Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    redrock wrote:
    But you know what CBG, once these little ones and their teachers have been laid to rest and there's nothing more of interest to the sensationalist media; once the media have done with the killer, the 'nutter', this story will go away. Until the next time. As insensitive as it may seem, one needs to beat the iron while it's hot. I think this was one outrage too many and I really hope something comes out of it. And I'm not just talking about revised gun laws.

    Exactly, now is the perfect time to talk about it.
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    But you know what CBG, once these little ones and their teachers have been laid to rest and there's nothing more of interest to the sensationalist media; once the media have done with the killer, the 'nutter', this story will go away. Until the next time. As insensitive as it may seem, one needs to beat the iron while it's hot. I think this was one outrage too many and I really hope something comes out of it. And I'm not just talking about revised gun laws.
    I understand. I just really can't stomach hearing guns being glorified at the moment. I hope this will lead to some changes. Something has to give.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I just really can't stomach hearing guns being glorified at the moment.

    Yeah, that is hard to stomach. As those stating this is not a gun issue at all.
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I just really can't stomach hearing guns being glorified at the moment.

    Yeah, that is hard to stomach. As those stating this is not a gun issue at all.
    I keep hearing "he could have used a knife, he could have used a pillow." Yeah he could have. I wish he did. But he didn't. If he had, some of those little lives may not have been lost. I just keep needing to step back from this one.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    "If they would rather die," said Scrooge,"they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population"
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sp ... ings-2012/

    only 75 dead this year so far...
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    pandora wrote:
    rollings wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I guess you didn't hear the news show I did :lol:

    why are you laughing?
    I was laughing because of the very weird way the media has handled this. All the misreporting and rumors flying......

    I see now what you mean.

    I don't think I would have derived what you meant, though, without the explanation, which is why I asked....
    I didn't think you were laughing at the recent incident or anything like that.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    comebackgirl wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I just really can't stomach hearing guns being glorified at the moment.

    Yeah, that is hard to stomach. As those stating this is not a gun issue at all.
    I keep hearing "he could have used a knife, he could have used a pillow." Yeah he could have. I wish he did. But he didn't. If he had, some of those little lives may not have been lost. I just keep needing to step back from this one.
    we have this saying in Greece
    "not in my ass and u can put it wherever you want"
    aka,those idiots dont get what going on,will get it,only if the victims was their kids
    now??other people suffering,so they say any fuckin stupid theory they want...
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  • catefrances
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    comebackgirl wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I just really can't stomach hearing guns being glorified at the moment.

    Yeah, that is hard to stomach. As those stating this is not a gun issue at all.
    I keep hearing "he could have used a knife, he could have used a pillow." Yeah he could have. I wish he did. But he didn't. If he had, some of those little lives may not have been lost. I just keep needing to step back from this one.

    this is the biggest load of horseshit ive ever heard... and its such a lazy justification not to change gun laws. we all know that if a pillow was used those children and teachers would be alive today and we wouldnt be having this conversation. someone comes at you with a pillow you laugh, slap them and take the pillow from them... as for knives... sure they can be lethal but so too can neckties...so too can a lot of things... but a line has to be drawn and it has to be drawn with the most lethal form of weapon if THAT weapon is what is consistently being used to murder innocents en masse.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    rollings wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    rollings wrote:
    why are you laughing?
    I was laughing because of the very weird way the media has handled this. All the misreporting and rumors flying......

    I see now what you mean.

    I don't think I would have derived what you meant, though, without the explanation, which is why I asked....
    I didn't think you were laughing at the recent incident or anything like that.
    thank you

    I have never heard of so much wrong reporting on a media story.

    I wish they would wait for more official words, I felt like I was in the middle of a twitter
    fest and I don't twitter. Dizzy shit
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    redrock wrote:

    Yeah, that is hard to stomach. As those stating this is not a gun issue at all.
    I keep hearing "he could have used a knife, he could have used a pillow." Yeah he could have. I wish he did. But he didn't. If he had, some of those little lives may not have been lost. I just keep needing to step back from this one.

    this is the biggest load of horseshit ive ever heard... and its such a lazy justification not to change gun laws. we all know that if a pillow was used those children and teachers would be alive today and we wouldnt be having this conversation. someone comes at you with a pillow you laugh, slap them and take the pillow from them... as for knives... sure they can be lethal but so too can neckties...so too can a lot of things... but a line has to be drawn and it has to be drawn with the most lethal form of weapon if THAT weapon is what is consistently being used to murder innocents en masse.
    how about he could have used a bomb... that one work ladies?

    cause yes mass destruction is coming our way.

    Why aren't you addressing mental illness as much as all this banning guns ?
    It is the reason he killed. The weapon was not the reason.
    Wait I know, you don't want to own a gun, barely have to lock your doors :?
    You have nothing to give up.

    If my neighbor had not had a gun he and his family would be dead.
    Gun control gun bans is not the answer. Criminals don't follow the law
    and plenty of the law abiding will now become criminal
    because their guns are here to stay.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    edited December 2012
    i love how Americans get upset when they read stories of 14 year old girls getting stoned to death by the Taleban for looking at a boy.... rules they are willing to die to protect... yet when people from the civilised world, or as I like to call them, Europeans, suggest it might be an idea to update a piece of parchment paper written over 250 years ago they get all heat up about rights ... 250 years ago I could have owned a slave, was legally allowed to punch my wife in the face and one could fuck a pot-bellied pig up the arse on a Tuesday...

    as the great philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche once said ... "get a grip for fuck's sake"
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    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    pandora wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I keep hearing "he could have used a knife, he could have used a pillow." Yeah he could have. I wish he did. But he didn't. If he had, some of those little lives may not have been lost. I just keep needing to step back from this one.

    this is the biggest load of horseshit ive ever heard... and its such a lazy justification not to change gun laws. we all know that if a pillow was used those children and teachers would be alive today and we wouldnt be having this conversation. someone comes at you with a pillow you laugh, slap them and take the pillow from them... as for knives... sure they can be lethal but so too can neckties...so too can a lot of things... but a line has to be drawn and it has to be drawn with the most lethal form of weapon if THAT weapon is what is consistently being used to murder innocents en masse.
    how about he could have used a bomb... that one work ladies?

    there was no need ... he had lots of legally owned guns.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    pandora wrote:
    how about he could have used a bomb... that one work ladies?
    .
    they selling freely bombs at stores at usa?
    cos sure they selling guns and pillows..the first kills,the second no..
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  • pureoc
    pureoc Posts: 2,383
    dignin wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:
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    That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

    I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?

    apparently it means gun owners have a right to own a gun no matter what happens in America because of an outdated law that wasn't put in place to protect assault weapons being fired at school children.

    What it means is that their "god given" right to own a gun is more important than trying to save more lives. No other way to put it. Pretty disgusting people think that way.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    how about he could have used a bomb... that one work ladies?
    .
    they selling freely bombs at stores at usa?
    cos sure they selling guns and pillows..the first kills,the second no..

    Could have used a highly trained bear... no wait... cougar. Does that one work, hmmm?

    Completely juvenile argument- again. Don't engage. The gun control side, with its incredibly weak supporting points and bad spelling has lost this debate badly. Really badly.
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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:

    this is the biggest load of horseshit ive ever heard... and its such a lazy justification not to change gun laws. we all know that if a pillow was used those children and teachers would be alive today and we wouldnt be having this conversation. someone comes at you with a pillow you laugh, slap them and take the pillow from them... as for knives... sure they can be lethal but so too can neckties...so too can a lot of things... but a line has to be drawn and it has to be drawn with the most lethal form of weapon if THAT weapon is what is consistently being used to murder innocents en masse.
    how about he could have used a bomb... that one work ladies?

    cause yes mass destruction is coming our way.

    Why aren't you addressing mental illness as much as all this banning guns ?
    It is the reason he killed. The weapon was not the reason.
    Wait I know, you don't want to own a gun, barely have to lock your doors :?
    You have nothing to give up.

    If my neighbor had not had a gun he and his family would be dead.
    Gun control gun bans is not the answer. Criminals don't follow the law
    and plenty of the law abiding will now become criminal
    because their guns are here to stay.
    Yes...he could have used a bomb. But he didn't.

    I always think we should focus on mental health, whether or not there is violence of this nature. I've talk at length about that in a few threads now. There is a lot of misinformation about the nature of the mental health diagnoses the shooter is reported to have had, as well as what recourse we have with different diagnoses.
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  • gabers
    gabers Posts: 2,787
    To those that say the solution is more guns, let me first say YOU are the reason why all people in posession of semi-automatic weapons needs a mental capacity test. At the very least. I think responsible people should be allowed to own guns for hunting and home protection. But semi-automatic rifles? The only real difference between what that kid used to kill the other kids and what our soldiers carry is a flip of the swith to 3-round burst or full auto. That is the problem. But with the weapon he used, which was bought legally in this country, he can fire off rounds as fast as he could pull the trigger. I was in the Army. We were taught to fire in sem-auto mode for more accuracy. That's why the M-16's were changed from full auto to 3-round burst, to improve accuracy. Someone with proper training can wipe out a large room of people in short order, as we've all seen. Civilians should NOT have access to assault weapons. It's that simple. Someone please give me a valid reason why they should.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    how about he could have used a bomb... that one work ladies?
    .
    they selling freely bombs at stores at usa?
    cos sure they selling guns and pillows..the first kills,the second no..

    Could have used a highly trained bear... no wait... cougar. Does that one work, hmmm?

    Completely juvenile argument- again. Don't engage. The gun control side, with its incredibly weak supporting points and bad spelling has lost this debate badly. Really badly.
    Yes don't engage in debate ... good advice seems to work well for many ;)
    it seems to be more of a rant then agree, rant then agree, rant than agree.
    Solutions that will really go to the crux of this violence
    is where our direction should be now     ... there's some common sense.

    We all know they are freely selling ingredients to make bombs.
    As we have seen with other killers.
    But of course the point missed with the antigunners, it's not the gun it's the person.
    A person way will find a way to carnage. To hurt a society that has hurt them.
    It's so much harder to address the real problem. Takes compassion and empathy, understanding
    of the other victim here... the mentally ill person pulling the trigger.
    We can see that is not some people's strong suit, to try to understand where
    these killers minds were and totally forget forgiveness, even in the case
    of someone being mentally ill. :?
    But for real change, ironic huh? it will take that. It will take each home
    being involved enough to help get help for those who need it.
    And help must be available for all.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    gabers wrote:
    Someone with proper training can wipe out a large room of people in short order, as we've all seen.
    Like someone who, in his 20 years, grew up playing hours upon hours, months upon months,
    years upon years of military type assault 'play'. Without the luxury of close human bonding.
    Learning to fire an assault weapon in front of the TV, the computer.
    Learning victims are just a number. The higher the better. Did he win?
    No. In his life he did not win.

    Who takes responsibility for a growing mind with illness that is forgotten?
    His mother? His father? His clergy? His friends? Friends parents?
    Isn't it all of us? People knew and no one wanted to get involved.
    Just don't look at the not right boy.
    Don't look maybe he will go away. Oh boy did this boy go away.

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