People have been killing each other with guns long before our country was founded...
1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.
YES!! Firearms invented to KILL!!!!! Finally admitting it... and properly sourced too!
yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.
What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.
Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?
Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.[/quote]
'the right to bear arms' - gun nuts get crazy with this and they think because of this guns are fair .. the founding fathers wrote this they didn't intend this amendment to be twisted like this to the point where people are killing eachother.[/quote]
People have been killing each other with guns long before our country was founded...
1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.
Whether they intended or not the basic thought behind it is to protect people,
and allow them to protect themselves.
Murder/ killing is illegal, protecting oneself is not ...
don't confuse the two. One is legal one is not.[/quote]
absolutely.. people were killing people all over the world in many wars and invasions, but gun murders aren't an issue in other countries apart from America. The 'right to bear arms' seems to be a holding pattern on progress in America and I believe the reason why there are so many more deaths here then any other country.
I haven't got the right to bear arms in Australia before or after that ONE massacre that occured.. it sounds stupid.
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Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.
Seems like very similar laws are in place.
First of all CBG.. you're 38 and you're still being ID'd to buy alcohol... kudos to you!
Second... as mentioned in a previous post, one can buy a firearm (excluding handguns) from an unlicensed vendor (eg the internet) at whatever age WITHOUT parent's permission. Doesn't even have to be a kid with 'intention'. Could just be a kid wanting to brag a bit to his friends ('hey guys.. look what I've got) and boom! Accident.
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That's exactly it - there is a big loophole with unlicensed dealers like gun shows. That gap has got to be closed. It also is a concern that laws for purchasing alcohol and guns would be anywhere close to similar.
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Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!
the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P
Norm , norm...havent you learned anything here in 100+ pages...nobody uses a gun legally. :shifty:
yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.
What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.
Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?
Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.
I'll agree with Zoso -- Compared to the rest of the world, it is my opinion that the USA is obsessed with guns. I know this is a generalization, but that just what I see...88 out of a 100 people own one? I'd say that's an obsession, and an unhealthy one at that.
This thinking is very biased, they do not own them out of obsession but out of need,
not everyone can move to a better neighborhood.
Even in a better neighborhood like mine crime comes to me. Consider the fact that it takes
police over 10 minutes to arrive with a house alarm call or
a call that is made by the victim themselves. through 911 .
Alot happens in 10 minutes.
It is prudent to be prepared and seeing that most all criminals now carry a gun
it is the most logical choice.
Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!
the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P
Norm , norm...havent you learned anything here in 100+ pages...nobody uses a gun legally. :shifty:
:( so i'm locked and loaded and have no where to legally fire it? bummer...i guess i'll just go unload my gun by myself
does anyone have a copy of guns and ammo magazine? i read it for the articles :think:
I said they are not owned for the purpose to kill ...
well unless you are a criminal ... good lord :fp:
they are owned to protect oneself...so basic.
Yeah... they were invented by someone who had no intention to use them as killing machines :roll:
The reason why those who do not have this intention needs them...
are you diggin a hole here
Not digging anything pandora. Why have a gun if it the intention is not to use it? Use it for it's ultimate purpose - killing? Whatever the initial reason for this was. If there is no intent to use it for it's 'proper' function, there is no reason to have it. Guns were invented to kill. That is their purpose.
I'll agree with Zoso -- Compared to the rest of the world, it is my opinion that the USA is obsessed with guns. I know this is a generalization, but that just what I see...88 out of a 100 people own one? I'd say that's an obsession, and an unhealthy one at that.
This thinking is very biased, they do not own them out of obsession but out of need,
not everyone can move to a better neighborhood.
Even in a better neighborhood like mine crime comes to me. Consider the fact that it takes
police over 10 minutes to arrive with a house alarm call or
a call that is made by the victim themselves. through 911 .
Alot happens in 10 minutes.
It is prudent to be prepared and seeing that most all criminals now carry a gun
it is the most logical choice.
Out of need? :fp: talk about biased.
You do realize how astronomically high our gun ownership is compared to the rest of the world, right?
Of the dozens of people I personally know (yes, thats biased too), only one needs his weapon, because it is required of him by his profession (cop).
And now most/all criminals carry a gun? biased?
And if gun advocates keep saying that there are millions of gun owners that will never need to use it, where exactly is that need?
Thanks fot throwing that in too - -"not everyone can move to a better neighbordood"...I agonized through that neighborhood for nealry 7 years, and I never needed a gun.
absolutely.. people were killing people all over the world in many wars and invasions, but gun murders aren't an issue in other countries apart from America. The 'right to bear arms' seems to be a holding pattern on progress in America and I believe the reason why there are so many more deaths here then any other country.
I haven't got the right to bear arms in Australia before or after that ONE massacre that occured.. it sounds stupid.
I know and I feel for the countries which have punished all citizens
because of the actions of some.
I would not want to live in a country that does that. .. dictates my right to protect my own life and that of my loved ones or my property.
Actually Australia is currently having a bit of a problem with the youth I believe.
Maybe they do not like the idea of such powerlessness.
I was hoping to research more on the subject but have not gotten to it.
It is definitely a different mindset and our problems here can dwarf other countries.
The entire way our country was founded and when compared to yours and others and why ...
so many different variables.
Three people were shot and killed and another injured by a dissatisfied patron of a strip club in Alabama late Thursday, police say.
Houston County Sheriff Andy Hughes told NBC News the shooting happened at Teasers, a topless nightclub outside of Dothan, Ala.
Police arrested the alleged shooter, Ryan Clark Petersen, 22, at 7:30 a.m. CT and charged him with three counts of capital murder and one count of attempted murder.
Authorities received a call about a shooting around 11:30 p.m. Thursday. When deputies arrived on scene, they found four people who had been shot.
Hughes said that a dispute erupted in the club after Petersen complained about a dancer's performance and began touching her. A club employee asked Petersen to leave and escorted him outside. Petersen then allegedly went to his car and retrieved a handgun and reentered the night club and opened fire.
The victims of the shooting included one of the club’s female dancers, a male employee and a male patron.
Hughes said police are not releasing the names of the victims until their families have been notified.
The nightclub, in the Wicksburg community just west of Dothan, is about 100 miles southeast of Montgomery.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I'll agree with Zoso -- Compared to the rest of the world, it is my opinion that the USA is obsessed with guns. I know this is a generalization, but that just what I see...88 out of a 100 people own one? I'd say that's an obsession, and an unhealthy one at that.
This thinking is very biased, they do not own them out of obsession but out of need,
not everyone can move to a better neighborhood.
Even in a better neighborhood like mine crime comes to me. Consider the fact that it takes
police over 10 minutes to arrive with a house alarm call or
a call that is made by the victim themselves. through 911 .
Alot happens in 10 minutes.
It is prudent to be prepared and seeing that most all criminals now carry a gun
it is the most logical choice.
Out of need? :fp: talk about biased.
You do realize how astronomically high our gun ownership is compared to the rest of the world, right?
Of the dozens of people I personally know (yes, thats biased too), only one needs his weapon, because it is required of him by his profession (cop).
And now most/all criminals carry a gun? biased?
And if gun advocates keep saying that there are millions of gun owners that will never need to use it, where exactly is that need?
Thanks fot throwing that in too - -"not everyone can move to a better neighbordood"...I agonized through that neighborhood for nealry 7 years, and I never needed a gun.
Well I am glad you could move Jonny but not all can, you know this,
and that is an important point.
Millions is that how many millions? there are millions upon millions upon millions who own guns.
It is like you said in most households. So obviously there is a need whether you think so or not. The person making the choice does. They feel the need because yes most who home invade,
carjack, rape, murder have guns, even petty robbery now.
I just don't see how that does not tell you something. People must have the right to choose.
Three people were shot and killed and another injured by a dissatisfied patron of a strip club in Alabama late Thursday, police say.
Houston County Sheriff Andy Hughes told NBC News the shooting happened at Teasers, a topless nightclub outside of Dothan, Ala.
Police arrested the alleged shooter, Ryan Clark Petersen, 22, at 7:30 a.m. CT and charged him with three counts of capital murder and one count of attempted murder.
Authorities received a call about a shooting around 11:30 p.m. Thursday. When deputies arrived on scene, they found four people who had been shot.
Hughes said that a dispute erupted in the club after Petersen complained about a dancer's performance and began touching her. A club employee asked Petersen to leave and escorted him outside. Petersen then allegedly went to his car and retrieved a handgun and reentered the night club and opened fire.
The victims of the shooting included one of the club’s female dancers, a male employee and a male patron.
Hughes said police are not releasing the names of the victims until their families have been notified.
The nightclub, in the Wicksburg community just west of Dothan, is about 100 miles southeast of Montgomery.
Responsible gun owner at 11:00. Murderer at 11:30.
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Three people were shot and killed and another injured by a dissatisfied patron of a strip club in Alabama late Thursday, police say.
Houston County Sheriff Andy Hughes told NBC News the shooting happened at Teasers, a topless nightclub outside of Dothan, Ala.
Police arrested the alleged shooter, Ryan Clark Petersen, 22, at 7:30 a.m. CT and charged him with three counts of capital murder and one count of attempted murder.
Authorities received a call about a shooting around 11:30 p.m. Thursday. When deputies arrived on scene, they found four people who had been shot.
Hughes said that a dispute erupted in the club after Petersen complained about a dancer's performance and began touching her. A club employee asked Petersen to leave and escorted him outside. Petersen then allegedly went to his car and retrieved a handgun and reentered the night club and opened fire.
The victims of the shooting included one of the club’s female dancers, a male employee and a male patron.
Hughes said police are not releasing the names of the victims until their families have been notified.
The nightclub, in the Wicksburg community just west of Dothan, is about 100 miles southeast of Montgomery.
Responsible gun owner at 11:00. Murderer at 11:30.
exactly!
see how easy it is to go from responsible to murderer?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I'm sure this responsible gun owner (most probably gun purchased legally...) was only only using his gun in self defense and that the people that got shot deserved it. After all, he felt ripped off....
I'm sure this responsible gun owner (most probably gun purchased legally...) was only only using his gun in self defense and that the people that got shot deserved it. After all, he felt ripped off....
i am sorry. you can not start an altercation, shoot someone, and then claim self defense.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Three people were shot and killed and another injured by a dissatisfied patron of a strip club in Alabama late Thursday, police say.
Houston County Sheriff Andy Hughes told NBC News the shooting happened at Teasers, a topless nightclub outside of Dothan, Ala.
Police arrested the alleged shooter, Ryan Clark Petersen, 22, at 7:30 a.m. CT and charged him with three counts of capital murder and one count of attempted murder.
Authorities received a call about a shooting around 11:30 p.m. Thursday. When deputies arrived on scene, they found four people who had been shot.
Hughes said that a dispute erupted in the club after Petersen complained about a dancer's performance and began touching her. A club employee asked Petersen to leave and escorted him outside. Petersen then allegedly went to his car and retrieved a handgun and reentered the night club and opened fire.
The victims of the shooting included one of the club’s female dancers, a male employee and a male patron.
Hughes said police are not releasing the names of the victims until their families have been notified.
The nightclub, in the Wicksburg community just west of Dothan, is about 100 miles southeast of Montgomery.
Do you think this guy is your average law abiding person that owns a gun?
Do you think he owns his gun responsibly as millions and millions do?
Was his gun legal at all?
I would say too bad there was not a responsible person there carrying to stop this guy... because once again the police are there to clean up a crime scene, after the fact.
This thinking is very biased, they do not own them out of obsession but out of need,
not everyone can move to a better neighborhood.
Even in a better neighborhood like mine crime comes to me. Consider the fact that it takes
police over 10 minutes to arrive with a house alarm call or
a call that is made by the victim themselves. through 911 .
Alot happens in 10 minutes.
It is prudent to be prepared and seeing that most all criminals now carry a gun
it is the most logical choice.
Out of need? :fp: talk about biased.
You do realize how astronomically high our gun ownership is compared to the rest of the world, right?
Of the dozens of people I personally know (yes, thats biased too), only one needs his weapon, because it is required of him by his profession (cop).
And now most/all criminals carry a gun? biased?
And if gun advocates keep saying that there are millions of gun owners that will never need to use it, where exactly is that need?
Thanks fot throwing that in too - -"not everyone can move to a better neighbordood"...I agonized through that neighborhood for nealry 7 years, and I never needed a gun.
Well I am glad you could move Jonny but not all can, you know this,
and that is an important point.
Millions is that how many millions? there are millions upon millions upon millions who own guns.
It is like you said in most households. So obviously there is a need whether you think so or not. The person making the choice does. They feel the need because yes most who home invade,
carjack, rape, murder have guns, even petty robbery now.
I just don't see how that does not tell you something. People must have the right to choose.
You've completely missed the point about moving. Of course I finally moved, but in the 7 years I was there, I was unable to move. But in that 7 years where I was unable, my desire to get a gun NEVER became a NEED.
Personally, I think your bias is showing. You think people NEED guns now. That is righ tup there along twith the culture that got us into this problem of having too many guns. I will admit my bias, all the people I know dont need guns. Most have even told me this. They get them because they can, its a culture -- its easy, and makes some of them feel empowered. I've never known one person to use their weapon out of need. But I have known several who have lost their ability to own a gun because they either didnt need it or couldnt be responsible enough.
Just becasue there are a lot of something, doesnt prove need. it proves there is a mrket because of our culture. Does anyone need cigarettes? nope.
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YES!! Firearms invented to KILL!!!!! Finally admitting it... and properly sourced too!
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.
Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?
Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.[/quote]
'the right to bear arms' - gun nuts get crazy with this and they think because of this guns are fair .. the founding fathers wrote this they didn't intend this amendment to be twisted like this to the point where people are killing eachother.[/quote]
People have been killing each other with guns long before our country was founded...
1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.
Whether they intended or not the basic thought behind it is to protect people,
and allow them to protect themselves.
Murder/ killing is illegal, protecting oneself is not ...
don't confuse the two. One is legal one is not.[/quote]
absolutely.. people were killing people all over the world in many wars and invasions, but gun murders aren't an issue in other countries apart from America. The 'right to bear arms' seems to be a holding pattern on progress in America and I believe the reason why there are so many more deaths here then any other country.
I haven't got the right to bear arms in Australia before or after that ONE massacre that occured.. it sounds stupid.
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That's exactly it - there is a big loophole with unlicensed dealers like gun shows. That gap has got to be closed. It also is a concern that laws for purchasing alcohol and guns would be anywhere close to similar.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Norm , norm...havent you learned anything here in 100+ pages...nobody uses a gun legally. :shifty:
This thread just got more interesting. :shifty:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
not everyone can move to a better neighborhood.
Even in a better neighborhood like mine crime comes to me. Consider the fact that it takes
police over 10 minutes to arrive with a house alarm call or
a call that is made by the victim themselves. through 911 .
Alot happens in 10 minutes.
It is prudent to be prepared and seeing that most all criminals now carry a gun
it is the most logical choice.
:( so i'm locked and loaded and have no where to legally fire it? bummer...i guess i'll just go unload my gun by myself
does anyone have a copy of guns and ammo magazine? i read it for the articles :think:
I'm sure you will find what you need on the internet - no questions asked!
I said they are not owned for the purpose to kill ...
well unless you are a criminal ... good lord :fp:
they are owned to protect oneself...so basic.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Yeah... they were invented by someone who had no intention to use them as killing machines :roll:
poor guys without the long gun making them feel bad huh?
are you diggin a hole here
Wait a minute... are you even of legal age for this? Show us some ID! Then again... you should be OK - who cares about checks!
Not digging anything pandora. Why have a gun if it the intention is not to use it? Use it for it's ultimate purpose - killing? Whatever the initial reason for this was. If there is no intent to use it for it's 'proper' function, there is no reason to have it. Guns were invented to kill. That is their purpose.
Who cares? Guns for all! A girl can't be too prepared :shifty:
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Out of need?
You do realize how astronomically high our gun ownership is compared to the rest of the world, right?
Of the dozens of people I personally know (yes, thats biased too), only one needs his weapon, because it is required of him by his profession (cop).
And now most/all criminals carry a gun? biased?
And if gun advocates keep saying that there are millions of gun owners that will never need to use it, where exactly is that need?
Thanks fot throwing that in too - -"not everyone can move to a better neighbordood"...I agonized through that neighborhood for nealry 7 years, and I never needed a gun.
I know and I feel for the countries which have punished all citizens
because of the actions of some.
I would not want to live in a country that does that. ..
dictates my right to protect my own life and that of my loved ones or my property.
Actually Australia is currently having a bit of a problem with the youth I believe.
Maybe they do not like the idea of such powerlessness.
I was hoping to research more on the subject but have not gotten to it.
It is definitely a different mindset and our problems here can dwarf other countries.
The entire way our country was founded and when compared to yours and others and why ...
so many different variables.
:fp:
guns are a great idea!
i guess the gun did not kill these three innocent people..
:roll:
Cops: Unhappy patron kills three at Alabama strip club
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08 ... -club?lite
Three people were shot and killed and another injured by a dissatisfied patron of a strip club in Alabama late Thursday, police say.
Houston County Sheriff Andy Hughes told NBC News the shooting happened at Teasers, a topless nightclub outside of Dothan, Ala.
Police arrested the alleged shooter, Ryan Clark Petersen, 22, at 7:30 a.m. CT and charged him with three counts of capital murder and one count of attempted murder.
Authorities received a call about a shooting around 11:30 p.m. Thursday. When deputies arrived on scene, they found four people who had been shot.
Hughes said that a dispute erupted in the club after Petersen complained about a dancer's performance and began touching her. A club employee asked Petersen to leave and escorted him outside. Petersen then allegedly went to his car and retrieved a handgun and reentered the night club and opened fire.
The victims of the shooting included one of the club’s female dancers, a male employee and a male patron.
Hughes said police are not releasing the names of the victims until their families have been notified.
The nightclub, in the Wicksburg community just west of Dothan, is about 100 miles southeast of Montgomery.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I dont read guns and ammo...too much photoshopping. I like locked and loaded, its more gunpowder and less shiny barrels.
and that is an important point.
Millions is that how many millions? there are millions upon millions upon millions who own guns.
It is like you said in most households. So obviously there is a need whether you think so or not.
The person making the choice does. They feel the need because yes most who home invade,
carjack, rape, murder have guns, even petty robbery now.
I just don't see how that does not tell you something. People must have the right to choose.
Responsible gun owner at 11:00. Murderer at 11:30.
see how easy it is to go from responsible to murderer?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm sure this responsible gun owner (most probably gun purchased legally...) was only only using his gun in self defense and that the people that got shot deserved it. After all, he felt ripped off....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Do you think he owns his gun responsibly as millions and millions do?
Was his gun legal at all?
I would say too bad there was not a responsible person there carrying to stop this guy...
because once again the police are there to clean up a crime scene, after the fact.
then it is self defense and it is the shooter's right to do so...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You've completely missed the point about moving. Of course I finally moved, but in the 7 years I was there, I was unable to move. But in that 7 years where I was unable, my desire to get a gun NEVER became a NEED.
Personally, I think your bias is showing. You think people NEED guns now. That is righ tup there along twith the culture that got us into this problem of having too many guns. I will admit my bias, all the people I know dont need guns. Most have even told me this. They get them because they can, its a culture -- its easy, and makes some of them feel empowered. I've never known one person to use their weapon out of need. But I have known several who have lost their ability to own a gun because they either didnt need it or couldnt be responsible enough.
Just becasue there are a lot of something, doesnt prove need. it proves there is a mrket because of our culture. Does anyone need cigarettes? nope.