millions of people have mental health issues in the world and not all want to kill children... if you take away his access to guns he doesn't do it.. pure and simple.
humans are inherently violent by nature... we can't stop this but we can stop their access to weapons like this...
so easy to understand this...i really dont fit in my mind,why people dont understand that simple thing..
I think the answer, as with most issues, lies somewhere in the middle of what alot of people seem to be arguing.
Stricter gun laws.... I own guns and have friends that are big gun buffs. I don't think anyone should own some of the guns they have, but I have a hard time saying they shouldn't when they're responsible with them and our government has a stockpile of them. It's easy to roll your eyes at that, I have numerous times, but it's a big reason why the 2nd amendment was put into the constitution. I don't think taking guns away from law-abiding citizens is the answer. Gun ownership has saved alot of lives as well. We just need to do a better job making sure we know who the responsible gun owners are. Make the owners, dealers, and doctors more liable when things do go wrong and for fucks sake make sure gun shows have a heavy police presence to stop the funny business that goes on there.
Better care for mental health issues. Clearly, the root of the problem. There is a stigma and alot of misunderstanding that goes on here. Alot of times, I think simple compassion would go a long way. Some, maybe most parents just don't know how to handle kids with mental issues and need the help.
Better parenting. Quit letting kids play shoot-em-up games and watching all the violent shit on tv, including the news. It desensitizes young people to death and all the horrible shit that goes with it. Spend some time with them, quit letting them dress like sluts and dumbasses and teach them some freakin respect.
U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.
"There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.
India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people.
Germany, France, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil and Russia were next in the ranking of country's overall civilian gun arsenals.
On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38.
France, Canada, Sweden, Austria and Germany were next, each with about 30 guns per 100 people, while many poorer countries often associated with violence ranked much lower. Nigeria, for instance, had just one gun per 100 people.
"Firearms are very unevenly distributed around the world. The image we have of certain regions such as Africa or Latin America being awash with weapons -- these images are certainly misleading," Small Arms Survey director Keith Krause said.
"Weapons ownership may be correlated with rising levels of wealth, and that means we need to think about future demand in parts of the world where economic growth is giving people larger disposable income," he told a Geneva news conference.
Only about 12 percent of civilian weapons are thought to be registered with authorities.
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So, basically we don't have anything better to waste our money on...and there's no real need to register weapons. :?
btw, I openly admit, I am biased...Ive had too many run-ins with guns used irresponsibly. I considered buying a gun a few times because I lived in a bad area. I was very close to buying one, and becoming the GOOD GUY with a gun to fight the bad guy with guns....But I decided that if I was to purchase a gun, the chances it could be used against me, or get stolen, and the fact that if people want to use a gun against me, they have the element of surprise...I abandoned my house, took a huge a risk (foreclosure/short sale) and moved. I still don't own a gun, thank God.
The United States has the loosest gun control laws of all developed countries. In the US, there are virtually as many guns as there are people. According to FBI crime statistics, 8,775 of the 12,996 murders that occurred in the U.S. in 2010 were caused by firearms.
With a gun being the weapon of choice in so many of the homicides in the United States, consider other countries, with stricter gun control laws, and how murders involving firearms there are much lower.
Japan - In Japan, most kinds of guns are illegal, and almost no one owns a gun. Japan is known as one of the strictest gun controlling nation in the world, with only 0.6 firearms per every 100 people. In 2006, there were only two homicides caused by guns in Japan. In 2008 there were 11. The country has nearly eliminated murder by firearms.
United Kingdom – The rate of private gun ownership in the United Kingdom is 6.72 firearms per 100 people. In 2009, only 18 people were murdered with a firearm. Within the last 14 years, the year with the highest number of gun caused homicides was 2004, with 52 people killed.
Australia – Ranked at No. 25 in comparison of number of privately owned guns in 178 other countries, about 15 out of every 100 Australians owns a firearm. Annual homicide rates involving firearms in the country is relatively low, at 0.1% per every 10,000 in 2009.
Germany – Ranked No. 4, in a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 other countries, approx. 30 out of every 100 people in Germany own a firearm. Germany experiences far fewer gun related homicides annually than the United States. In 2010, there was a total of 158 homicides committed with a firearm.
United States – The United States is ranked at No. 1 for civilian gun ownership in comparison with all other industrialized countries. There are approximately 88.8 firearms for every 100 people in the U.S. In the past 14 years, the year with the greatest number of homicides caused by a firearm occurred in 2006, when 10,225 people were killed by the use of a gun. Annual firearm suicides within the United States are high as well. In 2005, 17,002 suicides were committed using a firearm.
The United States far surpasses other countries in terms of gun related violence and death. The numbers above tend to indicate that fewer gun-related homicides is a direct result of stricter gun control laws.
A particular quote by Benjamin Franklin says, “Anyone who will trade freedom for security deserves neither.”
Although the freedoms enjoyed in this country must be protected and upheld, statistics show that personal security within the United States is greatly hampered by lenient gun control laws.
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I've always liked that Ben Franklin quote, but I wonder what he would say today.
I've heard quite a few people say the US is a world leader and the greates country, etc... well we sure take the cake on this one too.
.... I am sickened by the stigma of mental illness that is reinforced in these threads. Mental illness may be one factor in some of these shootings, but a personality disorder, such as this shooter is reported to have had, is much more about how people are socialized, particularly young males. This issue is far bigger than access to mental health care.
It's an insult to all who do have mental health issues.
U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.
"There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.
India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people.
Germany, France, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil and Russia were next in the ranking of country's overall civilian gun arsenals.
On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38.
France, Canada, Sweden, Austria and Germany were next, each with about 30 guns per 100 people, while many poorer countries often associated with violence ranked much lower. Nigeria, for instance, had just one gun per 100 people.
"Firearms are very unevenly distributed around the world. The image we have of certain regions such as Africa or Latin America being awash with weapons -- these images are certainly misleading," Small Arms Survey director Keith Krause said.
"Weapons ownership may be correlated with rising levels of wealth, and that means we need to think about future demand in parts of the world where economic growth is giving people larger disposable income," he told a Geneva news conference.
Only about 12 percent of civilian weapons are thought to be registered with authorities.
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So, basically we don't have anything better to waste our money on...and there's no real need to register weapons. :?
btw, I openly admit, I am biased...Ive had too many run-ins with guns used irresponsibly. I considered buying a gun a few times because I lived in a bad area. I was very close to buying one, and becoming the GOOD GUY with a gun to fight the bad guy with guns....But I decided that if I was to purchase a gun, the chances it could be used against me, or get stolen, and the fact that if people want to use a gun against me, they have the element of surprise...I abandoned my house, took a huge a risk (foreclosure/short sale) and moved. I still don't own a gun, thank God.
I love the (lack of) logic in arming MORE people as a response to these shootings.
If having more guns made us safer, the US would be the safest country in the world.
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Do we really want America to be a place where we HAVE to have guns everywhere? Do we want our kindergartens to be patrolled by armed guards and have our 5 year olds pass through metal detectors?
Is this the America we want?
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U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.
"There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.
India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people.
Germany, France, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil and Russia were next in the ranking of country's overall civilian gun arsenals.
On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38.
France, Canada, Sweden, Austria and Germany were next, each with about 30 guns per 100 people, while many poorer countries often associated with violence ranked much lower. Nigeria, for instance, had just one gun per 100 people.
"Firearms are very unevenly distributed around the world. The image we have of certain regions such as Africa or Latin America being awash with weapons -- these images are certainly misleading," Small Arms Survey director Keith Krause said.
"Weapons ownership may be correlated with rising levels of wealth, and that means we need to think about future demand in parts of the world where economic growth is giving people larger disposable income," he told a Geneva news conference.
Only about 12 percent of civilian weapons are thought to be registered with authorities.
****
So, basically we don't have anything better to waste our money on...and there's no real need to register weapons. :?
btw, I openly admit, I am biased...Ive had too many run-ins with guns used irresponsibly. I considered buying a gun a few times because I lived in a bad area. I was very close to buying one, and becoming the GOOD GUY with a gun to fight the bad guy with guns....But I decided that if I was to purchase a gun, the chances it could be used against me, or get stolen, and the fact that if people want to use a gun against me, they have the element of surprise...I abandoned my house, took a huge a risk (foreclosure/short sale) and moved. I still don't own a gun, thank God.
I love the (lack of) logic in arming MORE people as a response to these shootings.
If having more guns made us safer, the US would be the safest country in the world.
One of the best things I've heard said on the train since this tragedy. This is a video of ONE of these precious children..... Check out this video on YouTube:
If that's the logic then have everyone in this country have as many weapons as possible and see where that move leads us.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
.... I am sickened by the stigma of mental illness that is reinforced in these threads. Mental illness may be one factor in some of these shootings, but a personality disorder, such as this shooter is reported to have had, is much more about how people are socialized, particularly young males. This issue is far bigger than access to mental health care.
It's an insult to all who do have mental health issues.
Actually it is stigma that is actually being addressed. :fp:
but of course your agenda is gun control, mine is individual rights, states rights and reform for
the mentally ill not necessarily in that order.
.... I am sickened by the stigma of mental illness that is reinforced in these threads. Mental illness may be one factor in some of these shootings, but a personality disorder, such as this shooter is reported to have had, is much more about how people are socialized, particularly young males. This issue is far bigger than access to mental health care.
It's an insult to all who do have mental health issues.
Actually it is stigma that is actually being addressed. :fp:
but of course your agenda is gun control, mine is individual rights, states rights and reform for
the mentally ill not necessarily in that order.[/quote
I get it.. The individual right above all else including safety of children..
Again, how is mental health an issue if mental health exists everywhere but only mentally ill in America are shooting up school? I'm repeating myself.. if it was linked to mass murders the mentally ill would be doing the same in London and Berlin a the same rate as here.
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All this is pure speculation - remember... inaccurate news reports? Sensationalising? Hey.. he was a 'goth' into strange practices too.. let's not forget that.
I don't draw conclusions or judgement on 'Goth'... do you :?
His brother who grew up with him, his father also have said he was obsessed with games.
How about you address this as though it were fact ...
and really approach the life he was living.
'Goth' is a very silly word. People and the media use it to categorise. It means nothing. The media sure liked to use it for this killer though (amongst other speculative descriptions)
Why would I want to address speculation as fact? What an asinine suggestion.
You could be imaginative ...
I didn't hear one word about goth, not one.
The photos didn't lend to that either.
Fact is he was obsessed with gaming this reported to the police in his profile
by family members.
Do we really want America to be a place where we HAVE to have guns everywhere? Do we want our kindergartens to be patrolled by armed guards and have our 5 year olds pass through metal detectors?
Is this the America we want?
this are the hot questions that need to be answered....
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I get it.. The individual right above all else including safety of children..
Again, how is mental health an issue if mental health exists everywhere but only mentally ill in America are shooting up school? I'm repeating myself.. if it was linked to mass murders the mentally ill would be doing the same in London and Berlin a the same rate as here.
I wish you would a bit...
Yes the individual right to protect one's own life, family and property.
My neighbor's children's lives were saved by a gun.
Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.
I have seen very different qualities in our employees who have been born
and raised outside the US.
Common sense yes? I'm sure you see the same. America is very unique. So much so
you say you might want to take your family planning home.
Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.
Have you ever lived in London or Berlin? Just sayin'....
im very intresting to read where the American culture was found...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.
Have you ever lived in London or Berlin? Just sayin'....
im very intresting to read where the American culture was found...
Aren't we all fans of an American rock band that has played numerous sold out shows in both of those cities? Wait...aren't we on their website right now, too?
Aren't we all fans of an American rock band that has played numerous sold out shows in both of those cities? Wait...aren't we on their website right now, too?
dont get me started that they need to play at South Europe!!!
btw,Mike has European roots
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Aren't we all fans of an American rock band that has played numerous sold out shows in both of those cities? Wait...aren't we on their website right now, too?
dont get me started that they need to play at South Europe!!!
To those that say the solution is more guns, let me first say YOU are the reason why all people in posession of semi-automatic weapons needs a mental capacity test. At the very least. I think responsible people should be allowed to own guns for hunting and home protection. But semi-automatic rifles? The only real difference between what that kid used to kill the other kids and what our soldiers carry is a flip of the swith to 3-round burst or full auto. That is the problem. But with the weapon he used, which was bought legally in this country, he can fire off rounds as fast as he could pull the trigger. I was in the Army. We were taught to fire in sem-auto mode for more accuracy. That's why the M-16's were changed from full auto to 3-round burst, to improve accuracy. Someone with proper training can wipe out a large room of people in short order, as we've all seen. Civilians should NOT have access to assault weapons. It's that simple. Someone please give me a valid reason why they should.
Civilian assualt rifles don't have the fire select switches you refer to. Further, assualt rifles weren't used in this horrific event, unless reports have changed since I last checked (lots of false initial reports in this story). Finally, if burst and single-fire is more accurate (which, of course, it is), what's the harm in having full auto available? Won't the crazies just miss more?
I don't actually think full auto weapons should be available to civilians, fwiw; just wondering about the inconsistency in the "here's how we do it in the army" argument.
He used a Bushmaster .223. They showed a picture of it. It's basically an AR-15, or semi-automatic version of an M-16. My point was that no matter the rate of fire selection, you will kill a lot of people with this type of weapon, with the right training. And when your targets are mostly unarmed children, the outcome is predictable. You don't need burst or full auto to be effective.
As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.
That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.
I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?
Okay You got me.....I cracked up when I read this....lol
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.
I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?
Okay You got me.....I cracked up when I read this....lol
Hey, If it wasn't for spell check I would be laughed off this site.
So the solution to someone killing a bunch of children with guns, is more guns?
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The thing that never fails in the aftermath of national tragadies, such as this...
the outpouring of complete and utter BULLSHIT by people who believe they have some sort of clairvoyance into the reasons why these events took place. Pure, unadulterated speculative bullshit from people who get their information from television and gossip... and worst of all... their own warped view of the world as only seen through their eyes, fueled by a sense of infallibility.
...
The truth is... we may NEVER know. The people that can answer our questions truthfully... are DEAD. The shooter... DEAD. The mother... DEAD. The best we can do is allow the police to do what police do... investigate by locating tiny fragments of fact and trying to put them together as they really, truely were. Even after all of that... we STILL probably won't know the truth.
All we know is that 20 children and 6 adults are dead... and so if the person who committed these horrible acts of violence. The truth to what caused him to do this in one the other side of the death portal. Good luck getting it.
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I get it.. The individual right above all else including safety of children..
Again, how is mental health an issue if mental health exists everywhere but only mentally ill in America are shooting up school? I'm repeating myself.. if it was linked to mass murders the mentally ill would be doing the same in London and Berlin a the same rate as here.
I wish you would a bit...
Yes the individual right to protect one's own life, family and property.
My neighbor's children's lives were saved by a gun.
Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.
I have seen very different qualities in our employees who have been born
and raised outside the US.
Common sense yes? I'm sure you see the same. America is very unique. So much so
you say you might want to take your family planning home.
America IS unique alright our citizens have more guns than some countries. We are unique in that "%60 is background checked and that other 40% not a damn thing is checked nothing nada....a 16 year old can order a shooting rifle over the Internet with a credit card and get his or her gun in a few days.
Those are just a few things that make my country our country so very effing unique. Is that unique enough for ya?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
America IS unique alright our citizens have more guns than some countries. We are unique in that "%60 is background checked and that other 40% not a damn thing is checked nothing nada....a 16 year old can order a shooting rifle over the Internet with a credit card and get his or her gun in a few days.
Those are just a few things that make my country our country so very effing unique. Is that unique enough for ya?
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That is so disturbing to me. And if you were hell bent on shooting up a school, you pick overnight shipping for a few more bucks and presto! your cannon is waiting on your doorstep before you can slug down your morning coffee.
:fp:
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Guns end lives...period.
Stricter gun laws.... I own guns and have friends that are big gun buffs. I don't think anyone should own some of the guns they have, but I have a hard time saying they shouldn't when they're responsible with them and our government has a stockpile of them. It's easy to roll your eyes at that, I have numerous times, but it's a big reason why the 2nd amendment was put into the constitution. I don't think taking guns away from law-abiding citizens is the answer. Gun ownership has saved alot of lives as well. We just need to do a better job making sure we know who the responsible gun owners are. Make the owners, dealers, and doctors more liable when things do go wrong and for fucks sake make sure gun shows have a heavy police presence to stop the funny business that goes on there.
Better care for mental health issues. Clearly, the root of the problem. There is a stigma and alot of misunderstanding that goes on here. Alot of times, I think simple compassion would go a long way. Some, maybe most parents just don't know how to handle kids with mental issues and need the help.
Better parenting. Quit letting kids play shoot-em-up games and watching all the violent shit on tv, including the news. It desensitizes young people to death and all the horrible shit that goes with it. Spend some time with them, quit letting them dress like sluts and dumbasses and teach them some freakin respect.
(Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said.
U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.
"There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.
India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people.
Germany, France, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil and Russia were next in the ranking of country's overall civilian gun arsenals.
On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38.
France, Canada, Sweden, Austria and Germany were next, each with about 30 guns per 100 people, while many poorer countries often associated with violence ranked much lower. Nigeria, for instance, had just one gun per 100 people.
"Firearms are very unevenly distributed around the world. The image we have of certain regions such as Africa or Latin America being awash with weapons -- these images are certainly misleading," Small Arms Survey director Keith Krause said.
"Weapons ownership may be correlated with rising levels of wealth, and that means we need to think about future demand in parts of the world where economic growth is giving people larger disposable income," he told a Geneva news conference.
Only about 12 percent of civilian weapons are thought to be registered with authorities.
****
So, basically we don't have anything better to waste our money on...and there's no real need to register weapons. :?
btw, I openly admit, I am biased...Ive had too many run-ins with guns used irresponsibly. I considered buying a gun a few times because I lived in a bad area. I was very close to buying one, and becoming the GOOD GUY with a gun to fight the bad guy with guns....But I decided that if I was to purchase a gun, the chances it could be used against me, or get stolen, and the fact that if people want to use a gun against me, they have the element of surprise...I abandoned my house, took a huge a risk (foreclosure/short sale) and moved. I still don't own a gun, thank God.
http://ivn.us/2012/07/25/gun-control-an ... omparison/
The United States has the loosest gun control laws of all developed countries. In the US, there are virtually as many guns as there are people. According to FBI crime statistics, 8,775 of the 12,996 murders that occurred in the U.S. in 2010 were caused by firearms.
With a gun being the weapon of choice in so many of the homicides in the United States, consider other countries, with stricter gun control laws, and how murders involving firearms there are much lower.
Japan - In Japan, most kinds of guns are illegal, and almost no one owns a gun. Japan is known as one of the strictest gun controlling nation in the world, with only 0.6 firearms per every 100 people. In 2006, there were only two homicides caused by guns in Japan. In 2008 there were 11. The country has nearly eliminated murder by firearms.
United Kingdom – The rate of private gun ownership in the United Kingdom is 6.72 firearms per 100 people. In 2009, only 18 people were murdered with a firearm. Within the last 14 years, the year with the highest number of gun caused homicides was 2004, with 52 people killed.
Australia – Ranked at No. 25 in comparison of number of privately owned guns in 178 other countries, about 15 out of every 100 Australians owns a firearm. Annual homicide rates involving firearms in the country is relatively low, at 0.1% per every 10,000 in 2009.
Germany – Ranked No. 4, in a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 other countries, approx. 30 out of every 100 people in Germany own a firearm. Germany experiences far fewer gun related homicides annually than the United States. In 2010, there was a total of 158 homicides committed with a firearm.
United States – The United States is ranked at No. 1 for civilian gun ownership in comparison with all other industrialized countries. There are approximately 88.8 firearms for every 100 people in the U.S. In the past 14 years, the year with the greatest number of homicides caused by a firearm occurred in 2006, when 10,225 people were killed by the use of a gun. Annual firearm suicides within the United States are high as well. In 2005, 17,002 suicides were committed using a firearm.
The United States far surpasses other countries in terms of gun related violence and death. The numbers above tend to indicate that fewer gun-related homicides is a direct result of stricter gun control laws.
A particular quote by Benjamin Franklin says, “Anyone who will trade freedom for security deserves neither.”
Although the freedoms enjoyed in this country must be protected and upheld, statistics show that personal security within the United States is greatly hampered by lenient gun control laws.
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I've always liked that Ben Franklin quote, but I wonder what he would say today.
I've heard quite a few people say the US is a world leader and the greates country, etc... well we sure take the cake on this one too.
It's an insult to all who do have mental health issues.
I love the (lack of) logic in arming MORE people as a response to these shootings.
If having more guns made us safer, the US would be the safest country in the world.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Is this the America we want?
Hail, Hail!!!
One of the best things I've heard said on the train since this tragedy. This is a video of ONE of these precious children..... Check out this video on YouTube:
http://youtu.be/suEzAc0QQ6U
If that's the logic then have everyone in this country have as many weapons as possible and see where that move leads us.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
but of course your agenda is gun control, mine is individual rights, states rights and reform for
the mentally ill not necessarily in that order.
but of course your agenda is gun control, mine is individual rights, states rights and reform for
the mentally ill not necessarily in that order.[/quote
I get it.. The individual right above all else including safety of children..
Again, how is mental health an issue if mental health exists everywhere but only mentally ill in America are shooting up school? I'm repeating myself.. if it was linked to mass murders the mentally ill would be doing the same in London and Berlin a the same rate as here.
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I didn't hear one word about goth, not one.
The photos didn't lend to that either.
Fact is he was obsessed with gaming this reported to the police in his profile
by family members.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Yes the individual right to protect one's own life, family and property.
My neighbor's children's lives were saved by a gun.
Do you think American culture is found in London and Berlin?
I don't.
I have seen very different qualities in our employees who have been born
and raised outside the US.
Common sense yes? I'm sure you see the same. America is very unique. So much so
you say you might want to take your family planning home.
Have you ever lived in London or Berlin? Just sayin'....
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Aren't we all fans of an American rock band that has played numerous sold out shows in both of those cities? Wait...aren't we on their website right now, too?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
btw,Mike has European roots
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Boston first, D, Boston first!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
He used a Bushmaster .223. They showed a picture of it. It's basically an AR-15, or semi-automatic version of an M-16. My point was that no matter the rate of fire selection, you will kill a lot of people with this type of weapon, with the right training. And when your targets are mostly unarmed children, the outcome is predictable. You don't need burst or full auto to be effective.
Okay You got me.....I cracked up when I read this....lol
Hey, If it wasn't for spell check I would be laughed off this site.
the outpouring of complete and utter BULLSHIT by people who believe they have some sort of clairvoyance into the reasons why these events took place. Pure, unadulterated speculative bullshit from people who get their information from television and gossip... and worst of all... their own warped view of the world as only seen through their eyes, fueled by a sense of infallibility.
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The truth is... we may NEVER know. The people that can answer our questions truthfully... are DEAD. The shooter... DEAD. The mother... DEAD. The best we can do is allow the police to do what police do... investigate by locating tiny fragments of fact and trying to put them together as they really, truely were. Even after all of that... we STILL probably won't know the truth.
All we know is that 20 children and 6 adults are dead... and so if the person who committed these horrible acts of violence. The truth to what caused him to do this in one the other side of the death portal. Good luck getting it.
Hail, Hail!!!
America IS unique alright our citizens have more guns than some countries. We are unique in that "%60 is background checked and that other 40% not a damn thing is checked nothing nada....a 16 year old can order a shooting rifle over the Internet with a credit card and get his or her gun in a few days.
Those are just a few things that make my country our country so very effing unique. Is that unique enough for ya?
Peace
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That is so disturbing to me. And if you were hell bent on shooting up a school, you pick overnight shipping for a few more bucks and presto! your cannon is waiting on your doorstep before you can slug down your morning coffee.
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