This man he has a strict platform against abortion.
He has apologized for his comments, not wanting to offend victims
and has clarified he defines rape pertaining to the shut down effect,
as being violent assault.
I think what lies at the heart of his words is that life should be protected
in the case of rape. An extremist view like this has little hope for future change,
but he still speaks and works toward protecting the real victims of abortion...
human life.
I couldn't find anything during a google search relating to the shut down effect. what does that mean?
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
You think to better understand others is nonsense?
Oh yes you have mentioned this before.
As I said before to not try to understand is to be uninformed, this both in politics
and in general life situations.
Its important to look past words, to research a person, think what point was truly being made, for me at least.
And as an independent most importantly to not prejudge along party lines.
I don't see conservatives as a threat anymore than liberals.
The common sense of the middle will work to keep
personal freedoms and rights hopefully.
The right to bear arms, a woman's right of choice. Now some would like to remove
portions of those rights by gun bans/restrictions and looks like rape related abortion
could be on an agenda.
I don't think either will take place, hopefully.
so what do you think is the point he was truly trying to make here?
This man he has a strict platform against abortion.
He has apologized for his comments, not wanting to offend victims
and has clarified he defines rape pertaining to the shut down effect,
as being violent assault.
I think what lies at the heart of his words is that life should be protected
in the case of rape. An extremist view like this has little hope for future change,
but he still speaks and works toward protecting the real victims of abortion...
human life.
How about the womans right the real victim does he speak about her :?:
This man he has a strict platform against abortion.
He has apologized for his comments, not wanting to offend victims
and has clarified he defines rape pertaining to the shut down effect,
as being violent assault.
I think what lies at the heart of his words is that life should be protected
in the case of rape. An extremist view like this has little hope for future change,
but he still speaks and works toward protecting the real victims of abortion...
human life.
How about the womans right the real victim does he speak about her :?:
No his purpose is to protect the rights of the unborn child.
This man he has a strict platform against abortion.
He has apologized for his comments, not wanting to offend victims
and has clarified he defines rape pertaining to the shut down effect,
as being violent assault.
I think what lies at the heart of his words is that life should be protected
in the case of rape. An extremist view like this has little hope for future change,
but he still speaks and works toward protecting the real victims of abortion...
human life.
I couldn't find anything during a google search relating to the shut down effect. what does that mean?
I think that was more his term but I did post a link describing the belief.
The funny post from that onion link someone posted, one of the posters on that link
remembered a term, so she knew about it,
I don't though, I have never heard of it before this man.
When I first heard the news story while having coffee in the early am yesterday
I too wondered what he meant about it all and what he meant by legitimate rape...
I was thinking what the heck is this? I researched and provided some better understanding,
at least for myself.
You think to better understand others is nonsense?
Oh yes you have mentioned this before.
As I said before to not try to understand is to be uninformed, this both in politics
and in general life situations.
Its important to look past words, to research a person, think what point was truly being made, for me at least.
And as an independent most importantly to not prejudge along party lines.
I don't see conservatives as a threat anymore than liberals.
The common sense of the middle will work to keep
personal freedoms and rights hopefully.
The right to bear arms, a woman's right of choice. Now some would like to remove
portions of those rights by gun bans/restrictions and looks like rape related abortion
could be on an agenda.
I don't think either will take place, hopefully.
so what do you think is the point he was truly trying to make here?
This man he has a strict platform against abortion.
He has apologized for his comments, not wanting to offend victims
and has clarified he defines rape pertaining to the shut down effect,
as being violent assault.
I think what lies at the heart of his words is that life should be protected
in the case of rape. An extremist view like this has little hope for future change,
but he still speaks and works toward protecting the real victims of abortion...
human life.
He doesn't give a damn if he offends victims. The only reason he apologized is because he wants to win an election.
The guy's an asshole.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think that was more his term but I did post a link describing the belief.
The funny post from that onion link someone posted, one of the posters on that link
remembered a term, so she knew about it,
I don't though, I have never heard of it before this man.
When I first heard the news story while having coffee in the early am yesterday
I too wondered what he meant about it all and what he meant by legitimate rape...
I was thinking what the heck is this? I researched and provided some better understanding,
at least for myself.
I can get past the legitimate rape thing, he obviously just misspoke when talking about the differences in legal definitions between statutory and assault, which you mentioned in your post. pretty terrible political gaffe, no matter what his point was.
found your links and read them. this is all good news for his opposition. she must feel like she just won the lottery.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
found your links and read them. this is all good news for his opposition. she must feel like she just won the lottery.
McCaskell could still lose. Once all these Missourians figure out that Akan's views tie out to their views...
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I almost did a spit take when I saw this. Brilliant.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
the republican party is made up of a majority of christians. christians are supposed to be forgiving and accepting. so why are the gop party leaders not forgiving him? isn't forgiving him what jesus would say to do?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
just watching the news here at tv........the woman says the news,do the report..and at the end,looks at the camera and do a face like......"wtf that guy just said?"
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
so what do you think is the point he was truly trying to make here?
This man he has a strict platform against abortion.
He has apologized for his comments, not wanting to offend victims
and has clarified he defines rape pertaining to the shut down effect,
as being violent assault.
I think what lies at the heart of his words is that life should be protected
in the case of rape. An extremist view like this has little hope for future change,
but he still speaks and works toward protecting the real victims of abortion...
human life.
He doesn't give a damn if he offends victims. The only reason he apologized is because he wants to win an election.
The guy's an asshole.
I disagree he understands, he has daughters, he has a a hard stance on predators
but he would also guide his daughters to not abort I am assuming.
His belief is to protect the unborn child, he is an extremist, so this includes rape.
That does not make him an asshole in my eyes.
After loving a product of rape, in my lifetime and seeing a her lifetime lived
because she was not aborted,
seeing her four lovely children, and her mother's happiness and pride
before she left this world,
I understand his need to focus on a life that has no rights, the unborn child.
I support choice even if I think it can be the wrong one but even in the case of rape
would hope the decision would be weighed heavily. A pill removes the love and joy
many can know, a light from a very dark place, and it can be taken in a moment of trauma
without consideration for mother or child.
Choices make or break our lives, it's all up to us.
just watching the news here at tv........the woman says the news,do the report..and at the end,looks at the camera and do a face like......"wtf that guy just said?"
she probably said "really??? in 2012??"
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i dont see any point to do a converrsation about this whole thing,if we first ALL dont agree,
that this comment,of this guy,was wrong,and disrespectful for the women in general..not to mention,the women had this awful experience...
no excuses,why,what he meant and bullshit.....
no political games and bullshit...
pure what he said....
wrong and disrespectful...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
just watching the news here at tv........the woman says the news,do the report..and at the end,looks at the camera and do a face like......"wtf that guy just said?"
she probably said "really??? in 2012??"
yeah..was like,put him in a cage and throw the keys to the ocean...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
the republican party is made up of a majority of christians. christians are supposed to be forgiving and accepting. so why are the gop party leaders not forgiving him? isn't forgiving him what jesus would say to do?
oh come on gimmie! even I can see through that one!
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I support choice even if I think it can be the wrong one but even in the case of rape
would hope the decision would be weighed heavily. A pill removes the love and joy
many can know, a light from a very dark place, and it can be taken in a moment of trauma
without consideration for mother or child.
Choices make or break our lives, it's all up to us.
Pandora, the pill given to rape victims doesn't abort a child. It prevents conception from occurring. There is no child to consider at that point.
I support choice even if I think it can be the wrong one but even in the case of rape
would hope the decision would be weighed heavily. A pill removes the love and joy
many can know, a light from a very dark place, and it can be taken in a moment of trauma
without consideration for mother or child.
Choices make or break our lives, it's all up to us.
Pandora, the pill given to rape victims doesn't abort a child. It prevents conception from occurring. There is no child to consider at that point.
thank you Who Princess I was aware and makes many feel better...
the republican party is made up of a majority of christians. christians are supposed to be forgiving and accepting. so why are the gop party leaders not forgiving him? isn't forgiving him what jesus would say to do?
oh come on gimmie! even I can see through that one!
What bothers me is the ostracizing, mostly because
as others have mentioned here, the platform includes this topic so it is a matter of
his personal beliefs and presentation. He apologized, he explained. Admits he was wrong
but of course stands by his extremist pro life agenda.
Not sure what Jesus would do or say in this situation, not knowing him,
but I have a feeling he would be pro life.
i think the other main issue here that i don't think has been discussed is this guy is on the house committee on science ... :fp: ... this is why so many people are out to lunch on issues related to stem cells, global warming and health ... guys like that get appointed to positions without the knowledge simply to placate industry and corporations ...
I've been so bothered by Akin's comment that I've had trouble expressing it. I agree with the things that other people have said about the ignorance behind it. For all that he said about "misspeaking" I think that he actually believes what he was saying or he wouldn't have said it. Besides, I've heard similar comments before but not for many years, so I really thought we'd moved past that kind of thinking.
It's not just his ignorance of basic biology or the crazy term "legitimate." It's the suggestion that some women are victimized while others are not. That there are degrees of sexual assault that result in different consequences (for the victim, not the assailant). That some women, in a sense, "deserve" what happened to them. That bad things don't happen to "good people, the people I know and care about."
Many years ago, I was a rape crisis volunteer. The women (and children) that I saw at the hospital still haunt me. Their lives were changed forever. During one year that I volunteered, 3 young women who became pregnant as a result of their rapes committed suicide. I don't know how people can't comprehend what a terrible crime this is.
In a strange and timely coincidence, my local newspaper just ran a 3 part series on acquaintance rape. It began on Sunday, the day Akin made his comments. In the county where I live, less than half the cases of acquaintance rape referred to the grand jury result in indictments. Lots of finger pointing as to the reasons but I found it very disturbing.
It's a long read but it's a good series: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/08/19 ... ounty.html I was particularly impressed with the segment on who is the acquaintance rapist and the interview with a former detective. Lots of insight into how these crimes happen, and yes, they are "legitimate" rapes.
I've been so bothered by Akin's comment that I've had trouble expressing it. I agree with the things that other people have said about the ignorance behind it. For all that he said about "misspeaking" I think that he actually believes what he was saying or he wouldn't have said it. Besides, I've heard similar comments before but not for many years, so I really thought we'd moved past that kind of thinking.
It's not just his ignorance of basic biology or the crazy term "legitimate." It's the suggestion that some women are victimized while others are not. That there are degrees of sexual assault that result in different consequences (for the victim, not the assailant). That some women, in a sense, "deserve" what happened to them. That bad things don't happen to "good people, the people I know and care about."
Many years ago, I was a rape crisis volunteer. The women (and children) that I saw at the hospital still haunt me. Their lives were changed forever. During one year that I volunteered, 3 young women who became pregnant as a result of their rapes committed suicide. I don't know how people can't comprehend what a terrible crime this is.
In a strange and timely coincidence, my local newspaper just ran a 3 part series on acquaintance rape. It began on Sunday, the day Akin made his comments. In the county where I live, less than half the cases of acquaintance rape referred to the grand jury result in indictments. Lots of finger pointing as to the reasons but I found it very disturbing.
It's a long read but it's a good series: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/08/19 ... ounty.html I was particularly impressed with the segment on who is the acquaintance rapist and the interview with a former detective. Lots of insight into how these crimes happen, and yes, they are "legitimate" rapes.
Thank you for that link and for your words.
My center is hosting a rape crisis training this week. This has proved to be quite the lively discussion for a passionate group of women.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
i think the other main issue here that i don't think has been discussed is this guy is on the house committee on science ... :fp: ... this is why so many people are out to lunch on issues related to stem cells, global warming and health ... guys like that get appointed to positions without the knowledge simply to placate industry and corporations ...
oh boy...
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i think the other main issue here that i don't think has been discussed is this guy is on the house committee on science ... :fp: ... this is why so many people are out to lunch on issues related to stem cells, global warming and health ... guys like that get appointed to positions without the knowledge simply to placate industry and corporations ...
oh boy...
Sounds about right for the modern day GOP and its stances on science.
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I couldn't find anything during a google search relating to the shut down effect. what does that mean?
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
How about the womans right the real victim does he speak about her :?:
The funny post from that onion link someone posted, one of the posters on that link
remembered a term, so she knew about it,
I don't though, I have never heard of it before this man.
When I first heard the news story while having coffee in the early am yesterday
I too wondered what he meant about it all and what he meant by legitimate rape...
I was thinking what the heck is this? I researched and provided some better understanding,
at least for myself.
The guy's an asshole.
I can get past the legitimate rape thing, he obviously just misspoke when talking about the differences in legal definitions between statutory and assault, which you mentioned in your post. pretty terrible political gaffe, no matter what his point was.
found your links and read them. this is all good news for his opposition. she must feel like she just won the lottery.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
McCaskell could still lose. Once all these Missourians figure out that Akan's views tie out to their views...
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I almost did a spit take when I saw this. Brilliant.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
that is awesome!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the republican party is made up of a majority of christians. christians are supposed to be forgiving and accepting. so why are the gop party leaders not forgiving him? isn't forgiving him what jesus would say to do?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
but he would also guide his daughters to not abort I am assuming.
His belief is to protect the unborn child, he is an extremist, so this includes rape.
That does not make him an asshole in my eyes.
After loving a product of rape, in my lifetime and seeing a her lifetime lived
because she was not aborted,
seeing her four lovely children, and her mother's happiness and pride
before she left this world,
I understand his need to focus on a life that has no rights, the unborn child.
I support choice even if I think it can be the wrong one but even in the case of rape
would hope the decision would be weighed heavily. A pill removes the love and joy
many can know, a light from a very dark place, and it can be taken in a moment of trauma
without consideration for mother or child.
Choices make or break our lives, it's all up to us.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
that this comment,of this guy,was wrong,and disrespectful for the women in general..not to mention,the women had this awful experience...
no excuses,why,what he meant and bullshit.....
no political games and bullshit...
pure what he said....
wrong and disrespectful...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
oh come on gimmie! even I can see through that one!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
as others have mentioned here, the platform includes this topic so it is a matter of
his personal beliefs and presentation. He apologized, he explained. Admits he was wrong
but of course stands by his extremist pro life agenda.
Not sure what Jesus would do or say in this situation, not knowing him,
but I have a feeling he would be pro life.
It's not just his ignorance of basic biology or the crazy term "legitimate." It's the suggestion that some women are victimized while others are not. That there are degrees of sexual assault that result in different consequences (for the victim, not the assailant). That some women, in a sense, "deserve" what happened to them. That bad things don't happen to "good people, the people I know and care about."
Many years ago, I was a rape crisis volunteer. The women (and children) that I saw at the hospital still haunt me. Their lives were changed forever. During one year that I volunteered, 3 young women who became pregnant as a result of their rapes committed suicide. I don't know how people can't comprehend what a terrible crime this is.
In a strange and timely coincidence, my local newspaper just ran a 3 part series on acquaintance rape. It began on Sunday, the day Akin made his comments. In the county where I live, less than half the cases of acquaintance rape referred to the grand jury result in indictments. Lots of finger pointing as to the reasons but I found it very disturbing.
It's a long read but it's a good series: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/08/19 ... ounty.html I was particularly impressed with the segment on who is the acquaintance rapist and the interview with a former detective. Lots of insight into how these crimes happen, and yes, they are "legitimate" rapes.
My center is hosting a rape crisis training this week. This has proved to be quite the lively discussion for a passionate group of women.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
oh boy...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Sounds about right for the modern day GOP and its stances on science.
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