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DS1119

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

hedonist wrote:

People reap their own rewards, or not; and if they do, this doesn't make them bad, bad people.

OK, and what are we "rewarding" those billionaire's kids who've never had to really work for much, exactly?

This is jealously. Next.

Prince Of Dorkness

DS1119 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

If you people are all so against "hand outs," why are you seemingly so desperate to reward Meghan McCain and Paris Hilton and Donald Trump's kid for being rich?

Really? :fp: How is this "handouts"? If they have reality shows/show up in newspapers, etc. we as a free society have the choice to watch them or not. If you're referring to "hand outs" as the money they inherit...I hope you don't/or haven't ever received/or will receive an inheriticance of any amount because you should come under the same scrutiny then I guess.

I'm talking about the massive tax cuts rewarded to the mega rich who haven't really done anything to earn them. While I do support incentives for creating jobs and businesses, just cutting taxes for people simply because they have money seems a bit counter-productive.

I assume you know that's what I'm talking about, and are just trying to pick another fight with me since you seem to crave my attention so much. You may want to explore why that is.

DS1119

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I'm talking about the massive tax cuts rewarded to the mega rich who haven't really done anything to earn them. While I do support incentives for creating jobs and businesses, just cutting taxes for people simply because they have money seems a bit counter-productive.

I assume you know that's what I'm talking about, and are just trying to pick another fight with me since you seem to crave my attention so much. You may want to explore why that is.

Actually you responded to my posts...not the other way around. Who's "attention seeking"? :?

Again, I will ask...what do you determine as the mega rich? What do you determine as someone who didn't earn it? Who do you consider someone who "has money"? Please fill me in? :corn:

Prince Of Dorkness

DS1119 wrote:

Actually you responded to my posts...

Did you get dropped on your head a lot as a child?

DS1119 wrote:

Please fill me in? :corn:

Not if you were the last Internet troll on earth.

DS1119

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Actually you responded to my posts...

Did you get dropped on your head a lot as a child?

DS1119 wrote:

Please fill me in? :corn:

Not if you were the last Internet troll on earth.

...so says the person who no longer has aything to respond when basic logic gets brought down to the point they no longer have a leg to stand on. I'm still waiting for your definition of the "mega rich". :corn:

mydogmookieblaylock

DS1119 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Actually you responded to my posts...

Did you get dropped on your head a lot as a child?

DS1119 wrote:

Please fill me in? :corn:

Not if you were the last Internet troll on earth.

...so says the person who no longer has aything to respond when basic logic gets brought down to the point they no longer have a leg to stand on. I'm still waiting for your definition of the "mega rich". :corn:

a thread war within a thread war thread.

deep

hedonist

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

a thread war within a thread war thread.

deep

I was gonna say "Inception", but that film lost me 15 minutes into it

Prince Of Dorkness

hedonist wrote:

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

a thread war within a thread war thread.

deep

I was gonna say "Inception", but that film lost me 15 minutes into it

I was thinking it was more like the Thirtheenth Floor.

brianlux

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

a thread war within a thread war thread.

deep

Well, fuck, this is not where I wanted this to go but... "a thread war within a thread war thread"... that is pretty funny!

I may have said this before so excuse me if I repeat myself but AMT is a little like the Ramones- a dysfunctional family that stays together despite big differences: Joey- the beautiful New York Jewish left wing geek, Johnny- the rough neck no-bullshit right wing disciplinarian, Dee Dee- the creative lovable pain-in-the-ass and Tommy- the wizard if-nobody-else-can-do-it-I'll-learn-how architect (and several other notable members of the "family" who helped keep it going).

When asked if he would stick up for Joey Johnny once said (after thinking about it a moment), "Well, yeah, he's a part of the Ramones... and I love the Ramones... so, yeah".

That's what I was going for here. Maybe I'm wrong?

Jeanwah

brianlux wrote:

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

a thread war within a thread war thread.

deep

Well, fuck, this is not where I wanted this to go but... "a thread war within a thread war thread"... that is pretty funny!

I may have said this before so excuse me if I repeat myself but AMT is a little like the Ramones- a dysfunctional family that stays together despite big differences: Joey- the beautiful New York Jewish left wing geek, Johnny- the rough neck no-bullshit right wing disciplinarian, Dee Dee- the creative lovable pain-in-the-ass and Tommy- the wizard if-nobody-else-can-do-it-I'll-learn-how architect (and several other notable members of the "family" who helped keep it going).

When asked if he would stick up for Joey Johnny once said (after thinking about it a moment), "Well, yeah, he's a part of the Ramones... and I love the Ramones... so, yeah".

That's what I was going for here. Maybe I'm wrong?

Maybe we need to form a band then! Because that kind of loyalty exists in tighter, smaller groups.

hedonist

brianlux wrote:

When asked if he would stick up for Joey Johnny once said (after thinking about it a moment), "Well, yeah, he's a part of the Ramones... and I love the Ramones... so, yeah".

That's what I was going for here. Maybe I'm wrong?

Not too far off -- I hope

mydogmookieblaylock

brianlux wrote:

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

a thread war within a thread war thread.

deep

Well, fuck, this is not where I wanted this to go but... "a thread war within a thread war thread"... that is pretty funny!

I may have said this before so excuse me if I repeat myself but AMT is a little like the Ramones- a dysfunctional family that stays together despite big differences: Joey- the beautiful New York Jewish left wing geek, Johnny- the rough neck no-bullshit right wing disciplinarian, Dee Dee- the creative lovable pain-in-the-ass and Tommy- the wizard if-nobody-else-can-do-it-I'll-learn-how architect (and several other notable members of the "family" who helped keep it going).

When asked if he would stick up for Joey Johnny once said (after thinking about it a moment), "Well, yeah, he's a part of the Ramones... and I love the Ramones... so, yeah".

That's what I was going for here. Maybe I'm wrong?

Nope you are probably right my friend --- btw have you read "Commando" ... easiest read ever and good book

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

When asked if he would stick up for Joey Johnny once said (after thinking about it a moment), "Well, yeah, he's a part of the Ramones... and I love the Ramones... so, yeah".

That's what I was going for here. Maybe I'm wrong?

Not too far off -- I hope

Lately it seems that every time I visit AMT "We're a Happy Family" starts playing in my head.

brianlux

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Nope you are probably right my friend --- btw have you read "Commando" ... easiest read ever and good book

Not yet but having just finished Mickey Leigh's excellent I Slept With Joey Ramone next up on my list is Commando. I don't have a copy on hand so thanks for the reminder to order one!

riotgrl

brianlux wrote:

I meant for this thread to be more about us as a kind of community or extended family rather than the world at large. Yes, we're a very peripheral extended family for most of us, but never-the-less we do form a community of sorts. I'm very idealist about taking care of members of community.

As far as "hand outs" goes, if we're talking about social services, I've stated elsewhere that I believe they are important but also agree that there is a lot of waste and this should be dealt with, rather than just dismantle the services all together. As far as giving money to people on the street with cardboard signs, panhandlers, that sort of thing I believe we should do what feels right. I don't always give money but more and more I do because I think that to stand out on a smog chocked street corner you'd have to be either desperate or crazy and I have no problem helping people who are desperate or crazy. I also believe if you don't want to give, then don't, but I can't understand criticizing these people because, like I said, they have to be either desperate or crazy and I'm not into putting down those kind of people.

"Be kind"
-Illona Anne Cogswater, Daughter of God

I like to think we are a community here. Certainly, we all love PJ or we wouldn't even be here and isn't that how communities form - through common connections. I would certainly help anyone here regardless of difference of opinion. I believe that a strong sense of community is vital and is very much missing in our society. We seem to believe that taking care of number 1 is the best way to achieve our goals when I wonder if we wouldn't achieve higher individual and group goals by looking out for the other guy first instead. I don't know - I'm still working out these thoughts about community after all my reading this summer!

hedonist

riotgrl wrote:

I like to think we are a community here. Certainly, we all love PJ or we wouldn't even be here and isn't that how communities form - through common connections. I would certainly help anyone here regardless of difference of opinion. I believe that a strong sense of community is vital and is very much missing in our society. We seem to believe that taking care of number 1 is the best way to achieve our goals when I wonder if we wouldn't achieve higher individual and group goals by looking out for the other guy first instead. I don't know - I'm still working out these thoughts about community after all my reading this summer!

Thoughtful post.

But, I don't believe that looking after oneself first (barring those closest to us) equates to not caring about or not being willing to help others.

I could swear I've read this analogy here before and if so, apologies for the repetitiveness, but it's sort of like the oxygen mask that drops when you're on a plane. Use it first, then you can take care of others.

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

I like to think we are a community here. Certainly, we all love PJ or we wouldn't even be here and isn't that how communities form - through common connections. I would certainly help anyone here regardless of difference of opinion. I believe that a strong sense of community is vital and is very much missing in our society. We seem to believe that taking care of number 1 is the best way to achieve our goals when I wonder if we wouldn't achieve higher individual and group goals by looking out for the other guy first instead. I don't know - I'm still working out these thoughts about community after all my reading this summer!

Thoughtful post.

But, I don't believe that looking after oneself first (barring those closest to us) equates to not caring about or not being willing to help others.

I could swear I've read this analogy here before and if so, apologies for the repetitiveness, but it's sort of like the oxygen mask that drops when you're on a plane. Use it first, then you can take care of others.

Yeah, I agree with that concept. When I worked in the Human Services program at our local community college we taught something called "Trinity Safety". We'd ask student to place the following in order of safety priority (alphabetized here):

Agency
Client
Counselor

The correct order starting with who or what gets priority for safety is:

Agency
Counselor
Client.

Generally speaking, if the agency fails the counselor loses his or her job and the client has no where to turn.

This, of course, is all done in the best interest of the client.

(Please, everyone, understand that this relates to clients who seek help through an agency. I really don't mean to get start another argument about private vs social services. That is unrelated to the point being made here.)

Jeanwah

hedonist wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

I like to think we are a community here. Certainly, we all love PJ or we wouldn't even be here and isn't that how communities form - through common connections. I would certainly help anyone here regardless of difference of opinion. I believe that a strong sense of community is vital and is very much missing in our society. We seem to believe that taking care of number 1 is the best way to achieve our goals when I wonder if we wouldn't achieve higher individual and group goals by looking out for the other guy first instead. I don't know - I'm still working out these thoughts about community after all my reading this summer!

Thoughtful post.

But, I don't believe that looking after oneself first (barring those closest to us) equates to not caring about or not being willing to help others.

I could swear I've read this analogy here before and if so, apologies for the repetitiveness, but it's sort of like the oxygen mask that drops when you're on a plane. Use it first, then you can take care of others.

I agree. How can we take care of others if we're not taking care of ourselves first? We have to be healthy in order to care for others. I've had friends who put their kids first on their long lists of priorities, but they got so run down and sick from not ensuring their own health that they would collapse, which in effect hurt the kids. Same with a job: without healthy and rested employees, the company will feel the strain from the mistakes made, the time off for sickness, etc, etc.

Snakeduck

Got the wrong guy here. I don't speak to most of my own blood family as I see them as the enemy to the causes I hold dear. There are some folks here I could chat with, and others I'd like to set on fire. But that's just me...

JonnyPistachio

This thread is gold Jerry, gold!
a band from the AMT, that would be great. See you all in the lounge train car on friday.