what if this had been in America?

JonnyPistachio

DS1119 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

That has nothing to do with it. Nice try spinning it around though. Point is -- that you didnt address -- is that US Culture doesn't dominate the world. It simply doesn't. Yes, it spreads easily...but dominate? Nope. This is why the rest of the world thinks were arrogant. I'm done, see ya. Off to the Lounge car...

Your opinion...however the facts don't support that. I think I saw a picture of some kid in Angola wearing Nike sneakers talking on an iPhone once? BTW...I don't spin anything around...just state the facts.

:fp: You're ideas or 'facts' of culture are limited in this regard though. You're "facts" about jeans and iphones are hilarious. This is in fact an opinion debate. Its hard to measure culture. Sure, jeans and Mtv are cultural objects, but they are of little importance when it comes to the art, religion, education, architecture, knowledge, music, writing, science, theater, etc, that has existed for centuries and/or millenniums longer than anything in the USA. Maybe we're just talking about two different things here. :?

DS1119

eMMI wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

And MTV came from where? :?

America. Well done, you have proved American domination of the world.

Not to sound like an asshole but...pretty much yes. There is nothing this country does that EVERY other country doesn't watch. Just the facts.

DS1119

JonnyPistachio wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

That has nothing to do with it. Nice try spinning it around though. Point is -- that you didnt address -- is that US Culture doesn't dominate the world. It simply doesn't. Yes, it spreads easily...but dominate? Nope. This is why the rest of the world thinks were arrogant. I'm done, see ya. Off to the Lounge car...

Your opinion...however the facts don't support that. I think I saw a picture of some kid in Angola wearing Nike sneakers talking on an iPhone once? BTW...I don't spin anything around...just state the facts.

:fp: You're ideas or 'facts' of culture are limited in this regard though. You're "facts" about jeans and iphones are hilarious. This is in fact an opinion debate. Its hard to measure culture. Sure, jeans and Mtv are cultural objects, but they are of little importance when it comes to the art, religion, education, architecture, knowledge, music, writing, science, theater, etc, that has existed for centuries and/or millenniums longer than anything in the USA. Maybe we're just talking about two different things here. :?

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

Who Princess

DS1119 wrote:

Who Princess wrote:

Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_sweatshops

What does this have to do with the price of tea in CHina? :?

Interesting choice of phrases since most of the goods purchased in the U.S. are made in China.

DS1119 wrote:

I really don't care who makes them...I'm talking about who wears them If those people don't want to make them then find other work.

I suppose it wouldn't occur to you that children working long hours in hazardous conditions for substandard wages don't have the option of other work?

If you don't care about that part of it, you could at least concern yourself with the fact that American manufacturing jobs have been moving overseas, mostly to Asia and Latin America, because of the cheap labor. I don't mean "cheaper than union wages." I mean working conditions that don't provide a living wage.

But apparently you like having your apparel made in China, Pakistan or Peru (check your closet) since it allows us to distribute our spiffy American culture of blue jeans and Nikes to the rest of the world.

dunkman

DS1119 wrote:

eMMI wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

And MTV came from where? :?

America. Well done, you have proved American domination of the world.

Not to sound like an asshole but...pretty much yes. There is nothing this country does that EVERY other country doesn't watch. Just the facts.

you're just trying to provoke someone so they can rise to your bait.... oh and you dropped your hat.



I'll pick it up for you seeing as you'll be morbidly obese .... just going along with your own stereotype there bud... you think US rules the world and we all give a fuck about you, whereas we all just understand that you're fat loudmouths who think a Brazilian is an actual number.

eMMI

DS1119 wrote:

eMMI wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

And MTV came from where? :?

America. Well done, you have proved American domination of the world.

Not to sound like an asshole but...pretty much yes. There is nothing this country does that EVERY other country doesn't watch. Just the facts.

Oh don't worry, I don't think you sound like an asshole, just ridiculous.

The option to watch MTV outside of the US does not world domination make.

Godfather.

I've been looking into my crystal ball....this thread will be locked and ban's will be handed out :ugeek:

for more crystal ball readings and visions of the future
call; 1-800-Godfather.
and may the source be with you.

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

DS1119 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Your opinion...however the facts don't support that. I think I saw a picture of some kid in Angola wearing Nike sneakers talking on an iPhone once? BTW...I don't spin anything around...just state the facts.

:fp: You're ideas or 'facts' of culture are limited in this regard though. You're "facts" about jeans and iphones are hilarious. This is in fact an opinion debate. Its hard to measure culture. Sure, jeans and Mtv are cultural objects, but they are of little importance when it comes to the art, religion, education, architecture, knowledge, music, writing, science, theater, etc, that has existed for centuries and/or millenniums longer than anything in the USA. Maybe we're just talking about two different things here. :?

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

facepalm. multiple facepalms in fact.

dunkman

DS1119 wrote:

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

someone needs to look up "British Empire" on wikipedia... in fact someone needs to look up the word "humility" in a dictionary.

A dictionary is a book by the way.

hedonist

dunkman wrote:

in fact someone needs to look up the word "humility" in a dictionary.

Bravo.

Narcissism sucks, dunk.

Who Princess

dunkman wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

someone needs to look up "British Empire" on wikipedia... in fact someone needs to look up the word "humility" in a dictionary.

A dictionary is a book by the way.

Yes, not only the British Empire (colonies throughout the world, impacting language and societies) but maybe a few others:

Roman Empire (ruled Europe, much of Asia and North Africa for centuries; influenced the formation of several modern languages; brought architecture and infrastructure to many countries) Spanish conquest of the New World (uh, what language is it they speak in Central and most of South America?)

JonnyPistachio

Who Princess wrote:

dunkman wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

someone needs to look up "British Empire" on wikipedia... in fact someone needs to look up the word "humility" in a dictionary.

A dictionary is a book by the way.

Yes, not only the British Empire (colonies throughout the world, impacting language and societies) but maybe a few others:

Roman Empire (ruled Europe, much of Asia and North Africa for centuries; influenced the formation of several modern languages; brought architecture and infrastructure to many countries) Spanish conquest of the New World (uh, what language is it they speak in Central and most of South America?)

What a joke, none of that is important if you cant watch the REAL WORLd on MTv!

Byrnzie

Who Princess wrote:

[Yes, not only the British Empire (colonies throughout the world, impacting language and societies) but maybe a few others:

Roman Empire (ruled Europe, much of Asia and North Africa for centuries; influenced the formation of several modern languages; brought architecture and infrastructure to many countries) Spanish conquest of the New World (uh, what language is it they speak in Central and most of South America?)

And the Muslim conquests: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_co ... val_Europe

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe were numerous, affecting such varied areas as art, architecture, medicine, agriculture, music, language, and technology. From the 11th to 13th centuries, Europe absorbed knowledge from the Islamic civilization. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in ... amic_world
According to [Ahmad] Dallal , science in medieval Islam was "practiced on a scale unprecedented in earlier human history or even contemporary human history"

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

This just made me giggle. Particularly since Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Dante, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Shakespeare and Darwin were all...you know...American

Zoso

comebackgirl wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

This just made me giggle. Particularly since Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Dante, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Shakespeare and Darwin were all...you know...American [/quote

america has given the wolrd a cheeseburger.. that's about it ; ) oh wait an aussie started mcdonald's

JonnyPistachio

comebackgirl wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

This just made me giggle. Particularly since Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Dante, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Shakespeare and Darwin were all...you know...American

Wait! who are these people? The new cast of Jersey Shore?

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

This just made me giggle. Particularly since Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Dante, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Shakespeare and Darwin were all...you know...American

Wait! who are these people? The new cast of Jersey Shore?

look em up Jp,actually some very cool history there.

Archimedes of Syracuse (Greek: Ἀρχιμήδης; c. 287 BC – c. 212 BC) was a Greek mathematician, physicist, engineer, inventor, and astronomer.[1] Although few details of his life are known, he is regarded as one of the leading scientists in classical antiquity. Among his advances in physics are the foundations of hydrostatics, statics and an explanation of the principle of the lever. He is credited with designing innovative machines, including siege engines and the screw pump that bears his name. Modern experiments have tested claims that Archimedes designed machines capable of lifting attacking ships out of the water and setting ships on fire using an array of mirrors.[2]

Archimedes is generally considered to be the greatest mathematician of antiquity and one of the greatest of all time.[3][4] He used the method of exhaustion to calculate the area under the arc of a parabola with the summation of an infinite series, and gave a remarkably accurate approximation of pi.[5] He also defined the spiral bearing his name, formulae for the volumes of surfaces of revolution and an ingenious system for expressing very large numbers.

Archimedes died during the Siege of Syracuse when he was killed by a Roman soldier despite orders that he should not be harmed. Cicero describes visiting the tomb of Archimedes, which was surmounted by a sphere inscribed within a cylinder. Archimedes had proven that the sphere has two thirds of the volume and surface area of the cylinder (including the bases of the latter), and regarded this as the greatest of his mathematical achievements.

Unlike his inventions, the mathematical writings of Archimedes were little known in antiquity. Mathematicians from Alexandria read and quoted him, but the first comprehensive compilation was not made until c. 530 AD by Isidore of Miletus, while commentaries on the works of Archimedes written by Eutocius in the sixth century AD opened them to wider readership for the first time. The relatively few copies of Archimedes' written work that survived through the Middle Ages were an influential source of ideas for scientists during the Renaissance,[6] while the discovery in 1906 of previously unknown works by Archimedes in the Archimedes Palimpsest has provided new insights into how he obtained mathematical results


Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

This just made me giggle. Particularly since Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Dante, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Shakespeare and Darwin were all...you know...American

Wait! who are these people? The new cast of Jersey Shore?

look em up Jp,actually some very cool history there.

Archimedes of Syracuse (Greek: Ἀρχιμήδης; c. 287 BC – c. 212 BC) was a Greek mathematician, physicist, engineer, inventor, and astronomer.[1] Although few details of his life are known, he is regarded as one of the leading scientists in classical antiquity. Among his advances in physics are the foundations of hydrostatics, statics and an explanation of the principle of the lever. He is credited with designing innovative machines, including siege engines and the screw pump that bears his name. Modern experiments have tested claims that Archimedes designed machines capable of lifting attacking ships out of the water and setting ships on fire using an array of mirrors.[2]

Archimedes is generally considered to be the greatest mathematician of antiquity and one of the greatest of all time.[3][4] He used the method of exhaustion to calculate the area under the arc of a parabola with the summation of an infinite series, and gave a remarkably accurate approximation of pi.[5] He also defined the spiral bearing his name, formulae for the volumes of surfaces of revolution and an ingenious system for expressing very large numbers.

Archimedes died during the Siege of Syracuse when he was killed by a Roman soldier despite orders that he should not be harmed. Cicero describes visiting the tomb of Archimedes, which was surmounted by a sphere inscribed within a cylinder. Archimedes had proven that the sphere has two thirds of the volume and surface area of the cylinder (including the bases of the latter), and regarded this as the greatest of his mathematical achievements.

Unlike his inventions, the mathematical writings of Archimedes were little known in antiquity. Mathematicians from Alexandria read and quoted him, but the first comprehensive compilation was not made until c. 530 AD by Isidore of Miletus, while commentaries on the works of Archimedes written by Eutocius in the sixth century AD opened them to wider readership for the first time. The relatively few copies of Archimedes' written work that survived through the Middle Ages were an influential source of ideas for scientists during the Renaissance,[6] while the discovery in 1906 of previously unknown works by Archimedes in the Archimedes Palimpsest has provided new insights into how he obtained mathematical results


Godfather.

Thanks G, I was being sarcastic.
I know most of them pretty well -- I work in science education.
But I'm curious how many of us cultured 'mericans would actually know half of those people's importance to world history, science and math.

comebackgirl

JonnyPistachio wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I would say in our short history of just over 200 years the US has had the biggest influence on the World in history actually. From a series of colonies to dominant World power in such a short time. I wonder what the people in Greenland have been up to in all this time?

This just made me giggle. Particularly since Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Dante, Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Shakespeare and Darwin were all...you know...American

Wait! who are these people? The new cast of Jersey Shore?

coming to MTV this fall!

Nice summary Godfather! thanks

DS1119

Who Princess wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Who Princess wrote:

Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_sweatshops

What does this have to do with the price of tea in CHina? :?

Interesting choice of phrases since most of the goods purchased in the U.S. are made in China.

DS1119 wrote:

I really don't care who makes them...I'm talking about who wears them If those people don't want to make them then find other work.

I suppose it wouldn't occur to you that children working long hours in hazardous conditions for substandard wages don't have the option of other work?

If you don't care about that part of it, you could at least concern yourself with the fact that American manufacturing jobs have been moving overseas, mostly to Asia and Latin America, because of the cheap labor. I don't mean "cheaper than union wages." I mean working conditions that don't provide a living wage.

But apparently you like having your apparel made in China, Pakistan or Peru (check your closet) since it allows us to distribute our spiffy American culture of blue jeans and Nikes to the rest of the world.

You hit the nail on the head when you said "children working long hours in hazardous conditions for substandard wages don't have the option of other work?". That's that countries issue...not ours. I for one hope the cheap products keep coming to us so we can keep the US children in school.