Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

All this is pure speculation - remember... inaccurate news reports? Sensationalising? Hey.. he was a 'goth' into strange practices too.. let's not forget that.

I don't draw conclusions or judgement on 'Goth'... do you :?

His brother who grew up with him, his father also have said he was obsessed with games.

How about you address this as though it were fact ...
and really approach the life he was living.

'Goth' is a very silly word. People and the media use it to categorise. It means nothing. The media sure liked to use it for this killer though (amongst other speculative descriptions)

Why would I want to address speculation as fact? What an asinine suggestion.

You could be imaginative ...
I didn't hear one word about goth, not one.
The photos didn't lend to that either.

Fact is he was obsessed with gaming this reported to the police in his profile
by family members.

dimitrispearljam

Cosmo wrote:

Do we really want America to be a place where we HAVE to have guns everywhere? Do we want our kindergartens to be patrolled by armed guards and have our 5 year olds pass through metal detectors?
Is this the America we want?

this are the hot questions that need to be answered....

pandora

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

I get it.. The individual right above all else including safety of children..

Again, how is mental health an issue if mental health exists everywhere but only mentally ill in America are shooting up school? I'm repeating myself.. if it was linked to mass murders the mentally ill would be doing the same in London and Berlin a the same rate as here.

I wish you would a bit...

Yes the individual right to protect one's own life, family and property.
My neighbor's children's lives were saved by a gun.

Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.
I have seen very different qualities in our employees who have been born
and raised outside the US.
Common sense yes? I'm sure you see the same. America is very unique. So much so
you say you might want to take your family planning home.

redrock

pandora wrote:

Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.

Have you ever lived in London or Berlin? Just sayin'....

dimitrispearljam

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.

Have you ever lived in London or Berlin? Just sayin'....

im very intresting to read where the American culture was found...

JimmyV

dimitrispearljam wrote:

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.

Have you ever lived in London or Berlin? Just sayin'....

im very intresting to read where the American culture was found...

Aren't we all fans of an American rock band that has played numerous sold out shows in both of those cities? Wait...aren't we on their website right now, too?

dimitrispearljam

JimmyV wrote:

Aren't we all fans of an American rock band that has played numerous sold out shows in both of those cities? Wait...aren't we on their website right now, too?

dont get me started that they need to play at South Europe!!!

btw,Mike has European roots

JimmyV

dimitrispearljam wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Aren't we all fans of an American rock band that has played numerous sold out shows in both of those cities? Wait...aren't we on their website right now, too?

dont get me started that they need to play at South Europe!!!

btw,Mike has European roots

Boston first, D, Boston first!

gabers

MotoDC wrote:

gabers wrote:

To those that say the solution is more guns, let me first say YOU are the reason why all people in posession of semi-automatic weapons needs a mental capacity test. At the very least. I think responsible people should be allowed to own guns for hunting and home protection. But semi-automatic rifles? The only real difference between what that kid used to kill the other kids and what our soldiers carry is a flip of the swith to 3-round burst or full auto. That is the problem. But with the weapon he used, which was bought legally in this country, he can fire off rounds as fast as he could pull the trigger. I was in the Army. We were taught to fire in sem-auto mode for more accuracy. That's why the M-16's were changed from full auto to 3-round burst, to improve accuracy. Someone with proper training can wipe out a large room of people in short order, as we've all seen. Civilians should NOT have access to assault weapons. It's that simple. Someone please give me a valid reason why they should.

Civilian assualt rifles don't have the fire select switches you refer to. Further, assualt rifles weren't used in this horrific event, unless reports have changed since I last checked (lots of false initial reports in this story). Finally, if burst and single-fire is more accurate (which, of course, it is), what's the harm in having full auto available? Won't the crazies just miss more?

I don't actually think full auto weapons should be available to civilians, fwiw; just wondering about the inconsistency in the "here's how we do it in the army" argument.

He used a Bushmaster .223. They showed a picture of it. It's basically an AR-15, or semi-automatic version of an M-16. My point was that no matter the rate of fire selection, you will kill a lot of people with this type of weapon, with the right training. And when your targets are mostly unarmed children, the outcome is predictable. You don't need burst or full auto to be effective.

redrock

dimitrispearljam wrote:

btw,Mike has European roots

Don't they all? Except maybe Boom....

aerial

dignin wrote:

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?

Okay You got me.....I cracked up when I read this....lol

dignin

aerial wrote:

dignin wrote:

aerial wrote:

As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?

Okay You got me.....I cracked up when I read this....lol

Hey, If it wasn't for spell check I would be laughed off this site.

keeponrockin

So the solution to someone killing a bunch of children with guns, is more guns?

Cosmo

The thing that never fails in the aftermath of national tragadies, such as this...
the outpouring of complete and utter BULLSHIT by people who believe they have some sort of clairvoyance into the reasons why these events took place. Pure, unadulterated speculative bullshit from people who get their information from television and gossip... and worst of all... their own warped view of the world as only seen through their eyes, fueled by a sense of infallibility.
...
The truth is... we may NEVER know. The people that can answer our questions truthfully... are DEAD. The shooter... DEAD. The mother... DEAD. The best we can do is allow the police to do what police do... investigate by locating tiny fragments of fact and trying to put them together as they really, truely were. Even after all of that... we STILL probably won't know the truth.
All we know is that 20 children and 6 adults are dead... and so if the person who committed these horrible acts of violence. The truth to what caused him to do this in one the other side of the death portal. Good luck getting it.

g under p

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

I get it.. The individual right above all else including safety of children..

Again, how is mental health an issue if mental health exists everywhere but only mentally ill in America are shooting up school? I'm repeating myself.. if it was linked to mass murders the mentally ill would be doing the same in London and Berlin a the same rate as here.

I wish you would a bit...

Yes the individual right to protect one's own life, family and property.
My neighbor's children's lives were saved by a gun.

Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.
I have seen very different qualities in our employees who have been born
and raised outside the US.
Common sense yes? I'm sure you see the same. America is very unique. So much so
you say you might want to take your family planning home.

America IS unique alright our citizens have more guns than some countries. We are unique in that "%60 is background checked and that other 40% not a damn thing is checked nothing nada....a 16 year old can order a shooting rifle over the Internet with a credit card and get his or her gun in a few days.

Those are just a few things that make my country our country so very effing unique. Is that unique enough for ya?

Peace

JonnyPistachio

g under p wrote:

America IS unique alright our citizens have more guns than some countries. We are unique in that "%60 is background checked and that other 40% not a damn thing is checked nothing nada....a 16 year old can order a shooting rifle over the Internet with a credit card and get his or her gun in a few days.

Those are just a few things that make my country our country so very effing unique. Is that unique enough for ya?

Peace

That is so disturbing to me. And if you were hell bent on shooting up a school, you pick overnight shipping for a few more bucks and presto! your cannon is waiting on your doorstep before you can slug down your morning coffee.
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