someone telling me that I'm a pussy for not wanting to own a gun, or not "understanding" my need to own one, or fearing a gun.
I live in Canada, not Neverland. Winnipeg is the murder capital of Canada. So yeah, things like that happen here all the time. I live my life as most other Canadians do.
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we care about the semi automatic rifles that people seem to think they need.
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Ok. But just for the record, I didn't call you a pussy. If you don't want a gun then don't have one. And that goes for every anti gun liberal out there. Why would I care? But on another note, I don't want them telling me I can't. As far as registering, I'm undecided I guess. Part of me says well maybe it might do some good if they got stolen. But a whole lot of me says I don't trust these government fucking crooks that are trying to control my life. You live in Canada......so you're used to it
But you see.....I don't care that you care.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
none of that solves the problem, so it is pointless.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
An ill-conceived effort. He had obviously forgotten about Sandy Hook et al. When the blinders are on... they are on!
Nobody wants to take away shotguns and hunting rifles. These can easily assist the homeowner with home defence. The pro gun crowd isn't satisfied with these though- leading one to think it's really about the cool hobby versus protecting classrooms, campuses and movie theaters.
"Fuk public safety! Did you see me shoot that shit? Yee haw!"
Why not trust those government crooks? I mean... you're all in on the men in robes and, well, it's not as if their track record is squeaky clean.
And on that note... I find your views just a bit in opposition with each other: "Praise the Lord and pass me my machine gun." Aren't these even slightly in contradiction with each other?
Adding this makes it okay to be a prick.
Let's say it became a legal requirement to register your guns, and some of you in here failed to do so, meaning you would be now in breach of the law.
This would make you law breakers, or as Bush would say, "Evil Doers", or as the NRA would say "Bad Guys". Many of you pro gun peeps have gone to great lengths to assert that people who break the law should be targeted in the event of any gun ban.
Would you therefore accept that as bad guys, law breakers etc... it would be perfectly reasonable for the law to come and cart your guns away? Hasn't this been the argument of the pro gun lobby all along, I wonder how this would play out with some of you in here - actually getting what you have been crying about.
Would this be a reasonable compromise for those of you who refuse to compromise to/for anything?
You don't have the right to tell me what I need.
You ask if its a reasonable compromise right after you accuse us of crying. Hard to take your hypothetical seriously after the insult.
we got here in Atlanta. :fp: How clueless can people be?
72 year proprietor on his way to his own business long before sunrise to start his day,
could have been my husband, anyone's husband.
Elderly gentleman married a lifetime, grown children, is jumped by 4 young men
and forced back into his car.
He is forced to withdraw money from his business and personal accounts,
held at gunpoint, pistal whipped, wedding ring taken. He thought his life was over
he thought of his wife of 50+ years, he would never see his grandchildren again.
He thought he was just another Atlanta statistic.
After getting all the ATM's would allow they debated where to take him to kill him.
They arrived at a secluded place and beat him severely. Beat him 4 young men on an elderly man.
Leaving him for dead.
But by God's grace he was lucky to live to tell about it.
On the evening news, in the arms of his elderly wife, he cried at the world
he now lives in until his days are over. A new horrible world.
Repeat this by too many others we hear about every week. The new attack, not a car jack,
a people jack. Cruel and horrible game for profit.
Young mother home with her two children. A man is breaking into the home.
She grabs her gun, her children and runs through the home locking doors behind her.
She ends up hiding in a crawlspace. Man breaks through 3 locked doors to come and find her.
Why? there to rob the house? rob it and get out.
He finds her and her frightened preschool children. She defends herself
and puts 4 bullets in him. Man months later goes before judge begging for forgiveness.
He has 6 children and needed money. But a father of 6 children could terrorize two more?
why?
His rap sheet longer than my arm but he meant no harm he says ... right.
Young females beaten beyond recognition, a string of rapes, robberies,
people who's lives are changed forever, now victims in a horrible new world.
Sadistic, unconscionable behavior has brought people to say no more.
No more, we will fight back.
Those fighting back are the good guys. Don't ever confuse the two.
If guns are registered that is the first step to confiscation. If guns are banned that is the first
step to making it a crime to protect oneself with any gun.
One thing we can count on is agenda. There is always an agenda.
Give an inch take a mile. Gunowners aren't willing to take that chance and give an inch.
Too much at stake. To ridiculous to allow guns only for the criminal minded, only
for those we must rely on. We rely on ourselves.
We will remain self reliant, prepared for whatever comes our way.
As it should be, as we have the right given to us long ago for many reasons
all of which ring true today.
yeah, this is a real shocking statement coming from the constitutionuts in the US. REAL shocking. me me me.
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actually, when it comes to public safety, I certainly do.
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you really gotta stop potraying Atlanta as if it's some post apocalyptic war zone. the crime rate is above the national median, but it's also the city with one of the quickest crime declines, and has been declining for TWO DECADES. maybe you live in Bankhead, a suggestion for which is to move.
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In the face of potential legislation that seeks to safeguard the nation, these people are more than a little compromised. They are the most patriotic and law abiding citizens armed and prepared to uphold the constitution for the laws that work for them. The laws that do not though... well... then they aren't so much. A buffet of laws- if you may- where they feel the 'right' to pick and choose.
Ridiculous. And they can't even see this for what it is worth. This is the mentality that one is forced to deal with when suggesting methods of gun reform. Paranoid, rebellious, self serving, and most notably spoiled adults acting poorly when their fancy toys might be recalled.
And this mentality is the problem with a democracy. Regardless of how much sense something makes... there are people that are going to think differently. In some instances, the voice of opposition tends to stymie progression.
Our staff recently voted on something that was a 'no brainer'. I'm not going to provide details- you'll have to trust me that there was a vote for something that would have been progression. We sought a two-thirds majority to move forward with the initiative. Wouldn't you know it: we only had 63%. Wow. 37% pulls the strings. And bigger yet... the initiative, which was an excellent one, gets defeated. The victorious clasped their hands in delight and smiled broadly with the decision. The defeated simply shook their heads and walked away feeling a little hollow.
I'm not saying absolute rule would be the way to go... but let's at least acknowledge that democracies aren't always the greatest things when individuals within them seek to preserve agendas that serve them versus serve the greater good. Some are prepared to make sacrifices... while others will not given their narcissistic propensity.
Ignoring everyday victims? not even having a tug of a heart string,
for an old guy beaten left for dead. Crying on his sofa with his wife.
I get it ...unfortunately....
Sorry Atlanta doesn't have enough violent crime for some. We are working on it though,
how to terrorize law abiding citizens 101 :twisted:
Don't forget to feel amongst all the hate, it might actually direct the anger to where
it should be directed ... at those who victimize good people.
and, just to update and educate, as of 2008, with cities with a population of 100,000 or more, the top 15 cities in north america for crime (homicide, robbery, theft, aggravated assault, B&E, etc), my city was listed 12th. Your city wasn't even listed.
so, in your terms, my city has more "bad guys" than your city does. so your rationale of Canadians not even being able to compare our crime to yours is terribly flawed and shows your skewed perception. Winnipeg, Vancouver, Hamilton, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Quebec, and Toronto all made the list. Atlanta did NOT.
Sources: Statistics Canada; US Federal Bureau of Investigation; Marie Gannon, Crime Comparisons Between Canada and The United States, Juristat, Vol. 21, no. 11, Statistics Canada cat. 85-002-XPE
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I love how the states that are pushing these agendas are confused when firearm manufactures move away and hunters decide to boycott them...causing them to lose tons of tax revenue. Equal and opposite reaction...
and don't point to chicago. you can drive outside of the chicago city limits and easily pick up a gun and take it into chicago.
to patently dismiss the notion is just being stubborn. it would have to be nationwide to be effective.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Because a lot of people tend to disagree with this ^^^
Background checks could slow the process, allowing for time for these nutcases to become exposed. Actually I think I read somewhere that the Ct shooter went to buy a gun, and didnt want to wait, so he found a way to get his hands on his moms guns. But not every person is going to know how to get a gun otherwise, or illegally. I think its very bad form to just assume the person who wants to go on a shooting spree is going to do it no matter what.
A lot of times, these people who go on shooting sprees do not have a lot of friends or contacts, so it may not be as easy for them to get a gun on the streets as an alternative.
And if you think about how we got to this point, where there are a disturbing amount of illegal firearms out there in the US, perhaps if we had stricter background checks decades ago, many of the irresponsible people who let their guns slip into the wrong hands might not have been able to buy a gun in the first place. This is why I cant for the life of me understand why anyone would have a problem with background checks or registering your gun. If you're extremely responsible and without a sketchy past, there shouldnt be any problems.
I can find PLENTY of resources pointing to Australia experiencing a rise in violent crimes since their gun ban...I would not consider them an great place to start an argument about gun control...
Edit: I just wanted to add a little onto your point. USA is more like Chicago than it is Australia. We do not sit on an island out in the middle of nowhere. To be effective, don't you mean that it would have to be "continent" wide? Otherwise, wouldn't people just go outside country borders to get their guns and bring them into the USA? How do you propose getting rid of all guns in South America and Mexico and prevent an illegal market from forming if you just make them illegal in the USA?
No, you don't. If my actions are not harming another individual then I should be able to do what I want and determine my own needs. Besides the practice of a person owning a firearm does not threaten public safety.