Not good for Romney

bootlegger10

youngster wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

It is very ironic that the 99% feel so helpless yet they vote Democratic every year. Why is Gary, Indiana a dump after so many decades? COuld it have anything to do with Democratic politicians they elect every year? The Democrats don't care about people, they care about dependency on government and power.

Republicans - you make your destiny
Democrats - government makes your destiny

This country was founded on people being able to control their own destiny. Romney is correct that there are a huge amount of voters who just want handouts from government, and there is nothing he can say to change that.

It is very sad that there is so much dependency on goverment. We'll never get a leader elected who can fix problems because there are so many people who blindly vote based on handouts. Social security is going bankrupt. Medicare/Medicaid is going bankrupt. We need leaders who will make tough decisions to fix these programs, but we don't have the people that will vote for those leaders because they think they are entitled to everything for free.

So every week when I get my check and I see money taken out for Medicare and Social Security, when I am older and use those programs I should consider it a handout from the government?

We shouldn't have to pay into these programs to begin with. It is clear these programs are so in debt that the money you put in won't be there when you need it. But try to elect a politician who actually tries to fix it and the public won't support that candidate because their benefits may go down. They would rather the government go bankrupt than take a decrease to benefits. I know that I won't see a dime of my social security or Medicare withholding. I am not going to rely on the government for retirement.

I think romney's point is that he could campaign on fixing problems but there is a subset of the population that doesn't want to hear it. They are going to vote for Obama because they want the government to pay their expenses instead of voting for solid policy.

PJ_Soul

I think it's pure lunacy that some actually think that republicans are hard working people who are willingbtonwork and democrats are lazy moochers who don't give a damn about solid policy. LUNACY. That even some of you folks here seem to believe this.... I'm shocked. Jesus... what you must think if Canadians!!

What Mitt said is unforgivable... and any republican should be PISSED that he said that, not trying to back it up.

PJ_Soul

usamamasan1 wrote:

These are people who pay no income tax.

... you think that 47% of the voting public (every single one of whom vote democrat, strangely enough) don't pay income tax and want free handouts? And that every single one who votes republican does pay income tax and doesn't expect or accept government funding? Or am I misunderstanding you completely here?

bootlegger10

ComeToTX wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

It is very ironic that the 99% feel so helpless yet they vote Democratic every year. Why is Gary, Indiana a dump after so many decades? COuld it have anything to do with Democratic politicians they elect every year? The Democrats don't care about people, they care about dependency on government and power.

Republicans - you make your destiny
Democrats - government makes your destiny

This country was founded on people being able to control their own destiny. Romney is correct that there are a huge amount of voters who just want handouts from government, and there is nothing he can say to change that.

It is very sad that there is so much dependency on goverment. We'll never get a leader elected who can fix problems because there are so many people who blindly vote based on handouts. Social security is going bankrupt. Medicare/Medicaid is going bankrupt. We need leaders who will make tough decisions to fix these programs, but we don't have the people that will vote for those leaders because they think they are entitled to everything for free.

So how do you explain the 100's of cities, counties, towns, etc... That always vote republican and stay in the shitter?

Thanks for the laugh.

So do you think it is a good thing that more people are relying on the government? A government that is inept and bankrupt? The democrats are going to continue giving handouts and that helps in the short term but not in the long run. A bankrupt government will pretty much take down everyone in the end.

So my point is that the democrats keep giving out handouts year after year and people keep voting for democrats but their situation is not improving. The Clinton administration forced the banks to make bad loans to poor people and we saw how that turned out. VP Biden says that republicans are holding people down but maybe the dems policies are holding people down. I would think if I voted democratic 8 elections in a row and my situation didn't get better that maybe these democrats I am voting in are the problem.

I am not saying that republicans are great. they aren't either. But more government reliance is not going to help empower people. It is obvious that Obama doesn't have ideas to fix problems, and maybe Romney doesn't either, but romney's point is that even if he had ideas that could fix problems there would still be a large percentage of people who wouldn't vote for him because Obama would continue giving them money for nothing.

usamamasan1

FACT

Leaches suck.

"My campaign is about helping people take more responsibility and becoming employed again, particularly those who don't have work," Romney said. "His whole campaign is based on getting people jobs again, putting people back to work. This is ultimately a question about direction for the country. Do you believe in a government-centered society that provides more and more benefits or do you believe instead in a free enterprise society where people are able to pursue their dreams?"

Believe in America.

WOOT

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think it's pure lunacy that some actually think that republicans are hard working people who are willingbtonwork and democrats are lazy moochers who don't give a damn about solid policy. LUNACY. That even some of you folks here seem to believe this.... I'm shocked. Jesus... what you must think if Canadians!!

What Mitt said is unforgivable... and any republican should be PISSED that he said that, not trying to back it up.

Mitt certainly could have phrased things better. But I think romney believes his economic ideas could help everyone but he knows that people have been trained to vote for democrats and no matter what he says won't change it. It is true of some republicans too. Every election is about independents according to the talking heads, which is what Romney was basically saying when he was talking about who he needed to convince to vote for him.

So is the poor person who gets handouts that are bankrupting the country and local governments ever going to vote for the person who wants to improve the economy that can ultimately help these people or vote for the person who will keep the free money flowing only that they remain in poverty. They are clearly voting for the free money because Obama sure isn't going to lift them out of poverty but make them rely on govt more.

PJFAN13

usamamasan1 wrote:

FACT

Leaches suck.

"My campaign is about helping people take more responsibility and becoming employed again, particularly those who don't have work," Romney said. "His whole campaign is based on getting people jobs again, putting people back to work. This is ultimately a question about direction for the country. Do you believe in a government-centered society that provides more and more benefits or do you believe instead in a free enterprise society where people are able to pursue their dreams?"

Believe in America.

WOOT

Romney was able to sell his dad's stock to pay for school. He didn't have to work to support his sisters at age 17 - IF Romney is president, his understanding of what stands between the poor and prosperity will inform national policy (scary thought)
IRONY = The interesting thing about those who pay no income tax is the fact the Republicans arranged it that way, right? W.Bush believed it was the best way to keep working class Americans voting Republican.Now Mitt Romney just threw them under the bus.
In fact, Romney might have just reinvigorated people who could care less about this election... Pretty sure they aren't the voting block Mitt wants to know about.

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think it's pure lunacy that some actually think that republicans are hard working people who are willingbtonwork and democrats are lazy moochers who don't give a damn about solid policy. LUNACY. That even some of you folks here seem to believe this.... I'm shocked. Jesus... what you must think if Canadians!!

What Mitt said is unforgivable... and any republican should be PISSED that he said that, not trying to back it up.

Mitt certainly could have phrased things better. But I think romney believes his economic ideas could help everyone but he knows that people have been trained to vote for democrats and no matter what he says won't change it. It is true of some republicans too. Every election is about independents according to the talking heads, which is what Romney was basically saying when he was talking about who he needed to convince to vote for him.

So is the poor person who gets handouts that are bankrupting the country and local governments ever going to vote for the person who wants to improve the economy that can ultimately help these people or vote for the person who will keep the free money flowing only that they remain in poverty. They are clearly voting for the free money because Obama sure isn't going to lift them out of poverty but make them rely on govt more.

No one ACTUALLY believes Romney would make things better for anyone but the rich, do they???

brianlux

bootlegger10 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

It is very ironic that the 99% feel so helpless yet they vote Democratic every year.

THE 99% VOTE DEMOCRAT EVERY YEAR???????????????

If only 1% for Republican, Independent etc, why are there... oh never mind. [/]

I was referencing the people that identify themselves as the 99%, the ones out protesting. I don't think 99% of the population was out protesting or feeling sorry for themselves.

I'm sorry. I was pulling your leg a bit there. Which is a cool phrase in Spanish: ¡No me tomes el pelo! Literally- "Stop pulling my hair"! I said that to a Cuban woman I met yesterday and she laughed and laughed.

But any way, the 99% simply refers to the percentage of people who don't have as much as the 1%. But we know that going in. I just don't see that the 99'ers vote 99% Democrat. No way, Jose.

Prince Of Dorkness

usamamasan1 wrote:

These are people who pay no income tax.

You really need to give that meme a rest. It's just not true.

It IS true that 38 percent of "tax units" (who can be single people, couples, or families ) are projected to have zero or negative income tax liability. Roughly 60% of these households make $20K per year or less.

However, being exempt from income tax does not mean you "don't pay federal taxes."

Everyone who works is liable for payroll taxes, Medicare and SS contributions that are deducted from every paycheck.

There are also taxes on goods and services, most notably the 18.4 cents per gallon tax on Gas.

Earners in the lowest 20%, where most of those with "no income tax" are found, paid 4.3 percent of the payroll tax burden in 2005 and 11.1 percent of the excise taxes.

Their 'effective tax rate' (calculated by dividing "taxes paid" by "total income") is in fact significantly higher than the rate of the top 20%, although that top 1/5th of the population had a much higher effective tax rate for individual and corporate income taxes.

Saying that it's just the rich that pay taxes is bullshit. You're not fooling anyone.

Prince Of Dorkness

bootlegger10 wrote:

Why is Gary, Indiana a dump after so many decades? Could it have anything to do with Democratic politicians they elect every year?

Uh... honey?

Indiana is a Red State. They voted for George W Bush. TWICE. And Romney is leading there now.

They also voted for Bob Dole, George Bush the First (in both 1988 and 1992), Ronald Reagan both times, Nixon... fuck, they voted for Gerald FORD for crying out loud.

So... well... actually... Gary Indiana is a dump because they voted for Republicans.

http://www.270towin.com/states/Indiana

:fp:

Prince Of Dorkness

Oh... and the current governor of Indiana is Mitch Daniels.

A Republican.

Honestly... do you not have a Google Machine?

pandora

I guess that leaves 53% who aren't on government aid, being overly taxed to
pay for others, with a 16 trillion dollar deficit to show. :wtf:

I can't believe we have become a country of handouts. This is what failure looks like.

53% - 47% ... hmmm ...
will it even make a difference?

redrock

How many here have been telling us they have received a tax refund? Yep... those are included in the 47% (just to add to what POD posted about what this 47% really is).

riotgrl

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

youngster wrote:

So every week when I get my check and I see money taken out for Medicare and Social Security, when I am older and use those programs I should consider it a handout from the government?

No.
But you should be pissed that you will only get out a fraction of what you put in.
That is, if you get anything out at all.

They are already sending out letters telling you that your payments will be reduced (i started getting these letters when i was 25) ... "don't worry, Social Security will still be around, but payments will probably be reduced..."

lol.
great system.

I'm pissed that I definitely won't be getting any of the money I put into social security for 15 years of my life because I became a teacher. Mitch McConnell has been called on that point several times in this state and wants to call it double dipping. Isn't that what he's doing? Amazing that any of us can vote for any of these morons!

comebackgirl

PJ_Soul wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

PJFAN13 wrote:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser
His own people have starting bailing...
This should make the peoples decision very easy come November
Funny/sad thing is, he still has a chance to win. Kind of a bummer how many people are willing to vote against their own best interests.
:roll:

before this gets too far down, did this video change anyone's mind about Mitt? My guess is this will do nothing to change anyone's mind. The people who find/post stuff on Obama were never going to vote for him, and the people who find/post stuff on Mitt were never going to vote for him.


He clearly has some bad numbers, but what about this is surprising to people? The exact words maybe weren't used before, but the message has always been there.

Not that I can vote, but it honestly made me think he's a much bigger asshole than j thought he was before seeing that. It really is a shitty, mean-spirited attitude, as well as scary. It literally tells me that he has no intention of even giving the needs and wants of a lot of people a second thought. And it tells me that his notion of those on welfare, those who are liberal, those who are poor, those who are sick and not well off, those who voted for Obama are 1) all the same, and 2) lazy leeches?? 47% of the country? Woooow. I have never had a good opinion of him, but I never thought he was maliciously disdainful of the poor until now, or so deluded to think that everyone who voted for Obama simply wants hand outs. :? That is fucked up shit.

And what scares me even more are the people who boldly support his opinion.

riotgrl

bootlegger10 wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

It is very ironic that the 99% feel so helpless yet they vote Democratic every year. Why is Gary, Indiana a dump after so many decades? COuld it have anything to do with Democratic politicians they elect every year? The Democrats don't care about people, they care about dependency on government and power.

Republicans - you make your destiny
Democrats - government makes your destiny

This country was founded on people being able to control their own destiny. Romney is correct that there are a huge amount of voters who just want handouts from government, and there is nothing he can say to change that.

It is very sad that there is so much dependency on goverment. We'll never get a leader elected who can fix problems because there are so many people who blindly vote based on handouts. Social security is going bankrupt. Medicare/Medicaid is going bankrupt. We need leaders who will make tough decisions to fix these programs, but we don't have the people that will vote for those leaders because they think they are entitled to everything for free.

So how do you explain the 100's of cities, counties, towns, etc... That always vote republican and stay in the shitter?

Thanks for the laugh.

So do you think it is a good thing that more people are relying on the government? A government that is inept and bankrupt? The democrats are going to continue giving handouts and that helps in the short term but not in the long run. A bankrupt government will pretty much take down everyone in the end.

So my point is that the democrats keep giving out handouts year after year and people keep voting for democrats but their situation is not improving. The Clinton administration forced the banks to make bad loans to poor people and we saw how that turned out. VP Biden says that republicans are holding people down but maybe the dems policies are holding people down. I would think if I voted democratic 8 elections in a row and my situation didn't get better that maybe these democrats I am voting in are the problem.

I am not saying that republicans are great. they aren't either. But more government reliance is not going to help empower people. It is obvious that Obama doesn't have ideas to fix problems, and maybe Romney doesn't either, but romney's point is that even if he had ideas that could fix problems there would still be a large percentage of people who wouldn't vote for him because Obama would continue giving them money for nothing.

Didn't Clinton actually reduce the welfare rolls? He had a great program that got people off welfare and helped them get job skills and/or education so they could work. If I remember correctly, GWB dumped that pretty quick. Why didn't he continue that program if the conservatives are really interested in getting people off government assistance?

Zoso

I don't think romney understands that there are a lot of people out working 2 or 3 low paying jobs and still not getting anywhere.. no matter how hard they work. People vote democrat because they see that a lot of people are suffering and are told to pick themselves up and do something about it lol.. with what? They have no way of getting out of their poverty or reliance on handouts.

no one wants to be reliant on handouts but it's just the nature of it if there is such a widening of the gap between the top 1 percent and bottom 10 percent.

mydogmookieblaylock

I wish I was a Latino

know1

I heard that whole video clip this morning and I didn't see anything wrong with it.

He was asked what it would take to win and he's saying that it will be difficult because he believes there are 47% of people who will vote Obama/Democrat and nothing will change their minds.

He then went on to list the reasons he thinks that nothing will change their minds.

If someone isn't paying income tax - and I do believe the 47% number if we're only talking about INCOME tax - then it seems to me that they'd want to try and ensure that their status remains the same. The Democrats plans typically are aligned to ensure that it will.