Everone here could drive a Geo Metro for a car. It would suffice for transportation. And yet we sell cars that drive in excess of 200 mph. Why? Someone can't drive them anywhere but a closed course to reach their full potential.
absolutely agree. I've stated this to people countless times. I don't get it. why do vehicles for the general public have that speed capability? they shouldn't. it just goes to prove the point that humans are too stupid and irresponsible to possess such power.
guns and death penalty included.
So what you're saying is the general public is too stupid to possess these things but somehow the elected officials out of that same general stupid population is smart enough to regulate or restrict them?
Everone here could drive a Geo Metro for a car. It would suffice for transportation. And yet we sell cars that drive in excess of 200 mph. Why? Someone can't drive them anywhere but a closed course to reach their full potential.
absolutely agree. I've stated this to people countless times. I don't get it. why do vehicles for the general public have that speed capability? they shouldn't. it just goes to prove the point that humans are too stupid and irresponsible to possess such power.
guns and death penalty included.
So what you're saying is the general public is too stupid to possess these things but somehow the elected officials out of that same general stupid population is smart enough to regulate or restrict them?
No, that's not what he's saying at all. Although you already know this.
So what you're saying is the general public is too stupid to possess these things but somehow the elected officials out of that same general stupid population is smart enough to regulate or restrict them?
No, that's not what he's saying at all. Although you already know this.[/quote]
That's the way I read it. I mean if "humans are too stupid and irresponsible to possess such power"...the elected officials out of that same human population must be too stupid as well. How do you read it?
Everone here could drive a Geo Metro for a car. It would suffice for transportation. And yet we sell cars that drive in excess of 200 mph. Why? Someone can't drive them anywhere but a closed course to reach their full potential.
absolutely agree. I've stated this to people countless times. I don't get it. why do vehicles for the general public have that speed capability? they shouldn't. it just goes to prove the point that humans are too stupid and irresponsible to possess such power.
guns and death penalty included.
So what you're saying is the general public is too stupid to possess these things but somehow the elected officials out of that same general stupid population is smart enough to regulate or restrict them?
NO. You said that, you seem to put words in people's mouths and flip the story around to suit your argument.
That's what I see after reading this entire thread.
NO. You said that, you seem to put words in people's mouths and flip the story around to suit your argument.
That's what I see after reading this entire thread.
If I'm wrong I apologize.
Absolutley not. That's not my post. It's someone else's. If someone says we as a human race are too stupid to possess these items...who deems us too stupid? I guess it's people out of that same stupid human population....correct? Unless it's God or some aliens doing it I don't know who else it could be. :? So we as a general stupid human population elect officals out of our own stupid human population to tell us as stupid humans what we should or should not possess. :fp:
NO. You said that, you seem to put words in people's mouths and flip the story around to suit your argument.
That's what I see after reading this entire thread.
If I'm wrong I apologize.
Absolutley not. That's not my post. It's someone else's. If someone says we as a human race are too stupid to possess these items...who deems us too stupid? I guess it's people out of that same stupid human population....correct? Unless it's God or some aliens doing it I don't know who else it could be. :? So we as a general stupid human population elect officals out of our own stupid human population to tell us as stupid humans what we should or should not possess. :fp:
oh, and by the way.....if you insist on this ridiculous notion of guns and alcohol, alcohol has regulations too. age restrictions, alcohol by volume restrictions, time and day of purchase, etc.
so if we restrict the alcohol by volume, then it can be surmised it would make sense to restrict ammunition by power.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
oh, and by the way.....if you insist on this ridiculous notion of guns and alcohol, alcohol has regulations too. age restrictions, alcohol by volume restrictions, time and day of purchase, etc.
so if we restrict the alcohol by volume, then it can be surmised it would make sense to restrict ammunition by power.
Thank God abv restrictions are by state and I can get good beer in my home state. But that's probably for another thread :beer:
we can make 1 millions thread like this..
guns vs heart attacks.
guns vs attack by aliens
guns vs fires
guns vs cars
guns vs sharks
guns vs drugs
guns vs angry housewifes
etc..
people die every day..
but guns ..made for kill..and only kill...no good to this shit
:thumbup:
I like the guns vs angry housewives. You forget the husbands though!
This is getting silly. I counted 15 posts about gun control. It is simple: you want to have a gun, you register. You do some tests and start shooting beer cans in your backyard. That is all you will ever do for there will not be a big revolution or an overnight dictatorship. If you don't register the question will be: why not? (And don't come with the liberty BS; you need a driver license to drive don't you?) What do you have to hide? And if don't pass the psychological tests, well, you shouldn't have a gun. Nobody will take your (in the voice of Gollum) "little shiny precious" away.
oh, and by the way.....if you insist on this ridiculous notion of guns and alcohol, alcohol has regulations too. age restrictions, alcohol by volume restrictions, time and day of purchase, etc.
so if we restrict the alcohol by volume, then it can be surmised it would make sense to restrict ammunition by power.
Well lets just say that comparing guns, alcohol, and tobacco isn't ridiculous. I will point you to a certain government agency in the US. It's known as the ATF...or The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Here's the link in case you haven't heard of it.
And limiting alcohol by volume....I can still buy legally produced grain alcohol in the US which is almost 100 percent alcohol. As long as I'm not drunk I can still purchase as much of any type of alcohol I want in the US. As far as day and time issues...those are state by state...laws based on religoun...and you have already made it clear here on how you feel about religion so why would you bring this up now especially as far as government regulations? :? Btw, there are age restrictions on purchasing a weapon as well.
is already silly Tony...have a good day at one of my favo towns of all times..hope will visit you soon..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
oh, and by the way.....if you insist on this ridiculous notion of guns and alcohol, alcohol has regulations too. age restrictions, alcohol by volume restrictions, time and day of purchase, etc.
so if we restrict the alcohol by volume, then it can be surmised it would make sense to restrict ammunition by power.
Well lets just say that comparing guns, alcohol, and tobacco isn't ridiculous. I will point you to a certain government agency in the US. It's known as the ATF...or The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Here's the link in case you haven't heard of it.
And limiting alcohol by volume....I can still buy legally produced grain alcohol in the US which is almost 100 percent alcohol. As long as I'm not drunk I can still purchase as much of any type of alcohol I want in the US. As far as day and time issues...those are state by state...laws based on religoun...and you have already made it clear here on how you feel about religion so why would you bring this up now especially as far as government regulations? :? Btw, there are age restrictions on purchasing a weapon as well.
yes, thanks, I've heard of the ATF. An agency built around 3 things that need to be REGULATED.
Feel about religion? Please, educate us all on how I "feel about religion", son. :roll:
Some laws are based on religion, of course. But religion is based on humanity's moral compass. So your point is moot. So I have no issue with laws based in religion because those laws would have come with or without religion.
This is what this has come to? you have to deflect the discussion AGAIN to a different topic?
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
oh, and by the way.....if you insist on this ridiculous notion of guns and alcohol, alcohol has regulations too. age restrictions, alcohol by volume restrictions, time and day of purchase, etc.
so if we restrict the alcohol by volume, then it can be surmised it would make sense to restrict ammunition by power.
Well lets just say that comparing guns, alcohol, and tobacco isn't ridiculous. I will point you to a certain government agency in the US. It's known as the ATF...or The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Here's the link in case you haven't heard of it.
And limiting alcohol by volume....I can still buy legally produced grain alcohol in the US which is almost 100 percent alcohol. As long as I'm not drunk I can still purchase as much of any type of alcohol I want in the US. As far as day and time issues...those are state by state...laws based on religoun...and you have already made it clear here on how you feel about religion so why would you bring this up now especially as far as government regulations? :? Btw, there are age restrictions on purchasing a weapon as well.
yes, thanks, I've heard of the ATF. An agency built around 3 things that need to be REGULATED.
Feel about religion? Please, educate us all on how I "feel about religion", son. :roll:
Some laws are based on religion, of course. But religion is based on humanity's moral compass. So your point is moot. So I have no issue with laws based in religion because those laws would have come with or without religion.
This is what this has come to? you have to deflect the discussion AGAIN to a different topic?
You're feelings about religion? I think I need to just direct you to the numerous posts about religion on this board you posted. :? Also, please don't disrespect me any further by calling me son. And so you know....guns are regulated already by the US government. Legislate and find the illegal ones...not the legal ones.
to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.
you wasting your time....dont get in this idiotic thought..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.
you wasting your time....dont get in this idiotic thought..
It is not a question at all of what is more likely to kill. I agree alcohol is not meant to kil. Guns are meant to at least injure or kill. We are in agreement.
Here is the deal though, alcohol is responsible for more deaths and destruction to lives in the country than guns. If we banned alcohol and guns, more lives would be saved banning alcohol than banning guns. Yet, no one wants to give up alcohol even though it serves no legitimate necessity of life.
This isn't some radical discussion that we should be called idiots for talking about. It is fact. Alcohol kills more people and destroys more lives than guns in this country. Alcohol serves no necessary purpose. Yet there almost zero calls to banning alcohol when it could save lives.
Again, vehicles serve a necessary purpose in life. Alcohol doesn't. That is the difference.
to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.
You don't need alcohol to survive. You could live out the rest of your days without a drop of alcohol. Alcohol is directly and indirectly related to more deaths and destruction in the US than guns.
So why aren't you attacking alcohol? I can understand attacking guns, and I'm okay with that. But to not attack something that creates more death than guns and serves no purpose in life is strange. How do you reconcile this?
Cars serve a purpose. We don't live on farms anymore where we live and work within a mile of each other. Alcohol serves no purpose other than to create a buzz.
to anyone out there who is still comparing gun deaths to alcohol and automobile deaths, i challenge you to go hunting this weekend with a case of beer and a car and tell me that that is the same thing as hunting with a gun.
you wasting your time....dont get in this idiotic thought..
It is not a question at all of what is more likely to kill. I agree alcohol is not meant to kil. Guns are meant to at least injure or kill. We are in agreement.
Here is the deal though, alcohol is responsible for more deaths and destruction to lives in the country than guns. If we banned alcohol and guns, more lives would be saved then banning guns. Yet, no one wants to give up alcohol even though it serves no legitimate necessity of life.
This isn't some radical discussion that we should be called idiots for talking about. It is fact. Alcohol kills more people and destroys more lives than guns in this country. Alcohol serves no necessary purpose. Yet there almost zero calls to banning alcohol when it could save lives.
Again, vehicles serve a necessary purpose in life. Alcohol doesn't. That is the difference.
no one called idiots anyone...
the thought compare those 2 is idiotic...
alchohol wasnt made to kill....if you use it wrong or too much and if you drive after that use maybe will kill..dont have to mention,alchohol is number 1 need to medicine..
guns made for kill and for nothing else...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
no one called idiots anyone...
the thought compare those 2 is idiotic...
alchohol wasnt made to kill....if you use it wrong or too much and if you drive after that use maybe will kill..
guns made for kill and for nothing else...
I agree. But why is there no consideration to getting rid of alcohol when it is related to more killings than guns but serves no necessary purpose? That is my question in this thread. Guns or no guns.
What do we lose by giving up alcohol? Only a buzz. What do we gain? Hundreds of thousands of lives. So why is there not only no debate about banning alcohol, but also no even mention of debating it? Why?
Nuclear waste (taking this argument to an extreme) is not created to kill. But we go great lengths to make sure it is securely stored and away from people. We ban things all the time that weren't created to kill but can kill.
i myself was a serious party nut. drunk as shit & high as a frickin kite daily or as often as i could get toasted frickin blinding drunk. i haven't drank in what seems like around 3 years. i will promise every single one of you something... alcohol is more deadly than a gun.
i was raised in a house with several guns. dad was a prison guard for 30 years. guns to us was common knowledge. i never once nor did my two brothers ever own toy guns. mom & dad never allowed that. to kids that can mix things up between real guns & toy guns.
i became a early drunkard going to high school drunk at 8am. we'd drink all summer when i was 14 on up. this means my younger two brothers were drunk as shit at 12 & 13 years old... easily. don't count the rails of crank we'd be snorting, me in high school & the youngest in junior high.
i've without a doubt had alcohol poisoning at least what seems like many hundreds of times. i am extremely lucky to be alive because of alcohol damn near killing me in an overdose fashion.
guns of all types have never not once came even remotely close to killing me or my two brothers like alcohol has. this includes shooting up the backyard with targets whilst shooting down whiskey shots like water.
we were taught how to handle guns by our grandfather (a wwII army gentleman who served in the south pacific islands) and by his son our father.
dad's greatest mistake (god rest his soul) was giving us alcohol not guns. alcohol has destroyed my family, my friends & their families, my loved ones & all inbetween
is already silly Tony...have a good day at one of my favo towns of all times..hope will visit you soon..
It is silly. People thinking they will solve crime and the acts of a ridiculously small number of nutjobs by punishing the innocent is silly.
Well, these nutjobs cause a hell of a lot of damage and grief.
Listen, all the twenty debates here were caused by an incident where children got killed. I am not sure if you have children yourself, but this thing appaled me, in the same way it probably appaled you. All I read in the news is that they want to create stricter rules regarding gun control and bingo twenty posts appear on a Pearl Jam fanclub site - think of the irony here, for crying out loud - where I read the most silly comparisons. ("Gun vs alcohol, the government will kill us if we don't have guns; or the most appaling in my opinion: if German citizens had guns the Holocaust wouldn't have happened" - what!???!) Let me repeat: children got killed. It is sad and sickening, really. Obama, speaks about gun control. Not outlawing guns. (Unfortunately, but that is a personal opinion.) I do not think they will be kicking in your door anytime soon to take your little precious away. It is about stricter rules, and quite frankly, it is needed. If you have problem registering it, after the new rules, well, than you shouldn't have a gun to begin with... I feel like some people think we still live in the Wild Wild West.
i myself was a serious party nut. drunk as shit & high as a frickin kite daily or as often as i could get toasted frickin blinding drunk. i haven't drank in what seems like around 3 years. i will promise every single one of you something... alcohol is more deadly than a gun.
Well, I like partying too. But common, there is a difference here. Even though alcholism is a problem and people die of alcohol poisoning. (Some people also die because of, believe it or not *water* - you can OD if you drink too much water, as we found out a few years back when a college initiation party went haywire.) The aim of alcohol is not to kill. Water is not made to kill. Guns are made to kill. They are made to shoot at other people. And a semi automatic weapon in the wrong hands, can cause for children to die. 30 rounds of bullits in a classroom, within a minuten, cannot be compared in anyway with a bottle of beer. Lets please keep things in perspective.
sure guns are made to kill. people have this thing called addiction they get hooked on shit easily, some easier than others. it is a proven fact alcohol kills more people than guns.
people wanna drink & drive. this = good chance of killing folks & many do just that daily.
from my personal life long experience... alcohol kills more people in my family than guns & we have both, guns & booze. however, currently i have neither whiskey nor a gun.
sure guns are made to kill. people have this thing called addiction they get hooked on shit easily, some easier than others. it is a proven fact alcohol kills more people than guns.
people wanna drink & drive. this = good chance of killing folks & many do just that daily.
from my personal life long experience... alcohol kills more people in my family than guns & we have both, guns & booze. however, currently i have neither whiskey nor a gun.
No disagreement here. But that still doens't take the fact away that guns were made to kill. You can also die from prescription drugs. All these comparisons say nothing about the reality that someone with some serious issues can walk into a classroom and start shooting sixty rounds to innocent children. That what this is about. People die of various reasons. Most often accidental. But the aim of guns is to kill...
is already silly Tony...have a good day at one of my favo towns of all times..hope will visit you soon..
Well, I am glad I live here. You can smoke cannabis and guns are illegal. Good combination, really ;-)
i know...i love your country,cos most of all,people know to enjoy,have fun,and are cool,with no crazy rythm...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Well, these nutjobs cause a hell of a lot of damage and grief.
Listen, all the twenty debates here were caused by an incident where children got killed. I am not sure if you have children yourself, but this thing appaled me, in the same way it probably appaled you. All I read in the news is that they want to create stricter rules regarding gun control and bingo twenty posts appear on a Pearl Jam fanclub site - think of the irony here, for crying out loud - where I read the most silly comparisons. ("Gun vs alcohol, the government will kill us if we don't have guns; or the most appaling in my opinion: if German citizens had guns the Holocaust wouldn't have happened" - what!???!) Let me repeat: children got killed. It is sad and sickening, really. Obama, speaks about gun control. Not outlawing guns. (Unfortunately, but that is a personal opinion.) I do not think they will be kicking in your door anytime soon to take your little precious away. It is about stricter rules, and quite frankly, it is needed. If you have problem registering it, after the new rules, well, than you shouldn't have a gun to begin with... I feel like some people think we still live in the Wild Wild West.
its really good feeling i know you are a teacher in a university...
there is still hope..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
sure guns are made to kill. people have this thing called addiction they get hooked on shit easily, some easier than others. it is a proven fact alcohol kills more people than guns.
people wanna drink & drive. this = good chance of killing folks & many do just that daily.
from my personal life long experience... alcohol kills more people in my family than guns & we have both, guns & booze. however, currently i have neither whiskey nor a gun.
No disagreement here. But that still doens't take the fact away that guns were made to kill. You can also die from prescription drugs. All these comparisons say nothing about the reality that someone with some serious issues can walk into a classroom and start shooting sixty rounds to innocent children. That what this is about. People die of various reasons. Most often accidental. But the aim of guns is to kill...
Let's ignore guns for this post. Pretend they have been banned long ago.
Presription drugs make people get better from a sickness. They have purpose. What is alcohol's purpose, and what would society be like without it (besides having hundreds of more thousands alive)?
So far you have not explained why we should have alcohol legal when it does not serve a legitimate purpose, but yet kills hundreds of thousands of people. People on here think it is a ludicrous comparison, but lets just look at alcohol only and the positives and negatives. Do the positives of alcohol justify the negatives?
This is a legitimate question. I am not a fringe Republican that hunts every weekend or thinks Obama was born in Kenya. I don't own a gun. I would be for assault weapons bans.
Just look at alcohol. It was not made to kill but look at the benefits and the negatives. Cars help people get to work, to see family, to respond to emergencies quickly. I think this benefit outweighs the loss of life in accidents. Does alcohol's beneifts outweigh the negative?
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So what you're saying is the general public is too stupid to possess these things but somehow the elected officials out of that same general stupid population is smart enough to regulate or restrict them?
No, that's not what he's saying at all. Although you already know this.
No, that's not what he's saying at all. Although you already know this.[/quote]
That's the way I read it. I mean if "humans are too stupid and irresponsible to possess such power"...the elected officials out of that same human population must be too stupid as well. How do you read it?
http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/c ... 02314.html
NO. You said that, you seem to put words in people's mouths and flip the story around to suit your argument.
That's what I see after reading this entire thread.
If I'm wrong I apologize.
Absolutley not. That's not my post. It's someone else's. If someone says we as a human race are too stupid to possess these items...who deems us too stupid? I guess it's people out of that same stupid human population....correct? Unless it's God or some aliens doing it I don't know who else it could be. :? So we as a general stupid human population elect officals out of our own stupid human population to tell us as stupid humans what we should or should not possess. :fp:
I tend to agree with this statement.
so if we restrict the alcohol by volume, then it can be surmised it would make sense to restrict ammunition by power.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
:thumbup:
I like the guns vs angry housewives. You forget the husbands though!
This is getting silly. I counted 15 posts about gun control. It is simple: you want to have a gun, you register. You do some tests and start shooting beer cans in your backyard. That is all you will ever do for there will not be a big revolution or an overnight dictatorship. If you don't register the question will be: why not? (And don't come with the liberty BS; you need a driver license to drive don't you?) What do you have to hide? And if don't pass the psychological tests, well, you shouldn't have a gun. Nobody will take your (in the voice of Gollum) "little shiny precious" away.
Well lets just say that comparing guns, alcohol, and tobacco isn't ridiculous. I will point you to a certain government agency in the US. It's known as the ATF...or The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Here's the link in case you haven't heard of it.
http://www.atf.gov/
And limiting alcohol by volume....I can still buy legally produced grain alcohol in the US which is almost 100 percent alcohol. As long as I'm not drunk I can still purchase as much of any type of alcohol I want in the US. As far as day and time issues...those are state by state...laws based on religoun...and you have already made it clear here on how you feel about religion so why would you bring this up now especially as far as government regulations?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It is silly. People thinking they will solve crime and the acts of a ridiculously small number of nutjobs by punishing the innocent is silly.
yes, thanks, I've heard of the ATF. An agency built around 3 things that need to be REGULATED.
Feel about religion? Please, educate us all on how I "feel about religion", son. :roll:
Some laws are based on religion, of course. But religion is based on humanity's moral compass. So your point is moot. So I have no issue with laws based in religion because those laws would have come with or without religion.
This is what this has come to? you have to deflect the discussion AGAIN to a different topic?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
You're feelings about religion?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It is not a question at all of what is more likely to kill. I agree alcohol is not meant to kil. Guns are meant to at least injure or kill. We are in agreement.
Here is the deal though, alcohol is responsible for more deaths and destruction to lives in the country than guns. If we banned alcohol and guns, more lives would be saved banning alcohol than banning guns. Yet, no one wants to give up alcohol even though it serves no legitimate necessity of life.
This isn't some radical discussion that we should be called idiots for talking about. It is fact. Alcohol kills more people and destroys more lives than guns in this country. Alcohol serves no necessary purpose. Yet there almost zero calls to banning alcohol when it could save lives.
Again, vehicles serve a necessary purpose in life. Alcohol doesn't. That is the difference.
You don't need alcohol to survive. You could live out the rest of your days without a drop of alcohol. Alcohol is directly and indirectly related to more deaths and destruction in the US than guns.
So why aren't you attacking alcohol? I can understand attacking guns, and I'm okay with that. But to not attack something that creates more death than guns and serves no purpose in life is strange. How do you reconcile this?
Cars serve a purpose. We don't live on farms anymore where we live and work within a mile of each other. Alcohol serves no purpose other than to create a buzz.
the thought compare those 2 is idiotic...
alchohol wasnt made to kill....if you use it wrong or too much and if you drive after that use maybe will kill..dont have to mention,alchohol is number 1 need to medicine..
guns made for kill and for nothing else...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I agree. But why is there no consideration to getting rid of alcohol when it is related to more killings than guns but serves no necessary purpose? That is my question in this thread. Guns or no guns.
What do we lose by giving up alcohol? Only a buzz. What do we gain? Hundreds of thousands of lives. So why is there not only no debate about banning alcohol, but also no even mention of debating it? Why?
Nuclear waste (taking this argument to an extreme) is not created to kill. But we go great lengths to make sure it is securely stored and away from people. We ban things all the time that weren't created to kill but can kill.
i was raised in a house with several guns. dad was a prison guard for 30 years. guns to us was common knowledge. i never once nor did my two brothers ever own toy guns. mom & dad never allowed that. to kids that can mix things up between real guns & toy guns.
i became a early drunkard going to high school drunk at 8am. we'd drink all summer when i was 14 on up. this means my younger two brothers were drunk as shit at 12 & 13 years old... easily. don't count the rails of crank we'd be snorting, me in high school & the youngest in junior high.
i've without a doubt had alcohol poisoning at least what seems like many hundreds of times. i am extremely lucky to be alive because of alcohol damn near killing me in an overdose fashion.
guns of all types have never not once came even remotely close to killing me or my two brothers like alcohol has. this includes shooting up the backyard with targets whilst shooting down whiskey shots like water.
we were taught how to handle guns by our grandfather (a wwII army gentleman who served in the south pacific islands) and by his son our father.
dad's greatest mistake (god rest his soul) was giving us alcohol not guns. alcohol has destroyed my family, my friends & their families, my loved ones & all inbetween
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Well, these nutjobs cause a hell of a lot of damage and grief.
Listen, all the twenty debates here were caused by an incident where children got killed. I am not sure if you have children yourself, but this thing appaled me, in the same way it probably appaled you. All I read in the news is that they want to create stricter rules regarding gun control and bingo twenty posts appear on a Pearl Jam fanclub site - think of the irony here, for crying out loud - where I read the most silly comparisons. ("Gun vs alcohol, the government will kill us if we don't have guns; or the most appaling in my opinion: if German citizens had guns the Holocaust wouldn't have happened" - what!???!) Let me repeat: children got killed. It is sad and sickening, really. Obama, speaks about gun control. Not outlawing guns. (Unfortunately, but that is a personal opinion.) I do not think they will be kicking in your door anytime soon to take your little precious away. It is about stricter rules, and quite frankly, it is needed. If you have problem registering it, after the new rules, well, than you shouldn't have a gun to begin with... I feel like some people think we still live in the Wild Wild West.
Well, I like partying too. But common, there is a difference here. Even though alcholism is a problem and people die of alcohol poisoning. (Some people also die because of, believe it or not *water* - you can OD if you drink too much water, as we found out a few years back when a college initiation party went haywire.) The aim of alcohol is not to kill. Water is not made to kill. Guns are made to kill. They are made to shoot at other people. And a semi automatic weapon in the wrong hands, can cause for children to die. 30 rounds of bullits in a classroom, within a minuten, cannot be compared in anyway with a bottle of beer. Lets please keep things in perspective.
Well, I am glad I live here. You can smoke cannabis and guns are illegal. Good combination, really ;-)
people wanna drink & drive. this = good chance of killing folks & many do just that daily.
from my personal life long experience... alcohol kills more people in my family than guns & we have both, guns & booze. however, currently i have neither whiskey nor a gun.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
No disagreement here. But that still doens't take the fact away that guns were made to kill. You can also die from prescription drugs. All these comparisons say nothing about the reality that someone with some serious issues can walk into a classroom and start shooting sixty rounds to innocent children. That what this is about. People die of various reasons. Most often accidental. But the aim of guns is to kill...
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there is still hope..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Let's ignore guns for this post. Pretend they have been banned long ago.
Presription drugs make people get better from a sickness. They have purpose. What is alcohol's purpose, and what would society be like without it (besides having hundreds of more thousands alive)?
So far you have not explained why we should have alcohol legal when it does not serve a legitimate purpose, but yet kills hundreds of thousands of people. People on here think it is a ludicrous comparison, but lets just look at alcohol only and the positives and negatives. Do the positives of alcohol justify the negatives?
This is a legitimate question. I am not a fringe Republican that hunts every weekend or thinks Obama was born in Kenya. I don't own a gun. I would be for assault weapons bans.
Just look at alcohol. It was not made to kill but look at the benefits and the negatives. Cars help people get to work, to see family, to respond to emergencies quickly. I think this benefit outweighs the loss of life in accidents. Does alcohol's beneifts outweigh the negative?