to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.
Please tell me how you will protect your family with a case of beer and a car then?
You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.
then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.
yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?
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You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.
then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.
yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?
I guess I'll just regurgitate the same line I have taken as long as the gun legislation people ignore the fatcs. The facts that criminals commit crimes...not the innocent. Penalizing the masses for the crimes of the few never works.
to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.
Please tell me how you will protect your family with a case of beer and a car then?
i am not paranoid enough to believe that everyone is out to get me or my family.
gun rights folks always bring up mental illness and how the mentally ill should not have guns, yet most gun rights folks have an overwhelming belief that they need protection from someone..
paranoia is a mental illness, actually it is a personality disorder..
You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.
then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.
yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?
They had more regulation on so-called 'assault' weapons. They did a study themselves and found the regulation had zero effect. How many times do weapons need to be banned before it sinks in that regulating it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem. When are people going to stop "regurgitating" the same old bans that get no results before you wise up and finally start looking for a different option. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results.
You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.
then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.
yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?
I guess I'll just regurgitate the same line I have taken as long as the gun legislation people ignore the fatcs. The facts that criminals commit crimes...not the innocent. Penalizing the masses for the crimes of the few never works.
and everyone is law abiding until they commit a crime. so why not take the gun out of the situation? because that would make too much fucking sense.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.
Please tell me how you will protect your family with a case of beer and a car then?
i am not paranoid enough to believe that everyone is out to get me or my family.
gun rights folks always bring up mental illness and how the mentally ill should not have guns, yet most gun rights folks have an overwhelming belief that they need protection from someone..
paranoia is a mental illness, actually it is a personality disorder..
They had more regulation on so-called 'assault' weapons. They did a study themselves and found the regulation had zero effect. How many times do weapons need to be banned before it sinks in that regulating it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem. When are people going to stop "regurgitating" the same old bans that get no results before you wise up and finally start looking for a different option. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results.
because most rational people understand it's not a singular issue. just bans on guns won't work, absolutely correct. there needs to be a major culture shift, better access to mental health care and de-stigmatization of mental health problems, and several other factors that the pro-gun crowd ignore, and that won't be easy. but saying "ah, it won't work, so let's not bother" is just plain irresponsible and stupid.
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Right in your backyard Governor Cuomo. Personally I would like to thank the liberal media for glorifying this horrendous act of illegal gun violence and making citizens react swiftly. The rational citizen realizes this is not a gun issue but a people and criminal issue. Thank you liberal media for trying to push your own political agenda by spreading fear and irrational thought which will backfire (pun inteneded) on you. Until the government concentrates on the problem of illegal guns through security and being proactive...leave the legal weapons alone.
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Quite the assumptions you're making. I guess countries don't need militaries since we must all be just paranoid. :roll:
i am not making an assumption. how many people on here every day spout off about having to protect themselves from the drempt up bad guy who may or may not ever get on their property?? it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that this is clearly evidence of paranoia.
this has nothing to do with militaries. especially the american military, who is not used for defense at all, ...but that is a topic for another thread..
you can not compare your wanting to keep a gun and the military having guns. that is what the military does. they are supposed to have the arsenals, not the average joe citizen.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
. that is what the military does. they are supposed to have the arsenals, not the average joe citizen.
Our Constitution and the feelings of the majority of US citizens feels quite differently.
the 2nd amendment does not state that you can have an ar-15. what about the well regulated militia part? you gun rights folks always leave that part out.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
They had more regulation on so-called 'assault' weapons. They did a study themselves and found the regulation had zero effect. How many times do weapons need to be banned before it sinks in that regulating it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem. When are people going to stop "regurgitating" the same old bans that get no results before you wise up and finally start looking for a different option. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results.
because most rational people understand it's not a singular issue. just bans on guns won't work, absolutely correct. there needs to be a major culture shift, better access to mental health care and de-stigmatization of mental health problems, and several other factors that the pro-gun crowd ignore, and that won't be easy. but saying "ah, it won't work, so let's not bother" is just plain irresponsible and stupid.
In 30 years there have been 61 mass shootings. Not all of them were mentally ill. Just sick. The only thing common among them, as I've said before, is they all had bloodthirst and no empathy for their victims. You are focusing on something responsible for just 61 occurances..30 years. Meanwhile, gang bangers and other similar criminals shoot people everyday and are responsible for the vast majority of the 10,000 annual deaths. Why are you talking about the mentally ill? What they do is a freak occurance. And also as I've said elsewhere. If you want to deal with the real source of gun violence, it's poverty you need to focus on. Not gun ownership. There is no correlation between number of guns and high gun crime. The states with the highest number of gun owners also have the lowest crime rates. The correlation is between poverty and crime. The poorer the area, the higher the crime rate.
. that is what the military does. they are supposed to have the arsenals, not the average joe citizen.
Our Constitution and the feelings of the majority of US citizens feels quite differently.
the 2nd amendment does not state that you can have an ar-15. what about the well regulated militia part? you gun rights folks always leave that part out.
It also doesn't state that we can't. In a land of the weapons the US government possesses I would think that at least a semiautomatic rifle would give a militia somewhat of a chance.
It also doesn't state that we can't. In a land of the weapons the US government possesses I would think that at least a semiautomatic rifle would give a militia somewhat of a chance.
who would the militia be fighting against? the us military?? BWAHAHAHA...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
They had more regulation on so-called 'assault' weapons. They did a study themselves and found the regulation had zero effect. How many times do weapons need to be banned before it sinks in that regulating it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem. When are people going to stop "regurgitating" the same old bans that get no results before you wise up and finally start looking for a different option. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results.
because most rational people understand it's not a singular issue. just bans on guns won't work, absolutely correct. there needs to be a major culture shift, better access to mental health care and de-stigmatization of mental health problems, and several other factors that the pro-gun crowd ignore, and that won't be easy. but saying "ah, it won't work, so let's not bother" is just plain irresponsible and stupid.
In 30 years there have been 61 mass shootings. Not all of them were mentally ill. Just sick. The only thing common among them, as I've said before, is they all had bloodthirst and no empathy for their victims. You are focusing on something responsible for just 61 occurances..30 years. Meanwhile, gang bangers and other similar criminals shoot people everyday and are responsible for the vast majority of the 10,000 annual deaths. Why are you talking about the mentally ill? What they do is a freak occurance. And also as I've said elsewhere. If you want to deal with the real source of gun violence, it's poverty you need to focus on. Not gun ownership. There is no correlation between number of guns and high gun crime. The states with the highest number of gun owners also have the lowest crime rates. The correlation is between poverty and crime. The poorer the area, the higher the crime rate.
In my eyes the answer is quite simple. It's easy for politicians to push this stuff to make it look like they are actually trying to solve the problem. They aren't and it won't, but it sure makes them look good while trying.
It also doesn't state that we can't. In a land of the weapons the US government possesses I would think that at least a semiautomatic rifle would give a militia somewhat of a chance.
who would the militia be fighting against? the us military?? BWAHAHAHA...
It also doesn't state that we can't. In a land of the weapons the US government possesses I would think that at least a semiautomatic rifle would give a militia somewhat of a chance.
who would the militia be fighting against? the us military?? BWAHAHAHA...
You obviously have never read the Constitution.
i have a copy of it on my desk right now.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
It also doesn't state that we can't. In a land of the weapons the US government possesses I would think that at least a semiautomatic rifle would give a militia somewhat of a chance.
who would the militia be fighting against? the us military?? BWAHAHAHA...
You obviously have never read the Constitution.
who would the militia be fighting against?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
An AR-15 is just a rifle. It looks scarier, but it's still just a rifle. They had rifle's back in our Founding Fathers' day. It fires the same as the wooden kind. It is not selective fire. It is not fully automatic. It is simply just a rifle. Our Founding Fathers were visionaries, several were even inventors. Do you not think they didn't know guns and rifles would evolve and improve? Or even imagine just how they might evolve..They weren't braindead for Christ's sake.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Tyranical government.
what tyranical government? there is no tyranical government now and there has never been since we defeated the brits. it can be argued that lincoln was a tyrant, but that is debatable.
do you know why states had militias at the time the constitution was written? because we had no standing army and we had to be able to defend ourselves from the people whose land we were stealing...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
An AR-15 is just a rifle. It looks scarier, but it's still just a rifle. They had rifle's back in our Founding Fathers' day. It fires the same as the wooden kind. It is not selective fire. It is not fully automatic. It is simply just a rifle. Our Founding Fathers were visionaries, several were even inventors. Do you not think they didn't know guns and rifles would evolve and improve? Or even imagine just how they might evolve..They weren't braindead for Christ's sake.
they could not imagine what we have today. they could not even imagine a locomotive or an airplane, so how can they have imagined an automatic rifle with a 100 round magazine? they could not even imagine more than a single room public school house, let alone a 400 room high school being shot up with military grade weapons.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Tyranical government.
what tyranical government? there is no tyranical government now and there has never been since we defeated the brits. it can be argued that lincoln was a tyrant, but that is debatable.
do you know why states had militias at the time the constitution was written? because we had no standing army and we had to be able to defend ourselves from the people whose land we were stealing...
They also included it because of what the British Government was doing to their own people. Witch hunts, etc..They came from that, it's why many boarded the ships to the new world, to get away from the worst of it..It's not the only thing they included in the Constitution, because of how the British Government treated their own people, either..
And they couldn't imagine it, really? Um..DaVinci dreamed up the helocopter and robot surgery and machine type weapons with heavy caliber..yes, I think the old men back in the day had enough intelligence to dream up such a weapon. DaVinci did..why not other brilliant forward-thinking inventors of the time?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Tyranical government.
what tyranical government? there is no tyranical government now and there has never been since we defeated the brits. it can be argued that lincoln was a tyrant, but that is debatable.
do you know why states had militias at the time the constitution was written? because we had no standing army and we had to be able to defend ourselves from the people whose land we were stealing...
I would differ actually. As long as the government refuses to solve the problem of illegal crime in this country ,and illegal gun ownership in this country, instead of turning it's attention to trying to over regulate the innocent when it comes to protecting themselves I consider that to be tyrannical. Right now it's up to the citizens to defend themselves against criminal activity. Until that problem gets solved and the government lays off of the free and innocent..yep tyrannical.
They also included it because of what the British Government was doing to their own people. Witch hunts, etc..They came from that, it's why many boarded the ships to the new world, to get away from the worst of it..It's not the only thing they included in the Constitution, because of how the British Government treated their own people, either..
And they couldn't imagine it, really? Um..DaVinci dreamed up the helocopter and robot surgery and machine type weapons with heavy caliber..yes, I think the old men back in the day had enough intelligence to dream up such a weapon. DaVinci did..why not other brilliant forward-thinking inventors of the time?
ok i'll ask you then. who would any militia have to fight today? the answer is clearly not the federal government or the us military because it would be waco all over again.
they had a king in britain. he ruled by decree, so things happened as the king wished.
none of davinci's sketched helicopters and stuff ever flew.
i have a hard time believing that 230 plus years ago anyone was imagining the guns we have today. and the right is there to allow people to possess weapons so they can show up as part of the militia when/if ever needed because back then the government did not supply the weapons, and they did not have community armories either.
where are these militas today anyway?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Please tell me how you will protect your family with a case of beer and a car then?
What does this mean? :?
then go find a quote instead of just claiming some bullshit. I have never disrespected religion. I have an issue with SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, but not religion. understand the difference.
yes, they are regulated. but they need to be regulated further. can you come up with something new maybe, or are you just going to regurgitate the same fucking nonsense post after post thread after thread?
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I guess I'll just regurgitate the same line I have taken as long as the gun legislation people ignore the fatcs. The facts that criminals commit crimes...not the innocent. Penalizing the masses for the crimes of the few never works.
gun rights folks always bring up mental illness and how the mentally ill should not have guns, yet most gun rights folks have an overwhelming belief that they need protection from someone..
paranoia is a mental illness, actually it is a personality disorder..
http://behavenet.com/paranoid-personality-disorder
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
They had more regulation on so-called 'assault' weapons. They did a study themselves and found the regulation had zero effect. How many times do weapons need to be banned before it sinks in that regulating it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem. When are people going to stop "regurgitating" the same old bans that get no results before you wise up and finally start looking for a different option. Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results.
and everyone is law abiding until they commit a crime. so why not take the gun out of the situation? because that would make too much fucking sense.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Quite the assumptions you're making. I guess countries don't need militaries since we must all be just paranoid. :roll:
Take the illegal gun out of the equation is more like it.
because most rational people understand it's not a singular issue. just bans on guns won't work, absolutely correct. there needs to be a major culture shift, better access to mental health care and de-stigmatization of mental health problems, and several other factors that the pro-gun crowd ignore, and that won't be easy. but saying "ah, it won't work, so let's not bother" is just plain irresponsible and stupid.
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and how many of the mass shootings would taking the ILLEGAL guns out of the equation have stopped?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/nyreg ... .html?_r=0
All of them actually.
this has nothing to do with militaries. especially the american military, who is not used for defense at all, ...but that is a topic for another thread..
you can not compare your wanting to keep a gun and the military having guns. that is what the military does. they are supposed to have the arsenals, not the average joe citizen.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our Constitution and the feelings of the majority of US citizens feels quite differently.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
In 30 years there have been 61 mass shootings. Not all of them were mentally ill. Just sick. The only thing common among them, as I've said before, is they all had bloodthirst and no empathy for their victims. You are focusing on something responsible for just 61 occurances..30 years. Meanwhile, gang bangers and other similar criminals shoot people everyday and are responsible for the vast majority of the 10,000 annual deaths. Why are you talking about the mentally ill? What they do is a freak occurance. And also as I've said elsewhere. If you want to deal with the real source of gun violence, it's poverty you need to focus on. Not gun ownership. There is no correlation between number of guns and high gun crime. The states with the highest number of gun owners also have the lowest crime rates. The correlation is between poverty and crime. The poorer the area, the higher the crime rate.
It also doesn't state that we can't. In a land of the weapons the US government possesses I would think that at least a semiautomatic rifle would give a militia somewhat of a chance.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
In my eyes the answer is quite simple. It's easy for politicians to push this stuff to make it look like they are actually trying to solve the problem. They aren't and it won't, but it sure makes them look good while trying.
You obviously have never read the Constitution.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Tyranical government.
do you know why states had militias at the time the constitution was written? because we had no standing army and we had to be able to defend ourselves from the people whose land we were stealing...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
They also included it because of what the British Government was doing to their own people. Witch hunts, etc..They came from that, it's why many boarded the ships to the new world, to get away from the worst of it..It's not the only thing they included in the Constitution, because of how the British Government treated their own people, either..
And they couldn't imagine it, really? Um..DaVinci dreamed up the helocopter and robot surgery and machine type weapons with heavy caliber..yes, I think the old men back in the day had enough intelligence to dream up such a weapon. DaVinci did..why not other brilliant forward-thinking inventors of the time?
I would differ actually. As long as the government refuses to solve the problem of illegal crime in this country ,and illegal gun ownership in this country, instead of turning it's attention to trying to over regulate the innocent when it comes to protecting themselves I consider that to be tyrannical. Right now it's up to the citizens to defend themselves against criminal activity. Until that problem gets solved and the government lays off of the free and innocent..yep tyrannical.
they had a king in britain. he ruled by decree, so things happened as the king wished.
none of davinci's sketched helicopters and stuff ever flew.
i have a hard time believing that 230 plus years ago anyone was imagining the guns we have today. and the right is there to allow people to possess weapons so they can show up as part of the militia when/if ever needed because back then the government did not supply the weapons, and they did not have community armories either.
where are these militas today anyway?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."