12 killed, 50 injured in Colorado theater

The Fixer

rival. wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

Babies sleep. I'm more surprised about 6 year olds.

sure babies sleep, but i wouldn't consider the batman movies the most quiet and peaceful two and a half hours to get some shut eye. the baby is going to be awake, cranky and disturb everyone around them. it's irresponsible and selfish. get a baby sitter or go catch the half price matinee the next day.

in the past two months i was a one midnight showing loaded with kids and one 11:00 showing, loaded with kids. the 11:00 showing was for ted. what parent brings their kids to see that movie?? i wouldn't bring a 14 year old to that let alone a four year old.

the drive in analogy doesn't hold up. you are in a car, isolated from other people around you who are trying to enjoy the movie. if the kid acts up, very little chance you are going to disturb the person in the car next to you.

exactly. there is bad parenting and there is utter stupidity. the fact that there were babies and kids as young as 6 years old at the midnight showing of a movie displays both of these traits.

Dr. Delight

There was a 4 month old baby at the movie. Don't tell me that these kid parents dont need to get their shit together. 4 months old!
A movie that runs from midnight to 3 fucking am in the morning people!!
Don't tell individuals that they are not allowed to question parental decisions in a case like this. Even if nothing happened, I would be disgusted if I saw that in the theater.

comebackgirl

One of my first reactions when I heard a 4 month old baby had been shot was "what was a 4 month old doing at a midnight movie?" Then I realized that question really has no place in the conversation about the tragedy. The baby wasn't shot because of questionable parenting. The baby was shot because James Holmes apparently planned to do this for at least a couple of months. That's solely where the responsibility lies. These parents are no more responsible than the parents who dropped their kids at day care the day Timothy McVeigh decided to blow up a building. Questionable judgment? For sure. Responsible for their kid getting shot? No fucking way.

Cliffy6745

But who gives a fuck why they were there? Why is it anyone's business to pass judgement of parents who are going through an absolute senseless tragedy. The young couple that was on Piers Morgan last night had many pictures of their young daughter dressed up like Batman. They were fucking wrecked and they all came out alive. Personally, if I had kids that age, I wouldn't allow them to see Batman nor would I take them to a movie at midnight, but without knowing the circumstances around their situation, it's no ones fucking business.

It's a fucking joke that the last 3 pages of this thread have been dominated by parenting conversation. It goes to show the fucking problems and priorities in this country. A severely mentally ill person was able to buy 4 guns (including an assault rifle that has exactly one purpose), full body armor, 6,000 fucking rounds of ammunition, was able to create synthetic napalm among many other explosive devices and people are worried about the fucking parents who had a kid there who's lives will never be the fucking same.

It's infuriating.

josevolution

comebackgirl wrote:

One of my first reactions when I heard a 4 month old baby had been shot was "what was a 4 month old doing at a midnight movie?" Then I realized that question really has no place in the conversation about the tragedy. The baby wasn't shot because of questionable parenting. The baby was shot because James Holmes apparently planned to do this for at least a couple of months. That's solely where the responsibility lies. These parents are no more responsible than the parents who dropped their kids at day care the day Timothy McVeigh decided to blow up a building. Questionable judgment? For sure. Responsible for their kid getting shot? No fucking way.

Totally agree ...

Cliffy6745

comebackgirl wrote:

One of my first reactions when I heard a 4 month old baby had been shot was "what was a 4 month old doing at a midnight movie?" Then I realized that question really has no place in the conversation about the tragedy. The baby wasn't shot because of questionable parenting. The baby was shot because James Holmes apparently planned to do this for at least a couple of months. That's solely where the responsibility lies. These parents are no more responsible than the parents who dropped their kids at day care the day Timothy McVeigh decided to blow up a building. Questionable judgment? For sure. Responsible for their kid getting shot? No fucking way.

Exactly

Cliffy6745

Cliffy6745 wrote:

But who gives a fuck why they were there? Why is it anyone's business to pass judgement of parents who are going through an absolute senseless tragedy. The young couple that was on Piers Morgan last night had many pictures of their young daughter dressed up like Batman. They were fucking wrecked and they all came out alive. Personally, if I had kids that age, I wouldn't allow them to see Batman nor would I take them to a movie at midnight, but without knowing the circumstances around their situation, it's no ones fucking business.

It's a fucking joke that the last 3 pages of this thread have been dominated by parenting conversation. It goes to show the fucking problems and priorities in this country. A severely mentally ill person was able to buy 4 guns (including an assault rifle that has exactly one purpose), full body armor, 6,000 fucking rounds of ammunition, was able to create synthetic napalm among many other explosive devices and people are worried about the fucking parents who had a kid there who's lives will never be the fucking same.

It's infuriating.

And just to add, until we start concentrating on the real issues here, the issues above, these god damn massacres are going to continue.

Dr. Delight

I'm pretty sure that no one is saying that the baby deserved to be shot because it was brought to a late night movie.

comebackgirl

Cliffy6745 wrote:

But who gives a fuck why they were there? Why is it anyone's business to pass judgement of parents who are going through an absolute senseless tragedy. The young couple that was on Piers Morgan last night had many pictures of their young daughter dressed up like Batman. They were fucking wrecked and they all came out alive. Personally, if I had kids that age, I wouldn't allow them to see Batman nor would I take them to a movie at midnight, but without knowing the circumstances around their situation, it's no ones fucking business.

It's a fucking joke that the last 3 pages of this thread have been dominated by parenting conversation. It goes to show the fucking problems and priorities in this country. A severely mentally ill person was able to buy 4 guns (including an assault rifle that has exactly one purpose), full body armor, 6,000 fucking rounds of ammunition, was able to create synthetic napalm among many other explosive devices and people are worried about the fucking parents who had a kid there who's lives will never be the fucking same.

It's infuriating.

That interview was heartbreaking. Their trauma was obvious. I am sure they will second guess themselves for a long long time.

I agree. I'm infuriated that so much focus is being put on their parenting rather than on the fact that somebody killed 12 people and shot dozens more. Again, I understand wanting to distance ourselves from the victims as much as possible to believe that this would never happen to us, but it's a false sense of security. Let's keep the focus where it belongs.

josevolution

At the very least Assault rifles should be outlawed i mean that's the minimum that we as a civil society should expect to that's a no brainer ......

Cliffy6745

Dr. Delight wrote:

I'm pretty sure that no one is saying that the baby deserved to be shot because it was brought to a late night movie.

And I am pretty sure you are completely missing the point.

comebackgirl

Dr. Delight wrote:

I'm pretty sure that no one is saying that the baby deserved to be shot because it was brought to a late night movie.

so then let's keep the focus off the fact that the baby was there. that conversation can be had in a different thread about parenting or movie admissions, etc. I could be wrong, but I thought the focus in this thread was on the actual tragedy.

Dr. Delight

josevolution wrote:

At the very least Assault rifles should be outlawed i mean that's the minimum that we as a civil society should expect to that's a no brainer ......

Agreed. As well as all of this tactical body armor.

I dont get why someone would need a whole outfit of this stuff. Are the Russians finally going to invade us?

Dr. Delight

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Dr. Delight wrote:

I'm pretty sure that no one is saying that the baby deserved to be shot because it was brought to a late night movie.

And I am pretty sure you are completely missing the point.

You would be dead wrong.

Cliffy6745

comebackgirl wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

But who gives a fuck why they were there? Why is it anyone's business to pass judgement of parents who are going through an absolute senseless tragedy. The young couple that was on Piers Morgan last night had many pictures of their young daughter dressed up like Batman. They were fucking wrecked and they all came out alive. Personally, if I had kids that age, I wouldn't allow them to see Batman nor would I take them to a movie at midnight, but without knowing the circumstances around their situation, it's no ones fucking business.

It's a fucking joke that the last 3 pages of this thread have been dominated by parenting conversation. It goes to show the fucking problems and priorities in this country. A severely mentally ill person was able to buy 4 guns (including an assault rifle that has exactly one purpose), full body armor, 6,000 fucking rounds of ammunition, was able to create synthetic napalm among many other explosive devices and people are worried about the fucking parents who had a kid there who's lives will never be the fucking same.

It's infuriating.

That interview was heartbreaking. Their trauma was obvious. I am sure they will second guess themselves for a long long time.

I agree. I'm infuriated that so much focus is being put on their parenting rather than on the fact that somebody killed 12 people and shot dozens more. Again, I understand wanting to distance ourselves from the victims as much as possible to believe that this would never happen to us, but it's a false sense of security. Let's keep the focus where it belongs.

I had a really tough time with that interview. That guy was an absolute mess.

Agreed completely.

comebackgirl

Cliffy6745 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

But who gives a fuck why they were there? Why is it anyone's business to pass judgement of parents who are going through an absolute senseless tragedy. The young couple that was on Piers Morgan last night had many pictures of their young daughter dressed up like Batman. They were fucking wrecked and they all came out alive. Personally, if I had kids that age, I wouldn't allow them to see Batman nor would I take them to a movie at midnight, but without knowing the circumstances around their situation, it's no ones fucking business.

It's a fucking joke that the last 3 pages of this thread have been dominated by parenting conversation. It goes to show the fucking problems and priorities in this country. A severely mentally ill person was able to buy 4 guns (including an assault rifle that has exactly one purpose), full body armor, 6,000 fucking rounds of ammunition, was able to create synthetic napalm among many other explosive devices and people are worried about the fucking parents who had a kid there who's lives will never be the fucking same.

It's infuriating.

That interview was heartbreaking. Their trauma was obvious. I am sure they will second guess themselves for a long long time.

I agree. I'm infuriated that so much focus is being put on their parenting rather than on the fact that somebody killed 12 people and shot dozens more. Again, I understand wanting to distance ourselves from the victims as much as possible to believe that this would never happen to us, but it's a false sense of security. Let's keep the focus where it belongs.

I had a really tough time with that interview. That guy was an absolute mess.

Agreed completely.

His terror was palpable. In the moment he really thought his kids would die or they would be orphaned. He didn't think any of them would get out of there alive, but fortunately they all did. Those parents are victims too and I think victim blaming really has no place here. I wish them lots of healing. They will likely be impacted by this for a long time.

norm

i made the mistake of turning on the news this morning...a reporter told the story of a 14 year old boy who ran from the theater when the shooting started...he then realized his parents were still inside...so he went back in to find his dad dragging his shot mother...so the boy went and found another victim and pulled her out


no 14 year old should have to experience this


ever

Cliffy6745

comebackgirl wrote:

His terror was palpable. In the moment he really thought his kids would die or they would be orphaned. He didn't think any of them would get out of there alive, but fortunately they all did. Those parents are victims too and I think victim blaming really has no place here. I wish them lots of healing. They will likely be impacted by this for a long time.

He was absolutely horrified, and it was absolutely brutal to listen to him recount the events, especially when he was talking about them getting separated and like you said, worried that his son wouldn't have a dad or that his son would die. I do too. I can't see them ever taking the kids to a move ever again. I wouldn't be able to ever sit in a theater again.

josevolution

norm wrote:

i made the mistake of turning on the news this morning...a reporter told the story of a 14 year old boy who ran from the theater when the shooting started...he then realized his parents were still inside...so he went back in to find his dad dragging his shot mother...so the boy went and found another victim and pulled her out


no 14 year old should have to experience this


ever

Yeah i haven't watched any today at all and i think of my 15yr old girl and i can't imagine anything like this happening to her at all or having to do that at a movie theater , what the fuck is wrong with our country ..

chadwick

norm wrote:

i made the mistake of turning on the news this morning...a reporter told the story of a 14 year old boy who ran from the theater when the shooting started...he then realized his parents were still inside...so he went back in to find his dad dragging his shot mother...so the boy went and found another victim and pulled her out


no 14 year old should have to experience this


ever

wow. is the mom alive? that boy is very brave