Rep. Todd Akin: No pregnancy from 'legitimate rape'

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  • Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Thank you for that link and for your words.

    My center is hosting a rape crisis training this week. This has proved to be quite the lively discussion for a passionate group of women.
    Sounds like another interesting coincidence! Hope your training goes well. Being a rape crisis volunteer was one of the most gratifying things I've ever done.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    interesting timing....

    Akin controversy may endanger GOP chances in the fall

    Congressman's remarks on rape focuses attention on party's abortion agenda

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    By JENNIFER STEINHAUER
    New York Times

    updated 8/22/2012 12:01:48 AM ET

    WASHINGTON — As an orator, Representative Todd Akin of Missouri may stand out for his clumsiness. But as a legislator, Mr. Akin has a record on abortion that is largely indistinguishable from those of most of his Republican House colleagues, who have viewed restricting abortion rights as one of their top priorities.

    That agenda — largely eclipsed for two years by a protracted fiscal crisis and the fight over how to manage the federal deficit — has wedged its way, for now at least, to the center of the 2012 campaign. It is focusing attention on an issue that helped earn Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, a reputation as a flip-flopper, threatening the Republican quest for control of the Senate, and leaving Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, Mr. Romney’s vice-presidential pick, in the uncomfortable position of distinguishing himself from Mr. Akin, with whom he has often concurred.

    It is an agenda that has enjoyed the support of House leaders, including Speaker John A. Boehner and Representative Eric Cantor, the majority leader, who has called anti-abortion measures “obviously very important in terms of the priorities we set out initially in our pledge to America.It became inextricably linked to the near-shutdown of the federal government last year when an agreement to keep the government open was reached only after it was linked to a measure restricting abortion in the District of Columbia.

    Even as Congressional Republicans, including Mr. Boehner, denounced Mr. Akin’s remark that victims of “legitimate rape” were able to somehow prevent pregnancy, an agenda to roll back abortion is one that House Republicans have largely moved in step with.

    In an anti-abortion measure once sponsored by Mr. Akin, Mr. Ryan and scores of other Republican lawmakers, an exemption was made for victims of “forcible” rape, though that word was later removed.

    On Tuesday, Republicans approved platform language for next week’s nominating convention that calls for a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion with no explicit exceptions for cases of rape or incest. That is a view more restrictive than Mr. Romney’s, who has said that he supports exceptions to allow abortions in cases of rape.

    Mr. Ryan’s more conservative views, which have been reflected in votes that would restrict family planning financing overseas, cut off all federal funds to Planned Parenthood and repeal President Obama’s health care law, have come into sharp relief as Mr. Akin struggles for his political life. Mr. Akin and Mr. Ryan each have voted in this Congress for 10 abortion-restricting measures as well as those that limited other family planning services.

    Both Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney have earned praise for their positions from the National Right to Life group and other anti-abortion organizations. “The right-to-life Romney/Ryan ticket is now complete,” wrote Barbara Lyons and Sue Armacost, executive director and legislative director for Wisconsin Right to Life, on the organization’s Web site.

    It is a legislative theme Democrats plan to highlight, even as House Republicans try to keep the focus on economic issues.

    “All you need to know is that the House Republicans were willing to shut down the government rather than fund Planned Parenthood,” said Representative Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, in an e-mail on Tuesday. “This is in keeping with their efforts — whether it’s Congressman Akin or Chairman Ryan or others — to deny investments in critical women’s health services, weaken the definition of rape, and take away access to preventive care like cervical and breast cancer screenings.”

    The House Republican agenda has troubled the half-dozen or so Republican House members whose views differ from those of their colleagues.

    “I have time and again spoken out against this to leadership,” said Representative Robert Dold of Illinois, who is in a tough re-election battle. “I’ve tried to talk to them about the issues that we ought to be moving forward on, like out-of-control spending.”

    Mr. Dold has voted in favor of half of the abortion restriction measures in this Congress, far fewer than most of his colleagues. “There is no question that there are times when I may disagree with a vote that’s brought to the floor,” he said in an interview, “and the majority of my Republican colleagues, but that is just part of what we deal with every day.”

    There have long been lawmakers, like Mr. Akin, whose main legislative agenda centers on the abortion issue. They got a boost after the 2010 election when a large group of conservative members joined them.

    Mr. Romney’s views align with that of the Mormon Church, which opposes abortion except in cases of rape and incest or when the life of the woman is in danger. He has said he is personally opposed to abortion; as a Mormon bishop in the 1980s he attempted to talk a congregant out of terminating a pregnancy after doctors advised her to do so because of a potentially lethal blood clot.

    But abortion has proved to be a politically volatile topic for Mr. Romney, whose evolving views have disappointed liberals and stirred distrust among conservatives.

    In 1994, when he challenged Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Mr. Romney said he would “not force our beliefs on others on that matter.” In 2002, as a candidate for governor, he claimed to support “the substance” of Roe v. Wade. By 2005, though, when he was beginning to consider a presidential run, he had reversed course and described himself as a “pro-life governor in a pro-choice state.” Now, as a presidential candidate, he refers to himself as solidly “pro-life.”

    Aides to Mr. Romney declined to say on Tuesday whether he would call on the convention delegates to reconsider their position on abortion.

    Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, tried to deflect questions on behalf of Mr. Romney, saying on Fox News that “this is the platform of theRepublican Party; it is not the platform of Mitt Romney.”

    The idea of outlawing any exceptions for abortion is not new in American political discourse or in legislation, nor are proposals to narrow the definition of rape to distinguish between what some call “forcible rape” and cases involving statutory rape or even some types of date rape. Anti-abortion activists have long been concerned that women would falsely claim to have been raped to gain an exemption to terminate a pregnancy.

    Historians and other experts on abortion politics say the no-exceptions idea became part of the debate virtually as soon as Roe v. Wade legalized abortion in 1973. “It has deep roots,” said Donald Critchlow, a historian at Arizona State University who has studied abortion politics. He added, “It’s appealing to segments within the Republican Party to show that you’re pro-life.”

    Susan Cohen, director of government affairs for the Guttmacher Institute, a research group in Washington that supports abortion rights, said the no-exceptions idea is “not new and it’s not fringe.”

    “It is something that has been part of mainstream anti-abortion movement,” she said. “The record is replete with evidence of the fact that there was this no-exceptions attitude, and of course this makes logical sense from the perspective of people who believe an embryo should have the same legal status as you and I do.”

    In the 1992 election, the Republican Party included in its platform language opposing abortion, allowing no exceptions and calling for a constitutional amendment to make abortion illegal. Similar language opposing any exceptions was included in 2000 and 2004, even though George W. Bush also supported outlawing abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the woman was in danger.

    Four years ago, the Republican Party adopted a platform seeking an unconditional ban on abortion, though its nominee, Senator John McCain, had urged the party in the past to allow certain exceptions. After this year’s abortion plank language was approved with little debate, the chairman of the platform committee, Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia, praised the committee for “affirming our respect for human life.”
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Well, the official damage report is in. Four days (seems like four weeks to me) after his comments, Akin has lost 13% of the voter poll and now trails his opponent by 10 points.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-todd-akin-missouri-senate-rape-legitimate-claire-mccaskill-2012-8
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jason P wrote:
    Well, the official damage report is in. Four days (seems like four weeks to me) after his comments, Akin has lost 13% of the voter poll and now trails his opponent by 10 points.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-todd-akin-missouri-senate-rape-legitimate-claire-mccaskill-2012-8


    I think McCaskill should play little red school house and she would still win by 10 points.
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    was going to post this from CNN yesterday...

    check mate on those who believe in no abortion with no exceptions.

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  • mikepegg44 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Well, the official damage report is in. Four days (seems like four weeks to me) after his comments, Akin has lost 13% of the voter poll and now trails his opponent by 10 points.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-todd-akin-missouri-senate-rape-legitimate-claire-mccaskill-2012-8


    I think McCaskill should play little red school house and she would still win by 10 points.

    Here's a very moving letter to Akin from a survivor.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensle ... 12930.html
    Damage is done--politically and personally. I would hope for a ripple effect in the election, though not holding my breath.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,544
    Mike Huckabee needs to go to Syria and experience what fighting for an ideal or democracy or "rights" is really about before he spouts off on how Akin was thrown under the bus by his party. Really? Run over by a tank? Please. Fucking CHICKEN HAWK.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Zoso wrote:
    was going to post this from CNN yesterday...

    check mate on those who believe in no abortion with no exceptions.

    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=194569

    Ummm, checkmate? Because of that article? I don't get it.
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  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    In case anyone is still questioning the *science* Akin espoused about "what he's been told by doctors"

    http://www.acog.org/About_ACOG/News_Roo ... A.facebook


    The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
    Statement on Rape and Pregnancy


    August 20, 2012

    Washington, DC -- Recent remarks by a member of the US House of Representatives suggesting that “women who are victims of ‘legitimate rape’ rarely get pregnant” are medically inaccurate, offensive, and dangerous.

    Each year in the US, 10,000–15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies are a result of reported rape or incest. An unknown number of pregnancies resulting from rape are carried to term. There is absolutely no veracity to the claim that “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.” A woman who is raped has no control over ovulation, fertilization, or implantation of a fertilized egg (ie, pregnancy). To suggest otherwise contradicts basic biological truths.

    Any person forced to submit to sexual intercourse against his or her will is the victim of rape, a heinous crime. There are no varying degrees of rape. To suggest otherwise is inaccurate and insulting and minimizes the serious physical and psychological repercussions for all victims of rape.
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  • Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    In case anyone is still questioning the *science* Akin espoused about "what he's been told by doctors"

    http://www.acog.org/About_ACOG/News_Roo ... A.facebook


    The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
    Statement on Rape and Pregnancy


    August 20, 2012

    Washington, DC -- Recent remarks by a member of the US House of Representatives suggesting that “women who are victims of ‘legitimate rape’ rarely get pregnant” are medically inaccurate, offensive, and dangerous.

    Each year in the US, 10,000–15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies are a result of reported rape or incest. An unknown number of pregnancies resulting from rape are carried to term. There is absolutely no veracity to the claim that “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.” A woman who is raped has no control over ovulation, fertilization, or implantation of a fertilized egg (ie, pregnancy). To suggest otherwise contradicts basic biological truths.

    Any person forced to submit to sexual intercourse against his or her will is the victim of rape, a heinous crime. There are no varying degrees of rape. To suggest otherwise is inaccurate and insulting and minimizes the serious physical and psychological repercussions for all victims of rape.
    :clap::clap::clap:
    Incredible that such a statement even needs to be issued.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Each year in the US, 10,000–15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies are a result of reported rape or incest.


    That is a crazy statistic!!!!!!!

    Though I guess it's only 0.009% of the women in the US (all ages), but still shocking.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,757
    Each year in the US, 10,000–15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies are a result of reported rape or incest.


    That is a crazy statistic!!!!!!!

    Though I guess it's only 0.009% of the women in the US (all ages), but still shocking.

    Well, multiply that times 25 years of birthing age, and you get one out of 400 women will have this happen in their lifetimes.
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  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Each year in the US, 10,000–15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies are a result of reported rape or incest.


    That is a crazy statistic!!!!!!!

    Though I guess it's only 0.009% of the women in the US (all ages), but still shocking.
    And that's not counting the women who carry the pregnancy to term. They couldn't even get an estimate on that. The ultimate way to control a woman is to take her body hostage.
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  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Each year in the US, 10,000–15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies are a result of reported rape or incest.


    That is a crazy statistic!!!!!!!

    Though I guess it's only 0.009% of the women in the US (all ages), but still shocking.

    Well, multiply that times 25 years of birthing age, and you get one out of 400 women will have this happen in their lifetimes.
    This is just horribly sad.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Any person forced to submit to sexual intercourse against his or her will is the victim of rape, a heinous crime. There are no varying degrees of rape. To suggest otherwise is inaccurate and insulting and minimizes the serious physical and psychological repercussions for all victims of rape.
    :clap::clap::clap:
    Incredible that such a statement even needs to be issued.
    Jeesh...no shit.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,017
    Romantic. :)

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  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Romantic. :)

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    :lol:

    Thank you to the pit member that shared this on FB

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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Each year in the US, 10,000–15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies are a result of reported rape or incest.


    That is a crazy statistic!!!!!!!

    Though I guess it's only 0.009% of the women in the US (all ages), but still shocking.
    And that's not counting the women who carry the pregnancy to term. They couldn't even get an estimate on that. The ultimate way to control a woman is to take her body hostage.

    It's also not counting the thousands of women who don't report their rapes. :(
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Todd Akin Claims Breastmilk Cures Homosexuality
    August 26th, 2012

    Missouri U.S. senate candidate Todd Akin has stoked more outrage today by claiming that male homosexuality is a disease and that the medical establishment has found the cure.

    The Republican congressman, already under fire for his controversial comments regarding rape, told a reporter for Cape Giradeau's KBSI 23 News that "female breastmilk - when fed directly to an adult homosexual male daily for at least four weeks - has a 94% chance of permanently curing homosexual perversions."

    "Lesbians can be cured by drinking something else."

    Akin made the scientifically dubious statement during an interview that was supposed to mark the "rebirth" of his campaign to defeat incumbant U.S. senator Claire McCaskill.

    Akin was leading in the polls until August 19th when he told a local radio host that victims of "legitimate rape" could not become pregnant because "the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down." In the wake of the ensuing controversey his 11 point lead in the polls has turned into a 10 point deficit, and obeservers have written off his chances at winning the seat.

    No Means No

    Facing certain defeat, all major figures in the Republican Party have called for Akin to stand aside and allow another candidate to run. The Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee and several important outside groups have also pulled funding for his bid.

    Despite the heavy pressure, Akin has refused to step aside saying he is in the race to win.

    In the interview Akin explained that he will never back down from his beliefs and he is excited to bring his unique brand of conservatism to the U.S. Senate.

    Ducking questions about his viability he proceeded to educate reporter Jeff Raskin on several issues very close to his heart including the global conspiracy to falsify the fossil record in the name of "radical Darwinism", and the plot to turn Michigan into the capital of a new Islamic States of America.

    Spray the Gay Away

    But the congressman really hit his stride when discussing homosexuality.

    "This may surprise you Jeff, but I don't think homosexuality is a choice. We evangelicals, we know that it's a disease. But the good news is - we have the cure."

    Akin then explained, "The National Institutes of Health has treated hundreds of young men through clinical trials at their headquarters in Maryland. They don't want the public to know because the secular liberal elites have succeeded in brainwashing the public into believing that homosexuality is a positive thing."

    "We now know how to purge men of sin and put them on a path towards god. Why can't every gay man in America have that knowledge? Just 4 weeks of live breastfeeding can cure them of their terrible suffering. Why aren't we talking about this?"

    Somewhat dumbfounded by the brazenness of Akin's pronouncement, the reporter then asked if this supposed treatment only worked on men.

    "Lesbians can be cured by drinking something else," Akin replied "I'll leave that one to your imagination."

    Claire McCaskill has issued a statement denouncing Akin's latest gaffe as "an outrageous and offensive pseudoscientific slander" and called on national Republicans to "respect the choice of Missourians" and allow Akin to continue his campaign.

    I'm startin to like this guy :lol::lol::lol:
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,757
    This has to be from The Onion I would assume...
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Todd Akin Claims Breastmilk Cures Homosexuality
    August 26th, 2012
    No way. I need some credible links.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,017
    Todd Akin Claims Breastmilk Cures Homosexuality
    August 26th, 2012

    Missouri U.S. senate candidate Todd Akin has stoked more outrage today by claiming that male homosexuality is a disease and that the medical establishment has found the cure.

    The Republican congressman, already under fire for his controversial comments regarding rape, told a reporter for Cape Giradeau's KBSI 23 News that "female breastmilk - when fed directly to an adult homosexual male daily for at least four weeks - has a 94% chance of permanently curing homosexual perversions."

    "Lesbians can be cured by drinking something else."

    Akin made the scientifically dubious statement during an interview that was supposed to mark the "rebirth" of his campaign to defeat incumbant U.S. senator Claire McCaskill.

    Akin was leading in the polls until August 19th when he told a local radio host that victims of "legitimate rape" could not become pregnant because "the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down." In the wake of the ensuing controversey his 11 point lead in the polls has turned into a 10 point deficit, and obeservers have written off his chances at winning the seat.

    No Means No

    Facing certain defeat, all major figures in the Republican Party have called for Akin to stand aside and allow another candidate to run. The Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee and several important outside groups have also pulled funding for his bid.

    Despite the heavy pressure, Akin has refused to step aside saying he is in the race to win.

    In the interview Akin explained that he will never back down from his beliefs and he is excited to bring his unique brand of conservatism to the U.S. Senate.

    Ducking questions about his viability he proceeded to educate reporter Jeff Raskin on several issues very close to his heart including the global conspiracy to falsify the fossil record in the name of "radical Darwinism", and the plot to turn Michigan into the capital of a new Islamic States of America.

    Spray the Gay Away

    But the congressman really hit his stride when discussing homosexuality.

    "This may surprise you Jeff, but I don't think homosexuality is a choice. We evangelicals, we know that it's a disease. But the good news is - we have the cure."

    Akin then explained, "The National Institutes of Health has treated hundreds of young men through clinical trials at their headquarters in Maryland. They don't want the public to know because the secular liberal elites have succeeded in brainwashing the public into believing that homosexuality is a positive thing."

    "We now know how to purge men of sin and put them on a path towards god. Why can't every gay man in America have that knowledge? Just 4 weeks of live breastfeeding can cure them of their terrible suffering. Why aren't we talking about this?"

    Somewhat dumbfounded by the brazenness of Akin's pronouncement, the reporter then asked if this supposed treatment only worked on men.

    "Lesbians can be cured by drinking something else," Akin replied "I'll leave that one to your imagination."

    Claire McCaskill has issued a statement denouncing Akin's latest gaffe as "an outrageous and offensive pseudoscientific slander" and called on national Republicans to "respect the choice of Missourians" and allow Akin to continue his campaign.

    I'm startin to like this guy :lol::lol::lol:
    I assume that's an Onion article....
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I read it on face book first, so i googled it, sure enough, so then i check the onion, nope nothing there. uploaded an hour ago and multiple news source are now commenting on it. i hope it true!
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    I read it on face book first, so i googled it, sure enough, so then i check the onion, nope nothing there. uploaded an hour ago and multiple news source are now commenting on it. i hope it true!
    I don't think that blog takes itself very seriously. There was an article titled "Darfurians Saving Money to Help Bailout Greece".
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146

    that's an onion-type site unless you believe that the Ayatollah Khamenei Endorses Rick Santorum :lol::lol:
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    norm wrote:

    that's an onion-type site unless you believe that the Ayatollah Khamenei Endorses Rick Santorum :lol::lol:


    Damn! just when i though we had found a cure!
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    "How many times do people get pregnant from rape? It's point zero zero one percent. It's a joke. I read lots of articles. I know people, because I'm 53. I've know a lot of people, and I've actually never known anyone who got pregnant from being raped."

    read more pearls of wizdum from the certifiably insane
  • Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    norm wrote:
    "How many times do people get pregnant from rape? It's point zero zero one percent. It's a joke. I read lots of articles. I know people, because I'm 53. I've know a lot of people, and I've actually never known anyone who got pregnant from being raped."

    read more pearls of wizdum from the certifiably insane
    :wtf:
    So that's where her career went.
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