RAPE PREGNANCIES 'SOMETHING THAT GOD INTENDED'

cincybearcat

riotgrl wrote:

How are you personally affected if a woman you don't even know has an abortion?

I'm also not personally affected by any of the shootings in school, so by that logic I shouldn't care? That's just weird.

riotgrl

cincybearcat wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

How are you personally affected if a woman you don't even know has an abortion?

I'm also not personally affected by any of the shootings in school, so by that logic I shouldn't care? That's just weird.

Care? No, I didn't say you shouldn't care. But why should you get to force your beliefs onto others? That's weird.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

How are you personally affected if a woman you don't even know has an abortion?

I'm also not personally affected by any of the shootings in school, so by that logic I shouldn't care? That's just weird.

School shootings affect LOTS of people in all kinds of ways. They affect policy, law, the education system, the death of students sends a ripple affect out into communities... such things affect communities as a whole, and therefore DO affect you by extension. Also, you KNOW about school shootings. No one knows a fetus, and no one knows when specific abortions happen. Also school shootings have nothing to do with women deciding what to do with their own bodies as opposed to the government deciding it for them. Totally different, and not at all comparable in this argument.

cincybearcat

riotgrl wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

How are you personally affected if a woman you don't even know has an abortion?

I'm also not personally affected by any of the shootings in school, so by that logic I shouldn't care? That's just weird.

Care? No, I didn't say you shouldn't care. But why should you get to force your beliefs onto others? That's weird.

If someone thinks murder is ok, why does society force their beliefs?

And why should someone force their beliefs on the unborn child?

Really, it comes down to what is a life and if both are lives which one takes precedence. But this discussion will likely go no where.

IN the event of the situations mentioned" mother's life at risk, Rape, incest - this conversation becomes much more difficult to have and that is why I would not vote to change abortion in those cases. I still think it's a life so rape and incest are some question marks for me, but the pain/suffering/etc that those situations place on the mother of the child make it difficult to distinguish (in my mind) which life takes precedence.

Some good comments on this thread though. It really bothers me when people discount the other sides point of view 100%. It also bothers me that people think if you are against abortion then you must be a religious nutjob.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

How are you personally affected if a woman you don't even know has an abortion?

I'm also not personally affected by any of the shootings in school, so by that logic I shouldn't care? That's just weird.

School shootings affect LOTS of people in all kinds of ways. They affect policy, law, the education system, the death of students sends a ripple affect out into communities... such things affect communities as a whole, and therefore DO affect you by extension. Also, you KNOW about school shootings. No one knows a fetus, and no one knows when specific abortions happen. Also school shootings have nothing to do with women deciding what to do with their own bodies as opposed to the government deciding it for them. Totally different, and not at all comparable in this argument.

I know you won't agree, but the systemic killing of unborn babies affects a hell of a lot. And if abortions were publicized it be different to. As school shooting that kilsl 1 kids that you don;t hear about on the news doesn;t affect you at all.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

It also bothers me that people think if you are against abortion then you must be a religious nutjob.

or that if you are pro-choice you are pro-murder

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm also not personally affected by any of the shootings in school, so by that logic I shouldn't care? That's just weird.

Care? No, I didn't say you shouldn't care. But why should you get to force your beliefs onto others? That's weird.

If someone thinks murder is ok, why does society force their beliefs?

And why should someone force their beliefs on the unborn child?

Really, it comes down to what is a life and if both are lives which one takes precedence. But this discussion will likely go no where.

IN the event of the situations mentioned" mother's life at risk, Rape, incest - this conversation becomes much more difficult to have and that is why I would not vote to change abortion in those cases. I still think it's a life so rape and incest are some question marks for me, but the pain/suffering/etc that those situations place on the mother of the child make it difficult to distinguish (in my mind) which life takes precedence.

Some good comments on this thread though. It really bothers me when people discount the other sides point of view 100%. It also bothers me that people think if you are against abortion then you must be a religious nutjob.

Because the murder of another person does not have anything to do with someone choosing what does and doesn't GROW INSIDE OF THEIR BODY. It's not a difficult concept. The death/murder of people is simply not relateable to abortion. They can't be compared.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm also not personally affected by any of the shootings in school, so by that logic I shouldn't care? That's just weird.

School shootings affect LOTS of people in all kinds of ways. They affect policy, law, the education system, the death of students sends a ripple affect out into communities... such things affect communities as a whole, and therefore DO affect you by extension. Also, you KNOW about school shootings. No one knows a fetus, and no one knows when specific abortions happen. Also school shootings have nothing to do with women deciding what to do with their own bodies as opposed to the government deciding it for them. Totally different, and not at all comparable in this argument.

I know you won't agree, but the systemic killing of unborn babies affects a hell of a lot. And if abortions were publicized it be different to. As school shooting that kilsl 1 kids that you don;t hear about on the news doesn;t affect you at all.

Sure it does. It affects policies within school systems, the law enforcement system, it creates fear among parents generally, it becomes addressed within the mental health community, etc etc.
How do you figure that is abortion "systemic", exactly? And how does a woman getting an abortion affect you? I don't understand. If it were publicized... eerrr... :? And even if it did affect you, how does that trump a woman deciding on what is inside her own body?

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

It also bothers me that people think if you are against abortion then you must be a religious nutjob.

or that if you are pro-choice you are pro-murder

Yep, that's true.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

It also bothers me that people think if you are against abortion then you must be a religious nutjob.

or that if you are pro-choice you are pro-murder

Yep, that's true.

Uh, no.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul wrote:

The death/murder of people is simply not relateable to abortion. They can't be compared.

Well, that is your opinion. And if I thought that I'd probably be pro-choice too. But in my opinion, I don;t see hwo they are any different.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul wrote:

Uh, no.

Uh yes.. I think you misunderstood or I wasn;t clear enough.

I was saying I agree with him.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

The death/murder of people is simply not relateable to abortion. They can't be compared.

Well, that is your opinion. And if I thought that I'd probably be pro-choice too. But in my opinion, I don;t see hwo they are any different.

Mother nature doesn't even dictate that first term fetuses are a viable form of life. Half of them just miscarry. WAY more fetuses miscarry than are aborted. I mean, way WAAAAY more. So why aren't you people in constant mourning about all those deaths? And why aren't you out on the streets protesting the death of all of those people killed in American wars? ... And where are you when girls die from back-alley abortions, btw? Anti-abortionists sure do seem to have selective sensitivities.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Uh, no.

Uh yes.. I think you misunderstood or I wasn;t clear enough.

I was saying I agree with him.

Yes, sorry, I misunderstood that.... although.... if you think abortion is murder, then don't you think that pro-choicers are pro-murder?

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Uh, no.

Uh yes.. I think you misunderstood or I wasn;t clear enough.

I was saying I agree with him.

Yes, sorry, I misunderstood that.... although.... if you think abortion is murder, then don't you think that pro-choicers are pro-murder?

Well, honestly, I use to. But now I think they have a difference of opinion on what is life, and all that other jazz and I'm willing to admit that maybe I'm not right, even though I really think I am.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul wrote:

Mother nature doesn't even dictate that first term fetuses are a viable form of life. Half of them just miscarry. WAY more fetuses miscarry than are aborted. I mean, way WAAAAY more. So why aren't you people in constant mourning about all those deaths? And why aren't you out on the streets protesting the death of all of those people killed in American wars? ... And where are you when girls die from back-alley abortions, btw? Anti-abortionists sure do seem to have selective sensitivities.

Well, I can see that the constructive part of this conversation has ended. So, have a nice day.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Mother nature doesn't even dictate that first term fetuses are a viable form of life. Half of them just miscarry. WAY more fetuses miscarry than are aborted. I mean, way WAAAAY more. So why aren't you people in constant mourning about all those deaths? And why aren't you out on the streets protesting the death of all of those people killed in American wars? ... And where are you when girls die from back-alley abortions, btw? Anti-abortionists sure do seem to have selective sensitivities.

Well, I can see that the constructive part of this conversation has ended. So, have a nice day.

Really?? I think I made a perfectly reasonable point. :?

polaris_x

like i said ... futile ...

PJ_Soul

polaris_x wrote:

like i said ... futile ...

What is?

riotgrl

cincybearcat wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm also not personally affected by any of the shootings in school, so by that logic I shouldn't care? That's just weird.

Care? No, I didn't say you shouldn't care. But why should you get to force your beliefs onto others? That's weird.

If someone thinks murder is ok, why does society force their beliefs?

And why should someone force their beliefs on the unborn child?

Really, it comes down to what is a life and if both are lives which one takes precedence. But this discussion will likely go no where.

IN the event of the situations mentioned" mother's life at risk, Rape, incest - this conversation becomes much more difficult to have and that is why I would not vote to change abortion in those cases. I still think it's a life so rape and incest are some question marks for me, but the pain/suffering/etc that those situations place on the mother of the child make it difficult to distinguish (in my mind) which life takes precedence.

Some good comments on this thread though. It really bothers me when people discount the other sides point of view 100%. It also bothers me that people think if you are against abortion then you must be a religious nutjob.

How does society force its beliefs on people, especially in regards to abortion? No one is forcing you to get an abortion. You aren't required to condone it by participating in getting one. If you're a doctor you are not required to work at a facility that provides abortion services. What is being stated is that we (the collective) think it's wrong and no one should be given an abortion because we (the collective) think it's wrong.

And by the way, I don't think that just because someone opposes abortion that they are a religious nutjob. I don't know anyone that thinks abortions are a good idea just that people that are usually labeled pro-choice don't think it is their place to deny a woman that option.