This part... Contributor Mark Halperin said that Akin's comment was a birthday gift for Obama's spokesman Ben LaBolt and one that "will have reverberations beyond that single race."
Is why we are idiots. We will let people manipulate us and try to push off 1 persons words onto others. We will buy into that bullshit.
It should effect only 1 race...the one he is in. Maybe he can get a job working at a hospital when he loses?
This part... Contributor Mark Halperin said that Akin's comment was a birthday gift for Obama's spokesman Ben LaBolt and one that "will have reverberations beyond that single race."
Is why we are idiots. We will let people manipulate us and try to push off 1 persons words onto others. We will buy into that bullshit.
It should effect only 1 race...the one he is in. Maybe he can get a job working at a hospital when he loses?
Paul Ryan, Rominee etc 'beliefs' aren't too much removed from Akin's remember.. They are all as extreme as it gets with rape and abortion opinions.
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He is giving his opinion not passing anything off...
I understand where his statement comes from though I do not agree with it.
I believe he has a right to speak and will take the consequences for that.
this is what he said
U.S. Rep. Akin, who is challenging incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., made the comment during an interview on KTVI, the St. Louis Fox affiliate. In one part of the interview, Charles Jaco asked about Akin's stance against abortion rights even in cases of rape.
"First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy) is really rare" in rape cases, Akin said, according to a video of the interview posted Sunday on YouTube. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
He added: "But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."
the large part is a declarative statement. that statement says nothing of his beliefs. he is trying to pass it off as fact.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.
Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?
gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
Based on his argument about pregnancy being unlikely because of the female body "shutting things down" I think he meant if physical force isn't used it's not a legitimate rape.
what do you think he meant?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.
Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?
gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
the extreme right want a enforce a bill that would define rape as only that if it was forcible violent type..
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Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.
Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
Well... at least your body would 'shut down' and there wouldn't be risk of pregnancy - one less thing to worry about then.... :roll: Anyone trying to find excuses for this guy is just as ignorant. He should go hide in a little corner and hope the world (well.. US) forgets about him. And whilst he's in his little corner, he should brush up on his biology.
Did you read the link about where this theory originates and what exactly it is?
Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.
Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?
gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
the extreme right want a enforce a bill that would define rape as only that if it was forcible violent type..
interesting I guess trying to save some babies there,
making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
well said. If you're going to talk about issues as fact and work to pass legislation on them, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.
We see this in both party's it is laughable, twisting statistics, changing facts supporting an agenda,
absolute straight away untruths... it's the name of the game
I think that is politics
in this particular case this is someone of your party.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?
gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
the extreme right want a enforce a bill that would define rape as only that if it was forcible violent type..[/quote]
interesting I guess trying to save some babies there,
thats not going to happen...[/quote]
saving babies please explain?
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Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.
Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.
much respect for being so open.. you really have a real life reason and view on why this is bullshit. It was really ignorant on his part and so dumb.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.
Thank you for sharing your experience and your views on this issue. That takes a lot of courage. I hope you and your mother have had a lot of healing. It sounds like you are both true survivors. I value your perspective on this. Thank you.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Please... in medieval times 'surgeons' also dispensed 'cures' (or avoided dispensing certain 'cures') following your star sign. Disease was caused by sin, demons bad smells and even the jewish people. They weren't called the dark ages for nothing... On the other hand, muslims were way ahead... but I don't think Akin would refer to them....
My daughter studied all of this in her history classes when she was 14... Surely, a supposedly educated congressman would know more than 14 year olds.
Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.
Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?
gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
Based on his argument about pregnancy being unlikely because of the female body "shutting things down" I think he meant if physical force isn't used it's not a legitimate rape.
what do you think he meant?
I think he meant assault type of rape, not consensual statutory rape,
and maybe not this kind of rape given this comment ...
Akin's earlier comment that he would like to ban the morning-after pill because he believes it is “a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country,” and his concerns that a 1991 anti-marital rape law in Missouri might be used “in a real messy divorce as a tool and a legal weapon to beat up on the husband.” Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... z246UJ2QJV
again looking into the man not agreeing with his words
so far I haven't heard him define legitimate yet...
I'm not holding my breath.
Its a good thing we have freedom of speech so our elected officials can put their foot
in their mouths
otherwise we might never know or understand exactly who they are.
Please... in medieval times 'surgeons' also dispensed 'cures' (or avoided dispensing certain 'cures') following your star sign. Disease was caused by sin, demons bad smells and even the jewish people. They weren't called the dark ages for nothing... On the other hand, muslims were way ahead... but I don't think Akin would refer to them....
My daughter studied all of this in her history classes when she was 14... Surely, a supposedly educated congressman would know more than 14 year olds.
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Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.
I would be understanding in that that is his opinion but his opinion here is very different
than those scenarios you gave as those scenarios are proposing the violence and banning
of a group of people.
why can't you just say what he said was wrong? if you say something bad about the tea baggers or the republicans donald trump isn't going to come to your door and fire you.
but we're on the precipice of that actually happening
So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?
gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
Based on his argument about pregnancy being unlikely because of the female body "shutting things down" I think he meant if physical force isn't used it's not a legitimate rape.
what do you think he meant?
I think he meant assault type of rape, not consensual statutory rape,
and maybe not this kind of rape given this comment ...
Akin's earlier comment that he would like to ban the morning-after pill because he believes it is “a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country,” and his concerns that a 1991 anti-marital rape law in Missouri might be used “in a real messy divorce as a tool and a legal weapon to beat up on the husband.” Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... z246UJ2QJV
again looking into the man not agreeing with his words
so far I haven't heard him define legitimate yet...
I'm not holding my breath.
Its a good thing we have freedom of speech so our elected officials can put their foot
in their mouths
otherwise we might never know or understand exactly who they are.
There is no consensual rape, just like there are no consensual muggings, robberies, physical assaults, etc. As I said before, rape is about a lack of consent, which may or may not include physical violence.
I think we both interpreted his words the same. That's why I am so offended by what he said. I agree with you that it helps to know exactly who our elected officials are. He's painting a very clear picture of himself.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Please... in medieval times 'surgeons' also dispensed 'cures' (or avoided dispensing certain 'cures') following your star sign. Disease was caused by sin, demons bad smells and even the jewish people. They weren't called the dark ages for nothing... On the other hand, muslims were way ahead... but I don't think Akin would refer to them....
My daughter studied all of this in her history classes when she was 14... Surely, a supposedly educated congressman would know more than 14 year olds.
Is that what you think?
Think? Obviously he seems to be totally ignorant and uneducated on the subject. A sad state of affairs if there are people that can vote in such a person for a role where he/she would be expected to contribute to policy.
And referring to an article regarding medieval medicine as a 'source' for his 'fact's is not much better.
excuse me while I go and consensually go and get run over a semi trailer.. I'm done. I can't even believe that this is a discussion about right and wrong.. we are all adults and we know what he said was wrong so lets not think of it as any less or more then it is.. he was wrong and he even said he misspoke
Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.
I am very glad your mother chose to have you!
This true for my eldest sister who chose to have her baby girl 44 years ago.
When you understand this choice, can know and love the person ...
it brings such joy. I commend your mothers strength and wisdom, as I do my big sisters.
Think? Obviously he seems to be totally ignorant and uneducated on the subject. A sad state of affairs if there are people that can vote in such a person for a role where he/she would be expected to contribute to policy.
And referring to an article regarding medieval medicine as a 'source' for his 'fact's is not much better.
Well there was a point to that of course perhaps over some heads ...
Well, where do I start. This whole thing is absurd. And its hard to tell how I fell about this, other than WOW. I am bout to be blunt and vulnerable here.....Being a product of rape myself, I guess that one could call me a poster child for abortion. Ironically I am pro-choice....as my mother chose to have me. This is something that I have had to come to terms with in the 27 years I have walked this planet. Ive known the truth since i was 7, the age that I started asking questions about why everyone else has a daddy and I did not. I can empathize with the notion that a woman should not have to carry a child that was concieved from rape, and I don't want to say that my mother's choice was easy (there was no morning after bill back then, kinda scary for me now to think that one little pill could have prevented my life). Glad that the resource is available now, it is painful to be in this world with the knowlege that my mother was raped and from that awful act of violence came ME. But I am alive. SOOO according to Akin, my mother's body should have shut down this conception and I should not be here. This is my life and its not a joke, I have absolutely no respect for this ignorant guy. Its like saying, nope there was conception---must not have been rape. Well I am here, Im alive. And I don't appriciate this guy implying that my mother was not raped because I am here.
much respect for being so open.. you really have a real life reason and view on why this is bullshit. It was really ignorant on his part and so dumb.
Thank you, this is peoples lives we are talking about, not always a hypothetical situation. He may be able to say what he wants, but he will definately have to face the consequences
There is no consensual rape, just like there are no consensual muggings, robberies, physical assaults, etc. As I said before, rape is about a lack of consent, which may or may not include physical violence.
I think we both interpreted his words the same. That's why I am so offended by what he said. I agree with you that it helps to know exactly who our elected officials are. He's painting a very clear picture of himself.
I disagree... Statutory rape can be consensual though not in the eyes of the law.
The law case here overturned conviction after a young man was imprisoned
on just this and often the cases don't go to court because of the same reason.
It was consenting so no case they knew a jury would not convict.
I know in my teens I was consenting like many girls, that is not rape.
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This part... Contributor Mark Halperin said that Akin's comment was a birthday gift for Obama's spokesman Ben LaBolt and one that "will have reverberations beyond that single race."
Is why we are idiots. We will let people manipulate us and try to push off 1 persons words onto others. We will buy into that bullshit.
It should effect only 1 race...the one he is in. Maybe he can get a job working at a hospital when he loses?
Paul Ryan, Rominee etc 'beliefs' aren't too much removed from Akin's remember.. They are all as extreme as it gets with rape and abortion opinions.
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U.S. Rep. Akin, who is challenging incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., made the comment during an interview on KTVI, the St. Louis Fox affiliate. In one part of the interview, Charles Jaco asked about Akin's stance against abortion rights even in cases of rape.
"First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy) is really rare" in rape cases, Akin said, according to a video of the interview posted Sunday on YouTube. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
He added: "But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."
the large part is a declarative statement. that statement says nothing of his beliefs. he is trying to pass it off as fact.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
FUCK.
Who gives a fuck if he was expressing his opinion. He is a moron. Morons shouldn't express their opinions.
what do you think he meant?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
the extreme right want a enforce a bill that would define rape as only that if it was forcible violent type..
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I love you forever and forever
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h ... al-concept
The type of rape you are speaking of would most likely not fit, as there would be trauma.
excuses is that what you call understanding and interpreting another's opinion :fp:
alrighty then...
thats not going to happen...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the extreme right want a enforce a bill that would define rape as only that if it was forcible violent type..[/quote]
interesting I guess trying to save some babies there,
thats not going to happen...[/quote]
saving babies please explain?
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I love you forever and forever
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much respect for being so open.. you really have a real life reason and view on why this is bullshit. It was really ignorant on his part and so dumb.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Please... in medieval times 'surgeons' also dispensed 'cures' (or avoided dispensing certain 'cures') following your star sign. Disease was caused by sin, demons bad smells and even the jewish people. They weren't called the dark ages for nothing... On the other hand, muslims were way ahead... but I don't think Akin would refer to them....
My daughter studied all of this in her history classes when she was 14... Surely, a supposedly educated congressman would know more than 14 year olds.
and maybe not this kind of rape given this comment ...
Akin's earlier comment that he would like to ban the morning-after pill because he believes it is “a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country,” and his concerns that a 1991 anti-marital rape law in Missouri might be used “in a real messy divorce as a tool and a legal weapon to beat up on the husband.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... z246UJ2QJV
again looking into the man not agreeing with his words
so far I haven't heard him define legitimate yet...
I'm not holding my breath.
Its a good thing we have freedom of speech so our elected officials can put their foot
in their mouths
otherwise we might never know or understand exactly who they are.
I think we both interpreted his words the same. That's why I am so offended by what he said. I agree with you that it helps to know exactly who our elected officials are. He's painting a very clear picture of himself.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Think? Obviously he seems to be totally ignorant and uneducated on the subject. A sad state of affairs if there are people that can vote in such a person for a role where he/she would be expected to contribute to policy.
And referring to an article regarding medieval medicine as a 'source' for his 'fact's is not much better.
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I love you forever and forever
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Don't hold back... Just tell it as you feel it!
This true for my eldest sister who chose to have her baby girl 44 years ago.
When you understand this choice, can know and love the person ...
it brings such joy. I commend your mothers strength and wisdom, as I do my big sisters.
Thank you, this is peoples lives we are talking about, not always a hypothetical situation. He may be able to say what he wants, but he will definately have to face the consequences
ooOOoo... catty again! Of course 'some' don't and won't ever understand, will they?
Guess arguments have run out...
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
no argument needed just a general verbal berating of this person's stupid ill informed comment
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I love you forever and forever
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The law case here overturned conviction after a young man was imprisoned
on just this and often the cases don't go to court because of the same reason.
It was consenting so no case they knew a jury would not convict.
I know in my teens I was consenting like many girls, that is not rape.
And yes he is thanks to freedom of speech.