I understand your points, and like I said, while I do not agree with his views on abortion, I can understand and respect them. The information he gave about the rarity of pregnancies being conceived during a rape is based on nothing.
Just curious - do you think the frequency of pregnancy is equal rape vs. non-rape?
That misinformation is damaging to survivors, as we saw from one of the posters here. Sure, the rapist should be punished, but let's not punish the victim as well. I don't believe "legitimate rape" to be a medical term. I was an advocate on a SART team and I never heard a SANE nurse use that terminology. I am interested to see how he explains this though. Not holding my breath...
I agree that it is diversionary. It concerns me that any politician holds these views and I wish they were addressed every time. The one positive about this being made into such an issue is that in the end it may actually bolster victims' rights and protections.
But, the issue (according to the side opposed to yours) is that in these rare circumstances (rape involving pregnancy that would involve an abortion is extremely rare relative to the total amount of abortions per year - I'm betting much less than 1% are rape-induced abortions) there are two individuals who are "victims" the rape victim and the fetus - each deserve rights and protections. I understand that you don't agree about the fetus being a victim (or even having life), they do though. That's their view - whether it's right or wrong. For them, the two wrongs don't make a right stance holds here.
I understand your points, and like I said, while I do not agree with his views on abortion, I can understand and respect them. The information he gave about the rarity of pregnancies being conceived during a rape is based on nothing.
Just curious - do you think the frequency of pregnancy is equal rape vs. non-rape?
That misinformation is damaging to survivors, as we saw from one of the posters here. Sure, the rapist should be punished, but let's not punish the victim as well. I don't believe "legitimate rape" to be a medical term. I was an advocate on a SART team and I never heard a SANE nurse use that terminology. I am interested to see how he explains this though. Not holding my breath...
I agree that it is diversionary. It concerns me that any politician holds these views and I wish they were addressed every time. The one positive about this being made into such an issue is that in the end it may actually bolster victims' rights and protections.
But, the issue (according to the side opposed to yours) is that in these rare circumstances (rape involving pregnancy that would involve an abortion is extremely rare relative to the total amount of abortions per year - I'm betting much less than 1% are rape-induced abortions) there are two individuals who are "victims" the rape victim and the fetus - each deserve rights and protections. I understand that you don't agree about the fetus being a victim (or even having life), they do though. That's their view - whether it's right or wrong. For them, the two wrongs don't make a right stance holds here.
I would say the frequency of consensual sex is greater than the frequency of sex as a result of rape, so the frequency of pregnancy from consensual sex is higher. I'm not sure what the percentage of pregnancy resulting from rape is since the crime is so drastically underreported and since the vast majority of victims who do report are offered the morning after pill.
Like I said, I understand their point of view on abortion. But comments like the ones spoken by Akins revictimize and devalue victims. I think we need to do a better job of understanding trauma and valuing the lives of women in general, particularly of survivors. It's interesting because they are concerned about the fetus, but i wonder if they understand the impact that ongoing emotional trauma of the mither has on the developing fetus and the ability to form secure attachments later in life. The concern for the wellbeing of the fetus should extend beyond the first 9 months
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Mitt Romney called Rep. Todd Akin's suggestion that "legitimate rape" cannot make a woman pregnant "offensive" and "inexcusable."
In an interview with National Review's Robert Costa, the presumptive Republican nominee joined a growing number of GOP officials calling on the congressman to "correct" his statement.
"Congressman's Akin comments on rape are insulting, inexcusable and, frankly, wrong," Romney said. "Like millions of other Americans, we found them to be offensive."
On Sunday, Akin, who is challenging Sen. Claire McCaskill in Missouri's Senate race, claimed in a Missouri television interview a woman's body can block unwanted pregnancy and therefore rape victims should not have access to legal abortions.
"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down," Akin told KTVI-TV in St. Louis.
The Romney campaign distanced itself from Akin's comments, insisting the GOP nominee did not share the congressman's view. But amid growing pressure on Akin to retract his comments and efforts by Democrats to tie him to the Romney campaign, the presumptive GOP nominee issued a firmer rebuke on Monday.
"I have an entirely different view," Romney told National Review. "What he said is entirely without merit, and he should correct it."
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I think they find Todd Akin's comment terribly inconvenient. It is very inopportune. But they are certainly not inconsistent, when Ryan joined with him and tried to limit the definition of rape to forcible rape. What does that mean? They are trying to run away from what has been their own position and yet, while Akin's proposition was particularly egregious and outrageous, on the underlining principle of whether you are going to limit a woman's right to choose, and how rape victims are dealt with and how they would approach this issue, they are very much in line with him.
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Akin said Monday that by "legitimate rape," he meant "forcible rape." He said he understood that rape could result in pregnancy, and told Huckabee that he personally knew some victims of rape. "I know it's a terrible, terrible thing." ...
OK, so you minced words. Now how do you explain your idiotic theory?
I had a similar gaffe ... I claimed that the world was flat and that the huge lake that surrounds us just ends with a giant waterfall according to some scientists I know. In hindsight, I meant to say "ocean" instead of "lake".
[ It's interesting because they are concerned about the fetus, but i wonder if they understand the impact that ongoing emotional trauma of the mither has on the developing fetus and the ability to form secure attachments later in life. The concern for the wellbeing of the fetus should extend beyond the first 9 months
Like I said my sister chose to have her baby... never regretted it of course.
It is so individual but the morning after pill is really not allowing a woman
a chance to even consider keeping her child. The emotions involved those
first days weeks ... who could?
I have feeling if that was available 44 years ago
I would not love a beautiful woman with long black hair
and the most stunning green eyes you have ever seen.
She is a gift to her four children, who would not be here either, she is a blessing to us all.
Life really needs to be cherished much more than it is.
[ It's interesting because they are concerned about the fetus, but i wonder if they understand the impact that ongoing emotional trauma of the mither has on the developing fetus and the ability to form secure attachments later in life. The concern for the wellbeing of the fetus should extend beyond the first 9 months
Like I said my sister chose to have her baby... never regretted it of course.
It is so individual but the morning after pill is really not allowing a woman
a chance to even consider keeping her child. The emotions involved those
first days weeks ... who could?
I have feeling if that was available 44 years ago
I would not love a beautiful woman with long black hair
and the most stunning green eyes you have ever seen.
She is a gift to her four children, who would not be here either, she is a blessing to us all.
Life really needs to be cherished much more than it is.
I am somewhat pro-life (it's a complicated issue, and I understand the arguments of both sides), but I am just floored that there are people in this world who think a woman who is raped and impregnated should be forced to carry that baby to birth for nine months and then raise the child for 18 years. When we say the word "extremist" this is precisely what we are talking about.
Morning After Pill is a perfectly reasonable way to prevent this from ever happening, and much preferable to abortion. There is no baby, no nothing. It never happens. Let's be serious here.
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[ It's interesting because they are concerned about the fetus, but i wonder if they understand the impact that ongoing emotional trauma of the mither has on the developing fetus and the ability to form secure attachments later in life. The concern for the wellbeing of the fetus should extend beyond the first 9 months
Like I said my sister chose to have her baby... never regretted it of course.
It is so individual but the morning after pill is really not allowing a woman
a chance to even consider keeping her child. The emotions involved those
first days weeks ... who could?
I have feeling if that was available 44 years ago
I would not love a beautiful woman with long black hair
and the most stunning green eyes you have ever seen.
She is a gift to her four children, who would not be here either, she is a blessing to us all.
Life really needs to be cherished much more than it is.
I am somewhat pro-life (it's a complicated issue, and I understand the arguments of both sides), but I am just floored that there are people in this world who think a woman who is raped and impregnated should be forced to carry that baby to birth for nine months and then raise the child for 18 years. When we say the word "extremist" this is precisely what we are talking about.
Morning After Pill is a perfectly reasonable way to prevent this from ever happening, and much preferable to abortion. There is no baby, no nothing. It never happens. Let's be serious here.
I agree totally and am prochoice because a woman must make her own decision,
this a right she keeps.
But I know and love a life that came from rape and above and beyond that,
my sister's life was so positively changed by her daughter it is indescribable really.
If she had chose abortion or had that pill available for her immediately after,
she would not have been the woman she was when she passed a few years ago.
She would not have known that love, and the precious life I know now,
it would have been a horrible mistake. Her's to make of course but it would be life
changing for everyone involved. Something that might not always be considered.
We never know how strong we are until tested,
we don't know why things happen nor what path life will take.
My sisters experience tells me that out of the most dark place can come the brightest light...
sometimes to trust in that is enough to get one through or to make the right choice.
I am prone to choose life but it is no ones decision but the one holding that life.
[ It's interesting because they are concerned about the fetus, but i wonder if they understand the impact that ongoing emotional trauma of the mither has on the developing fetus and the ability to form secure attachments later in life. The concern for the wellbeing of the fetus should extend beyond the first 9 months
Like I said my sister chose to have her baby... never regretted it of course.
It is so individual but the morning after pill is really not allowing a woman
a chance to even consider keeping her child. The emotions involved those
first days weeks ... who could?
I have feeling if that was available 44 years ago
I would not love a beautiful woman with long black hair
and the most stunning green eyes you have ever seen.
She is a gift to her four children, who would not be here either, she is a blessing to us all.
Life really needs to be cherished much more than it is.
I think it's a very different experience if a woman chooses to continue her pregnancy after a rape rather than being forced to continue the pregnancy. That force is a secondary victimization and could cause ongoing trauma as well as impact the mother's ability to attach to the child after the fact. Women do not have to take the morning after pill, they are given the option.
I'm sorry to hear your sister was victimized, but I am glad she was able to have a beautiful daughter of her own. She is another example of a true survivor.
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I agree totally and am prochoice because a woman must make her own decision,
this a right she keeps.
But I know and love a life that came from rape and above and beyond that,
my sister's life was so positively changed by her daughter it is indescribable really.
If she had chose abortion or had that pill available for her immediately after,
she would not have been the woman she was when she passed a few years ago.
She would not have known that love, and the precious life I know now,
it would have been a horrible mistake. Her's to make of course but it would be life
changing for everyone involved. Something that might not always be considered.
We never know how strong we are until tested,
we don't know why things happen nor what path life will take.
My sisters experience tells me that out of the most dark place can come the brightest light...
sometimes to trust in that is enough to get one through or to make the right choice.
I am prone to choose life but it is no ones decision but the one holding that life.
That's exceptional that your sis has a gift from such a horrible experience.
But I find it odd that you excuse the horrible act of rape by defending this scum bag Akin. You're doing your sister a great injustice by excusing and defending what he said about rape. Since you've had such a personal experience, I find it odd that you'd defend this guy. And don't go on and on that it's understanding... You've actually been defending his words.
I Misspoke—What I Meant To Say Is 'I Am Dumb As Dog Shit And I Am A Terrible Human Being'
By Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO)
August 20, 2012 | ISSUE 48•34 | More Commentary
As a politician, I often find myself in situations where, unfortunately, I express a certain thought or idea poorly, or find my words taken out of context. Indeed, that is what happened this weekend. Upon reviewing the impromptu remarks I made Sunday afternoon, I can now see that I used the wrong words in the wrong way. I would now like to set the record straight with the American people and clear up some confusion about what it was I intended to convey.
You see, what I said was, “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” But what I meant to say was, “I am a worthless, moronic sack of shit and an utterly irredeemable human being who needs to shut up and go away forever.”
It is clear to me now that I did not choose my words with care and did not get across the point I was trying to convey. In hindsight, I guess instead of using the words “legitimate rape,” I should have used the words “I am an unforgivable, unrepentant, and unconscionable subhuman dickhead.” Or better yet, “I am an evil, fucked-up man who should never have been elected to the United States Congress, and anyone who would vote for me is probably a pretty big fucking dumbshit, too.” See how much more sense that makes? It’s amazing how a few key word changes can totally alter the meaning of a statement.
Because, of course, it’s all about context. And yes, when you take what I said out of context, I can see how it might sound like I’m denying that women can be impregnated via rape. This is, I assure you, not what I was trying to express at all. Such is the age we live in that one little sentence excerpted in a news report can come back to haunt a person in a pretty big hurry. But if you actually go back and look at the remarks closely, you’ll see that what I was actually trying to convey in my statement was that
(1) I am a big fucking idiot,
(2) I am a nauseating slug of a human being who doesn’t deserve to live, and
(3) I am essentially everything that’s wrong with this country and with humanity in general.
Honestly, that’s all I was trying to get across there. It was a simple misunderstanding, really.
It’s funny, because, in my head, I remember thinking very vividly, “I, Rep. Todd Akin, am a bigoted jackass who probably should not be alive, let alone in political office. People need to know what a terrible person I am so they will then remember to punch me in the face anytime they get the chance.” But when I opened my mouth and tried to articulate that thought, somehow I blurted out the thing about rape instead of just saying, in plain English, that I am awful, just purely and incontrovertibly awful.
Frankly, it’s hard not to make a mistake from time to time when you’re in the public eye as much as I am. I am constantly having to speak my mind in a public forum, and sometimes, when all I’m trying to say is something simple and inarguable, like, “Sweet Jesus, I am the worst person who has ever lived,” I wind up saying something completely different. It’s frustrating, really. Because I have a lot of very pertinent and very well-thought out things to say about how somebody should just smack me in the head with a goddamned cricket bat because of how brainless and insensitive I am, but instead my words just come out all jumbled.
I guess I just have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth! And for being the very worst that Western Civilization has to offer!
So let me take this opportunity to be very specific about what I meant Sunday, which was this: I am not a competent or respectable politician; I am, essentially, a subhuman monster of a prick, a prick as profoundly insensitive as he is monumentally unintelligent in every respect; somebody should apply dozens of layers of duct tape to my mouth every morning so that words are not able to exit my large, dumb, misogynist, imbecilic mouth at any point; I make the planet worse; I don’t know jack shit about any of the topics I spoke about in that interview, or about any topics at all, really; I should apologize every day to the women of the world, but doing so would most likely be an exercise in futility given my rock-bottom intellect and my complete and utter lack of human decency; I am, in no uncertain terms, not even worth the time it took you to read this.
That’s what I meant to say. Sorry for the confusion.
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It’s funny, because, in my head, I remember thinking very vividly, “I, Rep. Todd Akin, am a bigoted jackass who probably should not be alive, let alone in political office. People need to know what a terrible person I am so they will then remember to punch me in the face anytime they get the chance.” But when I opened my mouth and tried to articulate that thought, somehow I blurted out the thing about rape instead of just saying, in plain English, that I am awful, just purely and incontrovertibly awful.
This part made me cry with laughter. I love The Onion. Thanks for posting this.
Akins comments trivialize rape, show contempt for victims who have already been traumatized, and insults our intelligence-there is no such thing as "legitimate rape". We are heading back to the stone age - is this the direction we really want to go in?
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I agree totally and am prochoice because a woman must make her own decision,
this a right she keeps.
But I know and love a life that came from rape and above and beyond that,
my sister's life was so positively changed by her daughter it is indescribable really.
If she had chose abortion or had that pill available for her immediately after,
she would not have been the woman she was when she passed a few years ago.
She would not have known that love, and the precious life I know now,
it would have been a horrible mistake. Her's to make of course but it would be life
changing for everyone involved. Something that might not always be considered.
We never know how strong we are until tested,
we don't know why things happen nor what path life will take.
My sisters experience tells me that out of the most dark place can come the brightest light...
sometimes to trust in that is enough to get one through or to make the right choice.
I am prone to choose life but it is no ones decision but the one holding that life.
That's exceptional that your sis has a gift from such a horrible experience.
But I find it odd that you excuse the horrible act of rape by defending this scum bag Akin. You're doing your sister a great injustice by excusing and defending what he said about rape. Since you've had such a personal experience, I find it odd that you'd defend this guy. And don't go on and on that it's understanding... You've actually been defending his words.
Pandora, there's no need to defend the indefensible. Your sister's story is very inspiring by the way.
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i think mr akin needs to out those doctors who told him that load of codswallop so that any female(and male for that matter) patients they may have might make an informed decision to dump their ignorant arse as their medical practitioner. eithe that or mr akin admit he just made it up cause hes a fool.
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i think mr akin needs to out those doctors who told him that load of codswallop so that any female(and male for that matter) patients they may have might make an informed decision to dump their ignorant arse as their medical practitioner. eithe that or mr akin admit he just made it up cause hes a fool.
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romney ticket up shit creek w/this mess. too many co-sponsored bills by ryan and commitments from romney that completely align themselves w/this douche.
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Romney is currently sitting at home talking to his agent who's booking speaking engagements to start in February of next year.
He already knows he's lost this.
And now, Boehner and co are worrying about losing control after only 2 years.
Don't think that the Akin guy is some numbskull who "misspoke" or "made a mistake" or "got the words wrong."
This is the talking point that they were going to go with AFTER the election if they'd won and he jumped the gun. This is really what many Republicans think (and for proof, I offer you every post made (and NOT made) by our resident conservatives who are too busy trying to distract us from it or telling us that we have to have "better understanding" or some nonsense.
The six-term Missouri GOP congressman, a candidate for U.S. Senate, apparently bailed on a planned interview with CNN's Piers Morgan, leaving the host to berate him as a "gutless little twerp" Monday evening.
Akin's troubles began Sunday when he suggested during a television interview that women who are victims of "legitimate rape" are biologically unlikely to become pregnant -- attributing the dubious science to "doctors." Numerous Republicans have called on the congressman to withdraw from his challenge against Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill.
Akin has apologized for his remarks, and insisted he'll stay in the race. However, the media firestorm shows little sign of abating after two days.
Staring at the empty chair, a nonplussed Morgan issued this challenge to Akin: "Congressman, you have an open invitation to join me in that chair whenever you feel up to it, because if you don't keep your promise to be on the show, then you are what we would call in Britain a gutless little twerp."
MSNBC's "Last Word" with Lawrence O'Donnell faced similar circumstances earlier this year, when Craig Sonner, then-lawyer for Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman, fled the scene of a planned interview moments before it was set to begin. O'Donnell proceeded to lambaste Sonner while sharing the screen with a live feed of the attorney's conspicuously empty chair.
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[ It's interesting because they are concerned about the fetus, but i wonder if they understand the impact that ongoing emotional trauma of the mither has on the developing fetus and the ability to form secure attachments later in life. The concern for the wellbeing of the fetus should extend beyond the first 9 months
Like I said my sister chose to have her baby... never regretted it of course.
It is so individual but the morning after pill is really not allowing a woman
a chance to even consider keeping her child. The emotions involved those
first days weeks ... who could?
I have feeling if that was available 44 years ago
I would not love a beautiful woman with long black hair
and the most stunning green eyes you have ever seen.
She is a gift to her four children, who would not be here either, she is a blessing to us all.
Life really needs to be cherished much more than it is.
I think it's a very different experience if a woman chooses to continue her pregnancy after a rape rather than being forced to continue the pregnancy. That force is a secondary victimization and could cause ongoing trauma as well as impact the mother's ability to attach to the child after the fact. Women do not have to take the morning after pill, they are given the option.
I'm sorry to hear your sister was victimized, but I am glad she was able to have a beautiful daughter of her own. She is another example of a true survivor.
Very different indeed it is all about choice, that is why we are here ...
to choose.
Romney is currently sitting at home talking to his agent who's booking speaking engagements to start in February of next year.
He already knows he's lost this.
And now, Boehner and co are worrying about losing control after only 2 years.
Don't think that the Akin guy is some numbskull who "misspoke" or "made a mistake" or "got the words wrong."
This is the talking point that they were going to go with AFTER the election if they'd won and he jumped the gun. This is really what many Republicans think (and for proof, I offer you every post made (and NOT made) by our resident conservatives who are too busy trying to distract us from it or telling us that we have to have "better understanding" or some nonsense.
You think to better understand others is nonsense?
Oh yes you have mentioned this before.
As I said before to not try to understand is to be uninformed, this both in politics
and in general life situations.
Its important to look past words, to research a person,
think what point was truly being made, for me at least.
And as an independent most importantly to not prejudge along party lines.
I don't see conservatives as a threat anymore than liberals.
The common sense of the middle will work to keep
personal freedoms and rights hopefully.
The right to bear arms, a woman's right of choice. Now some would like to remove
portions of those rights by gun bans/restrictions and looks like rape related abortion
could be on an agenda.
I don't think either will take place, hopefully.
I agree totally and am prochoice because a woman must make her own decision,
this a right she keeps.
But I know and love a life that came from rape and above and beyond that,
my sister's life was so positively changed by her daughter it is indescribable really.
If she had chose abortion or had that pill available for her immediately after,
she would not have been the woman she was when she passed a few years ago.
She would not have known that love, and the precious life I know now,
it would have been a horrible mistake. Her's to make of course but it would be life
changing for everyone involved. Something that might not always be considered.
We never know how strong we are until tested,
we don't know why things happen nor what path life will take.
My sisters experience tells me that out of the most dark place can come the brightest light...
sometimes to trust in that is enough to get one through or to make the right choice.
I am prone to choose life but it is no ones decision but the one holding that life.
That's exceptional that your sis has a gift from such a horrible experience.
But I find it odd that you excuse the horrible act of rape by defending this scum bag Akin. You're doing your sister a great injustice by excusing and defending what he said about rape. Since you've had such a personal experience, I find it odd that you'd defend this guy. And don't go on and on that it's understanding... You've actually been defending his words.
Pandora, there's no need to defend the indefensible. Your sister's story is very inspiring by the way.
When I am understanding please in the future use these definitions...
un·der·stand (ndr-stnd)
1. To perceive and comprehend the nature and significance of
2. To know thoroughly by close contact or long experience with
a. To grasp or comprehend the meaning intended or expressed by (another):
4. To know and be tolerant or sympathetic toward: I can understand your point of view even though I disagree with it.
Not defending nor condoning...
I was providing information on what he based his remarks on.
And yes I do defend the right to freedom of speech,
his right to make an ass out of himself with it.
I take that bolded statement as arrogance, you know not my sister,
my sister would understand exactly why approach this subject as I do, as I do always.
It is as she would.
To understand does not mean to agree with, defend or condone.
It is what the world needs more of.
A lot was riding on this guys election...
sometimes it looks like I am watching staged events.
You think to better understand others is nonsense?
Oh yes you have mentioned this before.
As I said before to not try to understand is to be uninformed, this both in politics
and in general life situations.
Its important to look past words, to research a person, think what point was truly being made, for me at least.
And as an independent most importantly to not prejudge along party lines.
I don't see conservatives as a threat anymore than liberals.
The common sense of the middle will work to keep
personal freedoms and rights hopefully.
The right to bear arms, a woman's right of choice. Now some would like to remove
portions of those rights by gun bans/restrictions and looks like rape related abortion
could be on an agenda.
I don't think either will take place, hopefully.
so what do you think is the point he was truly trying to make here?
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You think to better understand others is nonsense?
Oh yes you have mentioned this before.
As I said before to not try to understand is to be uninformed, this both in politics
and in general life situations.
Its important to look past words, to research a person, think what point was truly being made, for me at least.
And as an independent most importantly to not prejudge along party lines.
I don't see conservatives as a threat anymore than liberals.
The common sense of the middle will work to keep
personal freedoms and rights hopefully.
The right to bear arms, a woman's right of choice. Now some would like to remove
portions of those rights by gun bans/restrictions and looks like rape related abortion
could be on an agenda.
I don't think either will take place, hopefully.
so what do you think is the point he was truly trying to make here?
This man he has a strict platform against abortion.
He has apologized for his comments, not wanting to offend victims
and has clarified he defines rape pertaining to the shut down effect,
as being violent assault.
I think what lies at the heart of his words is that life should be protected
in the case of rape. An extremist view like this has little hope for future change,
but he still speaks and works toward protecting the real victims of abortion...
human life.
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Just curious - do you think the frequency of pregnancy is equal rape vs. non-rape?
But, the issue (according to the side opposed to yours) is that in these rare circumstances (rape involving pregnancy that would involve an abortion is extremely rare relative to the total amount of abortions per year - I'm betting much less than 1% are rape-induced abortions) there are two individuals who are "victims" the rape victim and the fetus - each deserve rights and protections. I understand that you don't agree about the fetus being a victim (or even having life), they do though. That's their view - whether it's right or wrong. For them, the two wrongs don't make a right stance holds here.
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Like I said, I understand their point of view on abortion. But comments like the ones spoken by Akins revictimize and devalue victims. I think we need to do a better job of understanding trauma and valuing the lives of women in general, particularly of survivors. It's interesting because they are concerned about the fetus, but i wonder if they understand the impact that ongoing emotional trauma of the mither has on the developing fetus and the ability to form secure attachments later in life. The concern for the wellbeing of the fetus should extend beyond the first 9 months
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they don't come from storks?
damn abstinance-only public education...
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Romney calls Akin’s rape comment ‘insulting’ and ‘inexcusable’
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romn ... 22223.html
Mitt Romney called Rep. Todd Akin's suggestion that "legitimate rape" cannot make a woman pregnant "offensive" and "inexcusable."
In an interview with National Review's Robert Costa, the presumptive Republican nominee joined a growing number of GOP officials calling on the congressman to "correct" his statement.
"Congressman's Akin comments on rape are insulting, inexcusable and, frankly, wrong," Romney said. "Like millions of other Americans, we found them to be offensive."
On Sunday, Akin, who is challenging Sen. Claire McCaskill in Missouri's Senate race, claimed in a Missouri television interview a woman's body can block unwanted pregnancy and therefore rape victims should not have access to legal abortions.
"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down," Akin told KTVI-TV in St. Louis.
The Romney campaign distanced itself from Akin's comments, insisting the GOP nominee did not share the congressman's view. But amid growing pressure on Akin to retract his comments and efforts by Democrats to tie him to the Romney campaign, the presumptive GOP nominee issued a firmer rebuke on Monday.
"I have an entirely different view," Romney told National Review. "What he said is entirely without merit, and he should correct it."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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OK, so you minced words. Now how do you explain your idiotic theory?
I had a similar gaffe ... I claimed that the world was flat and that the huge lake that surrounds us just ends with a giant waterfall according to some scientists I know. In hindsight, I meant to say "ocean" instead of "lake".
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It is so individual but the morning after pill is really not allowing a woman
a chance to even consider keeping her child. The emotions involved those
first days weeks ... who could?
I have feeling if that was available 44 years ago
I would not love a beautiful woman with long black hair
and the most stunning green eyes you have ever seen.
She is a gift to her four children, who would not be here either, she is a blessing to us all.
Life really needs to be cherished much more than it is.
I am somewhat pro-life (it's a complicated issue, and I understand the arguments of both sides), but I am just floored that there are people in this world who think a woman who is raped and impregnated should be forced to carry that baby to birth for nine months and then raise the child for 18 years. When we say the word "extremist" this is precisely what we are talking about.
Morning After Pill is a perfectly reasonable way to prevent this from ever happening, and much preferable to abortion. There is no baby, no nothing. It never happens. Let's be serious here.
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this a right she keeps.
But I know and love a life that came from rape and above and beyond that,
my sister's life was so positively changed by her daughter it is indescribable really.
If she had chose abortion or had that pill available for her immediately after,
she would not have been the woman she was when she passed a few years ago.
She would not have known that love, and the precious life I know now,
it would have been a horrible mistake. Her's to make of course but it would be life
changing for everyone involved. Something that might not always be considered.
We never know how strong we are until tested,
we don't know why things happen nor what path life will take.
My sisters experience tells me that out of the most dark place can come the brightest light...
sometimes to trust in that is enough to get one through or to make the right choice.
I am prone to choose life but it is no ones decision but the one holding that life.
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I'm sorry to hear your sister was victimized, but I am glad she was able to have a beautiful daughter of her own. She is another example of a true survivor.
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That's exceptional that your sis has a gift from such a horrible experience.
But I find it odd that you excuse the horrible act of rape by defending this scum bag Akin. You're doing your sister a great injustice by excusing and defending what he said about rape. Since you've had such a personal experience, I find it odd that you'd defend this guy. And don't go on and on that it's understanding... You've actually been defending his words.
I Misspoke—What I Meant To Say Is 'I Am Dumb As Dog Shit And I Am A Terrible Human Being'
By Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO)
August 20, 2012 | ISSUE 48•34 | More Commentary
As a politician, I often find myself in situations where, unfortunately, I express a certain thought or idea poorly, or find my words taken out of context. Indeed, that is what happened this weekend. Upon reviewing the impromptu remarks I made Sunday afternoon, I can now see that I used the wrong words in the wrong way. I would now like to set the record straight with the American people and clear up some confusion about what it was I intended to convey.
You see, what I said was, “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” But what I meant to say was, “I am a worthless, moronic sack of shit and an utterly irredeemable human being who needs to shut up and go away forever.”
It is clear to me now that I did not choose my words with care and did not get across the point I was trying to convey. In hindsight, I guess instead of using the words “legitimate rape,” I should have used the words “I am an unforgivable, unrepentant, and unconscionable subhuman dickhead.” Or better yet, “I am an evil, fucked-up man who should never have been elected to the United States Congress, and anyone who would vote for me is probably a pretty big fucking dumbshit, too.” See how much more sense that makes? It’s amazing how a few key word changes can totally alter the meaning of a statement.
Because, of course, it’s all about context. And yes, when you take what I said out of context, I can see how it might sound like I’m denying that women can be impregnated via rape. This is, I assure you, not what I was trying to express at all. Such is the age we live in that one little sentence excerpted in a news report can come back to haunt a person in a pretty big hurry. But if you actually go back and look at the remarks closely, you’ll see that what I was actually trying to convey in my statement was that
(1) I am a big fucking idiot,
(2) I am a nauseating slug of a human being who doesn’t deserve to live, and
(3) I am essentially everything that’s wrong with this country and with humanity in general.
Honestly, that’s all I was trying to get across there. It was a simple misunderstanding, really.
It’s funny, because, in my head, I remember thinking very vividly, “I, Rep. Todd Akin, am a bigoted jackass who probably should not be alive, let alone in political office. People need to know what a terrible person I am so they will then remember to punch me in the face anytime they get the chance.” But when I opened my mouth and tried to articulate that thought, somehow I blurted out the thing about rape instead of just saying, in plain English, that I am awful, just purely and incontrovertibly awful.
Frankly, it’s hard not to make a mistake from time to time when you’re in the public eye as much as I am. I am constantly having to speak my mind in a public forum, and sometimes, when all I’m trying to say is something simple and inarguable, like, “Sweet Jesus, I am the worst person who has ever lived,” I wind up saying something completely different. It’s frustrating, really. Because I have a lot of very pertinent and very well-thought out things to say about how somebody should just smack me in the head with a goddamned cricket bat because of how brainless and insensitive I am, but instead my words just come out all jumbled.
I guess I just have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth! And for being the very worst that Western Civilization has to offer!
So let me take this opportunity to be very specific about what I meant Sunday, which was this: I am not a competent or respectable politician; I am, essentially, a subhuman monster of a prick, a prick as profoundly insensitive as he is monumentally unintelligent in every respect; somebody should apply dozens of layers of duct tape to my mouth every morning so that words are not able to exit my large, dumb, misogynist, imbecilic mouth at any point; I make the planet worse; I don’t know jack shit about any of the topics I spoke about in that interview, or about any topics at all, really; I should apologize every day to the women of the world, but doing so would most likely be an exercise in futility given my rock-bottom intellect and my complete and utter lack of human decency; I am, in no uncertain terms, not even worth the time it took you to read this.
That’s what I meant to say. Sorry for the confusion.
This part made me cry with laughter. I love The Onion. Thanks for posting this.
Pandora, there's no need to defend the indefensible. Your sister's story is very inspiring by the way.
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He already knows he's lost this.
And now, Boehner and co are worrying about losing control after only 2 years.
Don't think that the Akin guy is some numbskull who "misspoke" or "made a mistake" or "got the words wrong."
This is the talking point that they were going to go with AFTER the election if they'd won and he jumped the gun. This is really what many Republicans think (and for proof, I offer you every post made (and NOT made) by our resident conservatives who are too busy trying to distract us from it or telling us that we have to have "better understanding" or some nonsense.
Todd Akin Piers Morgan Interview Fail: Embattled Senate Candidate Bails On CNN Host
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 ... 14683.html
Todd Akin's bad week keeps getting worse.
The six-term Missouri GOP congressman, a candidate for U.S. Senate, apparently bailed on a planned interview with CNN's Piers Morgan, leaving the host to berate him as a "gutless little twerp" Monday evening.
Akin's troubles began Sunday when he suggested during a television interview that women who are victims of "legitimate rape" are biologically unlikely to become pregnant -- attributing the dubious science to "doctors." Numerous Republicans have called on the congressman to withdraw from his challenge against Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill.
Akin has apologized for his remarks, and insisted he'll stay in the race. However, the media firestorm shows little sign of abating after two days.
Staring at the empty chair, a nonplussed Morgan issued this challenge to Akin: "Congressman, you have an open invitation to join me in that chair whenever you feel up to it, because if you don't keep your promise to be on the show, then you are what we would call in Britain a gutless little twerp."
MSNBC's "Last Word" with Lawrence O'Donnell faced similar circumstances earlier this year, when Craig Sonner, then-lawyer for Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman, fled the scene of a planned interview moments before it was set to begin. O'Donnell proceeded to lambaste Sonner while sharing the screen with a live feed of the attorney's conspicuously empty chair.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
to choose.
You think to better understand others is nonsense?
Oh yes you have mentioned this before.
As I said before to not try to understand is to be uninformed, this both in politics
and in general life situations.
Its important to look past words, to research a person,
think what point was truly being made, for me at least.
And as an independent most importantly to not prejudge along party lines.
I don't see conservatives as a threat anymore than liberals.
The common sense of the middle will work to keep
personal freedoms and rights hopefully.
The right to bear arms, a woman's right of choice. Now some would like to remove
portions of those rights by gun bans/restrictions and looks like rape related abortion
could be on an agenda.
I don't think either will take place, hopefully.
un·der·stand (ndr-stnd)
1. To perceive and comprehend the nature and significance of
2. To know thoroughly by close contact or long experience with
a. To grasp or comprehend the meaning intended or expressed by (another):
4. To know and be tolerant or sympathetic toward: I can understand your point of view even though I disagree with it.
Not defending nor condoning...
I was providing information on what he based his remarks on.
And yes I do defend the right to freedom of speech,
his right to make an ass out of himself with it.
I take that bolded statement as arrogance, you know not my sister,
my sister would understand exactly why approach this subject as I do, as I do always.
It is as she would.
To understand does not mean to agree with, defend or condone.
It is what the world needs more of.
A lot was riding on this guys election...
sometimes it looks like I am watching staged events.
so what do you think is the point he was truly trying to make here?
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He has apologized for his comments, not wanting to offend victims
and has clarified he defines rape pertaining to the shut down effect,
as being violent assault.
I think what lies at the heart of his words is that life should be protected
in the case of rape. An extremist view like this has little hope for future change,
but he still speaks and works toward protecting the real victims of abortion...
human life.