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aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
edited December 2012 in A Moving Train
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    and all are safe now..problem solved..
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  • Jamminonthe1Jamminonthe1 Posts: 1,243
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    and all are safe now..problem solved..

    Duh!
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    "Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
    Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post













  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    brianlux wrote:
    "Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.
    And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
    people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :(
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    aerial wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    "Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.
    And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
    people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :(

    I know several people who own guns. The ones who are most interested in solutions are people who respect the power of a gun, the responsibility of owning a gun, and the fact that there are people who see how destructively guns are often used. These people are quiet about their gun ownership. The do not go on line and boast about their gun ownership. They do not go on line and rant and rave about their "right" to own guns.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
    Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post













  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    "Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.
    And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
    people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :(

    I know several people who own guns. The ones who are most interested in solutions are people who respect the power of a gun, the responsibility of owning a gun, and the fact that there are people who see how destructively guns are often used. These people are quiet about their gun ownership. The do not go on line and boast about their gun ownership. They do not go on line and rant and rave about their "right" to own guns.

    As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    aerial wrote:

    As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

    That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
    Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post













  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    "Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.
    And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
    people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :(

    I know several people who own guns. The ones who are most interested in solutions are people who respect the power of a gun, the responsibility of owning a gun, and the fact that there are people who see how destructively guns are often used. These people are quiet about their gun ownership. The do not go on line and boast about their gun ownership. They do not go on line and rant and rave about their "right" to own guns.
    Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

    Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
    and do not voice their opinions?

    We have many here who from the other side of the debate
    are making much noise also.

    I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
    the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

    To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
    of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
    down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
    These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
    provide hope for the future.

    The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
    the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
    Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
    and it should be a healing time for all.
    It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    so if more guns in the hands of the 'good guys' what's going to happen in a crisis? Say for one second a teacher had a gun.. would that have helped or not? there will be more killings in school if adults started carrying guns around kids all the time...

    and another thing... the details are sketchy but this guy was a 'good guy' till Friday... he didn't have a record and would have been allowed to get a gun license if he tried....

    the idea that we need more guns is fucking ridiculous and personally wouldn't have my kid in a school with gun carrying adults.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.
    And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
    people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :([/quote]

    I know several people who own guns. The ones who are most interested in solutions are people who respect the power of a gun, the responsibility of owning a gun, and the fact that there are people who see how destructively guns are often used. These people are quiet about their gun ownership. The do not go on line and boast about their gun ownership. They do not go on line and rant and rave about their "right" to own guns.[/quote]
    Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

    Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
    and do not voice their opinions?

    We have many here who from the other side of the debate
    are making much noise also.

    I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
    the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

    To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
    of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
    down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
    These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
    provide hope for the future.

    The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
    the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
    Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
    and it should be a healing time for all.
    It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.[/quote]

    the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

    That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

    I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    pandora wrote:
    Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

    Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
    and do not voice their opinions?

    We have many here who from the other side of the debate
    are making much noise also.

    I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
    the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

    To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
    of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
    down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
    These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
    provide hope for the future.

    The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
    the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
    Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
    and it should be a healing time for all.
    It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

    Please re-read my post. I think it speaks for itself.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
    Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post













  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    dignin wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

    That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

    I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?

    apparently it means gun owners have a right to own a gun no matter what happens in America because of an outdated law that wasn't put in place to protect assault weapons being fired at school children.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    dignin wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

    That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

    I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?

    :lol:
    fare
    /fe(ə)r/
    Noun
    The money a passenger on public transportation has to pay.
    Verb
    Perform in a specified way in a particular situation or over a particular period of time: "the party fared badly in the elections".
    Synonyms
    noun. food - passenger
    verb. travel - go - be
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
    Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post













  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    edited December 2012
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

    Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
    and do not voice their opinions?

    We have many here who from the other side of the debate
    are making much noise also.

    I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
    the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

    To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
    of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
    down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
    These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
    provide hope for the future.

    The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
    the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
    Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
    and it should be a healing time for all.
    It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

    the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

    It is political in nature the division is great.

    We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
    because of laws in place.
    so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

    We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
    to an extremely complex problem....
    Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
    we will find the solutions that will fix.
    Post edited by pandora on
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

    That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

    It's not really about fair.

    It's about doing what is right. Call it ranting and raving... but people are impassioned right now because they are outraged at a current system that allows for an abundance of effective tools to carry out sick people's worst ideas.

    It's about a trade off. No 'fun' guns (hand guns and assault rifles) to shoot pop cans with in an attempt to safeguard the ones you need to safeguard. Is a shotgun inside your home not protection enough? Do people seriously think they need handguns and assault rifles to defend themselves of an impending enemy force?

    * I call assault rifles and handguns 'fun' guns because these types of guns are not for hunting. As a former hunter and gun owner, I am assuming they are for shooting pop cans and simply admiring... unless people have a more sinister design for them.

    * I also realize handguns are a nice sidearm to have hunting... but a trade off again. In the years I spent in the bush... I have never needed a sidearm.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

    Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
    and do not voice their opinions?

    We have many here who from the other side of the debate
    are making much noise also.

    I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
    the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

    To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
    of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
    down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
    These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
    provide hope for the future.

    The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
    the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
    Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
    and it should be a healing time for all.
    It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

    the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

    It is political in nature the is division great.

    We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
    because of laws in place.
    so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

    We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
    to an extremely complex problem....
    Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
    we will find the solutions that will fix.
    you have laws that allow easily access to gun to anyone,that want to do bad things.
    its stupidity...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

    Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
    and do not voice their opinions?

    We have many here who from the other side of the debate
    are making much noise also.

    I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
    the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

    To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
    of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
    down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
    These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
    provide hope for the future.

    The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
    the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
    Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
    and it should be a healing time for all.
    It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

    the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

    It is political in nature the is division great.

    Say what?
    pandora wrote:
    We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
    because of laws in place.
    so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

    We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
    to an extremely complex problem....
    Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
    we will find the solutions that will fix.

    I disagree- most people are not so naive as to think there is an easy solution.

    Maybe it's time to stop talking guns and get down to the difficult business of looking for solutions.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
    Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post













  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

    It is political in nature the is division great.

    We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
    because of laws in place.
    so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

    We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
    to an extremely complex problem....
    Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
    we will find the solutions that will fix.
    you have laws that allow easily access to gun to anyone,that want to do bad things.
    its stupidity...
    Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

    Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
    and do not voice their opinions?

    We have many here who from the other side of the debate
    are making much noise also.

    I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
    the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

    To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
    of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
    down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
    These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
    provide hope for the future.

    The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
    the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
    Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
    and it should be a healing time for all.
    It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

    the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

    It is political in nature the is division great.

    We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
    because of laws in place.
    so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

    We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
    to an extremely complex problem....
    Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
    we will find the solutions that will fix.

    children safety isn't political I repeat...

    AND this killer would have been able to get a gun license.. what was stopping him???? He didn't have a record nor a mental health disorder that stopped anyone from doing anything... someone with a personalty disorder is 100% free to do whatever they want in any country.

    how can you say America has good gun laws if I can go to Walmart and guy ammunition and a gun so easy it's fucking scary... no other country has that lapse of security when it comes to guns...

    someone with a mental health disorder without access to an assault rifle may be harmful but the likelyhood that he will kill almost 30 people including kids is very rare....
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    ds lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

    It is political in nature the is division great.

    We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
    because of laws in place.
    so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

    We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
    to an extremely complex problem....
    Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
    we will find the solutions that will fix.
    ?[/quote]

    because his mother had a whole cabinet full of hand guns and assault rifles that';s why......
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    brianlux wrote:
    I disagree- most people are not so naive as to think there is an easy solution.

    Maybe it's time to stop talking guns and get down to the difficult business of looking for solutions.
    The only solution is to fix people.
    The only thing that would have stopped this killer and the ones we have seen recently
    is mental health help. That is the only way to have prevented this.
    Prevent the killer from wanting to kill.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,717
    pandora wrote:
    Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?
    he didnt want to wait during the waiting period. So he stole moms guns.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    A number of weapons legally owned by his mother. Weapons he had used before for target practice with this mother, etc. Weapons accessible in the home. If these weapons were not readily available in his own home (or the 'family' home), would this tragedy have happened? Some may say he would have gotten guns some other way because he was dead intent on it.. well.. maybe not. Maybe his anger at a situation with people at the school would have subsided by that time. He tried to purchase a gun but didn't get it because of the waiting period - he couldn't wait. So he got the guns that were at his home. No guns at home (immediate access), no dead children?
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    pandora wrote:
    Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?
    his took the guns from his mom??right??
    why a teacher own guns and not books??
    cos she could own guns..

    Pandora..numbers cant tell wrong...so many killings at a country allow guns..
    less killings to other countries that have different laws about them..

    what the difficult to understand??..its time things to change...
    the laws you have now,isnt enough to provide any kind of safety..
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Zoso wrote:


    because his mother had a whole cabinet full of hand guns and assault rifles that';s why......
    they were owned legally are you suggesting the banning of all gun for all Americans?
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I disagree- most people are not so naive as to think there is an easy solution.

    Maybe it's time to stop talking guns and get down to the difficult business of looking for solutions.
    The only solution is to fix people.
    The only thing that would have stopped this killer and the ones we have seen recently
    is mental health help. That is the only way to have prevented this.
    Prevent the killer from wanting to kill.

    millions of people have mental health issues in the world and not all want to kill children... if you take away his access to guns he doesn't do it.. pure and simple.

    humans are inherently violent by nature... we can't stop this but we can stop their access to weapons like this...
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited December 2012
    Has the word 'ban' or 'banning' been mentioned by anyone in this thread? I don't think so... Why do pro-gun people straight away go to this extreme?

    Stricter controls are necessary - anyone in their right mind can see that.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?
    his took the guns from his mom??right??
    why a teacher own guns and not books??
    cos she could own guns..

    Pandora..numbers cant tell wrong...so many killings at a country allow guns..
    less killings to other countries that have different laws about them..

    what the difficult to understand??..its time things to change...
    the laws you have now,isnt enough to provide any kind of safety..
    Are you also suggesting the banning of all guns for all Americans?

    And also judging the killer's Mother for owning guns?

    The laws we have did not allow him to buy a gun legally.
    So all the laws in the world will not stop someone who wants to kill.
    We must address the mental illness that made this boy want to kill.
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:


    because his mother had a whole cabinet full of hand guns and assault rifles that';s why......
    they were owned legally are you suggesting the banning of all gun for all Americans?

    I suggesting banning of weapons like assault rifles yes... and ammunition that kills isn't necessary for a mother.... you can get rubber bullets, stun guns etc. why do Americans HAVE to have guns!
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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