I've been stopped and had someone steal my stuff. My house has been broken into. I will never carry a gun.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
**sighs**.. Do people lie? I don't know Pandora, do they? You said you never lied and you never will... so could we extrapolate from there?
And I'm glad you're finding something fun that you can smile at.
Anyway... your posts seem to suggest you can read words but not understand context. Getting really tiresome.
I'm done with these kind of discussions on these threads about this tragic event. Done with people who do not read and keep on regurgitating the same thing. Done with people who think the right to own willy nilly lethal firearms supersedes the right to life of children (and adults). Done with people who deflect with asinine 'arguments'. Done with people who do not want to see reality. Done with people who keep on portraying killers as victims. The victims are the ones that were massacred - some little ones literally riddled with bullets.
The little ones and their teachers are being laid to rest. Let's learn lessons from that. I know some can, if not all.
Why do you engage then put another poster down that does not totally agree with you?
I feel the people wanting to ban guns are missing the first change that should be taking place. That is addressing mental healthcare.
New facts are coming out about the shooter.
I feel he was just as much a victim as those who died. His torment went on for years.
His torment could have been stopped if people cared and this horrific thing could have been avoided.
That is the true reality.
Wonder what other young man is lost considering taking his pain out on others?
Who has not been helped with their mental illness? How many will take their lives today?
We know there are many others.
**sighs**.. Do people lie? I don't know Pandora, do they? You said you never lied and you never will... so could we extrapolate from there?
And I'm glad you're finding something fun that you can smile at.
Anyway... your posts seem to suggest you can read words but not understand context. Getting really tiresome.
I'm done with these kind of discussions on these threads about this tragic event. Done with people who do not read and keep on regurgitating the same thing. Done with people who think the right to own willy nilly lethal firearms supersedes the right to life of children (and adults). Done with people who deflect with asinine 'arguments'. Done with people who do not want to see reality. Done with people who keep on portraying killers as victims. The victims are the ones that were massacred - some little ones literally riddled with bullets.
The little ones and their teachers are being laid to rest. Let's learn lessons from that. I know some can, if not all.
Why do you engage then put another poster down that does not totally agree with you?
I feel the people wanting to ban guns are missing the first change that should be taking place. That is addressing mental healthcare.
New facts are coming out about the shooter.
I feel he was just as much a victim as those who died. His torment went on for years.
His torment could have been stopped if people cared and this horrific thing could have been avoided.
That is the true reality.
Wonder what other young man is lost considering taking his pain out on others?
Who has not been helped with their mental illness? How many will take their lives today?
We know there are many others.
mental illness needs to be addressed but their is no link on a world scale to mental illness and mass shootings or violence for that matter..... mental illness is a problem everywhere but mental illness/mass shootings isn't a factor anywhere else but America. So there is no link. the only difference in America to everywhere else is the access and amount of guns... that is it. I have said this 10 times. it's simple.
people all over the world suffer from mental illness but AREN'T SHOOTING UP SCHOOLS.... next distraction....
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**sighs**.. Do people lie? I don't know Pandora, do they? You said you never lied and you never will... so could we extrapolate from there?
And I'm glad you're finding something fun that you can smile at.
Anyway... your posts seem to suggest you can read words but not understand context. Getting really tiresome.
I'm done with these kind of discussions on these threads about this tragic event. Done with people who do not read and keep on regurgitating the same thing. Done with people who think the right to own willy nilly lethal firearms supersedes the right to life of children (and adults). Done with people who deflect with asinine 'arguments'. Done with people who do not want to see reality. Done with people who keep on portraying killers as victims. The victims are the ones that were massacred - some little ones literally riddled with bullets.
The little ones and their teachers are being laid to rest. Let's learn lessons from that. I know some can, if not all.
Why do you engage then put another poster down that does not totally agree with you?
I feel the people wanting to ban guns are missing the first change that should be taking place. That is addressing mental healthcare.
New facts are coming out about the shooter.
I feel he was just as much a victim as those who died. His torment went on for years.
His torment could have been stopped if people cared and this horrific thing could have been avoided.
That is the true reality.
Wonder what other young man is lost considering taking his pain out on others?
Who has not been helped with their mental illness? How many will take their lives today?
We know there are many others.
Can you provide more info about the torment he experienced and what obstacles he encountered in receiving care? It seems he must have received treatment at some point since someone diagnosed him. From what has been reported his family was in a fortunate position to access care. I think one thing is clear - if you live with a family member who has been diagnosed with a personality disorder (as some reports have stated about this shooter) or who has been aggressive or experienced suicidality (not sure if that is a part of this shooter's history) it is very poor judgment to have a gun in your home. That is not responsible gun ownership.
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Sadness and so much sorrow for those who have lost their lives in this senseless massacre. Where is the respect for their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Those rights were snatched away in less than 10 minutes and hundreds of bullets. Innocent 5 year olds were gunned down like animals, while their classmates witnessed unspeakable horror. As a nation, we need to do better. Now is the time to seek responsible gun laws that allow people to defend themselves but don't protect civilians who choose to stockpile weapons whose sole purpose is to massacre. The National Rifle Assn has contributed millions to the campaigns of our elected officials. Amounts each official accepted are listed at opensecrets.org. Check out who from your state has accepted these contributions and vote responsibly.
I feel this it so sad our world that will not take responsibility for their lost souls.
Not their problem... they can't feel it, a wall up to keep from feeling,
someone else's problem.
So much easier to live a life not feeling, those who only feel the very obvious pain and loss
when there is so much more to embrace.
This shooters world failed him, made him, who he was. Until we address that
there will be many more like Adam whether they kill others or only themselves.
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See the thing with me is I respect peoples rights.
And I respect the right of these children - the right they had to continue the life they were given. The right to grow up, to be happy kids, to wake up Christmas morning all excited. I respect the right of their parents to kiss and cuddle their children.
I respect the life of the teachers, life they had to give up to protect the children. I respect the right of their children to have their mother with them and the right of their parents to still have their children, albeit grown up.
Rights THEY lost because some think the right to own an arsenal if you wish is more important.
I respect people's rights. If one value's one's right to own a lethal 'toy' over the right of any of the 27 people (and many others who have died at the hand of one establishing his right to bear arms) to continue to live a fulfilling life, I can only look at this with sadness.
really well said redrock.
And as for the "socialist type environment" - maybe if we all started to realize that it is all of our job to take care of each other, we wouldn't be shooting the shit out of each other. It seems that when guns intersect with an environment in which the rights of the individual trump the good of the collective, we get disaster
Thank you redrock you must play softball because you continually hit it out of the park. Did anyone see or hear the singing of Ana Marquez-Greene while her 8 year old brother played the piano next to her? Well to me she is a victim along with ALL the other children and teachers. The victim list continues for years to come those who survived just imagine one Ana's brother who now has to live on without his joyful younger sister. He's just one of many many others.
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I hate being called a socialist for wanting to keep people safe.. it anger me like nothing else. surely people agree that for the sake of everyone's safety SOME rights need to be taken away this is how all great democracies have been run and will be run in the future.
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I hate being called a socialist for wanting to keep people safe.. it anger me like nothing else. surely people agree that for the sake of everyone's safety SOME rights need to be taken away this is how all great democracies have been run and will be run in the future.
I hate being called a socialist for wanting to keep people safe.. it anger me like nothing else. surely people agree that for the sake of everyone's safety SOME rights need to be taken away this is how all great democracies have been run and will be run in the future.
Quit your whining you socialist freak!
I will take a little break
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I love you forever and forever
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I feel the people wanting to ban guns are missing the first change that should be taking place. That is addressing mental healthcare.
Just to help keep on track, I see that sometimes you get off track talking towards people who want to ban all guns. The majority of us here are simply talking better laws and tighter regulations.
If you and others respect the rights then broaden your agenda
and help make mental health help readily available affordable to people who need it.
Help with awareness. That is the solutionbanning guns does not mean
this killer would not kill. The proper help could have.
You have two speculative arguments going here that have no basis. I hear a lot of people saying that focus on guns is silly because this killer would still kill no matter what. And in the next sentence you say he couldve been helped by affordable mental healthcare. We are not in the minds of these wackos. Under pure conjecture I could easily say that maybe the shooter wasnt a patient or motivated person and if guns were harder to get, maybe could opts for a knife, which wouldve resulted in a lot less death. Point is, dont blow off gun regulations just because you assume a person will carry out their sick thoughts. It doesnt always happen. And there's no way to determine how many people are thwarted by laws if it simply doesnt happen.
Yes, the proper help could have helped. Maybe.
and better gun laws could help too. Maybe.
I think they're equally as important, and if we make some strides with both, I think some lives could be saved. But yes, in the end, I think mental health needs to be more accessible.
I hate being called a socialist for wanting to keep people safe.. it anger me like nothing else. surely people agree that for the sake of everyone's safety SOME rights need to be taken away this is how all great democracies have been run and will be run in the future.
Quit your whining you socialist freak!
I will take a little break
I feel you and your sensitivity
I'm not even sure why mental illness has become the focus when I've yet to hear if the shooter had a mental illness. So far I've heard he may have had Asperger's, which is a neurodevelopmental disorder and wouldn't explain this violence. We do know that he used a gun though, so maybe we should start with what we know for sure, rather than what is simply speculation
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mental illness needs to be addressed but their is no link on a world scale to mental illness and mass shootings or violence for that matter..... mental illness is a problem everywhere but mental illness/mass shootings isn't a factor anywhere else but America. So there is no link. the only difference in America to everywhere else is the access and amount of guns... that is it. I have said this 10 times. it's simple.
people all over the world suffer from mental illness but AREN'T SHOOTING UP SCHOOLS.... next distraction....
Good point. its our culture too...and the availability of guns. It really makes one wonder if its not just too late to do anything. :(
I feel the people wanting to ban guns are missing the first change that should be taking place. That is addressing mental healthcare.
Just to help keep on track, I see that sometimes you get off track talking towards people who want to ban all guns. The majority of us here are simply talking better laws and tighter regulations.
If you and others respect the rights then broaden your agenda
and help make mental health help readily available affordable to people who need it.
Help with awareness. That is the solutionbanning guns does not mean
this killer would not kill. The proper help could have.
You have two speculative arguments going here that have no basis. I hear a lot of people saying that focus on guns is silly because this killer would still kill no matter what. And in the next sentence you say he couldve been helped by affordable mental healthcare. We are not in the minds of these wackos. Under pure conjecture I could easily say that maybe the shooter wasnt a patient or motivated person and if guns were harder to get, maybe could opts for a knife, which wouldve resulted in a lot less death. Point is, dont blow off gun regulations just because you assume a person will carry out their sick thoughts. It doesnt always happen. And there's no way to determine how many people are thwarted by laws if it simply doesnt happen.
Yes, the proper help could have helped. Maybe.
and better gun laws could help too. Maybe.
I think they're equally as important, and if we make some strides with both, I think some lives could be saved. But yes, in the end, I think mental health needs to be more accessible.
As far as gun regulations I am in favor of changes by state amendments and the people's choice
in each perspective state. By vote, by the people. Not by Federal bans.
My agenda is not gun laws it is gettin help, the proper accessable care for those suffering
with mental illness. They far outnumber any victims of random shootings,
we will ever talk about. One million people take their lives each year.
That is just one statistic of the number of people affected and hurt by the lack of
awareness and care.
I'm not sure I agree with with you on what gun banners want.
We will agree to disagree on that.
not sure if it is here but his mother expressed great worry the week
before to his aunt on what he might do.
Its still unclear if he was ever properly diagnosed or treated for mental illness,
it was said his parents told others of the conditions.
So according to the articles investigators didn't find any psychotropic meds and don't know if he had ever received a diagnosis for a mental illness. So far what I've read hasn't pointed to an illness that can be treated, but more to socialization and environmental issues.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
not sure if it is here but his mother expressed great worry the week
before to his aunt on what he might do.
Its still unclear if he was ever properly diagnosed or treated for mental illness,
it was said his parents told others of the conditions.
So according to the articles investigators didn't find any psychotropic meds and don't know if he had ever received a diagnosis for a mental illness. So far what I've read hasn't pointed to an illness that can be treated, but more to socialization and environmental issues.
Wow, 300g's a year in alimony should've been used to help this kid.
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I feel the people wanting to ban guns are missing the first change that should be taking place. That is addressing mental healthcare.
Just to help keep on track, I see that sometimes you get off track talking towards people who want to ban all guns. The majority of us here are simply talking better laws and tighter regulations.
If you and others respect the rights then broaden your agenda
and help make mental health help readily available affordable to people who need it.
Help with awareness. That is the solutionbanning guns does not mean
this killer would not kill. The proper help could have.
You have two speculative arguments going here that have no basis. I hear a lot of people saying that focus on guns is silly because this killer would still kill no matter what. And in the next sentence you say he couldve been helped by affordable mental healthcare. We are not in the minds of these wackos. Under pure conjecture I could easily say that maybe the shooter wasnt a patient or motivated person and if guns were harder to get, maybe could opts for a knife, which wouldve resulted in a lot less death. Point is, dont blow off gun regulations just because you assume a person will carry out their sick thoughts. It doesnt always happen. And there's no way to determine how many people are thwarted by laws if it simply doesnt happen.
Yes, the proper help could have helped. Maybe.
and better gun laws could help too. Maybe.
I think they're equally as important, and if we make some strides with both, I think some lives could be saved. But yes, in the end, I think mental health needs to be more accessible.
As far as gun regulations I am in favor of changes by state amendments and the people's choice
in each perspective state. By vote, by the people. Not by Federal bans.
Here is the problem with state laws... people travel all of the time across state lines. If I live in NY with strict gun laws, then I can just drive a half hour into PA, and buy whatever arsenal I want and shoot up a school in NY.
It needs to be federally enforced to have any effectiveness whatsoever.
And quit using the word "ban". The vast majority of people just want stronger background checks and training involved, and some sort of restrictions on types of guns (semi auto rifles, large capacity magazines, etc).
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I'm not even sure why mental illness has become the focus when I've yet to hear if the shooter had a mental illness. So far I've heard he may have had Asperger's, which is a neurodevelopmental disorder and wouldn't explain this violence. We do know that he used a gun though, so maybe we should start with what we know for sure, rather than what is simply speculation
Wow head in sand syndrome. Says a lot about our mental health care
in our country.Losing.... That is exactly the point... all the warning signs and no metal health diagnosis or treatment.
Good going America!
This disease coupled with focus, obsession with guns and hours of gun play daily in a bunker type room
along with withdrawal from human contact, human bonds and being ostrichsized in his town
might have played a little role in why he did what he did. Maybe just maybe :fp:
that is sarcasm. And we know from his brother and father he had other issues.
A blow out at the school the day before set if off. The kid was on the brink
but I wonder if anyone even noticed, let alone cared. When will they?
When will mental health professionals make the demands needed to provide care to people,
ball in their court.
.
I'm not even sure why mental illness has become the focus when I've yet to hear if the shooter had a mental illness. So far I've heard he may have had Asperger's, which is a neurodevelopmental disorder and wouldn't explain this violence. We do know that he used a gun though, so maybe we should start with what we know for sure, rather than what is simply speculation
Wow head in sand syndrome. Says a lot about our mental health care
in our country.Losing.... That is exactly the point... all the warning signs and no metal health diagnosis or treatment.
Good going America!
This disease coupled with focus, obsession with guns and hours of gun play daily in a bunker type room
along with withdrawal from human contact, human bonds and being ostrichsized in his town
might have played a little role in why he did what he did. Maybe just maybe :fp:
that is sarcasm. And we know from his brother and father he had other issues.
A blow out at the school the day before set if off. The kid was on the brink
but I wonder if anyone even noticed, let alone cared. When will they?
When will mental health professionals make the demands needed to provide care to people,
ball in their court.
.
You are pushing an agenda based on no evidence and all speculation, you must see that.
As far as gun regulations I am in favor of changes by state amendments and the people's choice
in each perspective state. By vote, by the people. Not by Federal bans.
Here is the problem with state laws... people travel all of the time across state lines. If I live in NY with strict gun laws, then I can just drive a half hour into PA, and buy whatever arsenal I want and shoot up a school in NY.
It needs to be federally enforced to have any effectiveness whatsoever.
And quit using the word "ban". The vast majority of people just want stronger background checks and training involved, and some sort of restrictions on types of guns (semi auto rifles, large capacity magazines, etc).
Yes I know about the difference in state laws, accepting permits between states etc.
People find a way don't they? I'm against Federal bans.
No, we will have to agree to disagree on what gunbanners want.
When I see the word ban in a Federal bill I know what they want its pretty clear.
I'm not even sure why mental illness has become the focus when I've yet to hear if the shooter had a mental illness. So far I've heard he may have had Asperger's, which is a neurodevelopmental disorder and wouldn't explain this violence. We do know that he used a gun though, so maybe we should start with what we know for sure, rather than what is simply speculation
Wow head in sand syndrome. Says a lot about our mental health care
in our country.Losing.... That is exactly the point... all the warning signs and no metal health diagnosis or treatment.
Good going America!
This disease coupled with focus, obsession with guns and hours of gun play daily in a bunker type room
along with withdrawal from human contact, human bonds and being ostrichsized in his town
might have played a little role in why he did what he did. Maybe just maybe :fp:
that is sarcasm. And we know from his brother and father he had other issues.
A blow out at the school the day before set if off. The kid was on the brink
but I wonder if anyone even noticed, let alone cared. When will they?
When will mental health professionals make the demands needed to provide care to people,
ball in their court.
.
I'll ignore the personal insult. This time.
What other diagnosis and treatment should he have had Pandora? It certainly seems like the family had the financial means to seek an assessment and get treatment. Not every killer is mentally ill. Shocking I know. It's also been reported that he may have had a personality disorder, which would make a lot of sense with regard to this kind of violence, but that hasn't been confirmed. People with personality disorders blame others for their problems and always feel victimized. They often seek revenge. This is their way of relating,but there is no pill that will cure it. The hyper focus on games and social isolation is often a part of autism spectrum disorders and not necessarily a cause for concern. Some people focus on games, others its sharks or history, etc. it's part of the neurological functioning. It's very possible the shooter had a personality disorder or another diagnosis in addition to the Asperger's, but this hasn't been confirmed You seem to have more information than I do about his symptoms. We do know he used guns though and we know how he got them
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I'm not even sure why mental illness has become the focus when I've yet to hear if the shooter had a mental illness. So far I've heard he may have had Asperger's, which is a neurodevelopmental disorder and wouldn't explain this violence. We do know that he used a gun though, so maybe we should start with what we know for sure, rather than what is simply speculation
Wow head in sand syndrome. Says a lot about our mental health care
in our country.Losing.... That is exactly the point... all the warning signs and no metal health diagnosis or treatment.
Good going America!
This disease coupled with focus, obsession with guns and hours of gun play daily in a bunker type room
along with withdrawal from human contact, human bonds and being ostrichsized in his town
might have played a little role in why he did what he did. Maybe just maybe :fp:
that is sarcasm. And we know from his brother and father he had other issues.
A blow out at the school the day before set if off. The kid was on the brink
but I wonder if anyone even noticed, let alone cared. When will they?
When will mental health professionals make the demands needed to provide care to people,
ball in their court.
.
You are pushing an agenda based on no evidence and all speculation, you must see that.
You think this young man was not mentally ill after all the reports? After a look into his life
and what others have said... or is it... it would not matter to you if he was.
As far as gun regulations I am in favor of changes by state amendments and the people's choice
in each perspective state. By vote, by the people. Not by Federal bans.
Here is the problem with state laws... people travel all of the time across state lines. If I live in NY with strict gun laws, then I can just drive a half hour into PA, and buy whatever arsenal I want and shoot up a school in NY.
It needs to be federally enforced to have any effectiveness whatsoever.
And quit using the word "ban". The vast majority of people just want stronger background checks and training involved, and some sort of restrictions on types of guns (semi auto rifles, large capacity magazines, etc).
Yes I know about the difference in state laws, accepting permits between states etc.
People find a way don't they? I'm against Federal bans.
No, we will have to agree to disagree on what gunbanners want.
When I see the word ban in a Federal bill I know what they want its pretty clear.
Oh good. So we are clear on what the intent of the word 'ban' might mean: safer classrooms, malls, and movie theaters.
You're coming around finally! Well done.
And just remember... even if all those really awesome guns do become banned... you can still have shotguns and rifles! A shotgun would be a great home invasion deterrent... dontcha think? Everybody wins! Yay.
mental illness needs to be addressed but their is no link on a world scale to mental illness and mass shootings or violence for that matter..... mental illness is a problem everywhere but mental illness/mass shootings isn't a factor anywhere else but America. So there is no link. the only difference in America to everywhere else is the access and amount of guns... that is it. I have said this 10 times. it's simple.
people all over the world suffer from mental illness but AREN'T SHOOTING UP SCHOOLS.... next distraction....
Good point. its our culture too...and the availability of guns. It really makes one wonder if its not just too late to do anything. :(
Not sure if this article was posted elsewhere so I apologize if it has.
Interesting point about the root cause of gun violence in our country although other nations have high gun ownerhsip as well. A change in culture is definitely in order. Rather than focusing on the individual perhaps we should focus on increasing our collective mentality. That means a focus on community and fostering empathy for those within our community. Schools are on the right track in regards to demanding volunteer hours for their students but where some of these initiatives fail is that the focus is still on the individual. Usually students undertake these effortts in a quest to gain college admittance or schoarlships.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
this should be the way it is in America also.... anyone care to tell me when the last shot was fired to kill someone in Japan? this should be the case worldwide but it won't ever happen in America. it's a sick culture.
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So according to the articles investigators didn't find any psychotropic meds and don't know if he had ever received a diagnosis for a mental illness. So far what I've read hasn't pointed to an illness that can be treated, but more to socialization and environmental issues.
As said before CBG.. all speculation.
People having their 15 minutes of fame by giving 'insight' to the reporters. From the plumber and the gardener, the family member who has not seen the family for years, the school friend (who didn't really know him but just saw him in the corridors) to the 'undisclosed source, the 'insider source' and the plain anonymous source. All wanting a piece of the action.
I've read reports where it was said the killer was anywhere from an OK but odd person to a complete psycho. I've read reports from a babysitter who was told not to turn her back on him - one would automatically think because he would be up to no good but no, a couple of lines will say it's because he had a physical impairment which meant he could not feel pain and therefore could get hurt very easily. I've read reports his mother was devoted to him and not the nutter some would like to portray her as. I've read that he was certainly well looked after.
One thing most seem to agree on is that he had some form of Asperger's. Reports associate his Asperger's to being a psycho to murdering children.
An insult to those suffering of Asperger Syndrome.
We just don't know. And we probably never will.
Oh... and stop feeling Zoso's sensitivity in public.
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I feel the people wanting to ban guns are missing the first change that should be taking place.
That is addressing mental healthcare.
New facts are coming out about the shooter.
I feel he was just as much a victim as those who died. His torment went on for years.
His torment could have been stopped if people cared and this horrific thing could have been avoided.
That is the true reality.
Wonder what other young man is lost considering taking his pain out on others?
Who has not been helped with their mental illness? How many will take their lives today?
We know there are many others.
mental illness needs to be addressed but their is no link on a world scale to mental illness and mass shootings or violence for that matter..... mental illness is a problem everywhere but mental illness/mass shootings isn't a factor anywhere else but America. So there is no link. the only difference in America to everywhere else is the access and amount of guns... that is it. I have said this 10 times. it's simple.
people all over the world suffer from mental illness but AREN'T SHOOTING UP SCHOOLS.... next distraction....
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Not their problem... they can't feel it, a wall up to keep from feeling,
someone else's problem.
So much easier to live a life not feeling, those who only feel the very obvious pain and loss
when there is so much more to embrace.
This shooters world failed him, made him, who he was. Until we address that
there will be many more like Adam whether they kill others or only themselves.
Every life is valuable. Every life matters.
Thank you redrock you must play softball because you continually hit it out of the park. Did anyone see or hear the singing of Ana Marquez-Greene while her 8 year old brother played the piano next to her? Well to me she is a victim along with ALL the other children and teachers. The victim list continues for years to come those who survived just imagine one Ana's brother who now has to live on without his joyful younger sister. He's just one of many many others.
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Quit your whining you socialist freak!
I will take a little
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Just to help keep on track, I see that sometimes you get off track talking towards people who want to ban all guns. The majority of us here are simply talking better laws and tighter regulations.
You have two speculative arguments going here that have no basis. I hear a lot of people saying that focus on guns is silly because this killer would still kill no matter what. And in the next sentence you say he couldve been helped by affordable mental healthcare. We are not in the minds of these wackos. Under pure conjecture I could easily say that maybe the shooter wasnt a patient or motivated person and if guns were harder to get, maybe could opts for a knife, which wouldve resulted in a lot less death. Point is, dont blow off gun regulations just because you assume a person will carry out their sick thoughts. It doesnt always happen. And there's no way to determine how many people are thwarted by laws if it simply doesnt happen.
Yes, the proper help could have helped. Maybe.
and better gun laws could help too. Maybe.
I think they're equally as important, and if we make some strides with both, I think some lives could be saved. But yes, in the end, I think mental health needs to be more accessible.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Duty.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/k ... SCvzjBiv4N
not sure if it is here but his mother expressed great worry the week
before to his aunt on what he might do.
Its still unclear if he was ever properly diagnosed or treated for mental illness,
it was said his parents told others of the conditions.
I'm not even sure why mental illness has become the focus when I've yet to hear if the shooter had a mental illness. So far I've heard he may have had Asperger's, which is a neurodevelopmental disorder and wouldn't explain this violence. We do know that he used a gun though, so maybe we should start with what we know for sure, rather than what is simply speculation
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Good point. its our culture too...and the availability of guns. It really makes one wonder if its not just too late to do anything. :(
As far as gun regulations I am in favor of changes by state amendments and the people's choice
in each perspective state. By vote, by the people. Not by Federal bans.
My agenda is not gun laws it is gettin help, the proper accessable care for those suffering
with mental illness. They far outnumber any victims of random shootings,
we will ever talk about. One million people take their lives each year.
That is just one statistic of the number of people affected and hurt by the lack of
awareness and care.
I'm not sure I agree with with you on what gun banners want.
We will agree to disagree on that.
I don't think it's too late. I just wonder if there is the real will to change.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Wow, 300g's a year in alimony should've been used to help this kid.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
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Here is the problem with state laws... people travel all of the time across state lines. If I live in NY with strict gun laws, then I can just drive a half hour into PA, and buy whatever arsenal I want and shoot up a school in NY.
It needs to be federally enforced to have any effectiveness whatsoever.
And quit using the word "ban". The vast majority of people just want stronger background checks and training involved, and some sort of restrictions on types of guns (semi auto rifles, large capacity magazines, etc).
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in our country.Losing....
That is exactly the point... all the warning signs and no metal health diagnosis or treatment.
Good going America!
This disease coupled with focus, obsession with guns and hours of gun play daily in a bunker type room
along with withdrawal from human contact, human bonds and being ostrichsized in his town
might have played a little role in why he did what he did. Maybe just maybe :fp:
that is sarcasm. And we know from his brother and father he had other issues.
A blow out at the school the day before set if off. The kid was on the brink
but I wonder if anyone even noticed, let alone cared. When will they?
When will mental health professionals make the demands needed to provide care to people,
ball in their court.
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You are pushing an agenda based on no evidence and all speculation, you must see that.
People find a way don't they? I'm against Federal bans.
No, we will have to agree to disagree on what gunbanners want.
When I see the word ban in a Federal bill I know what they want its pretty clear.
What other diagnosis and treatment should he have had Pandora? It certainly seems like the family had the financial means to seek an assessment and get treatment. Not every killer is mentally ill. Shocking I know. It's also been reported that he may have had a personality disorder, which would make a lot of sense with regard to this kind of violence, but that hasn't been confirmed. People with personality disorders blame others for their problems and always feel victimized. They often seek revenge. This is their way of relating,but there is no pill that will cure it. The hyper focus on games and social isolation is often a part of autism spectrum disorders and not necessarily a cause for concern. Some people focus on games, others its sharks or history, etc. it's part of the neurological functioning. It's very possible the shooter had a personality disorder or another diagnosis in addition to the Asperger's, but this hasn't been confirmed You seem to have more information than I do about his symptoms. We do know he used guns though and we know how he got them
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
and what others have said... or is it... it would not matter to you if he was.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
Oh good. So we are clear on what the intent of the word 'ban' might mean: safer classrooms, malls, and movie theaters.
You're coming around finally! Well done.
And just remember... even if all those really awesome guns do become banned... you can still have shotguns and rifles! A shotgun would be a great home invasion deterrent... dontcha think? Everybody wins! Yay.
Not sure if this article was posted elsewhere so I apologize if it has.
http://www.courier-journal.com/comments/usatodayarticle/1776191
Interesting point about the root cause of gun violence in our country although other nations have high gun ownerhsip as well. A change in culture is definitely in order. Rather than focusing on the individual perhaps we should focus on increasing our collective mentality. That means a focus on community and fostering empathy for those within our community. Schools are on the right track in regards to demanding volunteer hours for their students but where some of these initiatives fail is that the focus is still on the individual. Usually students undertake these effortts in a quest to gain college admittance or schoarlships.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Debate over.
this should be the way it is in America also.... anyone care to tell me when the last shot was fired to kill someone in Japan? this should be the case worldwide but it won't ever happen in America. it's a sick culture.
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As said before CBG.. all speculation.
People having their 15 minutes of fame by giving 'insight' to the reporters. From the plumber and the gardener, the family member who has not seen the family for years, the school friend (who didn't really know him but just saw him in the corridors) to the 'undisclosed source, the 'insider source' and the plain anonymous source. All wanting a piece of the action.
I've read reports where it was said the killer was anywhere from an OK but odd person to a complete psycho. I've read reports from a babysitter who was told not to turn her back on him - one would automatically think because he would be up to no good but no, a couple of lines will say it's because he had a physical impairment which meant he could not feel pain and therefore could get hurt very easily. I've read reports his mother was devoted to him and not the nutter some would like to portray her as. I've read that he was certainly well looked after.
One thing most seem to agree on is that he had some form of Asperger's. Reports associate his Asperger's to being a psycho to murdering children.
An insult to those suffering of Asperger Syndrome.
We just don't know. And we probably never will.
Oh... and stop feeling Zoso's sensitivity in public.