RAPE PREGNANCIES 'SOMETHING THAT GOD INTENDED'

Hugh Freaking Dillon

comebackgirl wrote:

Who Princess wrote:

I don't know that it's completely futile. But I think the difficulty in discussing it is that it's a much more complicated issue than most of us want to admit. I think there are more people who struggle with the nuances of it than there are people who feel rigidly (on one side or the other). The rigid people just tend to be more vocal.

I think I'm just more disturbed by the trend of making this a political issue. It's been going on since the 90s, which is interesting because abortion was legalized throughout the U.S. in 1973. It took a couple of decades for people to start screaming about it.

I just wanted to echo this sentiment. I'm really sick of it being used a weapon in the political debate.

all issues that involve heated emotions are used to attract and keep members of your party.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

He believes all life is sacred. Period. I can't fault the guy for that.

I believe in the seperation of church and state, and obviously the right of a woman to make decisions of her own body/life on her own.

But how can someone be reasonably expected to go against what they believe in order to serve the people?

really!?? ... what's his stance on iran and the israeli-palestinian conflict!? ... i doubt he believes all life is sacred ...
we are all hypocritical ... but to use god as a reason why a woman should be denied access to an abortion when she is impregnated during rape is exploitative and is based on faith ... a faith that more and more people do not subscribe to ...

so, in essence he is going to impose his religious beliefs standards on everyone ... how is that right?

now is this statement based in anything factual or just assumption based on party affiliation?

PJ_Soul

tybird wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

Romney can try and distance himself from this stuff as much as possible: this is what he and his tea-party-hijacked Republican party believe. This party has turned into a holier than thou, pious bunch of sub-intellectual bigots. It's disgusting.

well said

Romney's first allegiance is to the Mormon Church, not the American citizens (I wish people would stop forgetting that). The Mormon Churches position is that all abortion is wrong except for in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother's life is in danger. Romney will do what he can to match the laws to his church's I should think, since he's a dedicated Mormon. He just needs to win, and then he will aim to do whatever the Mormon Church wants.

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

now is this statement based in anything factual or just assumption based on party affiliation?

it's based on empirical evidence that suggests most party-towing republicans are pro-israel war hawks ... and confirmed by this ...

http://protectourheritagepac.net/MOURDOCK.html

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

now is this statement based in anything factual or just assumption based on party affiliation?

it's based on empirical evidence that suggests most party-towing republicans are pro-israel war hawks ... and confirmed by this ...

http://protectourheritagepac.net/MOURDOCK.html

actually, that page says pretty much the exact same thing as Obama said during the debate the other night.

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

actually, that page says pretty much the exact same thing as Obama said during the debate the other night.

what does that have to do with anything?

PJ_Soul

After reading some of your discussion I think one thing is clear: It is totally ludicrous for an American federal politician to act as though they think all life is sacred, and like they 100% stick to their guns on that principle. I`m surprised any of them even bring it up, since the hypocrisy is so glaring.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

actually, that page says pretty much the exact same thing as Obama said during the debate the other night.

what does that have to do with anything?

because you used that page as confirmation that all "party-towing republicans are israel-loving war mongers".

Well, the sitting president is a democrat.

And I'm hesitant to lump any group of people, or even most of their members, into such categories as you did.

chadwick

god intended rape? nicely done, god.

human beings rape because they are cruel idiots. we'll say god invented us. that is saying god invented all of our nastiness as well as our goodness. this is the angle they are using.

however, it doesn't mean we gotta stand for it and get rid of abortion. god invented morons and dumb assholes. that doesn't mean they should be in charge of entire cities, states or countries let alone their backyards or shitters. yeah some people... i mean idiots... some idiots can't even pee/poop proper

PJ_Soul

chadwick wrote:

god intended rape? nicely done, god.

human beings rape because they are cruel idiots. we'll say god invented us. that is saying god invented all of our nastiness as well as our goodness. this is the angle they are using.

however, it doesn't mean we gotta stand for it and get rid of abortion. god invented morons and dumb assholes. that doesn't mean they should be in charge of entire cities, states or countries let alone their backyards or shitters. yeah some people... i mean idiots... some idiots can't even pee/poop proper

To be fair, I think it's clear that the guy didn't mean that God intended rape, but, rather, he intended for that life to begin. I realize that the two go hand in hand, but it's still not the same. That being said... it really doesn't matter. He supports girls and women having babies that are the result of rape against their will, AND supports girls and women who are the victims of rape to resort to dangerous back-alley abortions. I don't need a really stupid quote and then twist its intended meaning slightly to know that the guy is a fucking asshole.

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

because you used that page as confirmation that all "party-towing republicans are israel-loving war mongers".

Well, the sitting president is a democrat.

And I'm hesitant to lump any group of people, or even most of their members, into such categories as you did.

ok ... the discussion is about your position that mourdock be given a pass because of his belief that "all life is sacred" ... i think i've clearly proven that to be not necessarily true ... i'm not saying democrats are better or anyone for that matter ... we're all hypocritical ...

but generalization or not ... it's pretty evident that although both parties support israel - the republicans support the right wing zionist agenda more so than democrats or at the very least obama ... obviously, not all do but to postulate that one does - the odds are that one would be correct ...

JOEJOEJOE

No matter how extreme some people may be to the left, the extreme right-wingers always take the cake!

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul wrote:

A women can do whatever she wants with her own body, including choosing whether or not she wants something growing in it. Period.

Since you said period I guess you win.

Funny thing, I agree. Abortion deals with more than just the woman's body.

But alas, as I noted, you said "Period". Well played sir.

comebackgirl

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Who Princess wrote:

I don't know that it's completely futile. But I think the difficulty in discussing it is that it's a much more complicated issue than most of us want to admit. I think there are more people who struggle with the nuances of it than there are people who feel rigidly (on one side or the other). The rigid people just tend to be more vocal.

I think I'm just more disturbed by the trend of making this a political issue. It's been going on since the 90s, which is interesting because abortion was legalized throughout the U.S. in 1973. It took a couple of decades for people to start screaming about it.

I just wanted to echo this sentiment. I'm really sick of it being used a weapon in the political debate.

all issues that involve heated emotions are used to attract and keep members of your party.

Exactly...they're just being used as tools. Sadly, there are people impacted by them being used in that manner...and it really pisses me off

comebackgirl

cincybearcat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

A women can do whatever she wants with her own body, including choosing whether or not she wants something growing in it. Period.

Since you said period I guess you win.

Funny thing, I agree. Abortion deals with more than just the woman's body.

But alas, as I noted, you said "Period". Well played sir.

note to self: keep saying "period"...it freaks the men out :problem:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

because you used that page as confirmation that all "party-towing republicans are israel-loving war mongers".

Well, the sitting president is a democrat.

And I'm hesitant to lump any group of people, or even most of their members, into such categories as you did.

ok ... the discussion is about your position that mourdock be given a pass because of his belief that "all life is sacred" ... i think i've clearly proven that to be not necessarily true ... i'm not saying democrats are better or anyone for that matter ... we're all hypocritical ...

but generalization or not ... it's pretty evident that although both parties support israel - the republicans support the right wing zionist agenda more so than democrats or at the very least obama ... obviously, not all do but to postulate that one does - the odds are that one would be correct ...

no, it's not my position that he be given a pass (whatever that means). I don't agree with taking away a women's right to choose. I also don't think you've clearly proven anything.

and I don't clearly have a position on this man. I'm discussing this, admittedly, trying to figure out what my position is. All I'm saying is I don't think it's right to judge someone solely on one statement, as provocative as that statement may seem, or think you KNOW what they meant by said statement, or their intentions/agenda behind it.

I don't know enough about this guy to make that call. Maybe you do, I don't know, but I have yet to see it based on what people have posted thus far.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

comebackgirl wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

all issues that involve heated emotions are used to attract and keep members of your party.

Exactly...they're just being used as tools. Sadly, there are people impacted by them being used in that manner...and it really pisses me off

this is the very nature of politics though. Some of the "tools" that Obama (or whomever you support) has used, I'm sure, have impacted people (possibly in the negative way).

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

A women can do whatever she wants with her own body, including choosing whether or not she wants something growing in it. Period.

Since you said period I guess you win.

Funny thing, I agree. Abortion deals with more than just the woman's body.

But alas, as I noted, you said "Period". Well played sir.

Please don't call me sir. I'm female. Not sure why you're focusing my saying period. I meant nothing by it other than "that is all that counts".
As far as I'm concerned, as a woman, abortion does NOT deal with more than just a woman's body (and mind).

PJ_Soul

comebackgirl wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

A women can do whatever she wants with her own body, including choosing whether or not she wants something growing in it. Period.

Since you said period I guess you win.

Funny thing, I agree. Abortion deals with more than just the woman's body.

But alas, as I noted, you said "Period". Well played sir.

note to self: keep saying "period"...it freaks the men out :problem:

comebackgirl

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

all issues that involve heated emotions are used to attract and keep members of your party.

Exactly...they're just being used as tools. Sadly, there are people impacted by them being used in that manner...and it really pisses me off

this is the very nature of politics though. Some of the "tools" that Obama (or whomever you support) has used, I'm sure, have impacted people (possibly in the negative way).

For sure. That's what I'm saying - I don't think the dems really care about the right to choose either - they use it as a tool too. Which is why I hate politics. PERIOD :wave: