Alcohol deaths vs. gun deaths

bootlegger10

dimitrispearljam wrote:

no one called idiots anyone...
the thought compare those 2 is idiotic...
alchohol wasnt made to kill....if you use it wrong or too much and if you drive after that use maybe will kill..
guns made for kill and for nothing else...

I agree. But why is there no consideration to getting rid of alcohol when it is related to more killings than guns but serves no necessary purpose? That is my question in this thread. Guns or no guns.

What do we lose by giving up alcohol? Only a buzz. What do we gain? Hundreds of thousands of lives. So why is there not only no debate about banning alcohol, but also no even mention of debating it? Why?

Nuclear waste (taking this argument to an extreme) is not created to kill. But we go great lengths to make sure it is securely stored and away from people. We ban things all the time that weren't created to kill but can kill.

chadwick

i myself was a serious party nut. drunk as shit & high as a frickin kite daily or as often as i could get toasted frickin blinding drunk. i haven't drank in what seems like around 3 years. i will promise every single one of you something... alcohol is more deadly than a gun.

i was raised in a house with several guns. dad was a prison guard for 30 years. guns to us was common knowledge. i never once nor did my two brothers ever own toy guns. mom & dad never allowed that. to kids that can mix things up between real guns & toy guns.

i became a early drunkard going to high school drunk at 8am. we'd drink all summer when i was 14 on up. this means my younger two brothers were drunk as shit at 12 & 13 years old... easily. don't count the rails of crank we'd be snorting, me in high school & the youngest in junior high.

i've without a doubt had alcohol poisoning at least what seems like many hundreds of times. i am extremely lucky to be alive because of alcohol damn near killing me in an overdose fashion.

guns of all types have never not once came even remotely close to killing me or my two brothers like alcohol has. this includes shooting up the backyard with targets whilst shooting down whiskey shots like water.

we were taught how to handle guns by our grandfather (a wwII army gentleman who served in the south pacific islands) and by his son our father.

dad's greatest mistake (god rest his soul) was giving us alcohol not guns. alcohol has destroyed my family, my friends & their families, my loved ones & all inbetween

fortyshades

DS1119 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

fortyshades wrote:

This is getting silly. .

is already silly Tony...have a good day at one of my favo towns of all times..hope will visit you soon..

It is silly. People thinking they will solve crime and the acts of a ridiculously small number of nutjobs by punishing the innocent is silly.

Well, these nutjobs cause a hell of a lot of damage and grief.

Listen, all the twenty debates here were caused by an incident where children got killed. I am not sure if you have children yourself, but this thing appaled me, in the same way it probably appaled you. All I read in the news is that they want to create stricter rules regarding gun control and bingo twenty posts appear on a Pearl Jam fanclub site - think of the irony here, for crying out loud - where I read the most silly comparisons. ("Gun vs alcohol, the government will kill us if we don't have guns; or the most appaling in my opinion: if German citizens had guns the Holocaust wouldn't have happened" - what!???!) Let me repeat: children got killed. It is sad and sickening, really. Obama, speaks about gun control. Not outlawing guns. (Unfortunately, but that is a personal opinion.) I do not think they will be kicking in your door anytime soon to take your little precious away. It is about stricter rules, and quite frankly, it is needed. If you have problem registering it, after the new rules, well, than you shouldn't have a gun to begin with... I feel like some people think we still live in the Wild Wild West.

fortyshades

chadwick wrote:

i myself was a serious party nut. drunk as shit & high as a frickin kite daily or as often as i could get toasted frickin blinding drunk. i haven't drank in what seems like around 3 years. i will promise every single one of you something... alcohol is more deadly than a gun.

Well, I like partying too. But common, there is a difference here. Even though alcholism is a problem and people die of alcohol poisoning. (Some people also die because of, believe it or not *water* - you can OD if you drink too much water, as we found out a few years back when a college initiation party went haywire.) The aim of alcohol is not to kill. Water is not made to kill. Guns are made to kill. They are made to shoot at other people. And a semi automatic weapon in the wrong hands, can cause for children to die. 30 rounds of bullits in a classroom, within a minuten, cannot be compared in anyway with a bottle of beer. Lets please keep things in perspective.

fortyshades

dimitrispearljam wrote:

fortyshades wrote:

This is getting silly. .

is already silly Tony...have a good day at one of my favo towns of all times..hope will visit you soon..

Well, I am glad I live here. You can smoke cannabis and guns are illegal. Good combination, really ;-)

chadwick

sure guns are made to kill. people have this thing called addiction they get hooked on shit easily, some easier than others. it is a proven fact alcohol kills more people than guns.

people wanna drink & drive. this = good chance of killing folks & many do just that daily.

from my personal life long experience... alcohol kills more people in my family than guns & we have both, guns & booze. however, currently i have neither whiskey nor a gun.

fortyshades

chadwick wrote:

sure guns are made to kill. people have this thing called addiction they get hooked on shit easily, some easier than others. it is a proven fact alcohol kills more people than guns.

people wanna drink & drive. this = good chance of killing folks & many do just that daily.

from my personal life long experience... alcohol kills more people in my family than guns & we have both, guns & booze. however, currently i have neither whiskey nor a gun.

No disagreement here. But that still doens't take the fact away that guns were made to kill. You can also die from prescription drugs. All these comparisons say nothing about the reality that someone with some serious issues can walk into a classroom and start shooting sixty rounds to innocent children. That what this is about. People die of various reasons. Most often accidental. But the aim of guns is to kill...

dimitrispearljam

fortyshades wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

fortyshades wrote:

This is getting silly. .

is already silly Tony...have a good day at one of my favo towns of all times..hope will visit you soon..

Well, I am glad I live here. You can smoke cannabis and guns are illegal. Good combination, really ;-)

i know...i love your country,cos most of all,people know to enjoy,have fun,and are cool,with no crazy rythm...

dimitrispearljam

fortyshades wrote:

Well, these nutjobs cause a hell of a lot of damage and grief.

Listen, all the twenty debates here were caused by an incident where children got killed. I am not sure if you have children yourself, but this thing appaled me, in the same way it probably appaled you. All I read in the news is that they want to create stricter rules regarding gun control and bingo twenty posts appear on a Pearl Jam fanclub site - think of the irony here, for crying out loud - where I read the most silly comparisons. ("Gun vs alcohol, the government will kill us if we don't have guns; or the most appaling in my opinion: if German citizens had guns the Holocaust wouldn't have happened" - what!???!) Let me repeat: children got killed. It is sad and sickening, really. Obama, speaks about gun control. Not outlawing guns. (Unfortunately, but that is a personal opinion.) I do not think they will be kicking in your door anytime soon to take your little precious away. It is about stricter rules, and quite frankly, it is needed. If you have problem registering it, after the new rules, well, than you shouldn't have a gun to begin with... I feel like some people think we still live in the Wild Wild West.

its really good feeling i know you are a teacher in a university...
there is still hope..

bootlegger10

fortyshades wrote:

chadwick wrote:

sure guns are made to kill. people have this thing called addiction they get hooked on shit easily, some easier than others. it is a proven fact alcohol kills more people than guns.

people wanna drink & drive. this = good chance of killing folks & many do just that daily.

from my personal life long experience... alcohol kills more people in my family than guns & we have both, guns & booze. however, currently i have neither whiskey nor a gun.

No disagreement here. But that still doens't take the fact away that guns were made to kill. You can also die from prescription drugs. All these comparisons say nothing about the reality that someone with some serious issues can walk into a classroom and start shooting sixty rounds to innocent children. That what this is about. People die of various reasons. Most often accidental. But the aim of guns is to kill...

Let's ignore guns for this post. Pretend they have been banned long ago.

Presription drugs make people get better from a sickness. They have purpose. What is alcohol's purpose, and what would society be like without it (besides having hundreds of more thousands alive)?

So far you have not explained why we should have alcohol legal when it does not serve a legitimate purpose, but yet kills hundreds of thousands of people. People on here think it is a ludicrous comparison, but lets just look at alcohol only and the positives and negatives. Do the positives of alcohol justify the negatives?

This is a legitimate question. I am not a fringe Republican that hunts every weekend or thinks Obama was born in Kenya. I don't own a gun. I would be for assault weapons bans.

Just look at alcohol. It was not made to kill but look at the benefits and the negatives. Cars help people get to work, to see family, to respond to emergencies quickly. I think this benefit outweighs the loss of life in accidents. Does alcohol's beneifts outweigh the negative?

DS1119

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.

Please tell me how you will protect your family with a case of beer and a car then?

DS1119

dimitrispearljam wrote:

[alchohol is number 1 need to medicine...

What does this mean? :?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.

then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.

yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.

then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.

yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?

I guess I'll just regurgitate the same line I have taken as long as the gun legislation people ignore the fatcs. The facts that criminals commit crimes...not the innocent. Penalizing the masses for the crimes of the few never works.

gimmesometruth27

DS1119 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.

Please tell me how you will protect your family with a case of beer and a car then?

i am not paranoid enough to believe that everyone is out to get me or my family.

gun rights folks always bring up mental illness and how the mentally ill should not have guns, yet most gun rights folks have an overwhelming belief that they need protection from someone..

paranoia is a mental illness, actually it is a personality disorder..

http://behavenet.com/paranoid-personality-disorder

Flutter Girl

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.

then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.

yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?

They had more regulation on so-called 'assault' weapons. They did a study themselves and found the regulation had zero effect. How many times do weapons need to be banned before it sinks in that regulating it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem. When are people going to stop "regurgitating" the same old bans that get no results before you wise up and finally start looking for a different option. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.

then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.

yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?

I guess I'll just regurgitate the same line I have taken as long as the gun legislation people ignore the fatcs. The facts that criminals commit crimes...not the innocent. Penalizing the masses for the crimes of the few never works.

and everyone is law abiding until they commit a crime. so why not take the gun out of the situation? because that would make too much fucking sense.

DS1119

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.

Please tell me how you will protect your family with a case of beer and a car then?

i am not paranoid enough to believe that everyone is out to get me or my family.

gun rights folks always bring up mental illness and how the mentally ill should not have guns, yet most gun rights folks have an overwhelming belief that they need protection from someone..

paranoia is a mental illness, actually it is a personality disorder..

http://behavenet.com/paranoid-personality-disorder

Quite the assumptions you're making. I guess countries don't need militaries since we must all be just paranoid. :roll:

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

and everyone is law abiding until they commit a crime. so why not take the gun out of the situation? because that would make too much fucking sense.

Take the illegal gun out of the equation is more like it.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Flutter Girl wrote:

They had more regulation on so-called 'assault' weapons. They did a study themselves and found the regulation had zero effect. How many times do weapons need to be banned before it sinks in that regulating it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem. When are people going to stop "regurgitating" the same old bans that get no results before you wise up and finally start looking for a different option. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results.

because most rational people understand it's not a singular issue. just bans on guns won't work, absolutely correct. there needs to be a major culture shift, better access to mental health care and de-stigmatization of mental health problems, and several other factors that the pro-gun crowd ignore, and that won't be easy. but saying "ah, it won't work, so let's not bother" is just plain irresponsible and stupid.