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brianlux

There are lots of them on AMT. But I'll bet if push came to shove most if not all of us would stand up for or shell out to help each other in a tight spot. Jeez- I hope so.

Prince Of Dorkness

Meh.

Not everyone.

Honestly... some times I figure that evolution just has a way of taking some people out of the gene pool.

Says the gay guy with no kids.
:fp:

DS1119

brianlux wrote:

There are lots of them on AMT. But I'll bet if push came to shove most if not all of us would stand up for or shell out to help each other in a tight spot. Jeez- I hope so.

Ummm...agree and disagree. If I saw someone drowning in a pool, sure I'll try and help them out as best I can. If I see a drunk on the street I'm not giving him my money. However when I'm drunk I'm actually known for giving away money to people on the streets. :fp: I just firmly believe in taking care of yourself and your own and what happens...happens. I believe that if everyone in this society had that mindsight it would be a much better place. If you live your life waiting for handouts...you're just a drag. Go get it yourself. If you feel society is "holding" you down...overcome it. There were and are pioneers in this country in every segment...it can and is done. What kind of odds could you have gotten in Vegas in the year 2000 on a bet of an African-American President within a 10 year time frame? Mind- boggling they would have been. I don't like him, but he got it done and I respect him for that. It's the whole have/have not argument in society that bums me out. If you're not happy with where you are, change it.

Jason P

Is this a new show on the Discovery Channel? :corn:

Jeanwah

brianlux wrote:

There are lots of them on AMT. But I'll bet if push came to shove most if not all of us would stand up for or shell out to help each other in a tight spot. Jeez- I hope so.

I would like to hope so too. I know there's some who wouldn't but I'm just gonna hope that they might, pending the circumstances.

The Fixer

DS1119 wrote:

I just firmly believe in taking care of yourself and your own and what happens...happens. I believe that if everyone in this society had that mindsight it would be a much better place. If you live your life waiting for handouts...you're just a drag. Go get it yourself. If you feel society is "holding" you down...overcome it. There were and are pioneers in this country in every segment...it can and is done. What kind of odds could you have gotten in Vegas in the year 2000 on a bet of an African-American President within a 10 year time frame? Mind- boggling they would have been. I don't like him, but he got it done and I respect him for that. It's the whole have/have not argument in society that bums me out. If you're not happy with where you are, change it.

g under p

DS1119 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

There are lots of them on AMT. But I'll bet if push came to shove most if not all of us would stand up for or shell out to help each other in a tight spot. Jeez- I hope so.

Ummm...agree and disagree. If I saw someone drowning in a pool, sure I'll try and help them out as best I can. If I see a drunk on the street I'm not giving him my money. However when I'm drunk I'm actually known for giving away money to people on the streets. :fp: I just firmly believe in taking care of yourself and your own and what happens...happens. I believe that if everyone in this society had that mindsight it would be a much better place. If you live your life waiting for handouts...you're just a drag. Go get it yourself. If you feel society is "holding" you down...overcome it. There were and are pioneers in this country in every segment...it can and is done. What kind of odds could you have gotten in Vegas in the year 2000 on a bet of an African-American President within a 10 year time frame? Mind- boggling they would have been. I don't like him, but he got it done and I respect him for that. It's the whole have/have not argument in society that bums me out. If you're not happy with where you are, change it.

Bravo... However, let's take it further how about getting those odds from Vegas after 9/11 with a African American whose name has a name Barack Hussein Obama. The number would be infinite and most people would have told you are nuts. The world would come to an end before that could ever happen.



I would help anybody in a critical situation out EVEN those I don't like. I love to help people ESPECIALLY those who like to help themselves FIRST.

peace

mydogmookieblaylock

if you were drowning and had on a PJ shirt i would swim out and try to save you --- if you had on an Ed Hardy shirt i would swim out and try to drown you.
it is what it is

hedonist

I feel like I missed what prompted this thread.

Anyway, I'm kinda with g under p and DS on certain points...although the whole "first black / first anything" mindset irritates me. Who cares? I really don't. I just want whomever takes any kind of office to be capable of it, to be decent, to not divide, to be honest, to not disappoint. Step up, don't pander, and have some balls.

As for helping others out - I'm honestly not sure what I'd do in a life-or-death situation. To save myself or my guy, I think/hope I'd step up. For others, honestly, I'm not sure (I'm not talking about doing the Heimlich or CPR - I'd definitely go there). But on the financial side, well...yes, I do judge when it comes to this sometimes. I work hard for what I have and am not so willing to hand it out to someone able to help themselves but won't.

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

I feel like I missed what prompted this thread.

It's just about the fact that it occurs to me that despite our differing opinions when push comes to shove I would hope we would help out those with whom we interact, with whom we have common interests, etc. For example- I know a guy in my community who has many, many opposing views from mine. But he is a member of my community, we share a number of friends, and we care about the community in which we live. If the need arose, I would do anything within reason to help him out of a jam and I'm almost certain that he would do the same despite our differences. I'd bet on it.

I tend to think of us on the forum as a kind of community even though it is a "virtual" one. We've had several occasions here where people have stepped up to the plate to help each other. "Bugs Amongst the Waves" was a good example of that (posted many times on The Porch in the past). I'd like to think that, because many of us have gotten to know each other through the forum, we would help each other if the need arises.

Maybe I'm too idealist for my own good, but this is what I believe.

hedonist

Thanks for clarifying, Brian.

I can say that there are some here I agree with, many I disagree with, some in-between (and, of course, nowhere near 100% agreement with anyone here, there or anywhere - as I'd assume the same would be said about myself by others); however, I think most in this forum are good people who would extend themselves if the need arose.

hedonist

ugh...made it halfway through the Paul Ryan thread.

Now I somewhat get it

Prince Of Dorkness

Oh don't spoil my fun.

hedonist

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

ugh...made it halfway through the Paul Ryan thread.

Now I somewhat get it

:thumbup:

g under p

hedonist wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, Brian.

I can say that there are some here I agree with, many I disagree with, some in-between (and, of course, nowhere near 100% agreement with anyone here, there or anywhere - as I'd assume the same would be said about myself by others); however, I think most in this forum are good people who would extend themselves if the need arose.

Some years back i was on a flight to MD fro FL and the flight attendants were going through their pre-flight safety instructions. A lady behind my seat to my right kept talking and speaking very loud to the point I couldn't hear the flight attendents.

Nobody moved to do anything people just looked at each other. I unbuckled my belt leaned over and said...excuse me, exc-u-s-e me, I really NEED to hear this because there maybe unfortunately come the occasion that I might have to save you and anybody elses life so PLEASE let me hear this!

She never said another word as the other passengers surprisingly started to clap. The man next to me put his hand on mine and smiled at me. We had a safe flight and while walking through the airport I saw the very same talking passenger in a wheelchair apparently unable to walk the distance to collect her baggage.

I'm always willing to help but don't take advantage that I will.

Peace

barger395

I just firmly believe in taking care of yourself and your own and what happens...happens. I believe that if everyone in this society had that mindsight it would be a much better place. If you live your life waiting for handouts...you're just a drag. Go get it yourself. If you feel society is "holding" you down...overcome it. There were and are pioneers in this country in every segment...it can and is done. What kind of odds could you have gotten in Vegas in the year 2000 on a bet of an African-American President within a 10 year time frame? Mind- boggling they would have been. I don't like him, but he got it done and I respect him for that. It's the whole have/have not argument in society that bums me out. If you're not happy with where you are, change it.[/quote]

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Well said.

Cheers,
Barger

Prince Of Dorkness

If you people are all so against "hand outs," why are you seemingly so desperate to reward Meghan McCain and Paris Hilton and Donald Trump's kid for being rich?

hedonist

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

If you people are all so against "hand outs," why are you seemingly so desperate to reward Meghan McCain and Paris Hilton and Donald Trump's kid for being rich?

Me, I'm against forced handouts. I'm a pretty giving person of my own accord and dictated by my conscience.

I'm not sure where you draw the conclusion that I'm [the "I" being collective] for "rewarding" anyone, rich or not. People reap their own rewards, or not; and if they do, this doesn't make them bad, bad people.

I think this is why it's sometimes so frustrating to have a constructive discussion about certain issues - too many assumptions.

(ps...if I had a dick, the vapid Ms. Hilton could suck it)

brianlux

I meant for this thread to be more about us as a kind of community or extended family rather than the world at large. Yes, we're a very peripheral extended family for most of us, but never-the-less we do form a community of sorts. I'm very idealist about taking care of members of community.

As far as "hand outs" goes, if we're talking about social services, I've stated elsewhere that I believe they are important but also agree that there is a lot of waste and this should be dealt with, rather than just dismantle the services all together. As far as giving money to people on the street with cardboard signs, panhandlers, that sort of thing I believe we should do what feels right. I don't always give money but more and more I do because I think that to stand out on a smog chocked street corner you'd have to be either desperate or crazy and I have no problem helping people who are desperate or crazy. I also believe if you don't want to give, then don't, but I can't understand criticizing these people because, like I said, they have to be either desperate or crazy and I'm not into putting down those kind of people.

"Be kind"
-Illona Anne Cogswater, Daughter of God

Prince Of Dorkness

hedonist wrote:

People reap their own rewards, or not; and if they do, this doesn't make them bad, bad people.

OK, and what are we "rewarding" those billionaire's kids who've never had to really work for much, exactly?