Just one question - what is 4 years of blaming Bush if not scapegoating?
OK, I'll break it down for you.
"scapegoating" is when you fictionally blame someone for something they didn't to. Or you blame them for something you set them up to take the blame FOR.
If you were in a coma in 2008, I'll give you a short history lesson. George W Bush gave the top earners "tax cuts" as a present for the economic growth and prosperity brought in by the Clinton years. He said it was because they were "job creators," even though those jobs weren't created until Bill Clinton raised those taxes to the level they were at.
George W Bush then lied to the American people and the Senate and House about "weapons of mass destruction" and the "axis of evil" and tricked them into an un-winnable war with Iraq, started a necessary but poorly-executed and astronomically expensive war with Afghanistan and then rewarded his Vice President's old company with "no-bid" contracts that paid out absurd amounts of money and hired mercenaries to do the dirty work of exterminating civilians (so they could blame the atrocities on them and not the military).
Adding to that, he passed a prescription drugs bill he had no way to pay for, spent money on all sorts of money wasting bullshit and when he left office in January of 2009, we were losing 800,000 jobs PER MONTH and the US economy was so close to total collapse that we literally could have been the next Somalia. And I'm not really exaggerating there.
The catastrophic clusterfuck in which we found ourselves was deeper than any time since the 1930s. And because of many factors that didn't exist at the time... the result could have been MUCH worse than the Great Depression. Much worse.
The problem wasn't an easy fix. It was systematic down to the core of the banking industry, the housing industry and even the corrupt corporations that scammed the people out of trillions of dollars. Those have to be gutted and rebuilt.
That black hole would have taken years to climb out of no matter WHO was sitting in the oval office. And as luck would have it, we didn't have someone who was owned by the banks or the oil corporations or the Koch brothers... so he slowly started to rebuild our system. It's working but it's going to take a VERY long time to fix. You don't get that fucked up over night and you don't fix that problem with a couple tax cuts, closing a few women's reproductive clinics and shutting down PBS.
Republicans fought him tooth and nail every inch. They are owned by those billionaires who weren't ready to stop fucking the American public and they did all they could to stop him. They refused to let those tax cuts expire, they called his overhaul of health insurance "socialism" and spread fear about "death panels" and concentration camps that FEMA wasn't building.
They demonized gay community and convinced unemployed people that they should vote for a party that would cut off their unemployment insurance payments or else the gays would be able to get married. They called college students asking for birth control "sluts."
So... I'll sum up in point form.
1) The economic disaster is the fault of the Republican Party. It pre-dates the presidency of Barack Obama.
2) If you voted for George W Bush, this is also YOUR fault. You must own it. I didn't pee in your pants, either. That's all on you.
3) How about you shut your pie hole and let president Obama continue to clean up the mess you made before you whine about how those mean old gays and immigrants and women who didn't want to give birth to their rapist's babies are being mean to you.
Just one question - what is 4 years of blaming Bush if not scapegoating?
OK, I'll break it down for you.
"scapegoating" is when you fictionally blame someone for something they didn't to. Or you blame them for something you set them up to take the blame FOR.
If you were in a coma in 2008, I'll give you a short history lesson. George W Bush gave the top earners "tax cuts" as a present for the economic growth and prosperity brought in by the Clinton years. He said it was because they were "job creators," even though those jobs weren't created until Bill Clinton raised those taxes to the level they were at.
George W Bush then lied to the American people and the Senate and House about "weapons of mass destruction" and the "axis of evil" and tricked them into an un-winnable war with Iraq, started a necessary but poorly-executed and astronomically expensive war with Afghanistan and then rewarded his Vice President's old company with "no-bid" contracts that paid out absurd amounts of money and hired mercenaries to do the dirty work of exterminating civilians (so they could blame the atrocities on them and not the military).
Adding to that, he passed a prescription drugs bill he had no way to pay for, spent money on all sorts of money wasting bullshit and when he left office in January of 2009, we were losing 800,000 jobs PER MONTH and the US economy was so close to total collapse that we literally could have been the next Somalia. And I'm not really exaggerating there.
The catastrophic clusterfuck in which we found ourselves was deeper than any time since the 1930s. And because of many factors that didn't exist at the time... the result could have been MUCH worse than the Great Depression. Much worse.
The problem wasn't an easy fix. It was systematic down to the core of the banking industry, the housing industry and even the corrupt corporations that scammed the people out of trillions of dollars. Those have to be gutted and rebuilt.
That black hole would have taken years to climb out of no matter WHO was sitting in the oval office. And as luck would have it, we didn't have someone who was owned by the banks or the oil corporations or the Koch brothers... so he slowly started to rebuild our system. It's working but it's going to take a VERY long time to fix. You don't get that fucked up over night and you don't fix that problem with a couple tax cuts, closing a few women's reproductive clinics and shutting down PBS.
Republicans fought him tooth and nail every inch. They are owned by those billionaires who weren't ready to stop fucking the American public and they did all they could to stop him. They refused to let those tax cuts expire, they called his overhaul of health insurance "socialism" and spread fear about "death panels" and concentration camps that FEMA wasn't building.
They demonized gay community and convinced unemployed people that they should vote for a party that would cut off their unemployment insurance payments or else the gays would be able to get married. They called college students asking for birth control "sluts."
So... I'll sum up in point form.
1) The economic disaster is the fault of the Republican Party. It pre-dates the presidency of Barack Obama.
2) If you voted for George W Bush, this is also YOUR fault. You must own it. I didn't pee in your pants, either. That's all on you.
3) How about you shut your pie hole and let president Obama continue to clean up the mess you made before you whine about how those mean old gays and immigrants and women who didn't want to give birth to their rapist's babies are being mean to you.
Well well said. W is without question the worst president in this countries history. He royally F'd up and we are still paying for it. If you don't understand that you are either a moron, or a dirty greedy republican. If they think their views of alienating everyone but rich old white men is going to work, they can expect to keep getting their ass kicked in elections.
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Just one question - what is 4 years of blaming Bush if not scapegoating?
OK, I'll break it down for you.
"scapegoating" is when you fictionally blame someone for something they didn't to. Or you blame them for something you set them up to take the blame FOR.
If you were in a coma in 2008, I'll give you a short history lesson. George W Bush gave the top earners "tax cuts" as a present for the economic growth and prosperity brought in by the Clinton years. He said it was because they were "job creators," even though those jobs weren't created until Bill Clinton raised those taxes to the level they were at.
George W Bush then lied to the American people and the Senate and House about "weapons of mass destruction" and the "axis of evil" and tricked them into an un-winnable war with Iraq, started a necessary but poorly-executed and astronomically expensive war with Afghanistan and then rewarded his Vice President's old company with "no-bid" contracts that paid out absurd amounts of money and hired mercenaries to do the dirty work of exterminating civilians (so they could blame the atrocities on them and not the military).
Adding to that, he passed a prescription drugs bill he had no way to pay for, spent money on all sorts of money wasting bullshit and when he left office in January of 2009, we were losing 800,000 jobs PER MONTH and the US economy was so close to total collapse that we literally could have been the next Somalia. And I'm not really exaggerating there.
The catastrophic clusterfuck in which we found ourselves was deeper than any time since the 1930s. And because of many factors that didn't exist at the time... the result could have been MUCH worse than the Great Depression. Much worse.
The problem wasn't an easy fix. It was systematic down to the core of the banking industry, the housing industry and even the corrupt corporations that scammed the people out of trillions of dollars. Those have to be gutted and rebuilt.
That black hole would have taken years to climb out of no matter WHO was sitting in the oval office. And as luck would have it, we didn't have someone who was owned by the banks or the oil corporations or the Koch brothers... so he slowly started to rebuild our system. It's working but it's going to take a VERY long time to fix. You don't get that fucked up over night and you don't fix that problem with a couple tax cuts, closing a few women's reproductive clinics and shutting down PBS.
Republicans fought him tooth and nail every inch. They are owned by those billionaires who weren't ready to stop fucking the American public and they did all they could to stop him. They refused to let those tax cuts expire, they called his overhaul of health insurance "socialism" and spread fear about "death panels" and concentration camps that FEMA wasn't building.
They demonized gay community and convinced unemployed people that they should vote for a party that would cut off their unemployment insurance payments or else the gays would be able to get married. They called college students asking for birth control "sluts."
So... I'll sum up in point form.
1) The economic disaster is the fault of the Republican Party. It pre-dates the presidency of Barack Obama.
2) If you voted for George W Bush, this is also YOUR fault. You must own it. I didn't pee in your pants, either. That's all on you.
3) How about you shut your pie hole and let president Obama continue to clean up the mess you made before you whine about how those mean old gays and immigrants and women who didn't want to give birth to their rapist's babies are being mean to you.
Just one question - what is 4 years of blaming Bush if not scapegoating?
OK, I'll break it down for you.
"scapegoating" is when you fictionally blame someone for something they didn't to. Or you blame them for something you set them up to take the blame FOR.
If you were in a coma in 2008, I'll give you a short history lesson. George W Bush gave the top earners "tax cuts" as a present for the economic growth and prosperity brought in by the Clinton years. He said it was because they were "job creators," even though those jobs weren't created until Bill Clinton raised those taxes to the level they were at.
George W Bush then lied to the American people and the Senate and House about "weapons of mass destruction" and the "axis of evil" and tricked them into an un-winnable war with Iraq, started a necessary but poorly-executed and astronomically expensive war with Afghanistan and then rewarded his Vice President's old company with "no-bid" contracts that paid out absurd amounts of money and hired mercenaries to do the dirty work of exterminating civilians (so they could blame the atrocities on them and not the military).
Adding to that, he passed a prescription drugs bill he had no way to pay for, spent money on all sorts of money wasting bullshit and when he left office in January of 2009, we were losing 800,000 jobs PER MONTH and the US economy was so close to total collapse that we literally could have been the next Somalia. And I'm not really exaggerating there.
The catastrophic clusterfuck in which we found ourselves was deeper than any time since the 1930s. And because of many factors that didn't exist at the time... the result could have been MUCH worse than the Great Depression. Much worse.
The problem wasn't an easy fix. It was systematic down to the core of the banking industry, the housing industry and even the corrupt corporations that scammed the people out of trillions of dollars. Those have to be gutted and rebuilt.
That black hole would have taken years to climb out of no matter WHO was sitting in the oval office. And as luck would have it, we didn't have someone who was owned by the banks or the oil corporations or the Koch brothers... so he slowly started to rebuild our system. It's working but it's going to take a VERY long time to fix. You don't get that fucked up over night and you don't fix that problem with a couple tax cuts, closing a few women's reproductive clinics and shutting down PBS.
Republicans fought him tooth and nail every inch. They are owned by those billionaires who weren't ready to stop fucking the American public and they did all they could to stop him. They refused to let those tax cuts expire, they called his overhaul of health insurance "socialism" and spread fear about "death panels" and concentration camps that FEMA wasn't building.
They demonized gay community and convinced unemployed people that they should vote for a party that would cut off their unemployment insurance payments or else the gays would be able to get married. They called college students asking for birth control "sluts."
So... I'll sum up in point form.
1) The economic disaster is the fault of the Republican Party. It pre-dates the presidency of Barack Obama.
2) If you voted for George W Bush, this is also YOUR fault. You must own it. I didn't pee in your pants, either. That's all on you.
3) How about you shut your pie hole and let president Obama continue to clean up the mess you made before you whine about how those mean old gays and immigrants and women who didn't want to give birth to their rapist's babies are being mean to you.
*Put that in your pipe and smoke it*
it is about time someone broke it down like that!
that said, we gave obama the ball again, so it is on him to be a fighter and fix it and not be intimidated by the weakened gop. that party is splintered and it is time that obama and reid be the leaders we want them to be.
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Just one question - what is 4 years of blaming Bush if not scapegoating?
OK, I'll break it down for you.
"scapegoating" is when you fictionally blame someone for something they didn't to. Or you blame them for something you set them up to take the blame FOR.
If you were in a coma in 2008, I'll give you a short history lesson. George W Bush gave the top earners "tax cuts" as a present for the economic growth and prosperity brought in by the Clinton years. He said it was because they were "job creators," even though those jobs weren't created until Bill Clinton raised those taxes to the level they were at.
George W Bush then lied to the American people and the Senate and House about "weapons of mass destruction" and the "axis of evil" and tricked them into an un-winnable war with Iraq, started a necessary but poorly-executed and astronomically expensive war with Afghanistan and then rewarded his Vice President's old company with "no-bid" contracts that paid out absurd amounts of money and hired mercenaries to do the dirty work of exterminating civilians (so they could blame the atrocities on them and not the military).
Adding to that, he passed a prescription drugs bill he had no way to pay for, spent money on all sorts of money wasting bullshit and when he left office in January of 2009, we were losing 800,000 jobs PER MONTH and the US economy was so close to total collapse that we literally could have been the next Somalia. And I'm not really exaggerating there.
The catastrophic clusterfuck in which we found ourselves was deeper than any time since the 1930s. And because of many factors that didn't exist at the time... the result could have been MUCH worse than the Great Depression. Much worse.
The problem wasn't an easy fix. It was systematic down to the core of the banking industry, the housing industry and even the corrupt corporations that scammed the people out of trillions of dollars. Those have to be gutted and rebuilt.
That black hole would have taken years to climb out of no matter WHO was sitting in the oval office. And as luck would have it, we didn't have someone who was owned by the banks or the oil corporations or the Koch brothers... so he slowly started to rebuild our system. It's working but it's going to take a VERY long time to fix. You don't get that fucked up over night and you don't fix that problem with a couple tax cuts, closing a few women's reproductive clinics and shutting down PBS.
Republicans fought him tooth and nail every inch. They are owned by those billionaires who weren't ready to stop fucking the American public and they did all they could to stop him. They refused to let those tax cuts expire, they called his overhaul of health insurance "socialism" and spread fear about "death panels" and concentration camps that FEMA wasn't building.
They demonized gay community and convinced unemployed people that they should vote for a party that would cut off their unemployment insurance payments or else the gays would be able to get married. They called college students asking for birth control "sluts."
So... I'll sum up in point form.
1) The economic disaster is the fault of the Republican Party. It pre-dates the presidency of Barack Obama.
2) If you voted for George W Bush, this is also YOUR fault. You must own it. I didn't pee in your pants, either. That's all on you.
3) How about you shut your pie hole and let president Obama continue to clean up the mess you made before you whine about how those mean old gays and immigrants and women who didn't want to give birth to their rapist's babies are being mean to you.
I really want to hear a response to this charge. I bumped it thinking perhaps one was being formulated. It should be good!
3) How about you shut your pie hole and let president Obama continue to clean up the mess you made before you whine about how those mean old gays and immigrants and women who didn't want to give birth to their rapist's babies are being mean to you.
Well, you sure told me. Didn't you?
Why does everything come down to that for you? You paint everyone with such broad strokes, that it's actually funny to read what you write. Nobody has been mean to me. As I've stated previously - I personally have done better the last 4 years, but that's not the point. I am also pro-choice, fine with rights for all citizens, but I do believe in LEGAL immigration (though, I'm not AGAINST immigrants - the left does like to paint a picture.). You are a very angry man.
It's equally obvious you don't want to hear facts, but rather liberal talking points. Here's one fact I will leave you with:
The collapse was centered around the housing market bubble. This was created by the Clinton policy of everyone must own a house even if they couldn't afford it (And yes, Bush did nothing to abate this, so he is culpable as well).
Furthermore, if you want to believe 2008 was worse than 1980, there's no discussion to be had. One thing I'm fine with is letting Obama do what he does the next 4 years (not that I have any choice). Hopefully, he achieves what he laid out in the latest campaign - oops!!!
Thank you and good luck.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
"scapegoating" is when you fictionally blame someone for something they didn't to. Or you blame them for something you set them up to take the blame FOR.
If you were in a coma in 2008, I'll give you a short history lesson. George W Bush gave the top earners "tax cuts" as a present for the economic growth and prosperity brought in by the Clinton years. He said it was because they were "job creators," even though those jobs weren't created until Bill Clinton raised those taxes to the level they were at.
George W Bush then lied to the American people and the Senate and House about "weapons of mass destruction" and the "axis of evil" and tricked them into an un-winnable war with Iraq, started a necessary but poorly-executed and astronomically expensive war with Afghanistan and then rewarded his Vice President's old company with "no-bid" contracts that paid out absurd amounts of money and hired mercenaries to do the dirty work of exterminating civilians (so they could blame the atrocities on them and not the military).
Adding to that, he passed a prescription drugs bill he had no way to pay for, spent money on all sorts of money wasting bullshit and when he left office in January of 2009, we were losing 800,000 jobs PER MONTH and the US economy was so close to total collapse that we literally could have been the next Somalia. And I'm not really exaggerating there.
The catastrophic clusterfuck in which we found ourselves was deeper than any time since the 1930s. And because of many factors that didn't exist at the time... the result could have been MUCH worse than the Great Depression. Much worse.
The problem wasn't an easy fix. It was systematic down to the core of the banking industry, the housing industry and even the corrupt corporations that scammed the people out of trillions of dollars. Those have to be gutted and rebuilt.
That black hole would have taken years to climb out of no matter WHO was sitting in the oval office. And as luck would have it, we didn't have someone who was owned by the banks or the oil corporations or the Koch brothers... so he slowly started to rebuild our system. It's working but it's going to take a VERY long time to fix. You don't get that fucked up over night and you don't fix that problem with a couple tax cuts, closing a few women's reproductive clinics and shutting down PBS.
Republicans fought him tooth and nail every inch. They are owned by those billionaires who weren't ready to stop fucking the American public and they did all they could to stop him. They refused to let those tax cuts expire, they called his overhaul of health insurance "socialism" and spread fear about "death panels" and concentration camps that FEMA wasn't building.
They demonized gay community and convinced unemployed people that they should vote for a party that would cut off their unemployment insurance payments or else the gays would be able to get married. They called college students asking for birth control "sluts."
So... I'll sum up in point form.
1) The economic disaster is the fault of the Republican Party. It pre-dates the presidency of Barack Obama.
2) If you voted for George W Bush, this is also YOUR fault. You must own it. I didn't pee in your pants, either. That's all on you.
3) How about you shut your pie hole and let president Obama continue to clean up the mess you made before you whine about how those mean old gays and immigrants and women who didn't want to give birth to their rapist's babies are being mean to you.
Not directed at me but I'll give it a go...
Scapegoating - certainly some truth to things being the fault of the previous administration. But the extreme to which people blame bush and all the conspiracy theories are just plain nuts.
"Economic prosperity brought in under Clinton" AND the republican congress. BUt, as I mentioned, the housing bubble and the Dot Com bubble (both burst with dramatic negative effects to be dealt with by other presidents) certainly played a part, no?
Now onto your points:
1) Slightly over simplified. And when I say slightly I mean ridiculously. Started with Clinton, GW screwed us with the wars... Lots of blame to go around, not just GW.
2) I voted for GW, and I agree some of this is my fault as well. Though, if we are honest, my guess is it wouldn't have been all rainbows and puppy dogs with the other guys. And, again, as I said, if you voted for CLinton, you may have actually helped start this mess. Well, likely not started as elements of it have been around awhile, but you certainly own a huge heaping teaspoon full as well. So, if you are ready to stop blaming others we can move on, because while understanding root cause is important, blaming is not.
3) Great point here. Didn't have anymore points huh?
oh man just turn on faux news.. it's a shit storm.
Haven't heard anything there, but it doesn't seem to hard to figure out. The republicans, in my opinion, lost because they spent too much time talking about taking people's "rights" away and not enough time focuses on the crappy economy.
Get rid of the crazies. If Romney had been able to run the same campaign throughout...not pandering to the religious right wackos I thin he not only get smore votes, he ends up with enough electoral votes to be president.
And while I am for being pretty tough on illegal immigration, apparently the complete failure of this over the last several decades has created a situation where you can no longer be hard on it and get enough votes. I sure hope complete immigration reform is coming. We have to do something.
oh man just turn on faux news.. it's a shit storm.
Haven't heard anything there, but it doesn't seem to hard to figure out. The republicans, in my opinion, lost because they spent too much time talking about taking people's "rights" away and not enough time focuses on the crappy economy.
Get rid of the crazies. If Romney had been able to run the same campaign throughout...not pandering to the religious right wackos I thin he not only get smore votes, he ends up with enough electoral votes to be president.
And while I am for being pretty tough on illegal immigration, apparently the complete failure of this over the last several decades has created a situation where you can no longer be hard on it and get enough votes. I sure hope complete immigration reform is coming. We have to do something.
If types like donalad trump, pat robertson, todd akin etc etc keep defining the GOP they will lose by a lot more in 2016.. The nail in the coffin for me I think was the 47% comment.. it showed such lack of compassion and empathy towards a large chunk of society.
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If types like donalad trump, pat robertson, todd akin etc etc keep defining the GOP they will lose by a lot more in 2016.. The nail in the coffin for me I think was the 47% comment.. it showed such lack of compassion and empathy towards a large chunk of society.
That was really twisted just like when Obama said "you didn't build that" to entrepreneurs
just words taken out of context and depending on who one supported
understanding was then applied or not.
If types like donalad trump, pat robertson, todd akin etc etc keep defining the GOP they will lose by a lot more in 2016.. The nail in the coffin for me I think was the 47% comment.. it showed such lack of compassion and empathy towards a large chunk of society.
That was really twisted just like when Obama said "you didn't build that" to entrepreneurs
just words taken out of context and depending on who one supported
understanding was then applied or not.
You think Romney empathizes with those struggling in America? He was the most out of touch American since Montgomery Burns. Romney's whole speech was about how he thought those on welfare were lazy and dependent.. Obama said 'you didn't built that.. you got help from others".. kinda different.
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1) Slightly over simplified. And when I say slightly I mean ridiculously. Started with Clinton, GW screwed us with the wars... Lots of blame to go around, not just GW.
2) I voted for GW, and I agree some of this is my fault as well. Though, if we are honest, my guess is it wouldn't have been all rainbows and puppy dogs with the other guys. And, again, as I said, if you voted for CLinton, you may have actually helped start this mess. Well, likely not started as elements of it have been around awhile, but you certainly own a huge heaping teaspoon full as well. So, if you are ready to stop blaming others we can move on, because while understanding root cause is important, blaming is not.
3) Great point here. Didn't have anymore points huh?
I think you need to go back farther than Clinton. We all need to realize that the same special interests are paying off both major parties and we've been suckered into thinking there is a huge difference between the two. There may be on social issues, but when it comes to fucking the US taxpayer, they aren't that different at all.
The collapse was centered around the housing market bubble. This was created by the Clinton policy of everyone must own a house even if they couldn't afford it (And yes, Bush did nothing to abate this, so he is culpable as well).
And yet... you seemed to be blaming it on the current president.
(and the housing bubble certainly was a massive thud at the bottom of the pit, but it's what finally showed us just how fucked we were.)
1) Slightly over simplified. And when I say slightly I mean ridiculously. Started with Clinton, GW screwed us with the wars... Lots of blame to go around, not just GW.
How did it start with Clinton? We were in such great shape that we had a surplus.
2) I voted for GW, and I agree some of this is my fault as well. Though, if we are honest, my guess is it wouldn't have been all rainbows and puppy dogs with the other guys. And, again, as I said, if you voted for CLinton, you may have actually helped start this mess. Well, likely not started as elements of it have been around awhile, but you certainly own a huge heaping teaspoon full as well. So, if you are ready to stop blaming others we can move on, because while understanding root cause is important, blaming is not.
I'm just fine to not blame others and move forward. But only when people stop going on about how the horrible economy has been going for the last four years thanks to the current president.
3) Great point here. Didn't have anymore points huh?
I think the point that the president has been working to turn the economy around and having to hear people complain about how it didn't happen fast enough when they themselves voted for the person who caused it... raises my ire.
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*Put that in your pipe and smoke it*
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makes all the decisions while they are in office?
That Bush during his eight years worked entirely by himself to fuck everything up?
That absolutely no one else was to blame nor any events out of his control
were to blame for the state of the economy etc?
Gee I always thought of the President as a figurehead kind of like a puppet
beholding to real power that is not in the form of one person.
I'm dying to hear what the response is to this.
Wait... aren't you against Obamacare because it makes health insurance mandatory?
that said, we gave obama the ball again, so it is on him to be a fighter and fix it and not be intimidated by the weakened gop. that party is splintered and it is time that obama and reid be the leaders we want them to be.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I really want to hear a response to this charge. I bumped it thinking perhaps one was being formulated. It should be good!
Why does everything come down to that for you? You paint everyone with such broad strokes, that it's actually funny to read what you write. Nobody has been mean to me. As I've stated previously - I personally have done better the last 4 years, but that's not the point. I am also pro-choice, fine with rights for all citizens, but I do believe in LEGAL immigration (though, I'm not AGAINST immigrants - the left does like to paint a picture.). You are a very angry man.
It's equally obvious you don't want to hear facts, but rather liberal talking points. Here's one fact I will leave you with:
The collapse was centered around the housing market bubble. This was created by the Clinton policy of everyone must own a house even if they couldn't afford it (And yes, Bush did nothing to abate this, so he is culpable as well).
Furthermore, if you want to believe 2008 was worse than 1980, there's no discussion to be had. One thing I'm fine with is letting Obama do what he does the next 4 years (not that I have any choice). Hopefully, he achieves what he laid out in the latest campaign - oops!!!
Thank you and good luck.
Not directed at me but I'll give it a go...
Scapegoating - certainly some truth to things being the fault of the previous administration. But the extreme to which people blame bush and all the conspiracy theories are just plain nuts.
"Economic prosperity brought in under Clinton" AND the republican congress. BUt, as I mentioned, the housing bubble and the Dot Com bubble (both burst with dramatic negative effects to be dealt with by other presidents) certainly played a part, no?
Now onto your points:
1) Slightly over simplified. And when I say slightly I mean ridiculously. Started with Clinton, GW screwed us with the wars... Lots of blame to go around, not just GW.
2) I voted for GW, and I agree some of this is my fault as well. Though, if we are honest, my guess is it wouldn't have been all rainbows and puppy dogs with the other guys. And, again, as I said, if you voted for CLinton, you may have actually helped start this mess. Well, likely not started as elements of it have been around awhile, but you certainly own a huge heaping teaspoon full as well. So, if you are ready to stop blaming others we can move on, because while understanding root cause is important, blaming is not.
3) Great point here. Didn't have anymore points huh?
The dust hasn't even settled yet.
oh man just turn on faux news.. it's a shit storm.
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Haven't heard anything there, but it doesn't seem to hard to figure out. The republicans, in my opinion, lost because they spent too much time talking about taking people's "rights" away and not enough time focuses on the crappy economy.
Get rid of the crazies. If Romney had been able to run the same campaign throughout...not pandering to the religious right wackos I thin he not only get smore votes, he ends up with enough electoral votes to be president.
And while I am for being pretty tough on illegal immigration, apparently the complete failure of this over the last several decades has created a situation where you can no longer be hard on it and get enough votes. I sure hope complete immigration reform is coming. We have to do something.
If types like donalad trump, pat robertson, todd akin etc etc keep defining the GOP they will lose by a lot more in 2016.. The nail in the coffin for me I think was the 47% comment.. it showed such lack of compassion and empathy towards a large chunk of society.
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just words taken out of context and depending on who one supported
understanding was then applied or not.
You think Romney empathizes with those struggling in America? He was the most out of touch American since Montgomery Burns. Romney's whole speech was about how he thought those on welfare were lazy and dependent.. Obama said 'you didn't built that.. you got help from others".. kinda different.
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I think you need to go back farther than Clinton. We all need to realize that the same special interests are paying off both major parties and we've been suckered into thinking there is a huge difference between the two. There may be on social issues, but when it comes to fucking the US taxpayer, they aren't that different at all.
And yet... you seemed to be blaming it on the current president.
(and the housing bubble certainly was a massive thud at the bottom of the pit, but it's what finally showed us just how fucked we were.)
How did it start with Clinton? We were in such great shape that we had a surplus.
I'm just fine to not blame others and move forward. But only when people stop going on about how the horrible economy has been going for the last four years thanks to the current president.
I think the point that the president has been working to turn the economy around and having to hear people complain about how it didn't happen fast enough when they themselves voted for the person who caused it... raises my ire.