Why own a gun?

DS1119

dignin wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

OK, if you really think arming yourself with a fatal weapon is the same as putting a lock on your front door...

It is hardly the same level of "fear". You do realize there are many different levels of different emotions, right? Putting a lock on the door to keep people out is one thing. Buying something that your purpose is to end someone's life is a different one.

SO now we need to assess levels of fear? We are supposed to tell Americans what they are allowed to legally possess to make them feels safe? Try telling that to this woman. For the record the guy who came into her home didn't have a gun.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/0 ... 83871.html

Still waiting for that story where granny defended herself against an intruder with her AR-15.

She probably has one now.

know1

Enkidu wrote:

I've posted this here before too. I got a shotgun after the LA riots - my husband was out of town a lot and I had a young child. I asked a cop friend and he said he would never, ever suggest getting a hand gun. But he said a shotgun would be okay if I learned how to use it, had a trigger lock, and kept it in a safe place. He said the sound of cocking a shotgun should be enough to deter someone from trying to break into my house.

I've never had to use it, thank God. It's hidden in the back of the closet with its lock in place, the key is hidden somewhere else, it's not loaded and the shells are hidden in yet another place. It would probably take me an hour to get it loaded and ready to shoot.

But yes, I have a gun.

And you would be willing to use it to kill someone?

dimitrispearljam

ofthegirl99 wrote:

The Police are fully aware of the reason.

Ill not ask the reason,seems personal to ask u and isnt my business
i respect the fact u want to protect your family..
but i was thinking this...what if at your sleep one night,u wake up suddenly from a noise
and scared that is the bad guys ,get the gun and start shooting...
but,,isnt the bad guys..but someone from your famiy..
as you understand ..there is no turning back from this...
my point is..in the fear and need of protect your family..you bought something that may cause alot of pain to your family as well.....
i wish ofcourse,u never need to use it..

know1

DS1119 wrote:

Kind of like people who abuse prescription meds...however that thread was locked. 112 people a day killed by that...but lets concentrate on guns. :?

I don't get the arguments i'm seeing from people comparing other types of deaths like overdoses, cigarette smoking, etc. to gun murder. It just makes no sense.

cincybearcat

DS1119 wrote:

Kind of like people who abuse prescription meds...however that thread was locked. 112 people a day killed by that...but lets concentrate on guns. :?

Don't be so obtuse or simple minded. How many of those 112 people killed each day are caused by someone else pushing that pill in their mouth? How many times is it because someone does this to dozens of people back-to-back-to-back, etc at the local school, mall, church, whatever?????

It's a ridiculous argument. But that's all your left with.

blackredyellow

redrock wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

And there are other common sense things. My dad locked up ammo, guns, and bolts/magazines in different places. I remember as a kid, I found the key to the guns once, but never the other two things.

So your dad was storing his firearms responsibly - as they should be if one really must have them in the house. Should he have wanted to use these for 'protection', should there have been someone coming up the stairs towards the bedrooms at night, would he have had time to get the keys to all three places, gone to all three of these places, retrieved guns, ammo, bolts/magazines, put everything together and 'protect'? All this without 'giving it away' to the intruder? Even if someone wasn't coming up the stairs yet but was just in the living room...

See... this is the bit I have problems with. Either guns are stored safely (as your dad did) and any pro-gun person here would say a RESPONSIBLE gun owner would do and most gun owners are responsible. Then this responsible gun owner seems to be a bit stuffed if surprised by an intruder. Or... the guns are not stored safely, they are stored loaded, ready to fire, easily accessible, which, as it has been said numerous times here, is what an IRRESPONSIBLE gun owner would do. But we are constantly reminded that these gun owners are RESPONSIBLE. So which is it?

Just curious.
Not wanting to cause

I think kids in the house /access of others dictates it a bit. If you have kids, or have a lot of people with access to your house, it is nearly impossible to have a gun accessible AND stored safely. The recent availability of things like biometric safes can help a bit though.

know1

redrock wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

And there are other common sense things. My dad locked up ammo, guns, and bolts/magazines in different places. I remember as a kid, I found the key to the guns once, but never the other two things.

So your dad was storing his firearms responsibly - as they should be if one really must have them in the house. Should he have wanted to use these for 'protection', should there have been someone coming up the stairs towards the bedrooms at night, would he have had time to get the keys to all three places, gone to all three of these places, retrieved guns, ammo, bolts/magazines, put everything together and 'protect'? All this without 'giving it away' to the intruder? Even if someone wasn't coming up the stairs yet but was just in the living room...

See... this is the bit I have problems with. Either guns are stored safely (as your dad did) and any pro-gun person here would say a RESPONSIBLE gun owner would do and most gun owners are responsible. Then this responsible gun owner seems to be a bit stuffed if surprised by an intruder. Or... the guns are not stored safely, they are stored loaded, ready to fire, easily accessible, which, as it has been said numerous times here, is what an IRRESPONSIBLE gun owner would do. But we are constantly reminded that these gun owners are RESPONSIBLE. So which is it?

Just curious.
Not wanting to cause

Great point.

redrock

blackredyellow wrote:

....t is nearly impossible to have a gun accessible AND stored safely. ...

Exactly. Sort of debunks the 'protection' theory and responsible gun owners.

DS1119

cincybearcat wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Kind of like people who abuse prescription meds...however that thread was locked. 112 people a day killed by that...but lets concentrate on guns. :?

Don't be so obtuse or simple minded. How many of those 112 people killed each day are caused by someone else pushing that pill in their mouth? How many times is it because someone does this to dozens of people back-to-back-to-back, etc at the local school, mall, church, whatever?????

It's a ridiculous argument. But that's all your left with.

Doesn't matter. If peole are going to use reasons such as "accidental death" and "suicidal people" as reasons to limit guns this is a 100% valid point.

DS1119

redrock wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

....t is nearly impossible to have a gun accessible AND stored safely. ...

Exactly. Sort of debunks the 'protection' theory and responsible gun owners.

Again, absolutely 100% false.

JonnyPistachio

cincybearcat wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Kind of like people who abuse prescription meds...however that thread was locked. 112 people a day killed by that...but lets concentrate on guns. :?

Don't be so obtuse or simple minded. How many of those 112 people killed each day are caused by someone else pushing that pill in their mouth? How many times is it because someone does this to dozens of people back-to-back-to-back, etc at the local school, mall, church, whatever?????

It's a ridiculous argument. But that's all your left with.

aawe man you're asking for it...you're going to get a hundred more analogies about smoking, slipping on banana peels, bullfighting etc etc, to try to make the mass shooting in CT look insubstantial in the "bigger picture."

elvistheking44

dimitrispearljam wrote:

ofthegirl99 wrote:

The Police are fully aware of the reason.

Ill not ask the reason,seems personal to ask u and isnt my business
i respect the fact u want to protect your family..
but i was thinking this...what if at your sleep one night,u wake up suddenly from a noise
and scared that is the bad guys ,get the gun and start shooting...
but,,isnt the bad guys..but someone from your famiy..
as you understand ..there is no turning back from this...
my point is..in the fear and need of protect your family..you bought something that may cause alot of pain to your family as well.....
i wish ofcourse,u never need to use it..

It is a situation I hope to never encounter. I have been around guns my whole life, raised with them in my house. I can handle a weapon of any size. I am very aware the dangers of a weapon. Believe me, its not the situation I want in my life. Tell me, what else am I supposed to do?.....

Cosmo

As long as everyone stands their ground on the issue... nothing is going to change.
If nothing is going to change... then, we... as Americans, will simply have to reach the conclusion that the deaths of people due to gunfire is just part of what defines us as 'American'. It becomes a part of who we are and we have to face the reality that we accept these types of losses as payment for our freedoms.

JimmyV

know1 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Kind of like people who abuse prescription meds...however that thread was locked. 112 people a day killed by that...but lets concentrate on guns. :?

I don't get the arguments i'm seeing from people comparing other types of deaths like overdoses, cigarette smoking, etc. to gun murder. It just makes no sense.

It really doesn't. In many cases I do not believe it is even intended too. Just more noise to distract from the issue at hand.

Slap upside the head

Cosmo wrote:

As long as everyone stands their ground on the issue... nothing is going to change.
If nothing is going to change... then, we... as Americans, will simply have to reach the conclusion that the deaths of people due to gunfire is just part of what defines us as 'American'. It becomes a part of who we are and we have to face the reality that we accept these types of losses as payment for our freedoms.

:clap:

JonnyPistachio

This seems to be an honest thread and some folks who I didnt imagine would own a gun surprised me. Thats when it dawned on me that some guns probably have a pretty long shelf life and get passed down from generation to generation.

How many received their guns are they were passed from family members?

DS1119

JonnyPistachio wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Kind of like people who abuse prescription meds...however that thread was locked. 112 people a day killed by that...but lets concentrate on guns. :?

Don't be so obtuse or simple minded. How many of those 112 people killed each day are caused by someone else pushing that pill in their mouth? How many times is it because someone does this to dozens of people back-to-back-to-back, etc at the local school, mall, church, whatever?????

It's a ridiculous argument. But that's all your left with.

aawe man you're asking for it...you're going to get a hundred more analogies about smoking, slipping on banana peels, bullfighting etc etc, to try to make the mass shooting in CT look insubstantial in the "bigger picture."

I love it when gun fearing liberals dismiss valid points as ridiculous. What that basically means is it's "I have no answer for that".

JimmyV

I love it when everyone who disagrees with the dogma of the right is branded a "gun fearing liberal".

JonnyPistachio

DS1119 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Don't be so obtuse or simple minded. How many of those 112 people killed each day are caused by someone else pushing that pill in their mouth? How many times is it because someone does this to dozens of people back-to-back-to-back, etc at the local school, mall, church, whatever?????

It's a ridiculous argument. But that's all your left with.

aawe man you're asking for it...you're going to get a hundred more analogies about smoking, slipping on banana peels, bullfighting etc etc, to try to make the mass shooting in CT look insubstantial in the "bigger picture."

I love it when gun fearing liberals dismiss valid points as ridiculous. What that basically means is it's "I have no answer for that".

Problem is, its not a valid point. Its a far off analogy. One of great concern, but it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Dont get me wrong, I have a major problem with prescription pills, more so than gun control, but I know that argument has its place.

DS1119

JimmyV wrote:

I love it when everyone who disagrees with the dogma of the right is branded a "gun fearing liberal".

So do I. Liberals instead of examining themselves and worrying about themselves always feel they need to change society and others. It must be this person's fault....it must be the guns that are the issue....it's not me, it's them.