Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

EmBleve

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Oh but it matters very much to the patient. The patient needs someone that can make an accurate diagnosis, pick the appropriate treatment and administer it.

Yes the system is flailing. Absolutely. There is not enough funding, budgets are slashed, there's not enough trained clinicians and understandably many people don't want to enter the field. That needs to be fixed. Blaming the people who do the work and targeting them as being uncaring, unknowledgeable and suggesting they work for free because their incomes are too comfortable and they're not deserving of the occasional luxury is not helping the cause.

No that is what you worry about not the guy with the bomb
ready to take out hundreds...
he's not thinking about what or who only fix me.
But he has no way to get fixed.
I have a feeling people would figure out pretty quick what was wrong with him
if they had a chance.

So yes the system is failing the people, even with the millions spent
and not one positive suggestion here to add to my free Walk in Clinics
or my Bitch in Clinics as my lad suggested....

hmmm that really says a lot....

Lets just take guns away so much easier but solves nothing in our society
the wrong way drivers, bombers will be have another weapon of choice,
the illegal guns will still be available probably more so.


Address the real problem the person and why they are distraught,
what help do they need before they hurt themselves or others.

WHAT IS YOUR REALISTIC SOLUTION??

redrock

mickeyrat wrote:

you know wjhats crazy?



Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

No it's not.... you know... 'mental illness' and 'crime' go hand in hand. If we got rid of mental illness, we would get rid of crime/gun crime. Lax guns laws and extreme ease for anyone to get guns is not the problem - mental illness is.

:roll:

pandora

EmBleve wrote:

pandora wrote:

The emergency room will fix that leg even without insurance
but they will not help a person with mental issues
not until they hurt themselves or someone else.

Great analogy ...

and if they don't have insurance or medicaid, that person is going to get a bill for that treatment. And they will help persons with mental issues.. the issue with such persons is finding a bed somewhere. FIND A BED PANDORA. Find one.

The best is coming out in you I see...
this is the pack syndrome... google it

and no they won't help people with mental issues

Medicaid is unavailabe to most single young men in their 20's

wow how many years did you say ? :fp:

Cosmo

mickeyrat wrote:

you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?

EmBleve

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

No they want to see a doctor and get help .

Says who? You? As mentioned numerous times on this thread by professionals, a lot of people do not seek help because they don't want to. Don't see the necessity (the 'chin up, I'll be OK' factor) or don't want to because of all the stigma and everthing else attached to this.

But then, these ladies here, who's line of expertise this is, are just talking mumbo jumbo and don't really know what it's all about...

Wake up please and try to be open to those who actually 'know' (don't worry, I'm not including myself in this) and talk facts.

Thank you redrock.. You are always a source of logic in my opinion.. In my experience (with people who are severely mentally ill).. they would NEVER seek treatment...it was their family or their actions-through law enforcement- who got them there....they don't think they NEED treatment... I'm not talking about the substance abuser who wants to stop the cycle...I'm not talking about the depressed person who takes pills and calls a suicide hotline (these people are SEEKING help actively)..I'm talking about the psychotic, schizophrenic, delusionally ill person who thinks their thoughts are NORMAL (the kind of people I think Pandora is referring to insofar as mass shootings, etc., whatever)....those people do NOT regularly seek treatment BECAUSE THEY ARE DELUSIONAL.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Oh but it matters very much to the patient. The patient needs someone that can make an accurate diagnosis, pick the appropriate treatment and administer it.

Yes the system is flailing. Absolutely. There is not enough funding, budgets are slashed, there's not enough trained clinicians and understandably many people don't want to enter the field. That needs to be fixed. Blaming the people who do the work and targeting them as being uncaring, unknowledgeable and suggesting they work for free because their incomes are too comfortable and they're not deserving of the occasional luxury is not helping the cause.

No that is what you worry about not the guy with the bomb
ready to take out hundreds...
he's not thinking about what or who only fix me.
But he has no way to get fixed.
I have a feeling people would figure out pretty quick what was wrong with him
if they had a chance.

So yes the system is failing the people, even with the millions spent
and not one positive suggestion here to add to my free Walk in Clinics
or my Bitch in Clinics as my lad suggested....

hmmm that really says a lot....

Lets just take guns away so much easier but solves nothing in our society
the wrong way drivers, bombers will be have another weapon of choice,
the illegal guns will still be available probably more so.


Address the real problem the person and why they are distraught,
what help do they need before they hurt themselves or others.

Well if he's coming to me for treatment it damn well better matter to me. It's not as easy as you'd think pandora. It could be a psychotic disorder, a disossiative episode, psychosis caused by an organic issue or substance abuse. All requiring different treatments.

norm

Cosmo wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?

and chad for president

pandora

redrock wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

you know wjhats crazy?



Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

No it's not.... you know... 'mental illness' and 'crime' go hand in hand. If we got rid of mental illness, we would get rid of crime/gun crime. Lax guns laws and extreme ease for anyone to get guns is not the problem - mental illness is.

:roll:

Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime

I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent

Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.

redrock

comebackgirl wrote:

It could be a psychotic disorder, a disossiative episode, psychosis caused by an organic issue or substance abuse. All requiring different treatments.

All mumbo jumbo. I wouldn't care what you decided - just give me the pills... the pink and purple ones, please.

comebackgirl

mickeyrat wrote:

you know wjhats crazy?



Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Cosmo

norm wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?

and chad for president

...
Of COURSE! Silly me... apologies to candidate Chad.

mickeyrat

Cosmo wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?

oh yes.

I say we have a stickied thread on this forum related to unfounded opinion as facts.Wouldnt matter what the OP topic would be as we can see would take a life of its own.

At least that poor old lady Miss Ruby has beeen left alone.

What say you?

redrock

pandora wrote:

Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime

I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent

Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.

OK... I could use the crying with laughter emoticon, the facepalm one, the rolleyes or all three. No other response possible, really.

comebackgirl

Cosmo wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?

It goes with my shoes! Wait...am I still allowed to buy shoes? :?

EmBleve

pandora wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

pandora wrote:

The emergency room will fix that leg even without insurance
but they will not help a person with mental issues
not until they hurt themselves or someone else.

Great analogy ...

and if they don't have insurance or medicaid, that person is going to get a bill for that treatment. And they will help persons with mental issues.. the issue with such persons is finding a bed somewhere. FIND A BED PANDORA. Find one.

The best is coming out in you I see...
this is the pack syndrome... google it

and no they won't help people with mental issues

Medicaid is unavailabe to most single young men in their 20's

wow how many years did you say ? :fp:

um, no, it's not 'pack syndrome', but I think you mean 'crowd' syndrome, or the bystander effect---and, again, you are totally wrong. And I didn't need to google it. 8 years I said, and 8 years it is. And I think YOU should google it. And the best is coming out in me in terms of standing up for the people for whom I went to school to defend (the mentally ill).. not just get on a website and put other people down who are actually educated in same. And I say again... you never answered my question regarding a resolution.. and the best is coming out in you insofar as questioning someones' knowledge (not just mine, but others). Medicaid is unavailable to MOST adults who don't have children Pandora..do some research.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

you know wjhats crazy?



Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.

No it's not.... you know... 'mental illness' and 'crime' go hand in hand. If we got rid of mental illness, we would get rid of crime/gun crime. Lax guns laws and extreme ease for anyone to get guns is not the problem - mental illness is.

:roll:

U
Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime

I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent

Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.

yes - I can see it in the 3-5% in which it's a factor

pandora

EmBleve wrote:

and do you think that insurance, or any federally regulated institution, is going to grant treatment of these individuals based on anything other than this so-called 'mumbo jumbo'.. eat another mushroom.

who is rude?
insinuating I get high on mushrooms... :wtf:

never tried them just like you...

I'll take BJ's word for it though

Cosmo

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

It could be a psychotic disorder, a disossiative episode, psychosis caused by an organic issue or substance abuse. All requiring different treatments.

All mumbo jumbo. I wouldn't care what you decided - just give me the pills... the pink and purple ones, please.

...
Reading through some of the stuff in here is like getting a lobotomy.
...
HEY! I think i just may have solved the mental health issue in America!!! Make them read this thread.
...
then, have them comitted.

comebackgirl

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

It could be a psychotic disorder, a disossiative episode, psychosis caused by an organic issue or substance abuse. All requiring different treatments.

All mumbo jumbo. I wouldn't care what you decided - just give me the pills... the pink and purple ones, please.

I'm mixing them in with the carrot cake batter

EmBleve

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime

I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent

Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.

OK... I could use the crying with laughter emoticon, the facepalm one, the rolleyes or all three. No other response possible, really.

Really. Thank you.