"People vote Obama because they want stuff"

Zoso

Jason P wrote:

Everyone is already making excuses.

The dust hasn't even settled yet.

oh man just turn on faux news.. it's a shit storm.

cincybearcat

Zoso wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Everyone is already making excuses.

The dust hasn't even settled yet.

oh man just turn on faux news.. it's a shit storm.

Haven't heard anything there, but it doesn't seem to hard to figure out. The republicans, in my opinion, lost because they spent too much time talking about taking people's "rights" away and not enough time focuses on the crappy economy.

Get rid of the crazies. If Romney had been able to run the same campaign throughout...not pandering to the religious right wackos I thin he not only get smore votes, he ends up with enough electoral votes to be president.

And while I am for being pretty tough on illegal immigration, apparently the complete failure of this over the last several decades has created a situation where you can no longer be hard on it and get enough votes. I sure hope complete immigration reform is coming. We have to do something.

Zoso

cincybearcat wrote:

Zoso wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Everyone is already making excuses.

The dust hasn't even settled yet.

oh man just turn on faux news.. it's a shit storm.

Haven't heard anything there, but it doesn't seem to hard to figure out. The republicans, in my opinion, lost because they spent too much time talking about taking people's "rights" away and not enough time focuses on the crappy economy.

Get rid of the crazies. If Romney had been able to run the same campaign throughout...not pandering to the religious right wackos I thin he not only get smore votes, he ends up with enough electoral votes to be president.

And while I am for being pretty tough on illegal immigration, apparently the complete failure of this over the last several decades has created a situation where you can no longer be hard on it and get enough votes. I sure hope complete immigration reform is coming. We have to do something.

If types like donalad trump, pat robertson, todd akin etc etc keep defining the GOP they will lose by a lot more in 2016.. The nail in the coffin for me I think was the 47% comment.. it showed such lack of compassion and empathy towards a large chunk of society.

pandora

Zoso wrote:

If types like donalad trump, pat robertson, todd akin etc etc keep defining the GOP they will lose by a lot more in 2016.. The nail in the coffin for me I think was the 47% comment.. it showed such lack of compassion and empathy towards a large chunk of society.

That was really twisted just like when Obama said "you didn't build that" to entrepreneurs
just words taken out of context and depending on who one supported
understanding was then applied or not.

Zoso

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

If types like donalad trump, pat robertson, todd akin etc etc keep defining the GOP they will lose by a lot more in 2016.. The nail in the coffin for me I think was the 47% comment.. it showed such lack of compassion and empathy towards a large chunk of society.

That was really twisted just like when Obama said "you didn't build that" to entrepreneurs
just words taken out of context and depending on who one supported
understanding was then applied or not.

You think Romney empathizes with those struggling in America? He was the most out of touch American since Montgomery Burns. Romney's whole speech was about how he thought those on welfare were lazy and dependent.. Obama said 'you didn't built that.. you got help from others".. kinda different.

dasvidana

cincybearcat wrote:

Now onto your points:

1) Slightly over simplified. And when I say slightly I mean ridiculously. Started with Clinton, GW screwed us with the wars... Lots of blame to go around, not just GW.

2) I voted for GW, and I agree some of this is my fault as well. Though, if we are honest, my guess is it wouldn't have been all rainbows and puppy dogs with the other guys. And, again, as I said, if you voted for CLinton, you may have actually helped start this mess. Well, likely not started as elements of it have been around awhile, but you certainly own a huge heaping teaspoon full as well. So, if you are ready to stop blaming others we can move on, because while understanding root cause is important, blaming is not.

3) Great point here. Didn't have anymore points huh?

I think you need to go back farther than Clinton. We all need to realize that the same special interests are paying off both major parties and we've been suckered into thinking there is a huge difference between the two. There may be on social issues, but when it comes to fucking the US taxpayer, they aren't that different at all.

Prince Of Dorkness

EdsonNascimento wrote:

The collapse was centered around the housing market bubble. This was created by the Clinton policy of everyone must own a house even if they couldn't afford it (And yes, Bush did nothing to abate this, so he is culpable as well).

And yet... you seemed to be blaming it on the current president.


(and the housing bubble certainly was a massive thud at the bottom of the pit, but it's what finally showed us just how fucked we were.)

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

1) Slightly over simplified. And when I say slightly I mean ridiculously. Started with Clinton, GW screwed us with the wars... Lots of blame to go around, not just GW.

How did it start with Clinton? We were in such great shape that we had a surplus.

2) I voted for GW, and I agree some of this is my fault as well. Though, if we are honest, my guess is it wouldn't have been all rainbows and puppy dogs with the other guys. And, again, as I said, if you voted for CLinton, you may have actually helped start this mess. Well, likely not started as elements of it have been around awhile, but you certainly own a huge heaping teaspoon full as well. So, if you are ready to stop blaming others we can move on, because while understanding root cause is important, blaming is not.

I'm just fine to not blame others and move forward. But only when people stop going on about how the horrible economy has been going for the last four years thanks to the current president.

3) Great point here. Didn't have anymore points huh?

I think the point that the president has been working to turn the economy around and having to hear people complain about how it didn't happen fast enough when they themselves voted for the person who caused it... raises my ire.