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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    dancepartner wrote:
    okay looking for personal message spot... give me a minute.

    Upper right, next to "view your posts".
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    You know, dancepartner, I'm going to get accused of trying to indoctrinate you- just watch! :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dancepartner
    dancepartner Posts: 324
    oh but it's true. thanks. lights out for me -- you've given me much to think on.
  • dancepartner
    dancepartner Posts: 324
    brianlux wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    I feel like I missed what prompted this thread.

    It's just about the fact that it occurs to me that despite our differing opinions when push comes to shove I would hope we would help out those with whom we interact, with whom we have common interests, etc. For example- I know a guy in my community who has many, many opposing views from mine. But he is a member of my community, we share a number of friends, and we care about the community in which we live. If the need arose, I would do anything within reason to help him out of a jam and I'm almost certain that he would do the same despite our differences. I'd bet on it.

    I tend to think of us on the forum as a kind of community even though it is a "virtual" one. We've had several occasions here where people have stepped up to the plate to help each other. "Bugs Amongst the Waves" was a good example of that (posted many times on The Porch in the past). I'd like to think that, because many of us have gotten to know each other through the forum, we would help each other if the need arises.

    Maybe I'm too idealist for my own good, but this is what I believe.
    and if you believe -- you think.
  • dancepartner
    dancepartner Posts: 324
    patience: the state of endurance under difficult circumstances. Forbearance. Breeds anxiety, fear, discouragement -- failure.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    dancepartner wrote:
    patience: the state of endurance under difficult circumstances. Forbearance. Breeds anxiety, fear, discouragement -- failure.

    Looking at the dictionary it seems the line between the two can be rather thin. Interesting to think about but I'm not sure how it fits here. :?:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dancepartner
    dancepartner Posts: 324
    patience: advice you gave. Good advice by the way. I looked it up to help me see what I needed and just thought I'd share it's definition here since "Thread Wars' seemed to be a musing about discussing topics that fall in the category 'A moving Train'. A train that appears stalled. Patience might get it going though...or not. Good luck back to you.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    dancepartner wrote:
    patience: advice you gave. Good advice by the way. I looked it up to help me see what I needed and just thought I'd share it's definition here since "Thread Wars' seemed to be a musing about discussing topics that fall in the category 'A moving Train'. A train that appears stalled. Patience might get it going though...or not. Good luck back to you.

    You're so right, dancepartner. I can see why you would see The Train as being stalled... or even wrecked at times. It's good to hear that from a fresh perspective because we all want to be engineers here with few conductors and brakemen. (I'm not pointing fingers- I need to improve that way also.) Some of the same basic arguments.... a-hem... I mean discussions here have been going in endless circles for years. Sometimes it seems like what we do is is debate merely for the sake of debating. Sometimes, sadly, it's just plain bating. Despite the frequent derailments it can still be a good place to find useful information and learn about others perspectives.

    (Sorry this is starting sound like that film of Gerald Ford over-using the ship metaphor that is used in debate classes. :lol: )
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dancepartner
    dancepartner Posts: 324
    Glad to see you are online. I didn't want to leave without saying goodbye. I shall consider that I found a friend here and will probably check-in now and again because of that.
    Moving train needs a conductor and it seems like you have the respect to do so. Besides, regardless of the jaded pomp, I see a glint of want emitting from others -- a conductor needed. In the meantime, bantered rants, muses and bates needs a category all their own. Something like 'This is not for you'. At least then I'd of known to stay out!! :shock:
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    dancepartner wrote:
    Glad to see you are online. I didn't want to leave without saying goodbye. I shall consider that I found a friend here and will probably check-in now and again because of that.
    Moving train needs a conductor and it seems like you have the respect to do so. Besides, regardless of the jaded pomp, I see a glint of want emitting from others -- a conductor needed. In the meantime, bantered rants, muses and bates needs a category all their own. Something like 'This is not for you'. At least then I'd of known to stay out!! :shock:

    Good idea! Unfortunately I'm pretty sure the bantering ranting musing and bating would continue elsewhere on the forum. But a lot of caring and compassion goes on here too. Oh, and fun!

    Hope to see you around, dancer.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    I think some people are just getting mean on a personal level in AMT, in varying degrees. Great topics... I wish some people would stop taking it all so personally though. (With one exception IMO - guess who that might be) there is no reason that we can't all totally disagree with one another, and still consider each other "friends" at the end of the day - friends who don't think the other is a fucking idiot. Just stop taking it all so personally and so to heart, and stop acting like someone who disagrees is just a fucking moron, and I bet we (in the collective sense) could debate with one another until we're blue in the face without feeling shitty afterwards, either because we've dealt it or taken it. ;) .... Not that I think that will happen! It's hard for people to stay level-headed and kind when they feel like their opinions are being shit upon. But there are plenty around here who are already nice calm influences, which is nice...

    PS - I assumed Brian was talking about the people on this forum if push came to shove, not about welfare and giving change to panhandlers... but I could be wrong.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I think some people are just getting mean on a personal level in AMT, in varying degrees. Great topics... I wish some people would stop taking it all so personally though. (With one exception IMO - guess who that might be) there is no reason that we can't all totally disagree with one another, and still consider each other "friends" at the end of the day - friends who don't think the other is a fucking idiot. Just stop taking it all so personally and so to heart, and stop acting like someone who disagrees is just a fucking moron, and I bet we (in the collective sense) could debate with one another until we're blue in the face without feeling shitty afterwards, either because we've dealt it or taken it. ;) .... Not that I think that will happen! It's hard for people to stay level-headed and kind when they feel like their opinions are being shit upon. But there are plenty around here who are already nice calm influences, which is nice...

    Great reminders, PJ_Soul. It's easy to get upset when others trounce your ideas and that can lead to lashing out in return. I've been guilty of that and it's good to be reminded to take the more level headed path.
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    PS - I assumed Brian was talking about the people on this forum if push came to shove, not about welfare and giving change to panhandlers... but I could be wrong.

    In this context I was referring to forum members. Of course there are a lot of us here and we can't reach out to everyone but when something comes to our attention, frequently the need is responded to with caring and generosity. Bugs Amongst The Waves which was started by GivenToLukinKP, Dwhite and others was a great example of that kind of extended family support.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    brianlux wrote:

    Great reminders, PJ_Soul. It's easy to get upset when others trounce your ideas and that can lead to lashing out in return. I've been guilty of that and it's good to be reminded to take the more level headed path.
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    PS - I assumed Brian was talking about the people on this forum if push came to shove, not about welfare and giving change to panhandlers... but I could be wrong.

    I've been guilty of it too. :oops: Although most of the time I'm not mad or anything, just debating, and other people get pissed off, so I'm made to feel bad because others are being so mean and angry ... which really seems silly - I shouldn't care - but I can't help it. I get the impression that a lot of people hate a lot of other people on AMT. It's a pretty shitty atmosphere, and I don't see why that should be the case. Especially not when a lot of us have or will someday meet one another in real life. Btw, I think AMT is a pretty accurate reflection on North American society right now - so split in view points, and so mad, and so under the impression that the opposing side are total fucking idiots, when that clearly can't be the case. And meanwhile, everyone is so fucking pissed off at everyone they can't focus on doing anything good for anything. Sigh. It's these kinds of huge divides that cause civil wars. :? I saw your post about Tm Head Brian... I'm not sure he's that far off the mark (even if his intent is to be incendiary). History shows that such profound separation in both the political and social realms in a society DOES lead to civil war... just as soon as something lights the fuse... like an economy that goes into the shitter.... Okay, sorry, I'm getting WAY off base! :) For the record, I do not condone starting a civil war. ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I've been guilty of it too. :oops: Although most of the time I'm not mad or anything, just debating, and other people get pissed off, so I'm made to feel bad because others are being so mean and angry ... which really seems silly - I shouldn't care - but I can't help it. I get the impression that a lot of people hate a lot of other people on AMT. It's a pretty shitty atmosphere, and I don't see why that should be the case. Especially not when a lot of us have or will someday meet one another in real life. Btw, I think AMT is a pretty accurate reflection on North American society right now - so split in view points, and so mad, and so under the impression that the opposing side are total fucking idiots, when that clearly can't be the case. And meanwhile, everyone is so fucking pissed off at everyone they can't focus on doing anything good for anything. Sigh. It's these kinds of huge divides that cause civil wars. :?
    I dunno...I disagree with it being a typically shitty atmosphere here (although, catch me on a day when I'm grumpy and I might say otherwise :D ).

    I think with few exceptions, it's really not that bad or hateful, and the discussions (at least from my point of view) are fairly civil and usually informative.

    For the record, I don't hate anyone, and think maybe only one or two are total fucking idiots......


    Kidding! :mrgreen:
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    hedonist wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I've been guilty of it too. :oops: Although most of the time I'm not mad or anything, just debating, and other people get pissed off, so I'm made to feel bad because others are being so mean and angry ... which really seems silly - I shouldn't care - but I can't help it. I get the impression that a lot of people hate a lot of other people on AMT. It's a pretty shitty atmosphere, and I don't see why that should be the case. Especially not when a lot of us have or will someday meet one another in real life. Btw, I think AMT is a pretty accurate reflection on North American society right now - so split in view points, and so mad, and so under the impression that the opposing side are total fucking idiots, when that clearly can't be the case. And meanwhile, everyone is so fucking pissed off at everyone they can't focus on doing anything good for anything. Sigh. It's these kinds of huge divides that cause civil wars. :?
    I dunno...I disagree with it being a typically shitty atmosphere here (although, catch me on a day when I'm grumpy and I might say otherwise :D ).

    I think with few exceptions, it's really not that bad or hateful, and the discussions (at least from my point of view) are fairly civil and usually informative.

    For the record, I don't hate anyone, and think maybe only one or two are total fucking idiots......


    Kidding! :mrgreen:
    Oh, it's not all like that of course. But for me sometimes the negative is just SO negative that it completely overruns everything else. It's like a drop of poison in the well I guess. A tiny bit of vitriol spoils the whole lot. That's how I feel sometimes anyway. But yeah, maybe it's just my own fluctuating moods determining my reactions... or my most recent runs ins (I mean, we did all just get through the green people thread :lol:) ... I think it's worst in the summer though. I think people are angrier when it's hot. Seriously. :|
    I don't hate anyone either (well... maybe one or something ;) ). I would be happy to be friends with anyone else, no matter how much we disagree ... I just feel like there are a solid number of others who don't feel that way.... or at least, they don't act like it by their treatment of others in some discussions .... Perhaps a lot of this is just a matter of people not expressing their intentions and moods very well when they post, I dunno (but come on there are a few who just act like jerks).

    (how bad can it be really, if I'm at risk of overstating my feelings about it... I'm still here!)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    hedonist wrote:
    I think with few exceptions, it's really not that bad or hateful, and the discussions (at least from my point of view) are fairly civil and usually informative.
    But that's because nobody crosses you Hedonist because if we do you'll sic that giant baseball throwing rabbit on us!

    :lol: :twisted: :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    But yeah, maybe it's just my own fluctuating moods determining my reactions... or my most recent runs ins (I mean, we did all just get through the green people thread :lol:) ... I think it's worst in the summer though. I think people are angrier when it's hot. Seriously. :|
    Oh, I hear you on both of those counts! Fucking hormones - AND heat :mrgreen:

    (ps...Brian - that's "wabbit" to you! ;) )
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    PS - I assumed Brian was talking about the people on this forum if push came to shove, not about welfare and giving change to panhandlers... but I could be wrong.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    Does anyone else here see AMT as a major stalemate these days. It seems more like threadbare than thread wars lately. What are we doing here? :|
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    brianlux wrote:
    Does anyone else here see AMT as a major stalemate these days. It seems more like threadbare than thread wars lately. What are we doing here? :|
    I think we've all just been waiting to make sure that DS has calmed down. :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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