RAPE PREGNANCIES 'SOMETHING THAT GOD INTENDED'

Hugh Freaking Dillon

comebackgirl wrote:

For sure. That's what I'm saying - I don't think the dems really care about the right to choose either - they use it as a tool too. Which is why I hate politics. PERIOD :wave:

PJ_Soul

comebackgirl wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Exactly...they're just being used as tools. Sadly, there are people impacted by them being used in that manner...and it really pisses me off

this is the very nature of politics though. Some of the "tools" that Obama (or whomever you support) has used, I'm sure, have impacted people (possibly in the negative way).

For sure. That's what I'm saying - I don't think the dems really care about the right to choose either - they use it as a tool too. Which is why I hate politics. PERIOD :wave:

I agree with you for the most part... EVERYTHING that politicians do has to do with getting votes and winning. Period. he he he.
Although I would argue that might not be the case for the very religious ones (so for some Republicans against abortion). That their strict religious beliefs so well compliment the official Republican line is rather horrifying.

comebackgirl

PJ_Soul wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

this is the very nature of politics though. Some of the "tools" that Obama (or whomever you support) has used, I'm sure, have impacted people (possibly in the negative way).

For sure. That's what I'm saying - I don't think the dems really care about the right to choose either - they use it as a tool too. Which is why I hate politics. PERIOD :wave:

I agree with you for the most part... EVERYTHING that politicians do has to do with getting votes and winning. Period. he he he.
Although I would argue that might not be the case for the very religious ones (so for some Republicans against abortion). That their strict religious beliefs so well compliment the official Republican line is rather horrifying.

I am sure that for some politicians on both sides it is a real issue that matters to them on the personal level...but both sides definitely use it as a tool. I don't like that. Period This is fun :shifty:

Austicman

These guys talk alot about what God intended. What about Satan.

What if the pregnancy was the work of the Devil. Is it OK to get an abortion then.

gimmesometruth27

Austicman wrote:

These guys talk alot about what God intended. What about Satan.

What if the pregnancy was the work of the Devil. Is it OK to get an abortion then.

that is a good question. i never thought of it from that angle. i need to think about that one for a bit. i need to see if satan is capable of creating life before i can answer that.

and aside from that, doesn't god trump satan since god has the power to not only expel satan from heaven, but keep him out of there? and doesn't the power of god compel demons to leave the bodies of people?

this can go a whole lot of different directions...

Austicman

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Austicman wrote:

These guys talk alot about what God intended. What about Satan.

What if the pregnancy was the work of the Devil. Is it OK to get an abortion then.

that is a good question. i never thought of it from that angle. i need to think about that one for a bit. i need to see if satan is capable of creating life before i can answer that.

and aside from that, doesn't god trump satan since god has the power to not only expel satan from heaven, but keep him out of there? and doesn't the power of god compel demons to leave the bodies of people?

this can go a whole lot of different directions...

I was as just thinking along the lines that if a guy like this has such unwavering faith in God, Jesus and Heaven then surely they would have to believe in the Devil and Hell. And wouldn't something evil like rape be the work of someone possesed by the Devil.

For the record I think it's all a load of baloney and hope people understand that I'm just twisting and malnipulating the Christian beliefs structure to suit my agenda

mikalina

Austicman wrote:

These guys talk alot about what God intended. What about Satan.

What if the pregnancy was the work of the Devil. Is it OK to get an abortion then.

Good Point - Rape is evil....

mikalina

Now I heard on the news that he stands by his idiotic statement ... :?

dimitrispearljam

Austicman wrote:

These guys talk alot about what God intended. What about Satan.

What if the pregnancy was the work of the Devil. Is it OK to get an abortion then.

great post!!

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

After reading some of your discussion I think one thing is clear: It is totally ludicrous for an American federal politician to act as though they think all life is sacred, and like they 100% stick to their guns on that principle. I`m surprised any of them even bring it up, since the hypocrisy is so glaring.

I think it is defending new life the other innocent victim of rape.

pandora

mikalina wrote:

Now I heard on the news that he stands by his idiotic statement ... :?

I heard him clarify which I really do believe is the problem with theses guys ... words :fp:

pandora

mikalina wrote:

Austicman wrote:

These guys talk alot about what God intended. What about Satan.

What if the pregnancy was the work of the Devil. Is it OK to get an abortion then.

Good Point - Rape is evil....

Rape is a choice, from it, as all things we do to each other, we learn
and someday see crystal clear.

It consistently blows my mind that a man could do this to a woman
and not imagine what it does to her. If they can actually grasp that
it is truly an evil choice. It also blows my mind that rape is still apart of
pornography play and fantasy. It's obvious it runs deep and primal.
And the fact that it is so prevalent, still hidden, not punished as it should be,
blamed on the victim tells us still this is a mans world, which is about as evil
as it gets.

pandora

Austicman wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Austicman wrote:

These guys talk alot about what God intended. What about Satan.

What if the pregnancy was the work of the Devil. Is it OK to get an abortion then.

that is a good question. i never thought of it from that angle. i need to think about that one for a bit. i need to see if satan is capable of creating life before i can answer that.

and aside from that, doesn't god trump satan since god has the power to not only expel satan from heaven, but keep him out of there? and doesn't the power of god compel demons to leave the bodies of people?

this can go a whole lot of different directions...

I was as just thinking along the lines that if a guy like this has such unwavering faith in God, Jesus and Heaven then surely they would have to believe in the Devil and Hell. And wouldn't something evil like rape be the work of someone possesed by the Devil.

For the record I think it's all a load of baloney and hope people understand that I'm just twisting and malnipulating the Christian beliefs structure to suit my agenda

The guy has a big picture he is working from. Long past this life. He is defending
the innocent child which in many cases, as with my niece, is more than a silver lining
that comes from rape. It is a valuable precious life that will continue on in her own children.

So from an evil act came a blessing.

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

romney is to control the direction of this party. it is his job to rebuke idiots like this guy.

i don't see romney demanding that the ad that he did be pulled...

You think the ad should be pulled?
Why?

because your nominee is on record supporting this guy, and if enough indiana voters see that add they could turn not only on the politician in question, but on romney himself.

this ad could be politically damaging to romney.

Not my nominee yet studying up on Gary Johnson....
now I have three to choose from.

Romney's not worried about it, why would you be,
being in favor of our President?

It's Romney's choice and he still could change his mind
but I think saying he doesn't support the same views, would not with policy,
sends the right message for me.
I also think Romney knows where he is coming from, defending the new life
even in the case of rape.

The other message for me taken to heart is ...
let people share their views, don't judge or abandon them for them,
it's opinions and kind of like a window to their soul at any given moment.

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

Not my nominee yet studying up on Gary Johnson....
now I have three to choose from.

Romney's not worried about it, why would you be,
being in favor of our President?

It's Romney's choice and he still could change his mind
but I think saying he doesn't support the same views, would not with policy,
sends the right message for me.
I also think Romney knows where he is coming from, defending the new life
even in the case of rape.

The other message for me taken to heart is ...
let people share their views, don't judge or abandon them for them,
it's opinions and kind of like a window to their soul at any given moment.

defending the new life while in the same breath wanting to cut programs to help that kid once it is born.

i'm sorry, but to make a woman carry the child of a rapist is just plain wrong.

funny how you on the right are all about "get government out of my life" and "protecting the rights of the unborn", but what about the rights of the living, out of the womb, mother? why would rights of a fetus trump the rights of the woman carrying it?? this is the very definition of having government in your life.

redrock

Austicman wrote:

These guys talk alot about what God intended.

Well... HE has spoken....

http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-di ... ght,30087/

Let this be the final word...

Zoso

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

Not my nominee yet studying up on Gary Johnson....
now I have three to choose from.

Romney's not worried about it, why would you be,
being in favor of our President?

It's Romney's choice and he still could change his mind
but I think saying he doesn't support the same views, would not with policy,
sends the right message for me.
I also think Romney knows where he is coming from, defending the new life
even in the case of rape.

The other message for me taken to heart is ...
let people share their views, don't judge or abandon them for them,
it's opinions and kind of like a window to their soul at any given moment.

defending the new life while in the same breath wanting to cut programs to help that kid once it is born.

i'm sorry, but to make a woman carry the child of a rapist is just plain wrong.

funny how you on the right are all about "get government out of my life" and "protecting the rights of the unborn", but what about the rights of the living, out of the womb, mother? why would rights of a fetus trump the rights of the woman carrying it?? this is the very definition of having government in your life.

agree... as a male it's hard to imagine but I could imagine that the idea of carrying an unborn baby that was the result of a rape would be the most horrible thing ever.. I would feel for the baby, the mother and everyone involved. Furthermore, the rapist (if not convicted/charged) could seek to get parental rights to this kid!!! I couldn't imagine of a more fucked up situation - having custody of your kid sharing it with the rapist.

it's ridiculous to think ANY of these christian right politicians would appreciate their daughter or wife having a baby if it meant ANY chance that the rapist would have rights to that baby. They need to look at the world and show some empathy for once. God wouldn't have intended the rapist to raise a kid let alone hijack someone's DNA without permission.

riotgrl

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

pandora wrote:

Not my nominee yet studying up on Gary Johnson....
now I have three to choose from.

Romney's not worried about it, why would you be,
being in favor of our President?

It's Romney's choice and he still could change his mind
but I think saying he doesn't support the same views, would not with policy,
sends the right message for me.
I also think Romney knows where he is coming from, defending the new life
even in the case of rape.

The other message for me taken to heart is ...
let people share their views, don't judge or abandon them for them,
it's opinions and kind of like a window to their soul at any given moment.

defending the new life while in the same breath wanting to cut programs to help that kid once it is born.
i'm sorry, but to make a woman carry the child of a rapist is just plain wrong.

funny how you on the right are all about "get government out of my life" and "protecting the rights of the unborn", but what about the rights of the living, out of the womb, mother? why would rights of a fetus trump the rights of the woman carrying it?? this is the very definition of having government in your life.

This is something I really don't understand. First, how can you force your own moral and religious beliefs about abortion on another person? How are you personally affected if a woman you don't even know has an abortion? Second, if you live by those moral convictions, how can you support the abandonment of children after they are born? If you truly believe that life is sacred, why do we see so many children abandoned and abusend? Neglected and mistreated? Where is the outrage about children in high school that read on a 2nd grade level? It seems far easier to give lip service to the sacredness of life but then conveniently dismiss the child once it actually arrives.

comebackgirl

redrock wrote:

Austicman wrote:

These guys talk alot about what God intended.

Well... HE has spoken....

http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-di ... ght,30087/

Let this be the final word...

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

After reading some of your discussion I think one thing is clear: It is totally ludicrous for an American federal politician to act as though they think all life is sacred, and like they 100% stick to their guns on that principle. I`m surprised any of them even bring it up, since the hypocrisy is so glaring.

I think it is defending new life the other innocent victim of rape.

That's great. Differentiating "new life" and all other life... or the innocence of a fetus vs the innocence of innocent civilians. That makes no sense, and is a totally unjustifiable distinction. I also think that putting the life of a fetus - one that isn't even considered viable in nature until after 3 months, if the rate of miscarriages means anything - before the life of walking, talking human beings with friends and families is sickening beyond measure. Not to mention dictating to women what they have inside their bodies, and it's mostly men trying to push through the laws. It boggles my mind, the nerve of these assholes.