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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    but still this goes away from the point that DS is making which is ... eh that a Japanese car is the biggest selling in America? wow.. that does prove the US has done more in 200 years than any other country ever

    must. resist. LOL. smilies...
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    I dont have to... I gave you the name of the Chief Engineer of the Camry.... you want people to think it was an american design by an american? YOU prove it.


    He was the chief engineer of the redesigned Camry of 2002...almost 15 years after the Camry was introduced to the US market and the World. I don't have to prove shit. If you somehow want to disparove what I say...go for it...especailly when it comes to the auto business...especially the auto business in the US. Go for it? :corn: :lol:

    you havent proved anything so how can i "disparove" what you've typed?

    The original 1982 Camry was designed by the Japanese.


    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    Keep googling! You'll find it eventually!
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    edited August 2012
    DS1119 wrote:


    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    Keep googling! You'll find it eventually!


    nah, I dont need to... already know it was the Japanese.

    just like it was the French who invented denim.
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    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2012
    DS1119 wrote:
    Without some google search,,,the Tsunami in Japan last year. US forces are STILL there trying to help with the mess. And yes, the Iraqis as a whole are happy we destroyed their "country" if that what you want to call it?! :lol: Anything more? :lol: :fp:

    Which implies that U.S forces are the only international contingent helping out in the wake of the Japanese tsunami, which they aren't. Though once again you moved the goalposts as soon as you realized your 'argument' was moot. Because as you know, we were talking about the capability of countries other than the U.S to drop bombs on people, which you dismissed.

    Anyway, read on...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... an-tsunami

    Around 500 rescue and relief specialists and 30 rescue dogs from around the world have arrived in Japan to help search for survivors.

    The contingent includes 63 fire service search and rescue specialists from the UK, who took up to 11 tonnes of rescue equipment, including heavy lifting and cutting equipment, two rescue dogs and a medical support team, and two teams from the US, comprising almost 150 people and dogs trained to detect live victims.

    Some members of the UK team have recently returned from Christchurch in New Zealand, which was hit by an earthquake last month. They are due to begin their search at first light tomorrow.

    Countries still deeply affected by natural disasters or political unrest – including Pakistan, New Zealand, Afghanistan and Bolivia – are among those offering aid and support. China, which is engaged in a border dispute with Japan and views its neighbour with deep suspicion, is among the 17 Asian states that have pledged help, offering $4.5m (£2.8m) in aid.

    The first shipment of emergency materials, including 2,000 blankets, 900 tents and 200 emergency lights, was due to be flown from Shanghai to Tokyo today. New Zealand, meanwhile, has sent a 65-strong search and rescue team.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    I dont have to... I gave you the name of the Chief Engineer of the Camry.... you want people to think it was an american design by an american? YOU prove it.


    He was the chief engineer of the redesigned Camry of 2002...almost 15 years after the Camry was introduced to the US market and the World. I don't have to prove shit. If you somehow want to disparove what I say...go for it...especailly when it comes to the auto business...especially the auto business in the US. Go for it? :corn: :lol:

    you havent proved anything so how can i "disparove" what you've typed?

    The original 1982 Camry was designed by the Japanese.


    You are really messed up? :lol: You posted a random name...I proved it was false...any other random Japanes names you have? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    but still this goes away from the point that DS is making which is ... eh that a Japanese car is the biggest selling in America? wow.. that does prove the US has done more in 200 years than any other country ever

    must. resist. LOL. smilies...


    When all else fails...give up Dunkman. :lol: try another google search! Try Toyota...Camry...invented....I won't fill in the rest for you. :lol:
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Without some google search,,,the Tsunami in Japan last year. US forces are STILL there trying to help with the mess. And yes, the Iraqis as a whole are happy we destroyed their "country" if that what you want to call it?! :lol: Anything more? :lol: :fp:

    Which implies that U.S forces are the only international contingent helping out in the wake of the Japanese tsunami, which they aren't.


    I never said the US were the only one's. Can you find where I said that...because I don't remember it? :lol:
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:


    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    Keep googling! You'll find it eventually!


    nah, I dont need to... already know it was the Japanese.

    just like it was the French who invented denim.


    So you don't want to keep googling for who created the Camry? I thought you already knew when you cited Kenichiro Fuse? :? :fp: Are you trying to make a fib Dunkman? :lol:
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DS1119 wrote:
    :lol: Love how NBC delayed the closing ceremonies for a preview of a new comedy show. :lol: Pretty much says it all. :lol:

    Except this just happens to be more bullshit.

    NBC didn't delay the Olympics closing ceremony. They don't have that power. They simply edited out the performances by Muse & The Who from their coverage.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    DS1119 wrote:
    You are really messed up? :lol: You posted a random name...I proved it was false...any other random Japanes names you have? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    dude, you're making yourself into the laughing stock of this forum

    you said "You also realize that the Camrys and Accords (the best selling cars in the world) are actually produced by Americans."


    first of all they arent the best selling cars in the world... so I should know at this point you know fuck-all about the auto industry. (its actually the Corolla)

    secondly you said "The Camry's and Accords were designed by AMerican designers and engineers actually. They were cars designed specifically for the AMerican public and then boomed worldwide."

    no they werent. Toyota designed the Camry V10 for the Japanese market. But they exported it worldwide.

    I'm actually going for lunch but afterwards I'm going to post a highlight of the fantastical shit you have posted on this thread alone.... its actually hilarious how much stuff you have got wrong.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DS1119 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Without some google search,,,the Tsunami in Japan last year. US forces are STILL there trying to help with the mess. And yes, the Iraqis as a whole are happy we destroyed their "country" if that what you want to call it?! :lol: Anything more? :lol: :fp:

    Which implies that U.S forces are the only international contingent helping out in the wake of the Japanese tsunami, which they aren't.


    I never said the US were the only one's. Can you find where I said that...because I don't remember it? :lol:

    Look at your comment quoted above: 'US forces are STILL there trying to help with the mess.' You were talking about how the whole World depends on, and is at the mercy of, the U.S. Your comment implies that Japan would have been helpless without assistance from the U.S. Which just happens to be pure crap.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    DS1119 wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:


    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    Keep googling! You'll find it eventually!


    nah, I dont need to... already know it was the Japanese.

    just like it was the French who invented denim.


    So you don't want to keep googling for who created the Camry? I thought you already knew when you cited Kenichiro Fuse? :? :fp: Are you trying to make a fib Dunkman? :lol:

    dont need to... i know... you didnt actually say what era of Camry but I gave you the name of the CE of the latest model.

    now you still cant make up an american name for the designer of the 1st Camry.... plus, and i've quoted it for prosterity, you also said the first camry was designed by an american and for the american public.

    this is wrong, unless you can prove otherwise, as it's just you saying mental shit...

    its like saying the moon is made of cheese, and then when confronted with evidence its not, just doing :lol::lol::lol::lol: and saying "go on dunkman, google it" ... its as petty and infantile as that.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    :lol: Love how NBC delayed the closing ceremonies for a preview of a new comedy show. :lol: Pretty much says it all. :lol:

    Except this just happens to be more bullshit.

    NBC didn't delay the Olympics closing ceremony. They don't have that power. They simply edited out the performances by Muse & The Who from their coverage.


    you notice how he bypasses the information that it was the most watched TV event in US history... yet 13 posts ago he said no one cares about it...

    now thats worth about 14 LOLs :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    :lol: Love how NBC delayed the closing ceremonies for a preview of a new comedy show. :lol: Pretty much says it all. :lol:

    Except this just happens to be more bullshit.

    NBC didn't delay the Olympics closing ceremony. They don't have that power. They simply edited out the performances by Muse & The Who from their coverage.


    You're right. I stand corrected. The ceremony was actually already well over when it was played here. They delayed the ending replayed here in favor of a comedy. So they delayed the delay...a double whammy. :lol: :fp:
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    You are really messed up? :lol: You posted a random name...I proved it was false...any other random Japanes names you have? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    dude, you're making yourself into the laughing stock of this forum

    you said "You also realize that the Camrys and Accords (the best selling cars in the world) are actually produced by Americans."


    first of all they arent the best selling cars in the world... so I should know at this point you know fuck-all about the auto industry. (its actually the Corolla)

    secondly you said "The Camry's and Accords were designed by AMerican designers and engineers actually. They were cars designed specifically for the AMerican public and then boomed worldwide."

    no they werent. Toyota designed the Camry V10 for the Japanese market. But they exported it worldwide.

    I'm actually going for lunch but afterwards I'm going to post a highlight of the fantastical shit you have posted on this thread alone.... its actually hilarious how much stuff you have got wrong.


    Wow. :fp: Stay away from google and the few points you can pull out and try to quote (should have realized that when you tried with the Kenichiro Fuse reference like I wouldn' know). The corolla is the best selling car in the world (and the history of the automotive business for that matter) because it has been on sale for almost 50 years! :lol: :fp: That's cumulative. Check your numbers since the Camry and Accord have been on sale in the US. I'll wait for you to eat your luch and then get back to random google searches. Try again. :lol: I believe the "camry" essentially as we know it came out around 86...maybe 87...I'll need to check that...essentially before that is was a transformation of the Celica platform.
  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    DS1119 wrote:
    I don't have time to watch TV. I'm too busy striving for world domination. :wave:



    That's a great goal actually. Unfortunatley you'll be second there to the US. :lol:
    ummmm...I'm American :|:lol:

    I know...sometimes it's hard to recognize each other when we're not shooting our guns at the TV whilst wearing denim ;):lol:
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Look at your comment quoted above: 'US forces are STILL there trying to help with the mess.' You were talking about how the whole World depends on, and is at the mercy of, the U.S. Your comment implies that Japan would have been helpless without assistance from the U.S. Which just happens to be pure crap.


    :? Where did I imply anything? WHat I said is when shit like this goes down everyone looks to the US wondering what we will do. Thta's pretty much what I said. :fp:

    And it's the truth. :lol:
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    dont need to... i know... you didnt actually say what era of Camry but I gave you the name of the CE of the latest model.

    now you still cant make up an american name for the designer of the 1st Camry.... plus, and i've quoted it for prosterity, you also said the first camry was designed by an american and for the american public.

    this is wrong, unless you can prove otherwise, as it's just you saying mental shit...

    its like saying the moon is made of cheese, and then when confronted with evidence its not, just doing :lol::lol::lol::lol: and saying "go on dunkman, google it" ... its as petty and infantile as that.


    Great logic....did you make it out of school with this logic? :fp: :lol: I would rather have you find the name and post it...oh wait I thought you already did? His name is Kenichiro Fuse correct? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    Let's try your logic out and see how it goes. I can lift 1000 pounds...now prove me wrong DUnkman. Balls in your court! :lol:
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    DS1119 wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    You are really messed up? :lol: You posted a random name...I proved it was false...any other random Japanes names you have? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    dude, you're making yourself into the laughing stock of this forum

    you said "You also realize that the Camrys and Accords (the best selling cars in the world) are actually produced by Americans."


    first of all they arent the best selling cars in the world... so I should know at this point you know fuck-all about the auto industry. (its actually the Corolla)

    secondly you said "The Camry's and Accords were designed by AMerican designers and engineers actually. They were cars designed specifically for the AMerican public and then boomed worldwide."

    no they werent. Toyota designed the Camry V10 for the Japanese market. But they exported it worldwide.

    I'm actually going for lunch but afterwards I'm going to post a highlight of the fantastical shit you have posted on this thread alone.... its actually hilarious how much stuff you have got wrong.


    Wow. :fp: Stay away from google and the few points you can pull out and try to quote (should have realized that when you tried with the Kenichiro Fuse reference like I wouldn' know). The corolla is the best selling car in the world (and the history of the automotive business for that matter) because it has been on sale for almost 50 years! :lol: :fp: That's cumulative. Check your numbers since the Camry and Accord have been on sale in the US. I'll wait for you to eat your luch and then get back to random google searches. Try again. :lol: I believe the "camry" essentially as we know it came out around 86...maybe 87...I'll need to check that...essentially before that is was a transformation of the Celica platform.

    so the worlds best selling cars last year then? or year to date may 2011 to may 2012... or whatever month it is you can show that proves your theory... The Corolla is the biggest selling car of 2011... Ford Focus was second.



    you will need to check that as it was rolled out back in 1983
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2012
    DS1119 wrote:
    :lol: Love how NBC delayed the closing ceremonies for a preview of a new comedy show. :lol: Pretty much says it all. :lol:

    Actually, this is the equivalent of me sitting at home, watching the t.v, and deciding to change channels just before the end of the Olympics closing ceremony, and then claiming to have somehow tampered with, or delayed the Olympics closing ceremony.

    It's called ego-centrism. It can also be referred to as delusions of grandeur.

    Which brings us back to the original point which generated the last 15 pages of this thread, before you began trying to convince everyone that the U.S is at the forefront of everyone's thoughts, and is the greatest thing in the history of mankind.

    And it brings us back to my original question on page two of this thread, which, at the risk of a huge generalization, went something like this: Could it be that the prevalence of mass shootings in the U.S is in some way connected to how an abnormal amount of Americans appear to suffer from delusions of grandeur, and the feeling that they're living lives something akin to 'The Truman Show', which regards popularity, notoriety, and fame, as the pinnacles of human achievement? The U.S is saturated with mass media - more so than any other country I've visited. Is there a connection between all the Pop Idol bullshit, all the fear and violence generated daily by the media, and all these mass shootings that keep occurring over there?

    Wasn't this point made in the movie 'Natural Born Killers'?


    Is the U.S suffering from a form of collective Narcissistic personality disorder?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissist ... idemiology
    Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder[1] in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity...First formulated in 1968, it was historically called megalomania, and it is closely linked to egocentrism.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    :lol: Love how NBC delayed the closing ceremonies for a preview of a new comedy show. :lol: Pretty much says it all. :lol:

    Except this just happens to be more bullshit.

    NBC didn't delay the Olympics closing ceremony. They don't have that power. They simply edited out the performances by Muse & The Who from their coverage.


    you notice how he bypasses the information that it was the most watched TV event in US history... yet 13 posts ago he said no one cares about it...

    now thats worth about 14 LOLs :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    You may want to reference a post I made in the AET. 214 million viewers over 17 days total making it the biggest event in total. The Super Bowl last year had over 100 million viewers and that was what 3 hours? You know what...let's call the Super Bowl an entire whole day. :lol: Just using a little math...if the Super Bowl were 17 days long that would make...well you can do the math. :lol::lol:
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DS1119 wrote:
    WHat I said is when shit like this goes down everyone looks to the US wondering what we will do. :fp:


    No they don't.

    DS1119 wrote:
    And it's the truth. :lol:

    No it isn't. It's egocentrism. Big difference.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    DS1119 wrote:
    I don't have time to watch TV. I'm too busy striving for world domination. :wave:



    That's a great goal actually. Unfortunatley you'll be second there to the US. :lol:
    ummmm...I'm American :|:lol:

    I know...sometimes it's hard to recognize each other when we're not shooting our guns at the TV whilst wearing denim ;):lol:


    I know you're AMerican. I know that becasue you own 10's and 10's of shoes produced in China. :lol: I was referencing to the US in general. :lol:
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    so the worlds best selling cars last year then? or year to date may 2011 to may 2012... or whatever month it is you can show that proves your theory... The Corolla is the biggest selling car of 2011... Ford Focus was second.



    you will need to check that as it was rolled out back in 1983



    Wow. Keep googling Dunkman. You'll find that Kenichiro Fuse invented the Camry...oops you already tried that. Sorry. :fp: :lol:
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    DS1119 wrote:
    Great logic....did you make it out of school with this logic? :fp: :lol: I would rather have you find the name and post it...oh wait I thought you already did? His name is Kenichiro Fuse correct? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    Let's try your logic out and see how it goes. I can lift 1000 pounds...now prove me wrong DUnkman. Balls in your court! :lol:


    You also said the Camry was designed by an american for the american public... you never stated a year, make, model number, chassis code, anything... just come up with blanket statements... along the lines of "worlds best selling car" which is not true regardless of whether its cumulative or last year. I then told the Camry was designed by Kenichiro Fuse... but now you say "oh but i meant the 1980s version"

    It's your logic we're going with here... one minute its the Camry is the worlds best selling car (it isnt) that it was designed for the americans by an american ( it wasnt )
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    WHat I said is when shit like this goes down everyone looks to the US wondering what we will do. :fp:


    No they don't.

    DS1119 wrote:
    And it's the truth. :lol:

    No it isn't. It's egocentrism. Big difference.


    Really? They don't? Guess it's time for the US to cut off those financial aid checks then. :lol:
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    DS1119 wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    so the worlds best selling cars last year then? or year to date may 2011 to may 2012... or whatever month it is you can show that proves your theory... The Corolla is the biggest selling car of 2011... Ford Focus was second.



    you will need to check that as it was rolled out back in 1983



    Wow. Keep googling Dunkman. You'll find that Kenichiro Fuse invented the Camry...oops you already tried that. Sorry. :fp: :lol:

    never said that... i said he designed the latest Camry.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    DS1119 wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Except this just happens to be more bullshit.

    NBC didn't delay the Olympics closing ceremony. They don't have that power. They simply edited out the performances by Muse & The Who from their coverage.


    you notice how he bypasses the information that it was the most watched TV event in US history... yet 13 posts ago he said no one cares about it...

    now thats worth about 14 LOLs :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    You may want to reference a post I made in the AET. 214 million viewers over 17 days total making it the biggest event in total. The Super Bowl last year had over 100 million viewers and that was what 3 hours? You know what...let's call the Super Bowl an entire whole day. :lol: Just using a little math...if the Super Bowl were 17 days long that would make...well you can do the math. :lol::lol:

    i think 214million people tuning into something regardless of it being over 3 hours, 3 days or 2 weeks means it's a bit of bigger deal than what you were making out.

    your bumptious claim was that Americans couldnt care less about it... simple logic will tell you that 214 million viewers out of a population of 350 million means they do care about it... perhaps you dont, but thankfully, you are not the voice of america
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dunkman wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Great logic....did you make it out of school with this logic? :fp: :lol: I would rather have you find the name and post it...oh wait I thought you already did? His name is Kenichiro Fuse correct? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


    Let's try your logic out and see how it goes. I can lift 1000 pounds...now prove me wrong DUnkman. Balls in your court! :lol:


    You also said the Camry was designed by an american for the american public... you never stated a year, make, model number, chassis code, anything... just come up with blanket statements... along the lines of "worlds best selling car" which is not true regardless of whether its cumulative or last year. I then told the Camry was designed by Kenichiro Fuse... but now you say "oh but i meant the 1980s version"

    It's your logic we're going with here... one minute its the Camry is the worlds best selling car (it isnt) that it was designed for the americans by an american ( it wasnt )


    Well...yes it was designed for the US market and since being introduced to the US market in I belive 1987 as a full fledged "family sedan" along with the Accord those two models have been the best selling models in the world. I guess I should have qualified my statement...but then again you should know that...I mean after all you know who invented the Camry. It's Kenichiro Fuse! :lol::lol: I mean that is who you claim invented it correct or am I misquoting you? Or are you just failing to acknowledge that fact that you just tried to slip one by? :lol::lol:
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DS1119 wrote:
    WHat I said is when shit like this goes down everyone looks to the US wondering what we will do. :fp:


    DS1119 wrote:
    Really? They don't? Guess it's time for the US to cut off those financial aid checks then. :lol:


    Classic school playground banter this. Why I'm encouraging it by responding to these posts is beyond me.

    Maybe I should just let Dunkman run with this one, as he seems to be doing a good job of blowing all of these silly 'facts' out of the water.
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