Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns

aerial

http://govtslaves.info/michigan-approves-concealed-weapons-in-schools-churches/ :thumbup:

dimitrispearljam

and all are safe now..problem solved..

Jamminonthe1

dimitrispearljam wrote:

and all are safe now..problem solved..

Duh!

brianlux

"Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.

aerial

brianlux wrote:

"Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.

And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :(

brianlux

aerial wrote:

brianlux wrote:

"Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.

And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :(

I know several people who own guns. The ones who are most interested in solutions are people who respect the power of a gun, the responsibility of owning a gun, and the fact that there are people who see how destructively guns are often used. These people are quiet about their gun ownership. The do not go on line and boast about their gun ownership. They do not go on line and rant and rave about their "right" to own guns.

aerial

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

brianlux wrote:

"Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.

And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :(

I know several people who own guns. The ones who are most interested in solutions are people who respect the power of a gun, the responsibility of owning a gun, and the fact that there are people who see how destructively guns are often used. These people are quiet about their gun ownership. The do not go on line and boast about their gun ownership. They do not go on line and rant and rave about their "right" to own guns.

As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

brianlux

aerial wrote:

As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

pandora

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

brianlux wrote:

"Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.

And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :(

I know several people who own guns. The ones who are most interested in solutions are people who respect the power of a gun, the responsibility of owning a gun, and the fact that there are people who see how destructively guns are often used. These people are quiet about their gun ownership. The do not go on line and boast about their gun ownership. They do not go on line and rant and rave about their "right" to own guns.

Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
and do not voice their opinions?

We have many here who from the other side of the debate
are making much noise also.

I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
provide hope for the future.

The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
and it should be a healing time for all.
It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

Zoso

so if more guns in the hands of the 'good guys' what's going to happen in a crisis? Say for one second a teacher had a gun.. would that have helped or not? there will be more killings in school if adults started carrying guns around kids all the time...

and another thing... the details are sketchy but this guy was a 'good guy' till Friday... he didn't have a record and would have been allowed to get a gun license if he tried....

the idea that we need more guns is fucking ridiculous and personally wouldn't have my kid in a school with gun carrying adults.

Zoso

pandora wrote:

Good Guys with Guns Stop Bad Guys with Guns"... sort of like...

Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.

And the flu shot consist of the flu Virus, measle shot consist of measles and so on....which prevents deceases and sickness
people want guns for hobby but most want them for self defense as everyone can see it is a crazy world :([/quote]

I know several people who own guns. The ones who are most interested in solutions are people who respect the power of a gun, the responsibility of owning a gun, and the fact that there are people who see how destructively guns are often used. These people are quiet about their gun ownership. The do not go on line and boast about their gun ownership. They do not go on line and rant and rave about their "right" to own guns.[/quote]
Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
and do not voice their opinions?

We have many here who from the other side of the debate
are making much noise also.

I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
provide hope for the future.

The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
and it should be a healing time for all.
It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.[/quote]

the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

dignin

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?

brianlux

pandora wrote:

Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
and do not voice their opinions?

We have many here who from the other side of the debate
are making much noise also.

I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
provide hope for the future.

The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
and it should be a healing time for all.
It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

Please re-read my post. I think it speaks for itself.

Zoso

dignin wrote:

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?

apparently it means gun owners have a right to own a gun no matter what happens in America because of an outdated law that wasn't put in place to protect assault weapons being fired at school children.

brianlux

dignin wrote:

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

I'm still trying to figure out what "Fare is fare" means?

fare
/fe(ə)r/
Noun
The money a passenger on public transportation has to pay.
Verb
Perform in a specified way in a particular situation or over a particular period of time: "the party fared badly in the elections".
Synonyms
noun. food - passenger
verb. travel - go - be

pandora

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
and do not voice their opinions?

We have many here who from the other side of the debate
are making much noise also.

I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
provide hope for the future.

The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
and it should be a healing time for all.
It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

It is political in nature the division is great.

We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
because of laws in place.
so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
to an extremely complex problem....
Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
we will find the solutions that will fix.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

As long as there are people ranting and raving that people should give up there right to own a gun there will be those that will defend there right to own a gun. Fare is fare.

That's fine, Aerial. I'm not ranting and raving about anything. I just want to find solutions and stop the killing.

It's not really about fair.

It's about doing what is right. Call it ranting and raving... but people are impassioned right now because they are outraged at a current system that allows for an abundance of effective tools to carry out sick people's worst ideas.

It's about a trade off. No 'fun' guns (hand guns and assault rifles) to shoot pop cans with in an attempt to safeguard the ones you need to safeguard. Is a shotgun inside your home not protection enough? Do people seriously think they need handguns and assault rifles to defend themselves of an impending enemy force?

* I call assault rifles and handguns 'fun' guns because these types of guns are not for hunting. As a former hunter and gun owner, I am assuming they are for shooting pop cans and simply admiring... unless people have a more sinister design for them.

* I also realize handguns are a nice sidearm to have hunting... but a trade off again. In the years I spent in the bush... I have never needed a sidearm.

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
and do not voice their opinions?

We have many here who from the other side of the debate
are making much noise also.

I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
provide hope for the future.

The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
and it should be a healing time for all.
It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

It is political in nature the is division great.

We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
because of laws in place.
so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
to an extremely complex problem....
Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
we will find the solutions that will fix.

you have laws that allow easily access to gun to anyone,that want to do bad things.
its stupidity...

brianlux

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
and do not voice their opinions?

We have many here who from the other side of the debate
are making much noise also.

I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
provide hope for the future.

The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
and it should be a healing time for all.
It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

It is political in nature the is division great.

Say what?

pandora wrote:

We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
because of laws in place.
so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
to an extremely complex problem....
Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
we will find the solutions that will fix.

I disagree- most people are not so naive as to think there is an easy solution.

Maybe it's time to stop talking guns and get down to the difficult business of looking for solutions.

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

It is political in nature the is division great.

We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
because of laws in place.
so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
to an extremely complex problem....
Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
we will find the solutions that will fix.

you have laws that allow easily access to gun to anyone,that want to do bad things.
its stupidity...

Then why could this killer not obtain a gun legally?

Zoso

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

Does this mean there should be no gun debates then?

Ae you saying better people do not stand up for their rights? Better people keep quiet
and do not voice their opinions?

We have many here who from the other side of the debate
are making much noise also.

I was insulted for feeling it is no time to debate guns when we are mourning
the loss of life. That is not the time for political agendas. It's a time to come together.

To address proper mental care available for the young shooter phenomenon
of the last few years is a positive approach. To address a culture that is letting
down the young, that is producing adults who are troubled and angry.
These are subjects that can bring a country together while mourning and
provide hope for the future.

The division gun control brings is so negative, as we have seen with
the insulting behavior of many posters. Both sides have their common sense.
Both are correct and both are wrong. We can't heal this division
and it should be a healing time for all.
It is disrespectful to lives lost to not come together and heal.

the gun debate isn't a political agenda.. it's wanting to save kids lives lol. no IS the time because people don't care in 2 months and we all move on until the NEXT mass killing...

It is political in nature the is division great.

We have laws, good laws .... this killer could not get a gun legally days before
because of laws in place.
so he got them illegally, he stole them, just as the mall shooter did.

We can not control what other people do. People are looking for an easy solution
to an extremely complex problem....
Why did the young man kill? When we go to the crux of the problem which is not guns but people
we will find the solutions that will fix.

children safety isn't political I repeat...

AND this killer would have been able to get a gun license.. what was stopping him???? He didn't have a record nor a mental health disorder that stopped anyone from doing anything... someone with a personalty disorder is 100% free to do whatever they want in any country.

how can you say America has good gun laws if I can go to Walmart and guy ammunition and a gun so easy it's fucking scary... no other country has that lapse of security when it comes to guns...

someone with a mental health disorder without access to an assault rifle may be harmful but the likelyhood that he will kill almost 30 people including kids is very rare....