Rep. Todd Akin: No pregnancy from 'legitimate rape'

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    Actually I saw it as no disrespect. He believes a woman can not conceive unless aroused,
    consensual as can happen in statutory rape etc.
    This what he means by legitimate rape,
    that the rape would be an assault causing a woman's body to not allow a pregnancy.
    Please read the origin of the his beliefs in the link I posted.
    I disagree with "shutting one's mouth" as you say because I believe in the basic right
    to freedom of speech in our great country and also the consequences that goes with that.
    there is no scientific basis for his beliefs. he is passing this off as proven science. please stop defending him for doing that.
    He is giving his opinion not passing anything off...

    I understand where his statement comes from though I do not agree with it.

    I believe he has a right to speak and will take the consequences for that.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Another thing that's shocking (yet not shocking) is that Pandora is supposedly a female and is defending this guy... What does that say about how idiots like this get into office?

    I was thinking the same thing. I was also shocked that she was suggesting that those of us who are baffled as to how he felt it was ok to say those things have "blue bias blinders" and are just shocked because we're democrats.

    Which I guess proved "democrat" means "not a moron" in this case.
    What was surprising is that people did not consider his definition of legitimate rape
    and jumped to a conclusion I did not at all.

    Again not defending understanding not condoning or agreeing.

    Yes I do believe it was ok to say those things ...it's his beliefs.

    One would think you would understand that.
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    [quote="pandora"

    I understand the mechanics of getting pregnant, the hows and the whys,
    some do not.

    This man believes that under the great stress of rape, when in the form of an assault,
    the woman's body would not allow a pregnancy. The statistics to support this, either for or against,
    are hard to prove as so many rapes go unreported.

    yeah well I haven't got time for people who believe in things that have been proven wrong again and again and in the process seem to alienate a whole bunch of people. Our politicians have got a lot of power over us small people and shouldn't they make sure what they say in public is correct information? They have a lot of influence.. hence tea baggers believe Obama is Muslim (therefore he shouldn't be president). This was an irresponsible comment.

    rape isn't about force it's about consent and consent only.
    Yes are you contradicting yourself? :? I think that is exactly this mans thought
    but not necessarily defined within the law.

    I believe rape is also force not just consent.

    Again these are beliefs, opinions, and a smart voter sees this and does not take it as fact.[/quote]

    I don't see any contridictin.. please explain.. the red highlights aren't related at all. One if a definition of rape and the other is taking about a politicians responsibility with so much power...
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Another thing that's shocking (yet not shocking) is that Pandora is supposedly a female and is defending this guy... What does that say about how idiots like this get into office?

    I was thinking the same thing. I was also shocked that she was suggesting that those of us who are baffled as to how he felt it was ok to say those things have "blue bias blinders" and are just shocked because we're democrats.

    Which I guess proved "democrat" means "not a moron" in this case.
    What was surprising is that people did not consider his definition of legitimate rape
    and jumped to a conclusion I did not at all.

    Again not defending understanding not condoning or agreeing.

    Yes I do believe it was ok to say those things ...it's his beliefs.

    One would think you would understand that.

    so it's fine for a white supremacist to spout out hatred towards a black person in your eyes? they have the right to speak on this topic also? Where do you draw the line?
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    freedom of speech in one thing.. but if it's bigoted or discriminatory I would say their right for free speech SHOULD be broken.

    anyway.. he can believe what he likes but then their are the facts.. I can say I believe the sky is green when in actual fact it isn't. Clearly their have been countless pregnancies attributed to rape of every kind..

    lastly, I have a problem with your use of consensual or statutory rape definition.. if they are of a certain age they can't give consent no matter if they don't say no, or if they say yes, or if they make the first move... it's all rape and shouldn't be split into different definitions.
    oh boy are you one of those? :?

    tell that to the young man of eighteen who just made love to his future bride who is 16...
    yes in the eyes of the law true... in the heart of young woman's body ... not so much so.

    Yes I'm one of those people..

    well if you ARE ONE OF THOSE people who want to redefine the laws of adulhood and make it legal to have sex with anybody then jebus help us.

    BTW in NJ a 18 year old can have sex with a 16 year old unless they are a teacher, family member or some authority figure.
    I'm not sure what our laws are on statutory rape here in Georgia.
    I think a young man of 18 though went to prison for 8 years or something ridiculous
    and was finally let out. He had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.
    He was also a rising high school sport star. His life ruined.
    What makes you think I would change the laws?

    I was only attempting to interpret this mans words and opinion/beliefs.
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    Pandora it sounds more like you're defending him.. it's indefensible.
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  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,864
    pandora wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Actually I saw it as no disrespect. He believes a woman can not conceive unless aroused,
    consensual as can happen in statutory rape etc.
    This what he means by legitimate rape,
    that the rape would be an assault causing a woman's body to not allow a pregnancy.
    Please read the origin of the his beliefs in the link I posted.
    I disagree with "shutting one's mouth" as you say because I believe in the basic right
    to freedom of speech in our great country and also the consequences that goes with that.
    there is no scientific basis for his beliefs. he is passing this off as proven science. please stop defending him for doing that.
    He is giving his opinion not passing anything off...

    I understand where his statement comes from though I do not agree with it.

    I believe he has a right to speak and will take the consequences for that.

    Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    so it's fine for a white supremacist to spout out hatred towards a black person in your eyes? they have the right to speak on this topic also? Where do you draw the line?
    I don't if someone wants to be ignorant let them

    There was a school teacher who did just this,
    he spoke on his own time, on a social media site against a group of people.
    We had a thread, I support freedom of speech.
  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    freedom of speech in one thing.. but if it's bigoted or discriminatory I would say their right for free speech SHOULD be broken.

    anyway.. he can believe what he likes but then their are the facts.. I can say I believe the sky is green when in actual fact it isn't. Clearly their have been countless pregnancies attributed to rape of every kind..

    lastly, I have a problem with your use of consensual or statutory rape definition.. if they are of a certain age they can't give consent no matter if they don't say no, or if they say yes, or if they make the first move... it's all rape and shouldn't be split into different definitions.
    oh boy are you one of those? :?

    tell that to the young man of eighteen who just made love to his future bride who is 16...
    yes in the eyes of the law true... in the heart of young woman's body ... not so much so.

    Yes I'm one of those people..

    well if you ARE ONE OF THOSE people who want to redefine the laws of adulhood and make it legal to have sex with anybody then jebus help us.

    BTW in NJ a 18 year old can have sex with a 16 year old unless they are a teacher, family member or some authority figure.
    Rape is about a lack of consent. There are a lot of factors that may impact someone's ability to consent, including the use of force, the use of substances or other factors that may render someone mentally incapacitated, one's age or someone having authority over someone of a certain age. They're all "legitimate rape." In fact someone who is assaulted by someone they know may suffer more chronic PTSD.
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    so it's fine for a white supremacist to spout out hatred towards a black person in your eyes? they have the right to speak on this topic also? Where do you draw the line?
    I don't if someone wants to be ignorant let them

    There was a school teacher who did just this,
    he spoke on his own time, on a social media site against a group of people.
    We had a thread, I support freedom of speech.

    I love freedom of speech I hate that it opens up to the ignorant and bigoted to say what they please.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,864
    pandora wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    so it's fine for a white supremacist to spout out hatred towards a black person in your eyes? they have the right to speak on this topic also? Where do you draw the line?
    I don't if someone wants to be ignorant let them

    There was a school teacher who did just this,
    he spoke on his own time, on a social media site against a group of people.
    We had a thread, I support freedom of speech.


    But you're not only defending his right to say it you also defended the belief itself, offering sources on why he feels this way.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    [quote="ComeToTX"
    Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.
    I would be understanding in that that is his opinion but his opinion here is very different
    than those scenarios you gave as those scenarios are proposing the violence and banning
    of a group of people.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited August 2012
    Rape is about a lack of consent. There are a lot of factors that may impact someone's ability to consent, including the use of force, the use of substances or other factors that may render someone mentally incapacitated, one's age or someone having authority over someone of a certain age. They're all "legitimate rape." In fact someone who is assaulted by someone they know may suffer more chronic PTSD.
    +1

    Aren't the majority of rapes in the Western world by someone known to the victim? Rape is rape... 'legitimate' :roll:

    About consent (or lack thereof), power, authority.
    Post edited by redrock on
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

    making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    does this kind of news actually shock people!? ... c'mon ... the entire political landscape is dotted with morons ... everyone should be more pissed at themselves for allowing these idiots to control everything ...

    well said...
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    ComeToTX wrote:

    But you're not only defending his right to say it you also defended the belief itself, offering sources on why he feels this way.
    It is his source of his opinion ... I did not say I agreed with it.

    I think you can understand this yes?
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    lukin2006 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    does this kind of news actually shock people!? ... c'mon ... the entire political landscape is dotted with morons ... everyone should be more pissed at themselves for allowing these idiots to control everything ...

    well said...
    definitely
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited August 2012
    polaris_x wrote:
    free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

    making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
    Summarised it all.
    Post edited by redrock on
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    [quote="ComeToTX"
    Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.
    I would be understanding in that that is his opinion but his opinion here is very different
    than those scenarios you gave as those scenarios are proposing the violence and banning
    of a group of people.

    why can't you just say what he said was wrong? if you say something bad about the tea baggers or the republicans donald trump isn't going to come to your door and fire you.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    polaris_x wrote:
    free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

    making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
    I agree it is not about free speech but one persons belief and opinion that he gave and will suffer the consequences for.
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

    making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
    I agree it is not about free speech but one persons belief and opinion that he gave and will suffer the consequences for.

    unless people keep defending his right to say whatever he pleases.. baseless facts.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    [quote="ComeToTX"
    Would you be as understanding if he said women should be shunned during their periods or stoned to death if they cheat on their husbands? These are other medieval beliefs.
    I would be understanding in that that is his opinion but his opinion here is very different
    than those scenarios you gave as those scenarios are proposing the violence and banning
    of a group of people.

    why can't you just say what he said was wrong? if you say something bad about the tea baggers or the republicans donald trump isn't going to come to your door and fire you.
    :lol:

    I like Mr trump would love to meet him :D

    Though I do not agree with this man's words as I know where babies come from ;)
    I understand he was speaking his opinion belief. I don't think that is wrong.
    I think many here took his word legitimate rape wrong and found it insulting
    though it was not intended to be....in my opinion.
  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,864
    pandora wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

    making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
    I agree it is not about free speech but one persons belief and opinion that he gave and will suffer the consequences for.

    freedom of speech let's you say basically whatever you want and not got to jail for it. it doesn't mean there won't be repercussions for things you say.
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  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    Rape is about a lack of consent. There are a lot of factors that may impact someone's ability to consent, including the use of force, the use of substances or other factors that may render someone mentally incapacitated, one's age or someone having authority over someone of a certain age. They're all "legitimate rape." In fact someone who is assaulted by someone they know may suffer more chronic PTSD.
    +1

    Aren't the majority of rapes in the Western world by someone known to the victim? Rape is rape... 'legitimate' :roll:

    About consent (or lack thereof), power, authority.
    Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

    Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
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  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    polaris_x wrote:
    free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

    making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
    well said. If you're going to talk about issues as fact and work to pass legislation on them, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    ComeToTX wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

    making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
    I agree it is not about free speech but one persons belief and opinion that he gave and will suffer the consequences for.

    freedom of speech let's you say basically whatever you want and not got to jail for it. it doesn't mean there won't be repercussions for things you say.
    yes conseqences as I said...
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    polaris_x wrote:
    free speech is a myth ... we do not have it ...

    making this an issue of free speech is absurd ... this is about a person running for elected office who is ignorant on a key issue that he is campaigning on ... dude didn't get caught being a dumbass on some topic he isn't supposed to know ... he got caught citing false information on a key issue of his ... which is critical in this period of misinformation ...
    well said. If you're going to talk about issues as fact and work to pass legislation on them, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.
    We see this in both party's it is laughable, twisting statistics, changing facts supporting an agenda,
    absolute straight away untruths... it's the name of the game

    I think that is politics :lol:
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

    Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
    Well... at least your body would 'shut down' and there wouldn't be risk of pregnancy - one less thing to worry about then.... :roll: Anyone trying to find excuses for this guy is just as ignorant. He should go hide in a little corner and hope the world (well.. US) forgets about him. And whilst he's in his little corner, he should brush up on his biology.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Yep - estimates are about 85% of the time the perpetrator is someone known to the victim. I think that can make healing even more complicated.

    Imagine if your neighbor, classmate, coworker, etc. robbed your house. Would that render it not a "legitimate robbery"? Would that make it any less devastating? I think that would make it even more confusing and violating.
    So you think he meant acquaintance rape is not legitimate rape?

    gee I don't think that is at all what he meant.
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