hedonist
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I won't get into the analogies and comparisons being batted about.
So...while I too wonder about having a gun to protect oneself (I'm not a gun-owner so I don't know, but even that's irrelevant) and how safe having it at the ready is, I also haven't walked in the shoes of people such as ofthegirl.
Would I take the life of another who was threatening my life or the life of a loved one? Not having been in such a situation, I think - I hope - I would...I hope I'd have the balls, and the wherewithal to think clearly, not panic, and do what I could with whatever means I had.
I'm fortunate to live in a generally safe area, in a generally safe building. I just don't feel I can dictate what others should be able to possess (and I'm gonna tack on "within reason" here, since certain weaponry doesn't strike me as necessary...and yes, I get the hypocrisy).
Outside of hunting and target shooting for recreation or sport, what is the purpose of owning a gun?
I know the answer will be for "protection", but in my mind that is the same thing as saying "to potentially murder someone".
I am not necessarily in favor of banning guns, but the people who are most enthusiastic about their guns (bragging about them, etc.) disturb me a lot more than those who are most enthusiastic about banning them.
In a way, I feel sorry for people who let fear so dominate their lives that they put their faith and take comfort in a gun to murder someone who threatens them.
...I don't own a gun or carry but sure hope if I am in danger a good guy will be there
who is not afraid to step up and save a life, his own, mine or any of ours....
So,not being the registered owner but having a gun in one's home for 'protection' is absolutely useless if one's partner/husband is not there to 'protect' with it?
Hmmmm..... OK.
See the thing with me is I respect peoples rights. It doesn't mean I would make use of the
right myself but because I don't does not mean others should not.
What we are seeing here is some people who have had guns banned in their countries.
Countries nothing like America. That's ok for you guys, you like this socialist type
environment. This is what you wanted, you think it is a good thing.
A government that is big taking care of you.
I liken it to people who know God. That is a very good thing and they want to share it.
The gun banned people want to share their good thing, understandably....
cool beans.
But as we know God is not for everyone, banned guns are not for everyone.
I'm sure you can understand that. In our country owning guns is a right
that we want to keep, so far. It is a choice, we like choices. Abortion is a choice,
people have spoken they want that choice too.
I do not have access to a gun.
In the future I may but so far I am not trained nor permitted and really do not feel the need
as my hubby is with me. If my hubby passed I may want a gun. Or maybe a Great Dane
the bed would be lonely without him. Yes a great Dane to keep Miss Lucy Lew
and Miss Maddie Lew Who company too.
I'm not a gun person but you know this...
you also know I don't have to be to defend the right to choose to own one.
yeah i think if everyone who owned a car owned a gun and shot is as often as they drove that there would be more gun accidents. i can compare gun deaths to car deaths because they break down the same. both car deaths and gun deaths could both be prevented if neither of them existed.
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No. You are trying to slip out of something by trying to negate both.
You cannot compare two things that are different, even though they share similar qualities... in this case, deaths. That's what that old saying about comapeing apples to oganges... even though both share the similar aspect of both being treeborne fruits.
In order to make a fair, therefore, true comparison... you have to make sure that both sides are equal. Increase the gun ownership and gun usage... or decrease the number of total cars to equal the same as guns and reduce the operational hours of the cars to the operational usage of the guns.
Example, let's say I am an avid gun shooter. I have one hand gun.
I also am a working Joe who drives to work each day... I own one car.
Now, If I drive to work everyday except weekends and only go shooting about 7 weekends a year... the numbers do no add up:
Per year, 5 days per week times 52 weeks per year is 260 days of driving my car vs. 14 days of shooting the gun. 260 = 14 is not a true statement.
Make them equal... 260 days of driving and 260 days of shooting. OR... only 14 days of driving and 14 days of shooting.
Add in the varibles, such as the driving occurs on sometimes busy streets with lots of other commuters. Place a gun in every car and have the driver/gun owner shooting his gun for equal amounts of his daily car usage.... or have me only drive 14 days per year... on the secluded area where I go target practice, away from other cars and commuters.
That, is a fair comparison that will lead you towards a more truthful outcome.
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When someone breaks in your house, go ahead and make sure you ask if they plan to rape, murder or just rob your family. You certainly won't need that gun when they are just gonna rob you.
I actually feel sorry for people who live with this kind of fear.
You've obviously never been assaulted or mugged......consider yourself lucky.
I've been mugged and have awakened to burglars carrying my electronics out of my house. I still choose not to live in fear.
I'm glad the OP posted this question. I am genuinely curious about why people own guns.
Seems there are at least a few people who have them as protection against intruders. Why a gun rather than an obnoxious alarm system with all of the bells, lights and whistles? I would rather spook an intruder than wait for it to become a confrontation.
For those who have guns for protection, do you carry it with you everywhere you're legally allowed?
My mom has a gun for protection. She started carrying one when she was traveling alone with me and my younger sister. She figured that three females out in the middle of nowhere could be at risk. The one time it seemed like we actually were, she had left the gun in the hotel room. We found a kind stranger who helped us instead.
I have a couple of female friends who have posted pics of themselves on facebook posing with their guns. That's all sex and violence, isn't it? A grown-ups toy.
I had a shotgun in my house when I was living with my former. He aimed it once at some college kids who were harassing our cats through a window. It was an effective deterrent. But, was it necessary?
What we are seeing here is some people who have had guns banned in their countries.
Such ignorance and lack of information. I know of no country from which people are posting on this thread that have stripped their citizens/residents their 'right' to possess firearms (though I do not know about China, where Byrnzie lives - I think there it's very strict).
See the thing with me is I respect peoples rights.
And I respect the right of these children - the right they had to continue the life they were given. The right to grow up, to be happy kids, to wake up Christmas morning all excited. I respect the right of their parents to kiss and cuddle their children.
I respect the life of the teachers, life they had to give up to protect the children. I respect the right of their children to have their mother with them and the right of their parents to still have their children, albeit grown up.
Rights THEY lost because some think the right to own an arsenal if you wish is more important.
I respect people's rights. If one value's one's right to own a lethal 'toy' over the right of any of the 27 people (and many others who have died at the hand of one establishing his right to bear arms) to continue to live a fulfilling life, I can only look at this with sadness.
What we are seeing here is some people who have had guns banned in their countries.
Countries nothing like America. That's ok for you guys, you like this socialist type
environment. This is what you wanted, you think it is a good thing.
A government that is big taking care of you.
If a "socialist type environment" keeps me away from people waving their guns around in the street, then yes, I think this "socialist type environment" is my thing...
Socialist type environment... :fp:
Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...
See the thing with me is I respect peoples rights.
And I respect the right of these children - the right they had to continue the life they were given. The right to grow up, to be happy kids, to wake up Christmas morning all excited. I respect the right of their parents to kiss and cuddle their children.
I respect the life of the teachers, life they had to give up to protect the children. I respect the right of their children to have their mother with them and the right of their parents to still have their children, albeit grown up.
Rights THEY lost because some think the right to own an arsenal if you wish is more important.
I respect people's rights. If one value's one's right to own a lethal 'toy' over the right of any of the 27 people (and many others who have died at the hand of one establishing his right to bear arms) to continue to live a fulfilling life, I can only look at this with sadness.
Sadness and so much sorrow for those who have lost their lives in this senseless massacre. Where is the respect for their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Those rights were snatched away in less than 10 minutes and hundreds of bullets. Innocent 5 year olds were gunned down like animals, while their classmates witnessed unspeakable horror. As a nation, we need to do better. Now is the time to seek responsible gun laws that allow people to defend themselves but don't protect civilians who choose to stockpile weapons whose sole purpose is to massacre. The National Rifle Assn has contributed millions to the campaigns of our elected officials. Amounts each official accepted are listed at opensecrets.org. Check out who from your state has accepted these contributions and vote responsibly.
I wish I was a radio song, the one that you turned up
what is a "socialist type environment"?
i thought we all live in capitalism type environment...atleast countries we belong at Nato for exable..
if people at this type carry lolipops, than guns,,i prefer it for sure..
i love candies..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
See the thing with me is I respect peoples rights.
And I respect the right of these children - the right they had to continue the life they were given. The right to grow up, to be happy kids, to wake up Christmas morning all excited. I respect the right of their parents to kiss and cuddle their children.
I respect the life of the teachers, life they had to give up to protect the children. I respect the right of their children to have their mother with them and the right of their parents to still have their children, albeit grown up.
Rights THEY lost because some think the right to own an arsenal if you wish is more important.
I respect people's rights. If one value's one's right to own a lethal 'toy' over the right of any of the 27 people (and many others who have died at the hand of one establishing his right to bear arms) to continue to live a fulfilling life, I can only look at this with sadness.
Where does it end? Whose "rights" are more important? Clearly, the Constitution and every founding document we have guarantee the right to life as most valuable. Why does the right to own a gun trump my right to live?
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
See the thing with me is I respect peoples rights.
And I respect the right of these children - the right they had to continue the life they were given. The right to grow up, to be happy kids, to wake up Christmas morning all excited. I respect the right of their parents to kiss and cuddle their children.
I respect the life of the teachers, life they had to give up to protect the children. I respect the right of their children to have their mother with them and the right of their parents to still have their children, albeit grown up.
Rights THEY lost because some think the right to own an arsenal if you wish is more important.
I respect people's rights. If one value's one's right to own a lethal 'toy' over the right of any of the 27 people (and many others who have died at the hand of one establishing his right to bear arms) to continue to live a fulfilling life, I can only look at this with sadness.
you just said thoughts of alot of us here...and in better english than mine ofcourse...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
What we are seeing here is some people who have had guns banned in their countries.
Countries nothing like America. That's ok for you guys, you like this socialist type
environment. This is what you wanted, you think it is a good thing.
A government that is big taking care of you.
If a "socialist type environment" keeps me away from people waving their guns around in the street, then yes, I think this "socialist type environment" is my thing...
See the thing with me is I respect peoples rights.
And I respect the right of these children - the right they had to continue the life they were given. The right to grow up, to be happy kids, to wake up Christmas morning all excited. I respect the right of their parents to kiss and cuddle their children.
I respect the life of the teachers, life they had to give up to protect the children. I respect the right of their children to have their mother with them and the right of their parents to still have their children, albeit grown up.
Rights THEY lost because some think the right to own an arsenal if you wish is more important.
I respect people's rights. If one value's one's right to own a lethal 'toy' over the right of any of the 27 people (and many others who have died at the hand of one establishing his right to bear arms) to continue to live a fulfilling life, I can only look at this with sadness.
really well said redrock.
And as for the "socialist type environment" - maybe if we all started to realize that it is all of our job to take care of each other, we wouldn't be shooting the shit out of each other. It seems that when guns intersect with an environment in which the rights of the individual trump the good of the collective, we get disaster
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
For those that would be interested: Sweden is constitutional monarchy with a Conservative prime minister, the main party being a centre right one. Sweden is not a socialist country - it is solidly based on market economy.
See the thing with me is I respect peoples rights.
And I respect the right of these children - the right they had to continue the life they were given. The right to grow up, to be happy kids, to wake up Christmas morning all excited. I respect the right of their parents to kiss and cuddle their children.
I respect the life of the teachers, life they had to give up to protect the children. I respect the right of their children to have their mother with them and the right of their parents to still have their children, albeit grown up.
Rights THEY lost because some think the right to own an arsenal if you wish is more important.
I respect people's rights. If one value's one's right to own a lethal 'toy' over the right of any of the 27 people (and many others who have died at the hand of one establishing his right to bear arms) to continue to live a fulfilling life, I can only look at this with sadness.
If you and others respect the rights then broaden your agenda
and help make mental health help readily available affordable to people who need it.
Help with awareness. That is the solutionbanning guns does not mean
this killer would not kill. The proper help could have.
Go to one of the sources of the problem and in doing so aid countless of others.
Not only helping those who are suffering as this shooter but
the suicides ... one million world wide each year. Family abuse, substance abuse,
anxiety work related, on and on.
By making mental health our number one priority we save many lives
so many lives that have rights. The right to pursue
a life of happiness and fulfillment without mental illness.
The problem is people just don't care about each other. Not enough
to make the real change needed. It is so much easier to fool themselves
that banning guns make bad things go away. It will not, bad will just find a different avenue
of destruction. We have to go to where bad starts and stop it there.
That is not with gun ownership.
For those that would be interested: Sweden is constitutional monarchy with a Conservative prime minister, the main party being a centre right one. Sweden is not a socialist country - it is solidly based on market economy.
If you and others respect the rights then broaden your agenda
Oh Pandora... when will you stop regurgitating and actually read what others say. Agendas have been broadened. All have accepted that other 'avenues' need to be explored and changed.
Maybe you would like to broaden your agenda and realise that gun ownership is part of the problem - and a big part of it. Whether you like it or not.
For those that would be interested: Sweden is constitutional monarchy with a Conservative prime minister, the main party being a centre right one. Sweden is not a socialist country - it is solidly based on market economy.
are guns legal there?
Yes
Edit: Before you continue with your list, just google. Easy. You will also see that some countries have very strict gun laws, some medium, some lax.
If you and others respect the rights then broaden your agenda
Oh Pandora... when will you stop regurgitating and actually read what others say. Agendas have been broadened. All have accepted that other 'avenues' need to be explored and changed.
Maybe you would like to broaden your agenda and realise that gun ownership is part of the problem - and a big part of it. Whether you like it or not.
We have to go to where bad starts and stop it there.
That is not with gun ownership.
Umm.... yes it is. All part of the problem. Again, whether you like it or not.
I can not agree with gun banning .
As far as gun regulation. This should be done by state as it is now. Let the people speak
and choose for their state. So I am not against gun regulation... I want it on a state level,
the Federal government need not be involved. If an amendment came up to support
tighter regulation in my state, I would study it over and vote.
We know the agenda of the gun banners here. They have made it pretty clear.
I guess one needs a good reason to own a firearm in the UK?
That the police decide this?
"Under Home Office guidelines, firearms licences are only issued
if a person has legitimate sporting, collecting, or work-related reasons for ownership."
Do people lie? Do people own guns illegally? I was reading there was a stun gun
problem recently there ... stun gun :? I would not want my government telling me
I could not own a stun gun for protection.
I have also read it is very easy to get a banned handgun on the streets in London.
I would imagine that would be true here also... whether guns are banned or not.
But the law abiding would think twice, the criminal not so much.
For those that would be interested: Sweden is constitutional monarchy with a Conservative prime minister, the main party being a centre right one. Sweden is not a socialist country - it is solidly based on market economy.
are guns legal there?
Yes
Edit: Before you continue with your list, just google. Easy. You will also see that some countries have very strict gun laws, some medium, some lax.
**sighs**.. Do people lie? I don't know Pandora, do they? You said you never lied and you never will... so could we extrapolate from there?
And I'm glad you're finding something fun that you can smile at.
Anyway... your posts seem to suggest you can read words but not understand context. Getting really tiresome.
I'm done with these kind of discussions on these threads about this tragic event. Done with people who do not read and keep on regurgitating the same thing. Done with people who think the right to own willy nilly lethal firearms supersedes the right to life of children (and adults). Done with people who deflect with asinine 'arguments'. Done with people who do not want to see reality. Done with people who keep on portraying killers as victims. The victims are the ones that were massacred - some little ones literally riddled with bullets.
The little ones and their teachers are being laid to rest. Let's learn lessons from that. I know some can, if not all.
How about we all learn a lesson from this? Several people on this board and in these threads have said over and over that WE are the problem. Guns make it easier, lack of mental health care makes it easier, lack of responsibility makes it easier to kill, maim. The problem is how we are raising our children. Last week, at my school (a good school, one that everyone here would be willing to send their children to) a group of boys beat the shit out of a girl while across the same parking lot a group of girls beat the shit out of another girl. Ripping hair out, dragging these girls across the parking lot, beating their head against the pavement. These are our children, these are good kids. Want to know why they did it? Over a game. We won, you lost, now we beat you within an inch of your life because they were chanting fat girls. This is not ghetto high this is one of the best schools in the state. These are kids I had in class, these are kids that are good kids. This is not the type of fights we had when I was in school. These are scary as shit, truly violent, terrifying fights. Not about fighting over boys/girls but fighting because they lack empathy, they lack insight, they are only able to see what is in their best interest. How do you think they got this way? Guns? TV? Lack of parenting? A society that thinks the rights of one is more important than they rights of all? Look in the mirror this is our failure. Our failure as parents, our failure as friends, our failure as teachers, preachers, politicians, businessmen, community members. And it's not going to stop there until we make changes in ourselves.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
Our failure as parents, our failure as friends, our failure as teachers, preachers, politicians, businessmen, community members. And it's not going to stop there until we make changes in ourselves.
'WE' are society. We 'dictate' (to a point) to our politicians, businessmen, those with influence, etc. what we want. I wouldn't say we have completely failed yet. But it definitely time for us to take a hard look at ourselves, reassess what is important and where we want to go. It's not easy and it's a long journey. But in the meantime, there are easier things that can be achieved to help clear the path and avoid too much stumbling.
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So...while I too wonder about having a gun to protect oneself (I'm not a gun-owner so I don't know, but even that's irrelevant) and how safe having it at the ready is, I also haven't walked in the shoes of people such as ofthegirl.
Would I take the life of another who was threatening my life or the life of a loved one? Not having been in such a situation, I think - I hope - I would...I hope I'd have the balls, and the wherewithal to think clearly, not panic, and do what I could with whatever means I had.
I'm fortunate to live in a generally safe area, in a generally safe building. I just don't feel I can dictate what others should be able to possess (and I'm gonna tack on "within reason" here, since certain weaponry doesn't strike me as necessary...and yes, I get the hypocrisy).
right myself but because I don't does not mean others should not.
What we are seeing here is some people who have had guns banned in their countries.
Countries nothing like America. That's ok for you guys, you like this socialist type
environment. This is what you wanted, you think it is a good thing.
A government that is big taking care of you.
I liken it to people who know God. That is a very good thing and they want to share it.
The gun banned people want to share their good thing, understandably....
cool beans.
But as we know God is not for everyone, banned guns are not for everyone.
I'm sure you can understand that. In our country owning guns is a right
that we want to keep, so far. It is a choice, we like choices. Abortion is a choice,
people have spoken they want that choice too.
I do not have access to a gun.
In the future I may but so far I am not trained nor permitted and really do not feel the need
as my hubby is with me. If my hubby passed I may want a gun. Or maybe a Great Dane
the bed would be lonely without him. Yes a great Dane to keep Miss Lucy Lew
and Miss Maddie Lew Who company too.
I'm not a gun person but you know this...
you also know I don't have to be to defend the right to choose to own one.
No. You are trying to slip out of something by trying to negate both.
You cannot compare two things that are different, even though they share similar qualities... in this case, deaths. That's what that old saying about comapeing apples to oganges... even though both share the similar aspect of both being treeborne fruits.
In order to make a fair, therefore, true comparison... you have to make sure that both sides are equal. Increase the gun ownership and gun usage... or decrease the number of total cars to equal the same as guns and reduce the operational hours of the cars to the operational usage of the guns.
Example, let's say I am an avid gun shooter. I have one hand gun.
I also am a working Joe who drives to work each day... I own one car.
Now, If I drive to work everyday except weekends and only go shooting about 7 weekends a year... the numbers do no add up:
Per year, 5 days per week times 52 weeks per year is 260 days of driving my car vs. 14 days of shooting the gun. 260 = 14 is not a true statement.
Make them equal... 260 days of driving and 260 days of shooting. OR... only 14 days of driving and 14 days of shooting.
Add in the varibles, such as the driving occurs on sometimes busy streets with lots of other commuters. Place a gun in every car and have the driver/gun owner shooting his gun for equal amounts of his daily car usage.... or have me only drive 14 days per year... on the secluded area where I go target practice, away from other cars and commuters.
That, is a fair comparison that will lead you towards a more truthful outcome.
Hail, Hail!!!
I saw Him on a green, grassy hillside... passing out Mac-10s with rainbows painted on them... and extra clips tack welded to flip and click.
Hail, Hail!!!
Seems there are at least a few people who have them as protection against intruders. Why a gun rather than an obnoxious alarm system with all of the bells, lights and whistles? I would rather spook an intruder than wait for it to become a confrontation.
For those who have guns for protection, do you carry it with you everywhere you're legally allowed?
My mom has a gun for protection. She started carrying one when she was traveling alone with me and my younger sister. She figured that three females out in the middle of nowhere could be at risk. The one time it seemed like we actually were, she had left the gun in the hotel room. We found a kind stranger who helped us instead.
I have a couple of female friends who have posted pics of themselves on facebook posing with their guns. That's all sex and violence, isn't it? A grown-ups toy.
I had a shotgun in my house when I was living with my former. He aimed it once at some college kids who were harassing our cats through a window. It was an effective deterrent. But, was it necessary?
:shock:
I respect the life of the teachers, life they had to give up to protect the children. I respect the right of their children to have their mother with them and the right of their parents to still have their children, albeit grown up.
Rights THEY lost because some think the right to own an arsenal if you wish is more important.
I respect people's rights. If one value's one's right to own a lethal 'toy' over the right of any of the 27 people (and many others who have died at the hand of one establishing his right to bear arms) to continue to live a fulfilling life, I can only look at this with sadness.
If a "socialist type environment" keeps me away from people waving their guns around in the street, then yes, I think this "socialist type environment" is my thing...
Socialist type environment... :fp:
Sadness and so much sorrow for those who have lost their lives in this senseless massacre. Where is the respect for their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Those rights were snatched away in less than 10 minutes and hundreds of bullets. Innocent 5 year olds were gunned down like animals, while their classmates witnessed unspeakable horror. As a nation, we need to do better. Now is the time to seek responsible gun laws that allow people to defend themselves but don't protect civilians who choose to stockpile weapons whose sole purpose is to massacre. The National Rifle Assn has contributed millions to the campaigns of our elected officials. Amounts each official accepted are listed at opensecrets.org. Check out who from your state has accepted these contributions and vote responsibly.
i thought we all live in capitalism type environment...atleast countries we belong at Nato for exable..
if people at this type carry lolipops, than guns,,i prefer it for sure..
i love candies..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
And as for the "socialist type environment" - maybe if we all started to realize that it is all of our job to take care of each other, we wouldn't be shooting the shit out of each other. It seems that when guns intersect with an environment in which the rights of the individual trump the good of the collective, we get disaster
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
and help make mental health help readily available affordable to people who need it.
Help with awareness. That is the solution banning guns does not mean
this killer would not kill. The proper help could have.
Go to one of the sources of the problem and in doing so aid countless of others.
Not only helping those who are suffering as this shooter but
the suicides ... one million world wide each year. Family abuse, substance abuse,
anxiety work related, on and on.
By making mental health our number one priority we save many lives
so many lives that have rights. The right to pursue
a life of happiness and fulfillment without mental illness.
The problem is people just don't care about each other. Not enough
to make the real change needed. It is so much easier to fool themselves
that banning guns make bad things go away. It will not, bad will just find a different avenue
of destruction. We have to go to where bad starts and stop it there.
That is not with gun ownership.
Oh Pandora... when will you stop regurgitating and actually read what others say. Agendas have been broadened. All have accepted that other 'avenues' need to be explored and changed.
Maybe you would like to broaden your agenda and realise that gun ownership is part of the problem - and a big part of it. Whether you like it or not.
Umm.... yes it is. All part of the problem. Again, whether you like it or not.
No
Yes
Edit: Before you continue with your list, just google. Easy. You will also see that some countries have very strict gun laws, some medium, some lax.
As far as gun regulation. This should be done by state as it is now. Let the people speak
and choose for their state. So I am not against gun regulation... I want it on a state level,
the Federal government need not be involved. If an amendment came up to support
tighter regulation in my state, I would study it over and vote.
We know the agenda of the gun banners here. They have made it pretty clear.
I guess one needs a good reason to own a firearm in the UK?
That the police decide this?
"Under Home Office guidelines, firearms licences are only issued
if a person has legitimate sporting, collecting, or work-related reasons for ownership."
Do people lie? Do people own guns illegally? I was reading there was a stun gun
problem recently there ... stun gun :? I would not want my government telling me
I could not own a stun gun for protection.
I have also read it is very easy to get a banned handgun on the streets in London.
I would imagine that would be true here also... whether guns are banned or not.
But the law abiding would think twice, the criminal not so much.
And I'm glad you're finding something fun that you can smile at.
Anyway... your posts seem to suggest you can read words but not understand context. Getting really tiresome.
I'm done with these kind of discussions on these threads about this tragic event. Done with people who do not read and keep on regurgitating the same thing. Done with people who think the right to own willy nilly lethal firearms supersedes the right to life of children (and adults). Done with people who deflect with asinine 'arguments'. Done with people who do not want to see reality. Done with people who keep on portraying killers as victims. The victims are the ones that were massacred - some little ones literally riddled with bullets.
The little ones and their teachers are being laid to rest. Let's learn lessons from that. I know some can, if not all.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
the fact that i'm talking to a wall,
or that the wall keeps answering me..."
'WE' are society. We 'dictate' (to a point) to our politicians, businessmen, those with influence, etc. what we want. I wouldn't say we have completely failed yet. But it definitely time for us to take a hard look at ourselves, reassess what is important and where we want to go. It's not easy and it's a long journey. But in the meantime, there are easier things that can be achieved to help clear the path and avoid too much stumbling.