You would have poor Miss Ruby dead at the hands of two strong young men
because someone behaves irresponsibly? Why? Why should she lose her life
because of someone else's horrible and foolish mistake?
I thought you admonished others for making what-if statements in this thread. you presume time and again that ruby would have died. you don't know that anymore than anyone else does.
...
Miss Ruby has become the Snooki of this thread. Her 15 minutes were over about a week ago.
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I believe one has the right to save their own life when their life is threatened.
Do you?
I have no issue with someone having a gun in their HOUSE for their protection. this does not affect me in the least. I have an issue with the lax gun laws that allow ANY human, good guy or bad guy, to be able to get guns, as many guns as they want, at any calibre they want, and go unnoticed.
Yes, I have stated I do not like guns. I think in a perfect world there would be no guns. Guns make absolutely no sense to me. It's another retarded human invention. Like anything that is built for the sole purpose of harming another human for personal gain. If someone wants to shoot themself or their loved ones in the privacy of their own home, by all means, go nuts. But don't bring your gun where I might be or my children might be and put me in potentially harm's way.
if someone were to open fire on me and my kids in a mall or a movie theatre, there is ZERO chance that some vigilante packing heat getting coffee would save the day.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
As said many times before, opinions are absolutely fine but please do not present them as non-biaised and facts.
And yes... anyone can wiki stuff, but where does that come in with my links? My stats come from 'the horse's mouth'. I haven't posted anything from Wiki - or are you getting me confused with someone else again? I seem to remember you like to use Wiki.
When my links were not neutral, I have stated it, when they were valid, I have also stated it. As it should be.
And when it comes to stats and studies - of course one manipulates data. That's why it is known that one needs to look at the source data and not 'reported' data. Therefore validity of sources is important if one is to quote those kind of things. Unless, obviously, one presents these 'reported' studies or blogs or columns as opinions, which they are. Then they are read as such. Analysis and critical thinking. No problems there.
So... where does this last 'thought' come from? Maybe we could have a link so we can get the whole picture?
The land of the free.... yes.... of course. Kid yourself.
From the one you dismissed you didn't read it did you? caught ya!
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I read the article... it said this:
"It is entirely likely that some of the increase in the past five years has stemmed from an increased confidence among criminals that ordinary citizens almost certainly have no guns in their homes.
But it is unlikely the handgun ban accounts for all or even most of the increase. France has had a similar upward spike in robberies over the past five years without banning guns. France, too, now has a violent crime rate at or above the Americans', with the exception of murder. "
Why I called it unbiased ...
but that was dismissed also because somebody wouldn't read an article
from an opposite opinion :fp:
I thought it was a pretty good one for everybody ...
Ok so you asked for the link but you had it already commented on it and dismissed it ...
who's on first :?
oh rubbish?
really why cause it doesn't agree with your opinion?
Is that good debate form?
If someone did that to your contributions would you consider that characteristic of a narrow mind?
Not listening to the other opinions?
No.... the post was discussing sources. When one quotes, one sources.
Rubbish because incorrect, non referenced facts. I gave the facts - compare the two. Then debate. But I think your meaning of debate is not the same as most here.
Narrow mind.. ooOOoo... I do admire your way of twisting things
OK... enough of this. I (and others) have explained in so many ways the difference between facts and presenting opinion as facts. Until one understands that....
You would have poor Miss Ruby dead at the hands of two strong young men
because someone behaves irresponsibly? Why? Why should she lose her life
because of someone else's horrible and foolish mistake?
I thought you admonished others for making what-if statements in this thread. you presume time and again that ruby would have died. you don't know that anymore than anyone else does.
...
Miss Ruby has become the Snooki of this thread. Her 15 minutes were over about a week ago.
Hey I didn't mention her until others brought her back up...
I'm probably wrong about things seeing as how I just discovered the long lost 11th commandment. It reads - Thou Shall Not Take Any Shit Off Anyone Lest Though Whip Out Thine AR-15 And Smoke Some Fools
I'm probably wrong about things seeing as how I just discovered the long lost 11th commandment. It reads - Thou Shall Not Take Any Shit Off Anyone Lest Though Whip Out Thine AR-15 And Smoke Some Fools
We need guns to protect life
guns to take lives,
guns save lives.
the contradiction here is staggering.
You know what? I keep hearing all this more guns will help bonanza insanity, and It occurred to me suddenly why I am interested in this topic. As much as I think we could prevent certain gun mishaps, I also think at the root of the problem is that the first instant people feel uneasy, they arm themselves to the teeth. I was there once myself. I contemplated for years about getting a gun. I've lived in terrible places and been robbed with guns. But im alive and well and I feel much better knowing I didnt give into that American way. In the times i've been threatened, a gun wouldve never been useful as I never wouldve had an opportunity to use it without creating a disaster. It might have given me a piece of mind to sleep at night, but that's it really. I had friends offer me guns for free on several occasions. It was a tough decision, but I feel much better without it now.
Also, as far as big cities with high crime like DC, I saw this:
Many criminologists say cultural, economic and demographic factors play a big role in murder rates, and some say the number of guns and the number of murders may well be uncorrelated.
Actually (and sadly)... Norm, this is probably more constructive.
It's an odd situation, when the brick wall has a better understanding of what you are saying.
it is sad...paranoia and fear are a toxic combination
Add some histrionics and narcissism and it's an even more potent mix
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Ok so you asked for the link but you had it already commented on it and dismissed it ...
who's on first :?
oh rubbish?
really why cause it doesn't agree with your opinion?
Is that good debate form?
If someone did that to your contributions would you consider that characteristic of a narrow mind?
Not listening to the other opinions?
No.... the post was discussing sources. When one quotes, one sources.
Rubbish because incorrect, non referenced facts. I gave the facts - compare the two. Then debate. But I think your meaning of debate is not the same as most here.
Narrow mind.. ooOOoo... I do admire your way of twisting things
OK... enough of this. I (and others) have explained in so many ways the difference between facts and presenting opinion as facts. Until one understands that....
There are many here who present no facts just opinions why confront me alone?
but that was dismissed also because somebody wouldn't read an article
from an opposite opinion :fp: ..
Because 'somebody' who is used to this kind of thing and knew of the 'real' study stated that what was presented as fact was actually opinion does not stop ANYONE here from reading the article, maybe even checking the link in 'somebody's' response to 'justify' the comments and FORGE THEIR OWN OPINION.
Wow... you are actually stating that 'somebody' has such incredible influence on all... amazing.
In the times i've been threatened, a gun wouldve never been useful as I never wouldve had an opportunity to use it without creating a disaster.
you are right. most police officers KNOW that if two people were to get robbed or mugged or whatever, one pulled a gun on the thief and one didn't, who would be alive to tell the story?
guy #2. guns often exaserbate the death count. FACT.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Actually (and sadly)... Norm, this is probably more constructive.
It's an odd situation, when the brick wall has a better understanding of what you are saying.
it is sad...paranoia and fear are a toxic combination
Add some histrionics and narcissism and it's an even more potent mix
This because I am of a different opinion?
Are you really a therapist cause that was incredibly insensitive?
:shock:
Also, as far as big cities with high crime like DC, I saw this:
Many criminologists say cultural, economic and demographic factors play a big role in murder rates, and some say the number of guns and the number of murders may well be uncorrelated.
I would think so too and it seems such an obvious thing, though only studies would confirm and I am sure there are some very solid ones around. Root causes of gun crime has been mentioned several times in this thread and it would be interesting to look into it. But it seems the thread always went back to the 89 year old granny....
it is sad...paranoia and fear are a toxic combination
Add some histrionics and narcissism and it's an even more potent mix
This because I am of a different opinion?
Are you really a therapist cause that was incredibly insensitive?
:shock:
It has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion. There are many people on this forum that share your opinion.
And no...I'm not really a therapist. I just play one on the internet. as an Internet therapist it's my role to give honest feedback, not coddle feelings.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
And no...I'm not really a therapist. I just play one on the internet. as an Internet therapist it's my role to give honest feedback, not coddle feelings.
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Miss Ruby has become the Snooki of this thread. Her 15 minutes were over about a week ago.
Hail, Hail!!!
I have no issue with someone having a gun in their HOUSE for their protection. this does not affect me in the least. I have an issue with the lax gun laws that allow ANY human, good guy or bad guy, to be able to get guns, as many guns as they want, at any calibre they want, and go unnoticed.
Yes, I have stated I do not like guns. I think in a perfect world there would be no guns. Guns make absolutely no sense to me. It's another retarded human invention. Like anything that is built for the sole purpose of harming another human for personal gain. If someone wants to shoot themself or their loved ones in the privacy of their own home, by all means, go nuts. But don't bring your gun where I might be or my children might be and put me in potentially harm's way.
if someone were to open fire on me and my kids in a mall or a movie theatre, there is ZERO chance that some vigilante packing heat getting coffee would save the day.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
but that was dismissed also because somebody wouldn't read an article
from an opposite opinion :fp:
I thought it was a pretty good one for everybody ...
No.... the post was discussing sources. When one quotes, one sources.
Rubbish because incorrect, non referenced facts. I gave the facts - compare the two. Then debate. But I think your meaning of debate is not the same as most here.
Narrow mind.. ooOOoo... I do admire your way of twisting things
OK... enough of this. I (and others) have explained in so many ways the difference between facts and presenting opinion as facts. Until one understands that....
wonder why they keep doing that
:fp:
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I'm probably wrong about things seeing as how I just discovered the long lost 11th commandment. It reads - Thou Shall Not Take Any Shit Off Anyone Lest Though Whip Out Thine AR-15 And Smoke Some Fools
didn't hancock add that?
just wanted to post hancock
You know what? I keep hearing all this more guns will help bonanza insanity, and It occurred to me suddenly why I am interested in this topic. As much as I think we could prevent certain gun mishaps, I also think at the root of the problem is that the first instant people feel uneasy, they arm themselves to the teeth. I was there once myself. I contemplated for years about getting a gun. I've lived in terrible places and been robbed with guns. But im alive and well and I feel much better knowing I didnt give into that American way. In the times i've been threatened, a gun wouldve never been useful as I never wouldve had an opportunity to use it without creating a disaster. It might have given me a piece of mind to sleep at night, but that's it really. I had friends offer me guns for free on several occasions. It was a tough decision, but I feel much better without it now.
Also, as far as big cities with high crime like DC, I saw this:
Many criminologists say cultural, economic and demographic factors play a big role in murder rates, and some say the number of guns and the number of murders may well be uncorrelated.
when did you stop mentioning her????
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Add some histrionics and narcissism and it's an even more potent mix
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Hey everyone knows why it is sooo obvious
like transparent :fp:
i figured those into the paranoia since they go hand and hand
*quietly laughs*
Because 'somebody' who is used to this kind of thing and knew of the 'real' study stated that what was presented as fact was actually opinion does not stop ANYONE here from reading the article, maybe even checking the link in 'somebody's' response to 'justify' the comments and FORGE THEIR OWN OPINION.
Wow... you are actually stating that 'somebody' has such incredible influence on all... amazing.
you are right. most police officers KNOW that if two people were to get robbed or mugged or whatever, one pulled a gun on the thief and one didn't, who would be alive to tell the story?
guy #2. guns often exaserbate the death count. FACT.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I hope I'm the only one that hopes Miss Ruby chokes on a pretzel so we can finally shut the fuck up about her already.
Hail, Hail!!!
point one out.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
holy fuck!
Are you really a therapist cause that was incredibly insensitive?
:shock:
Don't put yourself on a pedestal.
Most here have presented opinion, as I have. Just not opinion presented as fact. Yet again... very different!
I would think so too and it seems such an obvious thing, though only studies would confirm and I am sure there are some very solid ones around. Root causes of gun crime has been mentioned several times in this thread and it would be interesting to look into it. But it seems the thread always went back to the 89 year old granny....
:nono:
guess I have to go back to saying after every couple lines
"in my opinion" :fp:
it was good advice...
actually it is a full time job for you to answer just my posts
why?
thanks but no thanks for the unwanted attention
And no...I'm not really a therapist. I just play one on the internet.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
and her trauma?
I have long since dropped Miss Ruby story I am in search of another...
Then again... Snakeduck - could use a couple more of your posts.
EDIT: SNAP! Dare I say 'great minds think alike' (not sure I really want to dwell in yours Snakeduck!)
*lays down on virtual couch
This isn't going to be pretty...
Blah-blah-blah..
Hail, Hail!!!