what if this had been in America?

DS1119

JonnyPistachio wrote:

That has nothing to do with it. Nice try spinning it around though. Point is -- that you didnt address -- is that US Culture doesn't dominate the world. It simply doesn't. Yes, it spreads easily...but dominate? Nope. This is why the rest of the world thinks were arrogant. I'm done, see ya. Off to the Lounge car...

Your opinion...however the facts don't support that. I think I saw a picture of some kid in Angola wearing Nike sneakers talking on an iPhone once? BTW...I don't spin anything around...just state the facts.

Who Princess

DS1119 wrote:

Who Princess wrote:

Weren't you thinking of moving to the Southwest? If you do, you're going to meet a LOT of people who speak Spanish and see plenty of signs in Spanish and Spanish publications.

A number of my co-workers are fluent in Spanish and they're not immigrants either, legal or undocumented. Our receptionist speaks it, which you might expect, but so does our executive director (the CEO or el jefe).

I don't understand your point? Many along the border here in NY can speak French as well. :?

But have huge numbers of French Canadians immigrated there, creating a necessity for French speakers?

You were commenting that you don't know anyone who speaks Spanish, that you'd never seen signs in Spanish or Spanish newspapers, as if Spanish speakers were a rarity in this country. I was trying to say that it's NOT AT ALL unusual in Texas or anywhere in the Southwest to find the things you mentioned. I know many people who speak Spanish and most of them aren't immigrants--they chose to learn it. I'm a health educator and we offer our classes in Spanish.

My point is that this country is more diverse than you're suggesting.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I think the problem is the definition of culture. if you call mass produced sneakers made by children in sweatshops in asia, then yes, I suppose you would be correct.

however, I personally don't call capitalist greed and labour abuse,"culture", but maybe some americans do?

DS1119

Who Princess wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Who Princess wrote:

Weren't you thinking of moving to the Southwest? If you do, you're going to meet a LOT of people who speak Spanish and see plenty of signs in Spanish and Spanish publications.

A number of my co-workers are fluent in Spanish and they're not immigrants either, legal or undocumented. Our receptionist speaks it, which you might expect, but so does our executive director (the CEO or el jefe).

I don't understand your point? Many along the border here in NY can speak French as well. :?

But have huge numbers of French Canadians immigrated there, creating a necessity for French speakers?

You were commenting that you don't know anyone who speaks Spanish, that you'd never seen signs in Spanish or Spanish newspapers, as if Spanish speakers were a rarity in this country. I was trying to say that it's NOT AT ALL unusual in Texas or anywhere in the Southwest to find the things you mentioned. I know many people who speak Spanish and most of them aren't immigrants--they chose to learn it. I'm a health educator and we offer our classes in Spanish.

My point is that this country is more diverse than you're suggesting.

I have NEVER said this country is not divesre. I have actually stated the exact oposite. :fp:

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think the problem is the definition of culture. if you call mass produced sneakers made by children in sweatshops in asia, then yes, I suppose you would be correct.

however, I personally don't call capitalist greed and labour abuse,"culture", but maybe some americans do?

This post is highly confusing to me. :?

Who Princess

DS1119 wrote:

Who Princess wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I don't understand your point? Many along the border here in NY can speak French as well. :?

But have huge numbers of French Canadians immigrated there, creating a necessity for French speakers?

You were commenting that you don't know anyone who speaks Spanish, that you'd never seen signs in Spanish or Spanish newspapers, as if Spanish speakers were a rarity in this country. I was trying to say that it's NOT AT ALL unusual in Texas or anywhere in the Southwest to find the things you mentioned. I know many people who speak Spanish and most of them aren't immigrants--they chose to learn it. I'm a health educator and we offer our classes in Spanish.

My point is that this country is more diverse than you're suggesting.

I have NEVER said this country is not divesre. I have actually stated the exact oposite. :fp:

No, you just said you don't know anybody who speaks Spanish and you've never seen a Spanish newspaper, as if that were the final word on people who are bilingual. Dunk said he encountered a lot of that when he traveled the U.S. I'm not surprised because I encounter it every day.

I thought about this yesterday when I got a letter from Toyota about my car. It was in English on one side, Spanish on the other. My water bill comes in both languages.

Sheesh, talking to you makes me tired. Have you ever considered being a little more open to other ideas?

Who Princess

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think the problem is the definition of culture. if you call mass produced sneakers made by children in sweatshops in asia, then yes, I suppose you would be correct.

however, I personally don't call capitalist greed and labour abuse,"culture", but maybe some americans do?

This post is highly confusing to me. :?

Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_sweatshops

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think the problem is the definition of culture. if you call mass produced sneakers made by children in sweatshops in asia, then yes, I suppose you would be correct.

however, I personally don't call capitalist greed and labour abuse,"culture", but maybe some americans do?

This post is highly confusing to me. :?

you and GF keep referring to american commerce (jeans, running shoes, motorcycles) as being cultural. which I personally think is ludicrous. but even so, look up how much of the american economic structure is built. upon the backs of hard working and under paid, sometimes underages foreigners. yep, that's culture for you. :roll:

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think the problem is the definition of culture. if you call mass produced sneakers made by children in sweatshops in asia, then yes, I suppose you would be correct.

however, I personally don't call capitalist greed and labour abuse,"culture", but maybe some americans do?

This post is highly confusing to me. :?

you and GF keep referring to american commerce (jeans, running shoes, motorcycles) as being cultural. which I personally think is ludicrous. but even so, look up how much of the american economic structure is built. upon the backs of hard working and under paid, sometimes underages foreigners. yep, that's culture for you. :roll:

As long as my country gets ahead...and I'm not trying to be a wiseass or firestarter like some people claim I am when I just state facts...why would I care? Seriously? If the "underage workers and foreigners" dont want or need the work...don't do it.

DS1119

Who Princess wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think the problem is the definition of culture. if you call mass produced sneakers made by children in sweatshops in asia, then yes, I suppose you would be correct.

however, I personally don't call capitalist greed and labour abuse,"culture", but maybe some americans do?

This post is highly confusing to me. :?

Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_sweatshops

What does this have to do with the price of tea in CHina? :? I really don't care who makes them...I'm talking about who wears them If those people don't want to make them then find other work.

stargirl69

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

what if what if ?????? any cheese with the whine at this party ?

Godfather.

we were hoping you'd bring your own, since yours is usually holier than ours.

:clap: Well done!

eMMI

Byrnzie wrote:

Emmi, does the U.S dominate headlines in Finland? (Actually, I already know the answer to that last one as I've spent a lot of time in Finland. And the answer is 'No').

I know you already answered this, but just to confirm: No.

Currently the Olympics dominate the headlines, which makes perfect sense. Sadly, I just checked the website of one of the biggest newspapers here and one of the headlines is for yet another mass shooting in America. But it's not at the top of the page or the biggest bit of news.

Also, isn't it depressing that the first bit of news I can see from the US is 7 people having been shot dead? :think:

DS1119 wrote:

Yes I have. Through Europe actually. They played a lot of US shows on TV, US music on the radio, and they all wore jeans. Pretty sure the entire continent spoke English as well...but that was just pure coincidence.

Interestingly, I've had MTV on for a little while now and out of the last few songs I remember 3 were Finnish, 2 English, one Swedish and 2 American. Way to dominate. :thumbup:

I will admit to speaking English, fluently even. But you know what, it's a second language for me. Actually, it's third, because the two languages spoken in this country come before that. Isn't it fantastic how nicely the whole European continent accommodates Americans? You don't need to know jack shit about other languages, we can help you and then go on to bitch about you in our native tongues. I'm only joking here, but the fact that you were in Europe and could communicate in English proves nothing. Well, I guess nothing other than the huge influence Great Britain had over here.

DS1119 wrote:

that's why the world is obsessed with us.

indeed!

DS1119

eMMI wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Emmi, does the U.S dominate headlines in Finland? (Actually, I already know the answer to that last one as I've spent a lot of time in Finland. And the answer is 'No').

I know you already answered this, but just to confirm: No.

Currently the Olympics dominate the headlines, which makes perfect sense. Sadly, I just checked the website of one of the biggest newspapers here and one of the headlines is for yet another mass shooting in America. But it's not at the top of the page or the biggest bit of news.

Also, isn't it depressing that the first bit of news I can see from the US is 7 people having been shot dead? :think:

DS1119 wrote:

Yes I have. Through Europe actually. They played a lot of US shows on TV, US music on the radio, and they all wore jeans. Pretty sure the entire continent spoke English as well...but that was just pure coincidence.

Interestingly, I've had MTV on for a little while now and out of the last few songs I remember 3 were Finnish, 2 English, one Swedish and 2 American. Way to dominate. :thumbup:

I will admit to speaking English, fluently even. But you know what, it's a second language for me. Actually, it's third, because the two languages spoken in this country come before that. Isn't it fantastic how nicely the whole European continent accommodates Americans? You don't need to know jack shit about other languages, we can help you and then go on to bitch about you in our native tongues. I'm only joking here, but the fact that you were in Europe and could communicate in English proves nothing. Well, I guess nothing other than the huge influence Great Britain had over here.

DS1119 wrote:

that's why the world is obsessed with us.

indeed!

And MTV came from where? :?

eMMI

DS1119 wrote:

And MTV came from where? :?

America. Well done, you have proved American domination of the world. :clap:

dunkman

DS1119 wrote:

And MTV came from where? :?

and the TV came from where?


but seeing as you are playing up to the stereotype of an American I doubt you'll have any idea where the TV originally comes from... but look it up using another British invention... the internet.... which runs using telephone cables... again invented by Scotland.

but still... you probably will retort with denim again, or some other world beating cultural phenomenon you didn't actually invent but instead bastardised from the Old Countries

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I think the problem is the definition of culture. if you call mass produced sneakers made by children in sweatshops in asia, then yes, I suppose you would be correct.

however, I personally don't call capitalist greed and labour abuse,"culture", but maybe some americans do?

This post is highly confusing to me. :?

you and GF keep referring to american commerce (jeans, running shoes, motorcycles) as being cultural. which I personally think is ludicrous. but even so, look up how much of the american economic structure is built. upon the backs of hard working and under paid, sometimes underages foreigners. yep, that's culture for you. :roll:

all those things are part of American culture man ! chicks in japan pay $500 to a $1000 for a pair of red tag levi's, Harley's going for anywere from $20,000 to $60 to 80,000...just for a bike you can buy here for $5,000 to $10,000...shit after WWII Harley gave blue prints to japan to help jump start their economy and they made a hand full..that's it ! but if you want a American bike in japan you will pay out the ass for it....they pay for American culture,they love western culture and so do many other parts of the world.

Godfather.

eMMI

Godfather. wrote:

all those things are part of American culture man ! chicks in japan pay $500 to a $1000 for a pair of red tag levi's, Harley's going for anywere from $20,000 to $60 to 80,000...just for a bike you can buy here for $5,000 to $10,000...shit after WWII Harley gave blue prints to japan to help jump start their economy and they made a hand full..that's it ! but if you want a American bike in japan you will pay out the ass for it....they pay for American culture,they love western culture and so do many other parts of the world.

Godfather.

Are you saying that American culture = western culture? Because that's not true, as I'm sure you know. Maybe so many other countries love Western culture because they're a part of the Western world.

Anyway, just the fact that people in other countries like American stuff that doesn't mean A) that the whole world is obsessed with the US or that American culture dominates the world.

Godfather.

eMMI wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

all those things are part of American culture man ! chicks in japan pay $500 to a $1000 for a pair of red tag levi's, Harley's going for anywere from $20,000 to $60 to 80,000...just for a bike you can buy here for $5,000 to $10,000...shit after WWII Harley gave blue prints to japan to help jump start their economy and they made a hand full..that's it ! but if you want a American bike in japan you will pay out the ass for it....they pay for American culture,they love western culture and so do many other parts of the world.

Godfather.

Are you saying that American culture = western culture? Because that's not true, as I'm sure you know. Maybe so many other countries love Western culture because they're a part of the Western world.

Anyway, just the fact that people in other countries like American stuff that doesn't mean A) that the whole world is obsessed with the US or that American culture dominates the world.

I never said dominates the rest of the world,I've just been trying to point out that American culture is very popular in other parts of the world but I think some people like to argue just for the sake of argument

mickeyrat

Godfather. wrote:

eMMI wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

all those things are part of American culture man ! chicks in japan pay $500 to a $1000 for a pair of red tag levi's, Harley's going for anywere from $20,000 to $60 to 80,000...just for a bike you can buy here for $5,000 to $10,000...shit after WWII Harley gave blue prints to japan to help jump start their economy and they made a hand full..that's it ! but if you want a American bike in japan you will pay out the ass for it....they pay for American culture,they love western culture and so do many other parts of the world.

Godfather.

Are you saying that American culture = western culture? Because that's not true, as I'm sure you know. Maybe so many other countries love Western culture because they're a part of the Western world.

Anyway, just the fact that people in other countries like American stuff that doesn't mean A) that the whole world is obsessed with the US or that American culture dominates the world.

I never said dominates the rest of the world,I've just been trying to point out that American culture is very popular in other parts of the world but I think some people like to argue just for the sake of argument

no way man. :nono:

Godfather.

that was GOOD !!!!!!

Godfather.