"People vote Obama because they want stuff"

jimed14

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

How large would you like the deficit to be?

the deficit is about 2 billion dollars lower than it was 4 years ago.

First - funny how the talking points guy picked 1 piece of my comment to quote and address.

And, what are you looking at? 2013 projections that are based on the sequestration (sp?) that will never happen?

2008 Deficit - $469 Billion
2012 Deficit - $1.1 Trillion (with a TR)

Can you please provide where you got that data from?

As far as I can tell, the last budget Bush submitted for 2009 was over a Trillion in deficit, and Obama has not been able to lower it below a trillion, but, it has come down each of the last three years ... which is at least going in the right direction.

It's still way the fudge out of control regardless if you lean Dem or Rep ... but, I think your selective annual choices skew the story just a bit.

Here's hoping getting out of one war and potentially a second war will help.

polaris_x

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Find a single person who votes based on Vice President anyway (not that it's relevant, but that's what you keep bringing up).

sarah palin!?

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

If you believe 1 thing is so important that you wouldn't vote for a candidate that held all the other same beliefs as you except for that 1 issue...then I think that makes someone a 1 issue voter.

so then... how come I voted for Barak Obama in 2008 when he didn't support marriage equality?

How come I voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger who at the time ALSO didn't?

I also voted for John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton (twice) and Michael Dukakis.

and when I voted for them... none of them supported Marriage Equality.

gimmesometruth27

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

If you believe 1 thing is so important that you wouldn't vote for a candidate that held all the other same beliefs as you except for that 1 issue...then I think that makes someone a 1 issue voter.

so then... how come I voted for Barak Obama in 2008 when he didn't support marriage equality?

How come I voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger who at the time ALSO didn't?

I also voted for John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton (twice) and Michael Dukakis.

and when I voted for them... none of them supported Marriage Equality.

ummmm,

logic would tell me that you are not a single issue voter...but that is based on not only reading your posts, but if you voted for someone who did not support your most important issue, there had to be other reasons to vote for them.

Prince Of Dorkness

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Outlaw? Wow.

Why are you laughing? You think it's funny that Paul Ryan wanted to outlaw forms of birth control? Because he does.

Find a single person who votes based on Vice President anyway .

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

If you believe 1 thing is so important that you wouldn't vote for a candidate that held all the other same beliefs as you except for that 1 issue...then I think that makes someone a 1 issue voter.

so then... how come I voted for Barak Obama in 2008 when he didn't support marriage equality?

How come I voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger who at the time ALSO didn't?

I also voted for John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton (twice) and Michael Dukakis.

and when I voted for them... none of them supported Marriage Equality.

I didn;t say you were, I gave my interpretation of what a 1 issue voter was and that I don;t think it automatically is a bad thing. Then I asked you questions. It appears like for question #1 your answer is if both don;t support, I still vote for 1 of them based upon all the other issues.

I was just wondering about the completely hypothetical #2 situation. Where you disagree with someone so much but they support your #1 issue and the other candidate you agree with so much but doesn't support your #1 issue.

So please don't take offense, I'm just trying to learn. And of all #1 issues that would result in someone benig a single issue voter, civil right issues seem to make sense. Heck, no matter what you think about abortion, I could understand people on both sides making that a go-no go vote. I think it's silly because it's not going to change, but it I can see it.

Prince Of Dorkness

EdsonNascimento wrote:

funny how the talking points guy picked 1 piece of my comment to quote and address.

Yeah. the nerve of some people.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

I was just wondering about the completely hypothetical #2 situation. Where you disagree with someone so much but they support your #1 issue and the other candidate you agree with so much but doesn't support your #1 issue.

It's actually not completely hypothetical.

There are gay Republican candidates who support marriage equality but also support outlawing abortion, lowering taxes on business to "create jobs" and targeting Latinos with "papers please" laws and no... I do not support them.

I gave money to defeat the gay man running for mayor of San Diego, actually.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I was just wondering about the completely hypothetical #2 situation. Where you disagree with someone so much but they support your #1 issue and the other candidate you agree with so much but doesn't support your #1 issue.

It's actually not completely hypothetical.

There are gay Republican candidates who support marriage equality but also support outlawing abortion, lowering taxes on business to "create jobs" and targeting Latinos with "papers please" laws and no... I do not support them.

I gave money to defeat the gay man running for mayor of San Diego, actually.

Well there ya go. Thanks.

JimmyV

I voted for Obama and didn't even get an I VOTED sticker, never mind any "stuff".

Black Diamond

JimmyV wrote:

I voted for Obama and didn't even get an I VOTED sticker, never mind any "stuff".

Sucks for you, I got a beer cozy and a key chain.

JimmyV

Black Diamond wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I voted for Obama and didn't even get an I VOTED sticker, never mind any "stuff".

Sucks for you, I got a beer cozy and a key chain.

Then Fox is right, this Obama voter is jealous of your good fortune.

EdsonNascimento

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Outlaw? Wow.

Why are you laughing? You think it's funny that Paul Ryan wanted to outlaw forms of birth control? Because he does.

Find a single person who votes based on Vice President anyway .

Outlawing FORMS of birth control and outlawing birth control are 2 different things. And neither are happening, so why waste time on that?

As for Palin - really? There were Obama voters in 2008 that voted AGAINST Palin?

Again - the difference - I'm not saying folks don't dislike or are repulsed by a VP candidate. But, George Bush won with Dan Quayle and Barack Obama won with Joe Biden. Nobody's voting for or against a VP. There's plenty of studies out there on both sides that draw this conclusion pretty clearly.

JimmyV

EdsonNascimento wrote:

As for Palin - really? There were Obama voters in 2008 that voted AGAINST Palin?

I know of at least three.

EdsonNascimento

JimmyV wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

As for Palin - really? There were Obama voters in 2008 that voted AGAINST Palin?

I know of at least three.

What a wasted vote. Please tell me 3 things Joe Biden did last year.

cincybearcat

EdsonNascimento wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

As for Palin - really? There were Obama voters in 2008 that voted AGAINST Palin?

I know of at least three.

What a wasted vote. Please tell me 3 things Joe Biden did last year.

1) Say something stupid
2) Make a stupid face
3) ride a goddman train (give the man a medal)

JimmyV

EdsonNascimento wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

As for Palin - really? There were Obama voters in 2008 that voted AGAINST Palin?

I know of at least three.

What a wasted vote. Please tell me 3 things Joe Biden did last year.

I'm not one of the three but you are missing the point. McCain's health was a legitimate concern and the thought of her ascending to the Oval Office was terrifying to some.

And while I'm not sure I would ever vote for Biden at the top of the ticket, his ascension would not be nearly as scary.

EdsonNascimento

JimmyV wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I know of at least three.

What a wasted vote. Please tell me 3 things Joe Biden did last year.

I'm not one of the three but you are missing the point. McCain's health was a legitimate concern and the thought of her ascending to the Oval Office was terrifying to some.

And while I'm not sure I would ever vote for Biden at the top of the ticket, his ascension would not be nearly as scary.

So, in theory, you are saying, they were more worried about who would be President if the President died than the actual President if you voted?

That means one of 2 things:

1) They thought McCain was the better candidate than Obama, but fear of his health made them vote against this

2) They thought McCain and Obama were equal candidates and the tie breaker was who was more likely to die.

But, it definitely does not mean they thought Obama was the better candidate. Because, if they did, the VP is just icing for them. Not the REASON.

So, do your friends want to change their spoken reason to the real reason or just continue to sound like kooks?

JTH

JimmyV wrote:

I voted for Obama and didn't even get an I VOTED sticker, never mind any "stuff".

Did you at least get a receipt?

I got a receipt.

JimmyV

EdsonNascimento wrote:

So, in theory, you are saying, they were more worried about who would be President if the President died than the actual President if you voted?

That means one of 2 things:

1) They thought McCain was the better candidate than Obama, but fear of his health made them vote against this

2) They thought McCain and Obama were equal candidates and the tie breaker was who was more likely to die.

But, it definitely does not mean they thought Obama was the better candidate. Because, if they did, the VP is just icing for them. Not the REASON.

So, do your friends want to change their spoken reason to the real reason or just continue to sound like kooks?

Not sure why this is so shocking to you. Also not sure the relevance of whether or not Obama was the better candidate in their minds. Again, these aren't my votes. But I do have three friends who were undecideds in the final days before the election - two independents, one Republican. Each of them stated after the fact that the deciding factor was a fear of putting Palin that close to the Presidency. You think that makes someone a kook. I 100% disagree.