Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns

Zoso

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

ds lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

It is political in nature the is division great.

We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
because of laws in place.
so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
to an extremely complex problem....
Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
we will find the solutions that will fix.

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because his mother had a whole cabinet full of hand guns and assault rifles that';s why......

pandora

brianlux wrote:

I disagree- most people are not so naive as to think there is an easy solution.

Maybe it's time to stop talking guns and get down to the difficult business of looking for solutions.

The only solution is to fix people.
The only thing that would have stopped this killer and the ones we have seen recently
is mental health help. That is the only way to have prevented this.
Prevent the killer from wanting to kill.

mickeyrat

pandora wrote:

Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?

he didnt want to wait during the waiting period. So he stole moms guns.

redrock

A number of weapons legally owned by his mother. Weapons he had used before for target practice with this mother, etc. Weapons accessible in the home. If these weapons were not readily available in his own home (or the 'family' home), would this tragedy have happened? Some may say he would have gotten guns some other way because he was dead intent on it.. well.. maybe not. Maybe his anger at a situation with people at the school would have subsided by that time. He tried to purchase a gun but didn't get it because of the waiting period - he couldn't wait. So he got the guns that were at his home. No guns at home (immediate access), no dead children?

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?

his took the guns from his mom??right??
why a teacher own guns and not books??
cos she could own guns..

Pandora..numbers cant tell wrong...so many killings at a country allow guns..
less killings to other countries that have different laws about them..

what the difficult to understand??..its time things to change...
the laws you have now,isnt enough to provide any kind of safety..

pandora

Zoso wrote:

because his mother had a whole cabinet full of hand guns and assault rifles that';s why......

they were owned legally are you suggesting the banning of all gun for all Americans?

Zoso

pandora wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I disagree- most people are not so naive as to think there is an easy solution.

Maybe it's time to stop talking guns and get down to the difficult business of looking for solutions.

The only solution is to fix people.
The only thing that would have stopped this killer and the ones we have seen recently
is mental health help. That is the only way to have prevented this.
Prevent the killer from wanting to kill.

millions of people have mental health issues in the world and not all want to kill children... if you take away his access to guns he doesn't do it.. pure and simple.

humans are inherently violent by nature... we can't stop this but we can stop their access to weapons like this...

redrock

Has the word 'ban' or 'banning' been mentioned by anyone in this thread? I don't think so... Why do pro-gun people straight away go to this extreme?

Stricter controls are necessary - anyone in their right mind can see that.

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?

his took the guns from his mom??right??
why a teacher own guns and not books??
cos she could own guns..

Pandora..numbers cant tell wrong...so many killings at a country allow guns..
less killings to other countries that have different laws about them..

what the difficult to understand??..its time things to change...
the laws you have now,isnt enough to provide any kind of safety..

Are you also suggesting the banning of all guns for all Americans?

And also judging the killer's Mother for owning guns?

The laws we have did not allow him to buy a gun legally.
So all the laws in the world will not stop someone who wants to kill.
We must address the mental illness that made this boy want to kill.

Zoso

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

because his mother had a whole cabinet full of hand guns and assault rifles that';s why......

they were owned legally are you suggesting the banning of all gun for all Americans?

I suggesting banning of weapons like assault rifles yes... and ammunition that kills isn't necessary for a mother.... you can get rubber bullets, stun guns etc. why do Americans HAVE to have guns!

Zoso

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?

his took the guns from his mom??right??
why a teacher own guns and not books??
cos she could own guns..

Pandora..numbers cant tell wrong...so many killings at a country allow guns..
less killings to other countries that have different laws about them..

what the difficult to understand??..its time things to change...
the laws you have now,isnt enough to provide any kind of safety..

Are you also suggesting the banning of all guns for all Americans?

And also judging the killer's Mother for owning guns?

The laws we have did not allow him to buy a gun legally.
So all the laws in the world will not stop someone who wants to kill.
We must address the mental illness that made this boy want to kill.

what law would have prevented him from getting his own guns?

pandora

redrock wrote:

Has the word 'ban' or 'banning' been mentioned by anyone in this thread? I don't think so... Why do pro-gun people straight away go to this extreme?

I asked is all because we have laws and this killer could not get a gun legally.
So our laws worked. But it proves that laws can not stop someone from killing.

brianlux

pandora wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I disagree- most people are not so naive as to think there is an easy solution.

Maybe it's time to stop talking guns and get down to the difficult business of looking for solutions.

The only solution is to fix people.
The only thing that would have stopped this killer and the ones we have seen recently
is mental health help. That is the only way to have prevented this.
Prevent the killer from wanting to kill.

Good point, Pandora.

Maybe we need to start with de-stigmatizing (my computer doesn't like that work but you know what I mean) mental illness. If our kidneys fail we receive treatment, care and sympathy. If the brain fails, we get isolation, hushed voices, lock ups, stigmatized and thus people are afraid or ashamed to get treatment for ourselves or parents are afraid or ashamed to get treatment for their child. This is not a proposal for an easy solution, but it's a start.

redrock

Zoso wrote:

what law would have prevented him from getting his own guns?

None Zoso. The only reason he didn't purchase one is that he had the waiting period and he didn't want to wait. If he didn't mind, he would have had a legally owned gun.

Zoso

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

Has the word 'ban' or 'banning' been mentioned by anyone in this thread? I don't think so... Why do pro-gun people straight away go to this extreme?

I asked is all because we have laws and this killer could not get a gun legally.
So our laws worked. But it proves that laws can not stop someone from killing.

the ONLY reason he didn't buy a gun because he didn't want to wait 2 weeks for the background check... but he would have been approved. why do you say he wouldn't have?

dimitrispearljam

Zoso wrote:

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millions of people have mental health issues in the world and not all want to kill children... if you take away his access to guns he doesn't do it.. pure and simple.

humans are inherently violent by nature... we can't stop this but we can stop their access to weapons like this...

so easy to understand this...i really dont fit in my mind,why people dont understand that simple thing..

redrock

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

Has the word 'ban' or 'banning' been mentioned by anyone in this thread? I don't think so... Why do pro-gun people straight away go to this extreme?

I asked is all because we have laws and this killer could not get a gun legally.
So our laws worked. But it proves that laws can not stop someone from killing.

No Pandora. Try to understand. NOTHING stopped him from purchasing a gun. HE did not want to go through the purchase because he had to wait and he did not want to wait. If he did, he would have had the gun.

dimitrispearljam

redrock wrote:

Zoso wrote:

what law would have prevented him from getting his own guns?

None Zoso. The only reason he didn't purchase one is that he had the waiting period and he didn't want to wait. If he didn't mind, he would have had a legally owned gun.

how ironic is this...

pandora

Zoso wrote:

what law would have prevented him from getting his own guns?

The laws that did. He tried to buy guns a few days before the shooting.
He couldn't. He was to young to purchase a hand gun. I believe he was carrying his brothers ID
to try to get it illegally. Red flag there, huh? Enforce the laws we have.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

Has the word 'ban' or 'banning' been mentioned by anyone in this thread? I don't think so... Why do pro-gun people straight away go to this extreme?

I asked is all because we have laws and this killer could not get a gun legally.
So our laws worked. But it proves that laws can not stop someone from killing.

no they didn't. the laws allowed a regular human being to own assault weapons. 20 children are dead. that means the law failed, and failed miserably.

the chinese knife attacker actually proved that gun laws prevent someone from killing. he INJURED many people, but none of them died.

proof is in the pudding.