Also, as far as big cities with high crime like DC, I saw this:
Many criminologists say cultural, economic and demographic factors play a big role in murder rates, and some say the number of guns and the number of murders may well be uncorrelated.
Guys... I fancy discussing this type of thing rationally. I started a thread about the root causes of crime - not much in the first post - just inviting people to join me in a discussion. So please do, if you wish... Just do it anyway so I don't look like I don't have any friends who can be rational!
It has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion. There are many people on this forum that share your opinion.
And no...I'm not really a therapist. I just play one on the internet. as an Internet therapist it's my role to give honest feedback, not coddle feelings.
Well you are making this about me so perhaps the mods will see that...
for me to reply to this insulting behavior would be off topic but you know that...
can you use your wisdom on topic? Or just to put down another poster... you can ignore and not engage also.
I didn't put you down Pandora. I made an objective comment based on my observations about the dynamics on this thread. I'm sorry if you find those observations hurtful, but if you identify with them it might be helpful to explore that further. If you do t identify with them, dismiss them as not pertinent to you. This thread is filled with posts about my knowledge on the topic and my ability to resist responding to condescending comments.
So your comments were not directed to me personally?
Really is this what you are saying?
Oh I am very sorry then that I took those insults to heart, my mistake.
It's just the same term was used towards me earlier in the thread from a different poster
is all ...
I'm sure you can understand my mistake.
I know honesty is very important in your line of work so of course I will take
your word here.
Also like I said very much against posting guidelines to make personal comments ...
for whatever reason.
Awesome.
Am I on mute? Am i being ignored?
Hello? Hello?
Ignored? Yes?
I hope so... YAY!!!
...
Now... back to reasoned debate about the gun issue and the difficulties of maintaining Constitutional rights and public safety.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
..what debate,win or loose?is this the problem in the thread??who is "better" or post links better than others?
people loosing their lifes from fuckin guns..
as i said in the thread earlier,thursday ,tomorrow we have shooting training at work..
3 hours training lessons that i heard hundrends time before but still important for safety..
ill shoot with 3 different guns,f/n,G3A4 and pistol,45 probably...
im pretty sure alot of people that support guns will shit their pants only from the sound of this guns when fire..
if u hear the sound,then tell me ,when u shoot your 20 bullets round in 2-3 seconds..
dont have to mention if u see blood after the sound...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
..what debate,win or loose?is this the problem in the thread??who is "better" or post links better than others?
people loosing their lifes from fuckin guns..
as i said in the thread earlier,thursday ,tomorrow we have shooting training at work..
3 hours training lessons that i heard hundrends time before but still important for safety..
ill shoot with 3 different guns,f/n,G3A4 and pistol,45 probably...
im pretty sure alot of people that support guns will shit their pants only from the sound of this guns when fire..
if u hear the sound,then tell me ,when u shoot your 20 bullets round in 2-3 seconds..
dont mention if u see blood after the sound...
it was joke D
and I got in trouble for histrionics so look out
can't be passionate especally if you are of the opposite opinion :fp:
Also, as far as big cities with high crime like DC, I saw this:
Many criminologists say cultural, economic and demographic factors play a big role in murder rates, and some say the number of guns and the number of murders may well be uncorrelated.
Guys... I fancy discussing this type of thing rationally. I started a thread about the root causes of crime - not much in the first post - just inviting people to join me in a discussion. So please do, if you wish... Just do it anyway so I don't look like I don't have any friends who can be rational!
...
I believe for the most part, this has been a reasonable discussion. There have been some solid points made on both sides. This is not a simple problem to address.
But, I also believe that this specific thread has pretty much run it's course.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
..what debate,win or loose?is this the problem in the thread??who is "better" or post links better than others?
people loosing their lifes from fuckin guns..
as i said in the thread earlier,thursday ,tomorrow we have shooting training at work..
3 hours training lessons that i heard hundrends time before but still important for safety..
ill shoot with 3 different guns,f/n,G3A4 and pistol,45 probably...
im pretty sure alot of people that support guns will shit their pants only from the sound of this guns when fire..
if u hear the sound,then tell me ,when u shoot your 20 bullets round in 2-3 seconds..
dont mention if u see blood after the sound...
it was joke D
and I got in trouble for histrionics so look out
can't be passionate especally if you are of the opposite opinion :fp:
really...i wish i could take a video tomorrow...
but they dont let ,cos of classified issues..
i can just clik once and open someones head 500 metres away....
just becouse i can...its really scary Pandora...this shit is bad..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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..what debate,win or loose?is this the problem in the thread??who is "better" or post links better than others?
people loosing their lifes from fuckin guns..
as i said in the thread earlier,thursday ,tomorrow we have shooting training at work..
3 hours training lessons that i heard hundrends time before but still important for safety..
ill shoot with 3 different guns,f/n,G3A4 and pistol,45 probably...
im pretty sure alot of people that support guns will shit their pants only from the sound of this guns when fire..
if u hear the sound,then tell me ,when u shoot your 20 bullets round in 2-3 seconds..
dont mention if u see blood after the sound...
it was joke D
and I got in trouble for histrionics so look out
can't be passionate especally if you are of the opposite opinion :fp:
really...i wish i could take a video tomorrow...
but they dont let ,cos of classified issues..
i can just clik once and open someones head 500 metres away....
just becouse i can...its really scary Pandora...this shit is bad..
We won't agree on much but I agree that is bad, wish there was no such thing as guns or bombs
there are though...
this the reason why people must have the right to the same weapons as the govt,
the military, the police and most especially the criminals, in my opinion.
pandora, what about the well regulated militia vs the free for all on weanpon ownership that we have now? any thoughts on that?
how about if you own a gun, you have to join a militia to defend your state? and if you don't you go to jail. that would get people who own guns illegally off of the streets...
I just found this in all the mess ...
regulated militia can you explain more?
is this to battle everyday crime against our citizens then?
extra law enforcement?
for those who own guns for protection ...they are then further trained?
like the concealed weapon folk?
as i said in the thread earlier,thursday ,tomorrow we have shooting training at work..
3 hours training lessons that i heard hundrends time before but still important for safety..
ill shoot with 3 different guns,f/n,G3A4 and pistol,45 probably...
im pretty sure alot of people that support guns will shit their pants only from the sound of this guns when fire..
if u hear the sound,then tell me ,when u shoot your 20 bullets round in 2-3 seconds..
dont have to mention if u see blood after the sound...
...
Earlier in my career, I worked on the C-130 Spectre Gunship. We were sent to the China Lake Naval Weapons Center to see the effects of the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon on the structural integrity of the airframe. You don't just bolt these things to the floor because they will peel them back. I was working on the underlining structural supports, beneath the floor, that attach to the airframe.
Anyway, we got to see a couple of live firing of the guns. Pretty spectacular.
...
How it relates to this thread. I don't want fucking average Joes owning this thing. I want our military to own it. If you had seen how it obliterated that truck and armored personal carrier on the firing range... the thing is a clear definition of destruction.
I know, an extreme example and people just don't buy M61s... but, even something like an AR-15 is a dangerour weapon with a potential of inflicting a lot of human destruction. There is a military classification of weapon that I believe, should not be made avaiable to the public at large. If you want to fire a .50 cal or an M-16 on full auto... you can join the fucking Army and do so. But, when you are out, the best you can get is a hunting rifle.
You can still protect your home and property with a gun. you don't really need an AR-15 to do so.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Well you are making this about me so perhaps the mods will see that...
for me to reply to this insulting behavior would be off topic but you know that...
can you use your wisdom on topic? Or just to put down another poster... you can ignore and not engage also.
I didn't put you down Pandora. I made an objective comment based on my observations about the dynamics on this thread. I'm sorry if you find those observations hurtful, but if you identify with them it might be helpful to explore that further. If you do t identify with them, dismiss them as not pertinent to you. This thread is filled with posts about my knowledge on the topic and my ability to resist responding to condescending comments.
So your comments were not directed to me personally?
Really is this what you are saying?
Oh I am very sorry then that I took those insults to heart, my mistake.
It's just the same term was used towards me earlier in the thread from a different poster
is all ...
I'm sure you can understand my mistake.
I know honesty is very important in your line of work so of course I will take
your word here.
Also like I said very much against posting guidelines to make personal comments ...
for whatever reason.
It has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion. There are many people on this forum that share your opinion.
I didn't put you down Pandora. I made an objective comment based on my observations about the dynamics on this thread. I'm sorry if you find those observations hurtful, but if you identify with them it might be helpful to explore that further. If you don't identify with them, dismiss them as not pertinent to you. This thread is filled with posts about my knowledge on the topic and my ability to resist responding to condescending comments.
And I never accepted you on my caseload as a client, so let's please not make that mistake. We are posting on an online forum having a political discussion.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
quote="comebackgirl"]
It has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion. There are many people on this forum that share your opinion.
I didn't put you down Pandora. I made an objective comment based on my observations about the dynamics on this thread. I'm sorry if you find those observations hurtful, but if you identify with them it might be helpful to explore that further. If you don't identify with them, dismiss them as not pertinent to you. This thread is filled with posts about my knowledge on the topic and my ability to resist responding to condescending comments.[/b
And I never accepted you on my caseload as a client, so let's please not make that mistake. We are posting on an online forum having a political discussion.
So your comments were not directed to me personally?
Really is this what you are saying?
Oh I am very sorry then that I took those insults to heart, my mistake.
It's just the same term was used towards me earlier in the thread from a different poster
is all ...
I'm sure you can understand my mistake.
I know honesty is very important in your line of work so of course I will take
your word here.
Also like I said very much against posting guidelines to make personal comments ...
for whatever reason.
I have never needed help but thank you
and I accept your version of the story...
all forgiven
as i said in the thread earlier,thursday ,tomorrow we have shooting training at work..
3 hours training lessons that i heard hundrends time before but still important for safety..
ill shoot with 3 different guns,f/n,G3A4 and pistol,45 probably...
im pretty sure alot of people that support guns will shit their pants only from the sound of this guns when fire..
if u hear the sound,then tell me ,when u shoot your 20 bullets round in 2-3 seconds..
dont have to mention if u see blood after the sound...
...
Earlier in my career, I worked on the C-130 Spectre Gunship. We were sent to the China Lake Naval Weapons Center to see the effects of the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon on the structural integrity of the airframe. You don't just bolt these things to the floor because they will peel them back. I was working on the underlining structural supports, beneath the floor, that attach to the airframe.
Anyway, we got to see a couple of live firing of the guns. Pretty spectacular.
...
How it relates to this thread. I don't want fucking average Joes owning this thing. I want our military to own it. If you had seen how it obliterated that truck and armored personal carrier on the firing range... the thing is a clear definition of destruction.
I know, an extreme example and people just don't buy M61s... but, even something like an AR-15 is a dangerour weapon with a potential of inflicting a lot of human destruction. There is a military classification of weapon that I believe, should not be made avaiable to the public at large. If you want to fire a .50 cal or an M-16 on full auto... you can join the fucking Army and do so. But, when you are out, the best you can get is a hunting rifle.
You can still protect your home and property with a gun. you don't really need an AR-15 to do so.
you are so right...F/N ill shoot tomorrow,is our version of M-16..
and yes military must own this..
the most crazy-scary shit i ever saw,and was once,was when i was in a team selected to see bobming field..
we was on a hill,and have binoculars and watch F-16 bombing targets on the ground..
you can have heart attack only from the fuckin sound..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
quote="comebackgirl"]
It has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion. There are many people on this forum that share your opinion.
I didn't put you down Pandora. I made an objective comment based on my observations about the dynamics on this thread. I'm sorry if you find those observations hurtful, but if you identify with them it might be helpful to explore that further. If you don't identify with them, dismiss them as not pertinent to you. This thread is filled with posts about my knowledge on the topic and my ability to resist responding to condescending comments.[/b
And I never accepted you on my caseload as a client, so let's please not make that mistake. We are posting on an online forum having a political discussion.
So your comments were not directed to me personally?
Really is this what you are saying?
Oh I am very sorry then that I took those insults to heart, my mistake.
It's just the same term was used towards me earlier in the thread from a different poster
is all ...
I'm sure you can understand my mistake.
I know honesty is very important in your line of work so of course I will take
your word here.
Also like I said very much against posting guidelines to make personal comments ...
for whatever reason.
I have never needed help but thank you
and I accept your version of the story...
all forgiven
That's good. So there will be no need to engage with me as if I'm your therapist then. You don't need to accept what I have to say and you don't need to extend your forgiveness. Take in any information (if any) that you think applies to you and discard the rest.
I look forward to continuing the conversation about crime/guns/mental illness with posters who share my opinion as well as those who offer differing points of views.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
you are so right...F/N ill shoot tomorrow,is our version of M-16..
and yes military must own this..
the most crazy-scary shit i ever saw,and was once,was when i was in a team selected to see bobming field..
we was on a hill,and have binoculars and watch F-16 bombing targets on the ground..
you can have heart attack only from the fuckin sound..
...
That's my point. I believe in the Constitution of my country and that includes the Second Amendment. But, I don't believe the Second Amendment gives you the right to arm yourself with an arsenal of military type assault rifles.
I mean, who are you going to have to fend off with that kind of firepower? The Police? The military?
If you are planning on having the military or the police storming your house, you are most likely the problem... right? You can easily fend off an intruder with a 9mm pistol. Unless there is an army of intruders storing your gates, you don't need 2,000 rounds of ammo.
...
Well, except in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
pro-gun folks last grasp in this debate is usually "it's in the constitution!". well, a constitutional amendment can be repealed. so while it currently is a right, it wasn't always and doesn't always have to be.
I'm not saying that's the route to go, I'm just saying that stating as part of your case that "it's my right" doesn't hold any water. Currently, I'm allowed to go 50 km/hr on Main Street. they could change that at any time with a council vote. it's a constitutional right, not a human right.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
That's my point. I believe in the Constitution of my country and that includes the Second Amendment. But, I don't believe the Second Amendment gives you the right to arm yourself with an arsenal of military type assault rifles.
If only they could have foreseen how firearms would develop when they drafted this amendement - they may have been a bit more precise in the wording of it!
That's my point. I believe in the Constitution of my country and that includes the Second Amendment. But, I don't believe the Second Amendment gives you the right to arm yourself with an arsenal of military type assault rifles.
If only they could have foreseen how firearms would develop when they drafted this amendement - they may have been a bit more precise in the wording of it!
That's my point. I believe in the Constitution of my country and that includes the Second Amendment. But, I don't believe the Second Amendment gives you the right to arm yourself with an arsenal of military type assault rifles.
If only they could have foreseen how firearms would develop when they drafted this amendement - they may have been a bit more precise in the wording of it!
all laws can and have been updated to fit the current social climate. this should be no different. but of course any politician suggesting so would be commiting career suicide. americans love their guns! even in Canada the gun registry was a major hot topic, and it eventually got shelved. Never understood the big deal.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
pro-gun folks last grasp in this debate is usually "it's in the constitution!". well, a constitutional amendment can be repealed. so while it currently is a right, it wasn't always and doesn't always have to be. .
Or amended - First Amendment with regards to free speech. This has certainly changed as society and thefore it's requirements, changed.
That's my point. I believe in the Constitution of my country and that includes the Second Amendment. But, I don't believe the Second Amendment gives you the right to arm yourself with an arsenal of military type assault rifles.
If only they could have foreseen how firearms would develop when they drafted this amendement - they may have been a bit more precise in the wording of it!
but of course any politician suggesting so would be commiting career suicide. .
Shock, sadness, condoleances when tragedies such as this one and the Sikh Temple shooting happens. Then nothing. Too risky. Then next shooting... going in circles - no balls. Whichever political 'side'.
Comments
I don't think I have heard your views at all???
Guys... I fancy discussing this type of thing rationally. I started a thread about the root causes of crime - not much in the first post - just inviting people to join me in a discussion. So please do, if you wish... Just do it anyway so I don't look like I don't have any friends who can be rational!
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=193909
I seen this movie before... I know exactly how it's going to end.
Hail, Hail!!!
Please... ignore me.
...
You're welcome.
Hail, Hail!!!
Really is this what you are saying?
Oh I am very sorry then that I took those insults to heart, my mistake.
It's just the same term was used towards me earlier in the thread from a different poster
is all ...
I'm sure you can understand my mistake.
I know honesty is very important in your line of work so of course I will take
your word here.
Also like I said very much against posting guidelines to make personal comments ...
for whatever reason.
deal
and maybe you can not send anything my way
deal deal
Am I on mute? Am i being ignored?
Hello? Hello?
Ignored? Yes?
I hope so... YAY!!!
...
Now... back to reasoned debate about the gun issue and the difficulties of maintaining Constitutional rights and public safety.
Hail, Hail!!!
people loosing their lifes from fuckin guns..
as i said in the thread earlier,thursday ,tomorrow we have shooting training at work..
3 hours training lessons that i heard hundrends time before but still important for safety..
ill shoot with 3 different guns,f/n,G3A4 and pistol,45 probably...
im pretty sure alot of people that support guns will shit their pants only from the sound of this guns when fire..
if u hear the sound,then tell me ,when u shoot your 20 bullets round in 2-3 seconds..
dont have to mention if u see blood after the sound...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
and I got in trouble for histrionics so look out
can't be passionate especally if you are of the opposite opinion :fp:
I believe for the most part, this has been a reasonable discussion. There have been some solid points made on both sides. This is not a simple problem to address.
But, I also believe that this specific thread has pretty much run it's course.
Hail, Hail!!!
but they dont let ,cos of classified issues..
i can just clik once and open someones head 500 metres away....
just becouse i can...its really scary Pandora...this shit is bad..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
B.
T.
I.
U.
L.
:fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
wish there was no such thing as guns or bombs
there are though...
this the reason why people must have the right to the same weapons as the govt,
the military, the police and most especially the criminals,
in my opinion.
regulated militia can you explain more?
is this to battle everyday crime against our citizens then?
extra law enforcement?
for those who own guns for protection ...they are then further trained?
like the concealed weapon folk?
how do the police fit into this?
I am for safer more responsible definitely
Earlier in my career, I worked on the C-130 Spectre Gunship. We were sent to the China Lake Naval Weapons Center to see the effects of the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon on the structural integrity of the airframe. You don't just bolt these things to the floor because they will peel them back. I was working on the underlining structural supports, beneath the floor, that attach to the airframe.
Anyway, we got to see a couple of live firing of the guns. Pretty spectacular.
...
How it relates to this thread. I don't want fucking average Joes owning this thing. I want our military to own it. If you had seen how it obliterated that truck and armored personal carrier on the firing range... the thing is a clear definition of destruction.
I know, an extreme example and people just don't buy M61s... but, even something like an AR-15 is a dangerour weapon with a potential of inflicting a lot of human destruction. There is a military classification of weapon that I believe, should not be made avaiable to the public at large. If you want to fire a .50 cal or an M-16 on full auto... you can join the fucking Army and do so. But, when you are out, the best you can get is a hunting rifle.
You can still protect your home and property with a gun. you don't really need an AR-15 to do so.
Hail, Hail!!!
It has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion. There are many people on this forum that share your opinion.
I didn't put you down Pandora. I made an objective comment based on my observations about the dynamics on this thread. I'm sorry if you find those observations hurtful, but if you identify with them it might be helpful to explore that further. If you don't identify with them, dismiss them as not pertinent to you. This thread is filled with posts about my knowledge on the topic and my ability to resist responding to condescending comments.
And I never accepted you on my caseload as a client, so let's please not make that mistake. We are posting on an online forum having a political discussion.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
So your comments were not directed to me personally?
Really is this what you are saying?
Oh I am very sorry then that I took those insults to heart, my mistake.
It's just the same term was used towards me earlier in the thread from a different poster
is all ...
I'm sure you can understand my mistake.
I know honesty is very important in your line of work so of course I will take
your word here.
Also like I said very much against posting guidelines to make personal comments ...
for whatever reason.
I have never needed help but thank you
and I accept your version of the story...
all forgiven
and yes military must own this..
the most crazy-scary shit i ever saw,and was once,was when i was in a team selected to see bobming field..
we was on a hill,and have binoculars and watch F-16 bombing targets on the ground..
you can have heart attack only from the fuckin sound..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I look forward to continuing the conversation about crime/guns/mental illness with posters who share my opinion as well as those who offer differing points of views.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
That's my point. I believe in the Constitution of my country and that includes the Second Amendment. But, I don't believe the Second Amendment gives you the right to arm yourself with an arsenal of military type assault rifles.
I mean, who are you going to have to fend off with that kind of firepower? The Police? The military?
If you are planning on having the military or the police storming your house, you are most likely the problem... right? You can easily fend off an intruder with a 9mm pistol. Unless there is an army of intruders storing your gates, you don't need 2,000 rounds of ammo.
...
Well, except in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse.
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm not saying that's the route to go, I'm just saying that stating as part of your case that "it's my right" doesn't hold any water. Currently, I'm allowed to go 50 km/hr on Main Street. they could change that at any time with a council vote. it's a constitutional right, not a human right.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
If only they could have foreseen how firearms would develop when they drafted this amendement - they may have been a bit more precise in the wording of it!
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=192967&p=4529079&hilit=jefferson#p4529079
all laws can and have been updated to fit the current social climate. this should be no different. but of course any politician suggesting so would be commiting career suicide. americans love their guns! even in Canada the gun registry was a major hot topic, and it eventually got shelved. Never understood the big deal.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Or amended - First Amendment with regards to free speech. This has certainly changed as society and thefore it's requirements, changed.