RAPE PREGNANCIES 'SOMETHING THAT GOD INTENDED'

Cosmo

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

riddle: I take a position on nothing so I can argue everything.

who am I?

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That guy from 'Silence Of The Lambs'... not whatizname... the 'It take position nothing in... or it gets the hose again' guy?

Zoso

Cosmo wrote:

The basic thing I don't get... How is God even in this equation?
Example: If God DID intend this pregnancy to happen... doesn't that mean that God is also involved with setting up the rape scenario?
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If so... doesn't that make God... well, kind of an asshole?

in short yes it would...

hedonist

Cosmo wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

riddle: I take a position on nothing so I can argue everything.

who am I?

...
That guy from 'Silence Of The Lambs'... not whatizname... the 'It take position nothing in... or it gets the hose again' guy?

I like to call him "the tucker" -


Pandora, it sounds like your sister WAS unselfish and that some beauty of life came from something horrific...but not everyone is that magnamimous. For some, it would be unfathomable, even unbearable, to carry within the product of violence, overpowering, and anger.

(also, may I say that there *are* other things/experiences/people etc. in life that teach us who and what are valuable - and not. I believe we're inherently about I-me-mine and are capable of moving past that when necessary. It doesn't take a child to get there.)

riotgrl

pandora wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

funny how you on the right are all about "get government out of my life" and "protecting the rights of the unborn", but what about the rights of the living, out of the womb, mother? why would rights of a fetus trump the rights of the woman carrying it?? this is the very definition of having government in your life.

This is something I really don't understand. First, how can you force your own moral and religious beliefs about abortion on another person? How are you personally affected if a woman you don't even know has an abortion? Second, if you live by those moral convictions, how can you support the abandonment of children after they are born? If you truly believe that life is sacred, why do we see so many children abandoned and abusend? Neglected and mistreated? Where is the outrage about children in high school that read on a 2nd grade level? It seems far easier to give lip service to the sacredness of life but then conveniently dismiss the child once it actually arrives.

Are you saying 'me' when you say 'you' ?

Cause that would be off base... I'm pro choice.

I pride myself though on trying to see and feel both sides of issues.

I will say that those defending new life, the right to live, are passionate.
It hasn't worked too well for them though forcing their beliefs on others
has it? Abortion is legal with millons of lives taken.

As far as how it affects them personally? How does it effect you when someone dies?
The unborn is a gift, innocent life.

Your other questions seem to point a finger at leaders letting down children
once they are here. Who can argue that? And I'm learning quite a bit
about the apathy in our social services which is a whole other stupid story.

No I was referencing the collective you, not you, Pandora. I agree, I see both sides as well but it is not for me to force others to do as I do.

As for our social service system, it is, undoubtedly, a hot mess. However, I disagree that it is apathy - at least not on the part of the social worker. Apathy on the part of our leaders, hell yes.

Cosmo

Zoso wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

The basic thing I don't get... How is God even in this equation?
Example: If God DID intend this pregnancy to happen... doesn't that mean that God is also involved with setting up the rape scenario?
...
If so... doesn't that make God... well, kind of an asshole?

in short yes it would...

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So, do people really think this is God's intent... to have rapes occur... so He can watch? (You know... because God sees all and is always watching and stuff...).
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Because... to me... and I'm not God... I'm thinking the RAPIST has a lot to do with it.

Zoso

Cosmo wrote:

Zoso wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

The basic thing I don't get... How is God even in this equation?
Example: If God DID intend this pregnancy to happen... doesn't that mean that God is also involved with setting up the rape scenario?
...
If so... doesn't that make God... well, kind of an asshole?

in short yes it would...

...
So, do people really think this is God's intent... to have rapes occur... so He can watch? (You know... because God sees all and is always watching and stuff...).
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Because... to me... and I'm not God... I'm thinking the RAPIST has a lot to do with it.

it makes it sound like they mean god intends rape and the child being born.. it's a terrible thing to think let alone say. It's an immoral thing to say thats for sure especially when ok well a baby being born is a natural great thing to occur but not when you take into the consideration that is was born rape. Makes me feel sad for the baby, the mother and the family.

riotgrl

PJ_Soul wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

the debate on abortion ...

No doubt...but I like to UNDERSTAND why someone thinks differently than I do and cincy has expressed his side pretty well. That's all I really want - not to change anyone's mind - not that it would happen anyway

Sometimes it happens; I know people who have changed their minds about very profound issues. I've changed my own mind about certain things myself (not on this issue, but others... I actually used to be a lot more right-thinking in terms of economic policy and some other issues, for instance) ... All I hope for is that those who think that abortions should be ILLEGAL would rethink their position. It really really bothers me that some people think it shouldn't be a choice that women can make about their own bodies if they need to. I don't think that debate is futile at all, and therefore, ANY argument relating to abortion isn't futile, since it is all relevant to how people approach the subject.

I grew up in a southern baptist household, all the way republican (although my parents on occasion did vote for a Democrat) and I worked in the financial sector for about 10 years so was a right leaning moderate. I have drastically changed my opinions over the course of the last 10 years, much to my family's dismay at times So yes, it can happen. However, I think a person has to have some profound experience, as I did, to change that position. Very few of us are open minded enough to accept another position on careful thought alone. Our emotions are to invested, as with this topic. Not futile, unlikely

comebackgirl

Zoso wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Zoso wrote:

in short yes it would...

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So, do people really think this is God's intent... to have rapes occur... so He can watch? (You know... because God sees all and is always watching and stuff...).
...
Because... to me... and I'm not God... I'm thinking the RAPIST has a lot to do with it.

it makes it sound like they mean god intends rape and the child being born.. it's a terrible thing to think let alone say. It's an immoral thing to say thats for sure especially when ok well a baby being born is a natural great thing to occur but not when you take into the consideration that is was born rape. Makes me feel sad for the baby, the mother and the family.

And we're not just vessels for the unborn...I mean the choice to create life is a wonderful thing...but I am so much more than my uterus. :wave:

Cosmo

Zoso wrote:

it makes it sound like they mean god intends rape and the child being born.. it's a terrible thing to think let alone say. It's an immoral thing to say thats for sure especially when ok well a baby being born is a natural great thing to occur but not when you take into the consideration that is was born rape. Makes me feel sad for the baby, the mother and the family.

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You know... I sort of get his point (except, the part where he places responsibility on God) about a life being created.
But, unless he is willing to fork over taxpayer dollars to help the mother and child work through the hardships both are going to face downstream in life... he needs to shut the fuck up about what the victims should do until the day he becomes pregnant by a rapist.

Dirtie_Frank

My opinion is that I do not like the idea of abortion as a form of birth control. For rape, incest, life of mother I agree abortion should be an option.

Cosmo

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

My opinion is that I do not like the idea of abortion as a form of birth control. For rape, incest, life of mother I agree abortion should be an option.

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I believe ALL of us agree that using abortion as birth control is idiotic, immoral and just plain wrong.

Dirtie_Frank

Cosmo wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

My opinion is that I do not like the idea of abortion as a form of birth control. For rape, incest, life of mother I agree abortion should be an option.

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I believe ALL of us agree that using abortion as birth control is idiotic, immoral and just plain wrong.

I am sure there are people who do not. Just saying. Maybe not on here, but there are.

Cosmo

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I am sure there are people who do not. Just saying. Maybe not on here, but there are.

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Agree.
I think those people need to be educated in the use of other means of birth control... be it, the pill, condoms, whatever. That's why I would much rather pay to get them on the pill... than have them go through an abortion. They fuck. Thay have been fucking and are still going to fuck... there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that... the focus **should** be on preventing the pregnancy in the first place, thus, nullifying the need for an abortion.

PJ_Soul

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

My opinion is that I do not like the idea of abortion as a form of birth control. For rape, incest, life of mother I agree abortion should be an option.

Using it as a form of birth control is not at all the only alternative use after using it for rape, incest, and life of the mother... There are VERY few women who use abortion as a form of birth control. Surely no one thinks that women LIKE getting abortions??

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJ_Soul wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

My opinion is that I do not like the idea of abortion as a form of birth control. For rape, incest, life of mother I agree abortion should be an option.

Using it as a form of birth control is not at all the only alternative use after using it for rape, incest, and life of the mother... There are VERY few women who use abortion as a form of birth control. Surely no one thinks that women LIKE getting abortions??

I knew a girl, and actually had relations with (before I knew this), who had 6 abortions. Hated contraceptives. Just got abortions if she needed to get one.

Cosmo

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

My opinion is that I do not like the idea of abortion as a form of birth control. For rape, incest, life of mother I agree abortion should be an option.

Using it as a form of birth control is not at all the only alternative use after using it for rape, incest, and life of the mother... There are VERY few women who use abortion as a form of birth control. Surely no one thinks that women LIKE getting abortions??

I knew a girl, and actually had relations with (before I knew this), who had 6 abortions. Hated contraceptives. Just got abortions if she needed to get one.

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Wow. That is fierce. It's like if I hated toothpaste so I got root canals instead.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Cosmo wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I knew a girl, and actually had relations with (before I knew this), who had 6 abortions. Hated contraceptives. Just got abortions if she needed to get one.

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Wow. That is fierce. It's like if I hated toothpaste so I got root canals instead.

yeah, kinda fucked up.

comebackgirl

Someone is raped every 2 minutes in the US. Why aren't we more outraged by this? Why isn't our focus and energy being put into sexual violence prevention efforts, instead of worrying about preventing survivors from terminating pregnancies that might result from a rape?

pandora

riotgrl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Are you saying 'me' when you say 'you' ?

Cause that would be off base... I'm pro choice.

I pride myself though on trying to see and feel both sides of issues.

I will say that those defending new life, the right to live, are passionate.
It hasn't worked too well for them though forcing their beliefs on others
has it? Abortion is legal with millons of lives taken.

As far as how it affects them personally? How does it effect you when someone dies?
The unborn is a gift, innocent life.

Your other questions seem to point a finger at leaders letting down children
once they are here. Who can argue that? And I'm learning quite a bit
about the apathy in our social services which is a whole other stupid story.

No I was referencing the collective you, not you, Pandora. I agree, I see both sides as well but it is not for me to force others to do as I do.

As for our social service system, it is, undoubtedly, a hot mess. However, I disagree that it is apathy - at least not on the part of the social worker. Apathy on the part of our leaders, hell yes.

maybe it is here where I live

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

riddle: I take a position on nothing so I can argue everything.

who am I?

God? wait you don't believe that can't be it...

Me? :? no that can't be it I'm pro-choice...
stumped I am.


Riddle:
what's that old tired song we keep hearing?

sounds like Grudge

Romney (didn't you see Gimme's post above?). It's not always about you.

hey nobody got that :? ... guess it's not just me