alcohol doesn't cause DUIs. People drinking alcohol irresponsibly cause DUIs. And no...I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism
We don't want teens drinking, and so there are restrictions. There is a clear law in every state against underage drinking of any kind of alcohol. Parents should monitor that too, but we don't put all of the responsibility for them for that. Liquor stores help enforce the restrictions. I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.
Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.
alcohol doesn't cause DUIs. People drinking alcohol irresponsibly cause DUIs. And no...I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism
We don't want teens drinking, and so there are restrictions. There is a clear law in every state against underage drinking of any kind of alcohol. Parents should monitor that too, but we don't put all of the responsibility for them for that. Liquor stores help enforce the restrictions. I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.
Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.
Seems like very similar laws are in place.
right but, the only person you're slowly killing when smoking is yourself, you can't kill a bunch of people in a matter of min's by smoking.. also their are no smoking commercials that have been endorsed by the government and smoking advertisement has been heavily regulated in the past 20 years.
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no, but their parents are addicted to buying rifles.
Do you think this a rational conclusion, that the parents are addicted?
Is this a generalization of all rifle owners or just some?
Do you call a rifle in the house an addiction?
How many rifles make an addiction to you?
Does it make a difference that they are used for sport?
yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.
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And no...I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism .
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It's much easier to have a discussion when one knows where one stands and when one is upfront (and not pussy foot about) when it come to things that have an impact on said discussioni. Being a gun 'owner' would naturally give some biais to a discussion the same as one says not being a gun owner makes one a victim, waiting for something to happen or enabling others to be victims.
Say what?
Totally disagree with your statement for the gun owner does it effect the gun opponents
though is the question? make them biased?
I personally have no bias towards gun owners or non gun owners.
I believe in a person's basic right to protect life and property.
And I respect those who choose to not do so with a gun
and those who do as long as it is legally and responsibly.
I do not believe in taking the right to choose away from people.
Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.
Seems like very similar laws are in place.
First of all CBG.. you're 38 and you're still being ID'd to buy alcohol... kudos to you!
Second... as mentioned in a previous post, one can buy a firearm (excluding handguns) from an unlicensed vendor (eg the internet) at whatever age WITHOUT parent's permission. Doesn't even have to be a kid with 'intention'. Could just be a kid wanting to brag a bit to his friends ('hey guys.. look what I've got) and boom! Accident.
There are stricter regulations in place to make sure someone under 18 doesn't buy nicotine. I went to buy a bottle of wine the other day and I had to show 2 forms of ID. These loopholes are dangerous.
Yes of course as it should be. Cigarettes a real danger to the young, not imagined.
The same for alcohol leading to DUI's and teen pregnancy and drug use...
something responsible gun possession does not do.
Some are assuming underage kids are buying weapons without their parents knowing...
how? Unless, of course they are doing so on the street. Which we all know criminals are doing,
whatever age. But we can not punish the law abiding thoughtful for the thoughtless
with criminal intentions.
Parents would be very negligent to not monitor their credit cards or bank accounts
their children use.
So again enforce the laws we have, punish adults who are providing
and allowing gun possession
through irresponsible parenting and irresponsible selling.
There are vastly more responsible young hunters and target shooters
owning a rifle with their parents knowledge who are safety trained
then any escaping through the cracks.
the rest of your post (shown above) had nothing to do with the statement about cigarettes. it is very much in context. I was not misrepresenting anything. you are just backtracking on what you said now.
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I don't think we should rank what is more dangerous or what is more regulated. Obviously a great law is the regulation of alcohol purchasing.. So when why can you buy a gun online with minimal fuss? It doesn't make sense at all.
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yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.
What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.
Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?
Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.
looking back at the last few pages, I've realized that I can no longer sensibly debate with someone who seems to care more about the welfare of dogs than for children who could become victims of a firearm accident.
unbelievable.
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yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.
What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.
Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?
Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.
'the right to bear arms' - gun nuts get crazy with this and they think because of this guns are fair .. the founding fathers wrote this they didn't intend this amendment to be twisted like this to the point where people are killing eachother.
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I just did a quick google in order to purchase firearms online. Wow... just wow. Sure, it would seem that of them you have to 'register' in order to purchase, but this is no different to many other sites that sell anything from cake making items to small electrical appliances. I tried a site, registering with an address at which I used to live many years ago. Then I chose my gun and ammo then went to check out. I even had the choice to put in a different billing and delivery address. Oh, and I had to tick a little thing saying I understood the 'Terms and Conditions' (again like one does for a number of sites. I did stop when I got to the point of entering credit card details.
Not saying that all sites are like that, but wow... This one was on the 5th page of my google search.
yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.
What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.
Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?
Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.
I'll agree with Zoso -- Compared to the rest of the world, it is my opinion that the USA is obsessed with guns. I know this is a generalization, but that just what I see...88 out of a 100 people own one? I'd say that's an obsession, and an unhealthy one at that.
I think cigs are a much bigger problem because of sheer numbers of course.
ok, so you just stated again what I thought. You think cigarettes are a bigger problem than guns.
to my knowledge, when I was a smoker,I never killed anyone with one.
Why are you assuming a teen who purchased a rifle for sport with his parents permission legally
is going to kill someone? Either as a teen or 50 years later? Odds certainly don't show us that
but...
not knowing your age, if you started smoking as a teen and you were still a smoker now
you would be experiencing signs of a shortened life span by now...
another 15-20 years you could and very well would be, dying.
This is the common sense that tells me that cigs are more dangerous than guns.
now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action! :wave:
Looks like i'll need to file for concealed carry after all. :P
i'm just trying to not go off half-cocked :problem:
Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!
yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.
What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.
Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?
Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.
'the right to bear arms' - gun nuts get crazy with this and they think because of this guns are fair .. the founding fathers wrote this they didn't intend this amendment to be twisted like this to the point where people are killing eachother.
People have been killing each other with guns long before our country was founded...
1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.
Whether they intended or not the basic thought behind it is to protect people,
and allow them to protect themselves.
Murder/ killing is illegal, protecting oneself is not ...
don't confuse the two. One is legal one is not.
aren't a bunch of redneck's making guns on the discovery channel? http://youtu.be/NWm3gXUMB5w
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i've watched sons of guns while @ a buddy's house & i can't stand the guy or anyone in his machine shop. all are fucked in the head gunlovers. i bet Will sleeps with his guns he loves them soo much. frickin weirdos
Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!
the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P
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unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.
Seems like very similar laws are in place.
Is this a generalization of all rifle owners or just some?
Do you call a rifle in the house an addiction?
How many rifles make an addiction to you?
Does it make a difference that they are used for sport?
right but, the only person you're slowly killing when smoking is yourself, you can't kill a bunch of people in a matter of min's by smoking.. also their are no smoking commercials that have been endorsed by the government and smoking advertisement has been heavily regulated in the past 20 years.
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Bowchicka-pow-pow!
yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.
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I love you forever and forever
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I've never ever heard that used as a euphemism for 'that' before.. American maybe
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now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action!
Totally disagree with your statement for the gun owner does it effect the gun opponents
though is the question? make them biased?
I personally have no bias towards gun owners or non gun owners.
I believe in a person's basic right to protect life and property.
And I respect those who choose to not do so with a gun
and those who do as long as it is legally and responsibly.
I do not believe in taking the right to choose away from people.
Second... as mentioned in a previous post, one can buy a firearm (excluding handguns) from an unlicensed vendor (eg the internet) at whatever age WITHOUT parent's permission. Doesn't even have to be a kid with 'intention'. Could just be a kid wanting to brag a bit to his friends ('hey guys.. look what I've got) and boom! Accident.
the rest of your post (shown above) had nothing to do with the statement about cigarettes. it is very much in context. I was not misrepresenting anything. you are just backtracking on what you said now.
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I love you forever and forever
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ok, so you just stated again what I thought. You think cigarettes are a bigger problem than guns.
to my knowledge, when I was a smoker,I never killed anyone with one.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.
Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?
Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.
unbelievable.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
'the right to bear arms' - gun nuts get crazy with this and they think because of this guns are fair .. the founding fathers wrote this they didn't intend this amendment to be twisted like this to the point where people are killing eachother.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
Looks like i'll need to file for concealed carry after all. :P
Not saying that all sites are like that, but wow... This one was on the 5th page of my google search.
I'll agree with Zoso -- Compared to the rest of the world, it is my opinion that the USA is obsessed with guns. I know this is a generalization, but that just what I see...88 out of a 100 people own one? I'd say that's an obsession, and an unhealthy one at that.
You guys are killing me!
i'm just trying to not go off half-cocked :problem:
Why are you assuming a teen who purchased a rifle for sport with his parents permission legally
is going to kill someone? Either as a teen or 50 years later? Odds certainly don't show us that
but...
not knowing your age, if you started smoking as a teen and you were still a smoker now
you would be experiencing signs of a shortened life span by now...
another 15-20 years you could and very well would be, dying.
This is the common sense that tells me that cigs are more dangerous than guns.
Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!
1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.
Whether they intended or not the basic thought behind it is to protect people,
and allow them to protect themselves.
Murder/ killing is illegal, protecting oneself is not ...
don't confuse the two. One is legal one is not.
http://youtu.be/NWm3gXUMB5w
triple barrel m-16
i've watched sons of guns while @ a buddy's house & i can't stand the guy or anyone in his machine shop. all are fucked in the head gunlovers. i bet Will sleeps with his guns he loves them soo much. frickin weirdos
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I am tired; my heart is
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the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce