RAPE PREGNANCIES 'SOMETHING THAT GOD INTENDED'
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Richard Mourdock On Abortion: Pregnancy From Rape Is 'Something God Intended' (UPDATE)
WASHINGTON -- Indiana GOP U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock declared Tuesday night he opposes aborting pregnancies conceived in rape because "it is something that God intended to happen."
Debating Rep. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) in their final Senate race showdown, a questioner asked them and Libertarian candidate Andrew Horning to explain their views on abortion.
All three said they were anti-abortion. But Mourdock went the further, putting himself in territory near Missouri GOP Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin, the anti-abortion congressman who infamously asserted that women don't get pregnant from "legitimate rape."
"The only exception I have to have an abortion is in the case of the life of the mother," said Mourdock, the Tea Party-backed state treasurer. "I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."
Mourdock unseated veteran Republican Sen. Richard Lugar in the May primary, and has battled Donnelly for the longtime senator's supporters since. Abortion has been a touchy issue for the candidates, with Mourdock accusing Donnelly of lacking strength on the issue because Donnelly backed the health care reform law. Donnelly has criticized a requirement that ensures women can get birth control, even when their employer objects to contraception.
"I believe in pro-life," Donnelly said, carving out somewhat more moderate anti-abortion stance. "I believe that life begins at conception. The only exceptions I believe in are for rape, incest and the life a mother."
Horning argued that the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision was unconstitutional, and that abortion issues should be state matters.
UPDATE: 10:20 p.m. -- GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who has endorsed Mourdock and supports him in a campaign ad that began running in Indiana on Tuesday, took issue with Mourdock's abortion comments, a spokeswoman said.
"Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock's comments, and they do not reflect his views," Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said.
UPDATE: 9:55 p.m. --
Mourdock tried to clarify his comments soon after the debate, saying God does not intend sexual assaults.
"God creates life, and that was my point," Mourdock said in a statement. "God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that He does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick."
Nevertheless, Democrats jumped on the comments as further proof that Murdock is an extremist.
"I think rape is a heinous and violent crime in every instance," said Donnelly in his own statement. "The God I believe in and the God I know most Hoosiers believe in, does not intend for rape to happen -- ever. What Mr. Mourdock said is shocking, and it is stunning that he would be so disrespectful to survivors of rape."
"Richard Mourdock's disturbing comment about rape is a window into Mourdock's extreme view of the world, " said Shripal Shah, spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. "Indiana can't afford to send a self-proclaimed 'zealot' and Tea Partier like Richard Mourdock to the Senate."
Mourdock has been trying to soften some of his postions for the general election after running on a platform that described compromise as when Democrats came to agree with him.
Horning had argued earlier in the debate that Mourdock should stick with the harder line.
"As I was reading about the extreme stands of Richard Mourdock I was thinking, 'Hey, there's hope for this guy.' A lot of the stuff that he said was correct," Horning said, referring to Mourdock's suggestions that entitlement programs such as Medicare and Social Security may not be constitutional.
"He has repudiated a lot of those statements. Some of it was about the unconstitutionality ... right on," Horning said. "We need somebody who is going to stick with principles."
Richard Mourdock On Abortion: Pregnancy From Rape Is 'Something God Intended' (UPDATE)
WASHINGTON -- Indiana GOP U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock declared Tuesday night he opposes aborting pregnancies conceived in rape because "it is something that God intended to happen."
Debating Rep. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) in their final Senate race showdown, a questioner asked them and Libertarian candidate Andrew Horning to explain their views on abortion.
All three said they were anti-abortion. But Mourdock went the further, putting himself in territory near Missouri GOP Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin, the anti-abortion congressman who infamously asserted that women don't get pregnant from "legitimate rape."
"The only exception I have to have an abortion is in the case of the life of the mother," said Mourdock, the Tea Party-backed state treasurer. "I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."
Mourdock unseated veteran Republican Sen. Richard Lugar in the May primary, and has battled Donnelly for the longtime senator's supporters since. Abortion has been a touchy issue for the candidates, with Mourdock accusing Donnelly of lacking strength on the issue because Donnelly backed the health care reform law. Donnelly has criticized a requirement that ensures women can get birth control, even when their employer objects to contraception.
"I believe in pro-life," Donnelly said, carving out somewhat more moderate anti-abortion stance. "I believe that life begins at conception. The only exceptions I believe in are for rape, incest and the life a mother."
Horning argued that the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision was unconstitutional, and that abortion issues should be state matters.
UPDATE: 10:20 p.m. -- GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who has endorsed Mourdock and supports him in a campaign ad that began running in Indiana on Tuesday, took issue with Mourdock's abortion comments, a spokeswoman said.
"Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock's comments, and they do not reflect his views," Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said.
UPDATE: 9:55 p.m. --
Mourdock tried to clarify his comments soon after the debate, saying God does not intend sexual assaults.
"God creates life, and that was my point," Mourdock said in a statement. "God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that He does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick."
Nevertheless, Democrats jumped on the comments as further proof that Murdock is an extremist.
"I think rape is a heinous and violent crime in every instance," said Donnelly in his own statement. "The God I believe in and the God I know most Hoosiers believe in, does not intend for rape to happen -- ever. What Mr. Mourdock said is shocking, and it is stunning that he would be so disrespectful to survivors of rape."
"Richard Mourdock's disturbing comment about rape is a window into Mourdock's extreme view of the world, " said Shripal Shah, spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. "Indiana can't afford to send a self-proclaimed 'zealot' and Tea Partier like Richard Mourdock to the Senate."
Mourdock has been trying to soften some of his postions for the general election after running on a platform that described compromise as when Democrats came to agree with him.
Horning had argued earlier in the debate that Mourdock should stick with the harder line.
"As I was reading about the extreme stands of Richard Mourdock I was thinking, 'Hey, there's hope for this guy.' A lot of the stuff that he said was correct," Horning said, referring to Mourdock's suggestions that entitlement programs such as Medicare and Social Security may not be constitutional.
"He has repudiated a lot of those statements. Some of it was about the unconstitutionality ... right on," Horning said. "We need somebody who is going to stick with principles."
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the christian right have really done a number on the republicans.
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You would have thought the GOP would have sent out a letter that told Republicans exactly what they should say in regards to abortion, but apparently not.
My gut is that Donnelly wins.
Tea Party should have stuck with fiscal conservative ideals instead of being hijacked into the social conservative ideals.
As the years go on, sooner or later the GOP has to redefine its platform. Clinging to the social platform of the past is a hole in their hull which will sink the ship in good time.
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But if you truly believe that it is a life...and you believe abortion is murder...while rape is bad, murder is worse. So I understand the sentiment.
I've thought about these situations for some time. Life of the mother at risk? That's an easy one. Up to her. Rape and incest are far more difficult. It most certainly puts emotional and physical stress on a woman if abortion is not an option. But on the other hand, why punish someone that is innocent for the crimes of another? That same statement could probably be argued effectively by both sides actually.
But, I do think the immediate "outrage" and backlash from some stifle the discussion which is very important. It's far better to use soundbites and take comments out of context to win your election then it is to have a serious discussion about the issues.
When it comes down to it I flip-flop on my position from time to time. Right now, I'd say that I would not fight against abortion being legal in case where the mother's life is at risk, rape, or incest. But it is still a struggle to come to terms with that for me. Kinda feels hypocritical.
what makes murder worse than rape? ... knowing that rape is a contributing factor to suicide - it would lead one to ascertain that for many women rape is worse than murder ...
in any case - i feel like this topic is nearly impossible to have a frank discussion about because the conditions by which people front their opinions is so vastly different ... for you - life begins at conception ... and abortion is murder ... well, there really isn't much to discuss if i disagree with both of your positions ...
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From Mitt denouncing this I gather he is not one who thinks this and
it's a good thing that most do not.
Well, you pose a good question and that is why I think there is still value in the discussion. Perhaps even if it is murder, it is not as bad as the emotional stress, physical stress and the possibility of basically ruining more lives and even suicide as you mention.
But I also think there is value in the discussion because the laws should reflect society and we need all opinions. And in reality we should be more focused on how we stop these pregnancies so we have less and less to argue about.
Yeah, and this is obviously unique to Romney. :roll:
Not to mention you are wrong, didn;t you read it?
"UPDATE: 10:20 p.m. -- GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who has endorsed Mourdock and supports him in a campaign ad that began running in Indiana on Tuesday, took issue with Mourdock's abortion comments, a spokeswoman said.
"Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock's comments, and they do not reflect his views," Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said."
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ya ... i pretty much feel like the abortion debate is futile ... there just simply isn't enough "facts" that opposing viewpoints can agree upon to formulate a discussion ...
both candidates do this.. but especially the nominee that went through a primary.. Romney had to be really conservative to win the republican primary and now has gone to the middle to win the presidential election (or try to). He is a typical republican but now has ventured to the middle to get the undecided to vote for him.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i don't see romney demanding that the ad that he did be pulled...
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Why?
this ad could be politically damaging to romney.
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I think I'm just more disturbed by the trend of making this a political issue. It's been going on since the 90s, which is interesting because abortion was legalized throughout the U.S. in 1973. It took a couple of decades for people to start screaming about it.
I think it is definitely futile. It is entirely based on ones sense of morality and emotions.
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Abortion was still illegal when I was a teenager. When I was 17 my best friend had an abortion. It was pretty horrible. I stayed angry about that for a long time. I didn't understand about the politics or whatever, I just knew my friend shouldn't have had to go through that. It also really shook me up and made me think about abortion in a concrete way. So I think abortion is terrible, yet I think it should be safe, legal, and available--and rarely needed.
I was also a rape crisis volunteer in the 80s. One year, 3 young women killed themselves after becoming pregnant by their rapist. Each of them came from very religious families who felt that abortion wasn't an option. Their deaths made me angry and sad.
My friend who was pro-life changed her views somewhere along the way. She came to see other people in the movement as strident and forcing their ways on others. I don't know if you'd call her pro-choice now, but she feels like reasonable, intelligent people can hold differing viewpoints and still get along. I think that's awesome.
Man, this is sad and why their is no discussion and only blame throwing. You say something, and it sounds bad, but if you think about it, it's not that bad just said poorly. And gimme thinks you should be gone! Sad indeed.
"I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."
Why would he think life created in a rape came from the devil? At the very least he's being consistent in his theological viewpoint.
The title of the thread is misleading, formed in a way that makes this guy sound like he believes God made someone rape someone else. that's not what he said and you all know it.
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i don't think too many people think this guy says it's ok to rape ... i think most people are offended at the notion that religion/god is the premise by which he wants to prevent a woman from getting an abortion ...
But to get all that information out there would go over our 144 character attention span.
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